Sony:Microsoft spends too much money on third party, not enough studios

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#201 SolidTy
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Sony is talky today. Is it like the annual Sony PR day?

ActicEdge

That seems to be the case, although people are reposting the same news and taking different quotes for their OP in their thread all over SW today.

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#202 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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That comparison doesn't work well.

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It works just fine since it uses the same logic.

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#203 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sony is talky today. Is it like the annual Sony PR day?

SolidTy

That seems to be the case, although people are reposting the same news and taking different quotes for their OP in their thread all over SW today.

Oh, that's in SW fashion lol. I just found it strange how there was so much Sony vs MS quotes all of a sudden. Makes sense. System Warriors love to make a big deal out of PR (granted so do I but . . . :P)

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#204 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sony is talky today. Is it like the annual Sony PR day?

ActicEdge

That seems to be the case, although people are reposting the same news and taking different quotes for their OP in their thread all over SW today.

Oh, that's in SW fashion lol. I just found it strange how there was so much Sony vs MS quotes all of a sudden. Makes sense. System Warriors love to make a big deal out of PR (granted so do I but . . . :P)

Yeah, that's how it goes! :P I forgot to put a smiley at the end of my last post, since it's typical SW fashion.:P

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#205 Doctor-McNinja
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Probably true, to be honest. While i dont think anyone really cares about exclusives in the real world, microsoft spend an awful lot of money securing them for a couple of months. What's the point?
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#206 mazniq
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If I wanted economic advice, I'd look to Microsoft. Not Sony. ;)

Javy03

Why you wanna learn how to make a RROD? You can't only Xbox360 can!

Anyways. Sony are cocky cus they know where they're coming from. PS3 launched terribly, it's still here. You can't proof a point .

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#207 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"] Right, you can't play a ps3 game withut the controller, and you cant play a 360 game without the power cord... sorry, but a PC game needs windows to play the games, and that is software by Microsoft, the only difference from PC to console is that the hardware is scattered throughout many different companies brands, but they all work to be used with an OS called "windows". The 360 is not microsoft hardware, its made by different companies too. The software allows them to brand it as the Xbox 360 even if it has different revisions of hardware. Same can be said for PC.TBoogy

You missed below so I'll repeat what Hazy said, Sony Vaio. There you go, move along.

Maybe he doesn't get it either. What are you saying? Vaio's still run Windows, mostly.

It's a Sony machine.

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#208 Modern_Unit
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[QUOTE="TBoogy"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] You missed below so I'll repeat what Hazy said, Sony Vaio. There you go, move along.

Chutebox

Maybe he doesn't get it either. What are you saying? Vaio's still run Windows, mostly.

It's a Sony machine.

So what OS does it run? Please include the company...

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#209 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="TBoogy"] Maybe he doesn't get it either. What are you saying? Vaio's still run Windows, mostly.Modern_Unit

It's a Sony machine.

So what OS does it run? Please include the company...

That's the point....
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#210 Hahadouken
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sony is talky today. Is it like the annual Sony PR day?

SolidTy

That seems to be the case, although people are reposting the same news and taking different quotes for their OP in their thread all over SW today.



Lol you noticed? :P

I've seen 2-3 threads today that reached 5 pages or more, from the same little snippet of Sony chatter.

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#211 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="TBoogy"] Maybe he doesn't get it either. What are you saying? Vaio's still run Windows, mostly.Modern_Unit

It's a Sony machine.

So what OS does it run? Please include the company...

OS ownage?

The SEGA Dreamcast ran on Window's CE...

I guess that wasn't a SEGA console after all.;)

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#212 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sony is talky today. Is it like the annual Sony PR day?

Hahadouken

That seems to be the case, although people are reposting the same news and taking different quotes for their OP in their thread all over SW today.



Lol you noticed? :P

I've seen 2-3 threads today that reached 5 pages or more, from the same little snippet of Sony chatter.

People love PR talk round these here parts...:P

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#213 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

That seems to be the case, although people are reposting the same news and taking different quotes for their OP in their thread all over SW today.

SolidTy

Oh, that's in SW fashion lol. I just found it strange how there was so much Sony vs MS quotes all of a sudden. Makes sense. System Warriors love to make a big deal out of PR (granted so do I but . . . :P)

Yeah, that's how it goes! :P I forgot to put a smiley at the end of my last post, since it's typical SW fashion.:P

Very true, I wonder though, there is like 5 threads. Are they all from the same big quote or smaller little comments. I don't really want to look myself.

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#214 88mphSlayer
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Microsoft has actually spent a lot of money on 1st party software this gen, the difference is they've been developing smaller projects with shorter dev time than the 3-5 year projects under Sony

besides that, Microsoft learned the a lesson from the success of Sony's PS1 and PS2 - 3rd parties make or break a console, the PS1 and PS2 both rode the waves of success because they had tons of 3rd party support

Microsoft did what they had to do to bring in 3rd parties and significantly reduce Sony's marketshare dominance, the fact that they're now on equal terms is still a success no matter how you look at it, Microsoft can always go on to make more exclusives... hell anybody can make an exclusive, and Microsoft has a lot of experience doing that anyhow, their only problem is that after the 360 became a success they've been letting studios go on to bigger and better turf and in the mean time didn't have anything HUGE to fill in the gap while they fund new teams and new projects, but they had that luxury since they weren't in last place so that was their call to make

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#215 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

It's a Sony machine.

SolidTy

So what OS does it run? Please include the company...

OS ownage?

The SEGA Dreamcast ran on Window's CE...

I guess that wasn't a SEGA console after all.;)

Man, I don't know what these people aren't getting.
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#216 Hickamie14
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I mostly agree with Sony on this one.

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#217 river_rat3117
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i agree with sont this time, and lets be honest sony needed those first party devs because in the begining no one wanted to touch the thing (as far as making games for it). man i really miss the "THIS is the last nail in the ps3 coffin bye bye sony" threads lol
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#218 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Well with rockstar, capcom and square enix titles coming over to the 360, I think Microsoft's strategy has worked. I'm sure that Sony is a little bitter they've lost theexlusivity on some of those third party games.

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#219 VendettaRed07
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I agree.

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#220 Rockman999
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Sony is talky today. Is it like the annual Sony PR day?

ActicEdge

Hmm something seems to be up, they're usually like that when they have something big coming...

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#221 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sony is talky today. Is it like the annual Sony PR day?

Rockman999

Hmm something seems to be up, they're usually like that when they have something big coming...

Sometimes also when they have nothing.

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#222 shinrabanshou
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From a business perspective, MS's strategy is working well enough.

From a gamer's perspective, I don't see how anyone would disagree that it would be of far more benefit to us if MS let third-parties be third-parties and made some more games of their own.

Also, seriously, are people still bemoaning "promises" Sony made in their marketing babble 3 and a half years ago? Really?

You're a consumer, not a jilted lover, jeez. It's time to move on. :|

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LOL...are you KIDDING? MS has been in the console business for two gens. and so far both times has remained second and close to third. Their first attempt was a horrible flop and put them BILLIONS in the whole from the beginning of that gen. to the end. The PS3 may be putting them in the hole currently but their profit margin gets better and better every year and if I recall correctly they made a profit last quarter. By the end of this gen. the 360 and PS3's fanbase will not be much different and I am sure that overall with DLC, software sales (where they make most of their profit), peripherals and hardware they will make a profit.

Sony however has dominated for two gens, and with "different priorities" they released their third console more expensively and gave up percentages of the gaming industry for ALL of the format industry so they can make money off of their, movies, Blu ray disks, HDTVs, surround sound systems and Blu ray players. Even though MS has tons of money and resources they can't make a splash in the gaming industry like Sony and Nintendo has. In the end Sony has seen great success while MS has seen great failure and currently are just coasting at second. If I was gonna get advice from any company in the industry it would be Sony.Stevo_the_gamer

Not sure what's funny, nor am I sure what I would be joking about. Yes, Microsoft's first attempt was an investment into the industry and therefore had quite the cost for them. But this generation, they've done well financially from nearly the start -- aside from the setback via the warranty. It took Microsoft less than a year to turn a profit on the Xbox 360, and Sony has yet to do this after many years. In terms of economics, the PS3 has been a disaster from the get-go. Things are looking up to them, as it should be this many years into the generation.

Pushing forward Blu-ray seems no different than what Sony has done in the past with all the formats they've supported and/or created. People expected Sony to come out and dominate the next round as well, no one expected -- or knew -- that Nintendo would sweep the floor with the Xbox 360 and PS3 this generation. Tis' was a shock to all, practically. Before Sony's E3 for 2006, the talk around SystemWars and the net was that Sony would dominate. That it was "inevitable", that the one year head start for the Xbox 360 was "meaningless" and won't save them from the "impending destruction." Cows were such a hoot back then. I admired their optimism. Though I have to admit, after E3 2006, they were quite the laughing stock -- even worse after the launch, and then the first year of practically no exclusives.

The PS3 has been a great success? The Xbox 360 has been a failure?

That's. Well, odd.

If I wanted economic advice, I'd look to Microsoft. Not Sony. ;)

What i find funny is how people spin this "investment" concept. So basically MS, a huge company can make a flop of a system that SWALLOWS BILLIONS of dollars and it's just considered an "investment"?? Why? Did Sega do this or Nintendo or Sony, no, no successful company in gaming has gone a whole gen. losing money to "establish" it's self. But somehow MS fans think that's how you do it. As I said, an "investment" is what the PS3 is. And no it's not like the PS2 because the technology in this system was a much larger investment which made the system a lot more expensive then the PS2. I am well aware of what people expected from the PS3 before the price point was announced. The PS2 is as high as a consoles can get, if the PS3 matched that or beat it there would be no other systems. I just find it funny how people can't see how Sony making a system 600 dollars and releasing a year later to get a format they have a bigger involvement with to be standard is not an investment but somehow MS losing BILLIONS just so people know the name Xbox is?? And I never said the PS3 is a great success or that the 360 is a failure. The Xbox is a failure and the 360 is a HUGE improvement but they can still learn A LOT about the gaming industry from Sony's success and people dismissing Sony's opinion because the PS3 is not the PS1 or PS2 is ridiculous, especially seeing as MS needs as much help as they can get.
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#224 Javy03
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i agree with sont this time, and lets be honest sony needed those first party devs because in the begining no one wanted to touch the thing (as far as making games for it). man i really miss the "THIS is the last nail in the ps3 coffin bye bye sony" threads lolriver_rat3117
That's not true. The problem in the beginning of PS3s cycle was that regardless of what Sony said, Next Gen DID start before the PS3 and games were in development without a PS3 dev kit so devs left it out of some big games for a couple years. Of course these same devs definitely didn't forget the PS3 when it came time to make a sequel or port the game a little later.
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

LOL...are you KIDDING? MS has been in the console business for two gens. and so far both times has remained second and close to third. Their first attempt was a horrible flop and put them BILLIONS in the whole from the beginning of that gen. to the end. The PS3 may be putting them in the hole currently but their profit margin gets better and better every year and if I recall correctly they made a profit last quarter. By the end of this gen. the 360 and PS3's fanbase will not be much different and I am sure that overall with DLC, software sales (where they make most of their profit), peripherals and hardware they will make a profit.

Sony however has dominated for two gens, and with "different priorities" they released their third console more expensively and gave up percentages of the gaming industry for ALL of the format industry so they can make money off of their, movies, Blu ray disks, HDTVs, surround sound systems and Blu ray players. Even though MS has tons of money and resources they can't make a splash in the gaming industry like Sony and Nintendo has. In the end Sony has seen great success while MS has seen great failure and currently are just coasting at second. If I was gonna get advice from any company in the industry it would be Sony.Javy03

Not sure what's funny, nor am I sure what I would be joking about. Yes, Microsoft's first attempt was an investment into the industry and therefore had quite the cost for them. But this generation, they've done well financially from nearly the start -- aside from the setback via the warranty. It took Microsoft less than a year to turn a profit on the Xbox 360, and Sony has yet to do this after many years. In terms of economics, the PS3 has been a disaster from the get-go. Things are looking up to them, as it should be this many years into the generation.

Pushing forward Blu-ray seems no different than what Sony has done in the past with all the formats they've supported and/or created. People expected Sony to come out and dominate the next round as well, no one expected -- or knew -- that Nintendo would sweep the floor with the Xbox 360 and PS3 this generation. Tis' was a shock to all, practically. Before Sony's E3 for 2006, the talk around SystemWars and the net was that Sony would dominate. That it was "inevitable", that the one year head start for the Xbox 360 was "meaningless" and won't save them from the "impending destruction." Cows were such a hoot back then. I admired their optimism. Though I have to admit, after E3 2006, they were quite the laughing stock -- even worse after the launch, and then the first year of practically no exclusives.

The PS3 has been a great success? The Xbox 360 has been a failure?

That's. Well, odd.

If I wanted economic advice, I'd look to Microsoft. Not Sony. ;)

What i find funny is how people spin this "investment" concept. So basically MS, a huge company can make a flop of a system that SWALLOWS BILLIONS of dollars and it's just considered an "investment"?? Why? Did Sega do this or Nintendo or Sony, no, no successful company in gaming has gone a whole gen. losing money to "establish" it's self. But somehow MS fans think that's how you do it. As I said, an "investment" is what the PS3 is. And no it's not like the PS2 because the technology in this system was a much larger investment which made the system a lot more expensive then the PS2. I am well aware of what people expected from the PS3 before the price point was announced. The PS2 is as high as a consoles can get, if the PS3 matched that or beat it there would be no other systems. I just find it funny how people can't see how Sony making a system 600 dollars and releasing a year later to get a format they have a bigger involvement with to be standard is not an investment but somehow MS losing BILLIONS just so people know the name Xbox is?? And I never said the PS3 is a great success or that the 360 is a failure. The Xbox is a failure and the 360 is a HUGE improvement but they can still learn A LOT about the gaming industry from Sony's success and people dismissing Sony's opinion because the PS3 is not the PS1 or PS2 is ridiculous, especially seeing as MS needs as much help as they can get.

Entering the console wars comes at a huge cost to everyone, especially Microsoft. They had a deal with nVidia (I believe) that basically made it impossible to profit on the original Xbox. That's an investment. Sony pushing Blu-Ray was too, but in all honesty, everything is going digital, so we'll see how well that works out. Microsoft alreay learned from Sony. And now Sony is learning from Microsoft. Do you honestly think PSN would be anywhere near what it is today without Xbox Live? Do you think Sony would be pushing as many shooter exclusives as it does had Halo not been successful? I don't.
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#226 205212669269561485377169522720
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This sounds really douchy but I have to agree.. Sony does have more studios.

Although, I wish Sony did have some 3rd party contracts as well. Like with Ubisoft, Namco, Capcom and even EA... But that's where the $$ comes in..

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#228 93soccer
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I'm inclined to agree with Sony on this. I wish Microsoft would make some of their own games. I occasionally look at some games I see coming out on the PS3 and hear that its exclusive and think "maybe it will go the way of Assassins Creed, Final Fantasy 13, DMC4, etc. and eventually be announced for the 360" until I see the SCEA or SCEE or whatever. Now I'm not complaining as long as the games come out and they are good but I wouldn't mind Microsoft making their own studios and making games to THEIR standard.xTheExploited
Correct me if I'm wrong but Assassin's Creed was never exclusive to PS3, even in the beginning. And as others have said, improve PSN, sell more games and consoles, move out of last place before trying to give out advice Sony ;)
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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]I'm inclined to agree with Sony on this. I wish Microsoft would make some of their own games. I occasionally look at some games I see coming out on the PS3 and hear that its exclusive and think "maybe it will go the way of Assassins Creed, Final Fantasy 13, DMC4, etc. and eventually be announced for the 360" until I see the SCEA or SCEE or whatever. Now I'm not complaining as long as the games come out and they are good but I wouldn't mind Microsoft making their own studios and making games to THEIR standard.93soccer
Correct me if I'm wrong but Assassin's Creed was never exclusive to PS3, even in the beginning. And as others have said, improve PSN, sell more games and consoles, move out of last place before trying to give out advice Sony ;)

Well to be fair they've already done that, for two consecutive gens ;).