Sony's brilliant strategy and the future of gaming

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[QUOTE="Sihanouk"] Wii owners are mostly gamecube owners and new casuals entering the console space. Sihanouk

Wrong.

"The reality is that the Wii is not expanding the market as much as Nintendo wants us to believe," Goodman said. "According to a publisher I have spoken to, less than 10 percent of Wii buyers did not previously own a console. So basically, Wii growth is coming at the expense of other console manufacturers--mainly Sony--not by expanding the market. It is only once a Wii enters a household that others start using it.

http://e3.gamespot.com/story.html?sid=6174649&pid=942009&cpage=4&prev_button=1

I was not wrong. I am rarely wrong. Read my sentence again. Former Gamecube owners + totally new comers >>greater than former PS2 owners.

I can see later on, former PS2 owner may outnumber gamecube owners, but not yet. That's because more people will own 2 consoles this generation than last gen. There will be a lot of PSWii owners.

Rarely wrong....ahhh, the arrogance of youth amuses me.

Nevertheless, the Wii has already sold more units than the GC. So, unless 100% of GC owners have already bought a Wii...well you would be wrong :)

Lets take Japan for instance.

This gen Wii has sold about 6 million in Japan

Last gen GC sold a total of 3.5million in Japan.

I guess in Japan most GC owners have now bought 2 Wiis :)

Don't you hate it when one of those rarely wrongs occurs?

Blu-ray wasn't brilliance. It was a risk sony took. and it didn't work. It made the console too expensive for people to buy,so sony started scrambling a few months to make the console more attractive.

And don't assume that ps2 owners will naturally go to the ps3. If that were true, the ps3 should already be in first place by now.

BuryMe

I disagree with that assertion. How can Blu-ray have "not worked" if it won the format war?

In regards including Blu-ray in the PS3--yes, it held back the console in the short term, but Blu-ray is a boon for Sony in the long-term.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"] Wii owners are mostly gamecube owners and new casuals entering the console space. SUD123456

Wrong.

"The reality is that the Wii is not expanding the market as much as Nintendo wants us to believe," Goodman said. "According to a publisher I have spoken to, less than 10 percent of Wii buyers did not previously own a console. So basically, Wii growth is coming at the expense of other console manufacturers--mainly Sony--not by expanding the market. It is only once a Wii enters a household that others start using it.

http://e3.gamespot.com/story.html?sid=6174649&pid=942009&cpage=4&prev_button=1

I was not wrong. I am rarely wrong. Read my sentence again. Former Gamecube owners + totally new comers >>greater than former PS2 owners.

I can see later on, former PS2 owner may outnumber gamecube owners, but not yet. That's because more people will own 2 consoles this generation than last gen. There will be a lot of PSWii owners.

Rarely wrong....ahhh, the arrogance of youth amuses me.

Nevertheless, the Wii has already sold more units than the GC. So, unless 100% of GC owners have already bought a Wii...well you would be wrong :)

Lets take Japan for instance.

This gen Wii has sold about 6 million in Japan

Last gen GC sold a total of 3.5million in Japan.

I guess in Japan most GC owners have now bought 2 Wiis :)

Don't you hate it when one of those rarely wrongs occurs?

I was not wrong. Who taught you how to think?

Wii owners= Gamecuber owners + PS2 owners + New comers + Xbox owners.

Mostly means more than 50%. More than 50% of Wii owners in the world are from Gamecube owners and new comers. The rest come form PS2 and Xbox owners. Most doesn't equal 100%.

Wii number one cause a lot of casuals around.

X360 number two cause the best games for hardcore gamers

PS3 number three cause very soon HD video players will become cheap and nobody will buy PS3 as BR player like most people now. Games are too casual for hardcore players and not casual enough for Wii audience

goddamn_

Is that why its outselling 360 on all fronts?

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

Blu-ray wasn't brilliance. It was a risk sony took. and it didn't work. It made the console too expensive for people to buy,so sony started scrambling a few months to make the console more attractive.

And don't assume that ps2 owners will naturally go to the ps3. If that were true, the ps3 should already be in first place by now.

dream431ca

Yeah, it didn't work, Blu-ray is dying and so is Sony. :roll:

Wow gotta love speculations especially when the ps3 is in dead last in sales of software and hardware.Gh0st_Of_0nyx

You are a farmer. There are two countries: Country 360 and Country PS3. Country 360 has had bountiful harvests the last 2 years. Now the soil is not as good, and rain fall is falling less than Country PS3 and industry analysts predicts Country PS3 will have continue to have better soil and rainfall. You gonna stay with country xbox 360 because of the past or go to Country PS3 because of the present and better future?

Think, dude.

The Wii will be selling long after the PS3 goes down. Why is the PS2 still selling? Because it managed to attract the casuals and they're still buying it. Who has the casuals now?meetroid8

When the PS3 drops to 200-300 dollars the casuals will come.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]The Wii will be selling long after the PS3 goes down. Why is the PS2 still selling? Because it managed to attract the casuals and they're still buying it. Who has the casuals now?Sihanouk

When the PS3 drops to 200-300 dollars the casuals will come.

I was not wrong. Who taught you how to think?

Wii owners= Gamecuber owners + PS2 owners + New comers + Xbox owners.

Mostly means more than 50%. More than 50% of Wii owners in the world are from Gamecube owners and new comers. The rest come form PS2 and Xbox owners. Most doesn't equal 100%.

Sihanouk

Well of course you are wrong, son.

Because here is the context of your original post.

People switch to the PS1 because it was a lot better value. People are not switching to the Wii or 360. Wii owners are mostly gamecube owners and new casuals entering the console space. Sihanouk

Because Wii owners are either mostly GC owners and new casuals. Or there are a wholebunch of people switching.

So, either you believe that a huge % of Wii owners are GC owners and a few new casuals, with people not switching....which implies a huge conversion % of GC to Wii owners.....which frankly is ridiculous.

Or, you believe that something like 50%+ 1 Wii owners were GC members and a few casuals...in which case there are a heck of alot of switchers. Only you said peoplearen't switching.

Ergo. You are wrong. Either A is wrong or B is wrong.

Point being you got caught making up a falsehood about Wii buyers, attempting to imply that it is all just repeat buyers. And now you are back tracking to 50% to avoid being wrong. Which makes your statement about non-switchers to be wrong.

I'll give you a piece of advice in life. Never be so arrogant as to refuse to accept that you are wrong.....you will be outed. And frankly,we are all wrong quite often. Accept it and move on.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]The Wii will be selling long after the PS3 goes down. Why is the PS2 still selling? Because it managed to attract the casuals and they're still buying it. Who has the casuals now?meetroid8

When the PS3 drops to 200-300 dollars the casuals will come.

hdtv

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

Blu-ray wasn't brilliance. It was a risk sony took. and it didn't work. It made the console too expensive for people to buy,so sony started scrambling a few months to make the console more attractive.

And don't assume that ps2 owners will naturally go to the ps3. If that were true, the ps3 should already be in first place by now.

fuzzysquash

I disagree with that assertion. How can Blu-ray have "not worked" if it won the format war?

In regards including Blu-ray in the PS3--yes, it held back the console in the short term, but Blu-ray is a boon for Sony in the long-term.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]The Wii will be selling long after the PS3 goes down. Why is the PS2 still selling? Because it managed to attract the casuals and they're still buying it. Who has the casuals now?Sihanouk

When the PS3 drops to 200-300 dollars the casuals will come.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]The Wii will be selling long after the PS3 goes down. Why is the PS2 still selling? Because it managed to attract the casuals and they're still buying it. Who has the casuals now?Sihanouk

When the PS3 drops to 200-300 dollars the casuals will come.

hdtv

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I was not wrong. Who taught you how to think?

Wii owners= Gamecuber owners + PS2 owners + New comers + Xbox owners.

Mostly means more than 50%. More than 50% of Wii owners in the world are from Gamecube owners and new comers. The rest come form PS2 and Xbox owners. Most doesn't equal 100%.

SUD123456

Well of course you are wrong, son.

Because here is the context of your original post.

People switch to the PS1 because it was a lot better value. People are not switching to the Wii or 360. Wii owners are mostly gamecube owners and new casuals entering the console space. Sihanouk

Because Wii owners are either mostly GC owners and new casuals. Or there are a wholebunch of people switching.

So, either you believe that a huge % of Wii owners are GC owners and a few new casuals, with people not switching....which implies a huge conversion % of GC to Wii owners.....which frankly is ridiculous.

Or, you believe that something like 50%+ 1 Wii owners were GC members and a few casuals...in which case there are a heck of alot of switchers. Only you said peoplearen't switching.

Ergo. You are wrong. Either A is wrong or B is wrong.

Point being you got caught making up a falsehood about Wii buyers, attempting to imply that it is all just repeat buyers. And now you are back tracking to 50% to avoid being wrong. Which makes your statement about non-switchers to be wrong.

I'll give you a piece of advice in life. Never be so arrogant as to refuse to accept that you are wrong.....you will be outed. And frankly,we are all wrong quite often. Accept it and move on.

Hehe. I was not wrong! You are being devious.

You took my quote out of context. I was responding to the dude who said "people are switching to Xbox 360 or Wii..." He generalized, and so did I. You think I was so stupid to think only Gamecube owners and new comers bought the wii?

Jeeze. Give it a rest.

sony's strategy this gen has guided the playstation from it's position as the most dominant console in the history of video games (PS2), to the last place in the console market, and has allowed nintendo to regain it's domination in the industry

in the business world, that means that sony's strategy this gen has been a complete and utter disaster

a failure of epic proportions

sony's strategy this gen has guided the playstation from it's position as the most dominant console in the history of video games (PS2), to the last place in the console market, and has allowed nintendo to regain it's domination in the industry

in the business world, that means that sony's strategy this gen has been a complete and utter disaster

a failure of epic proportions

JB730

I disagree. The PS2 had a very good run because the Xbox brand was just starting out, and the Gamecube had no 3rd party exclusives. The PS3 will not do as well as the PS2 no matter what Sony did.

The fact that they chose Blu-ray for the PS3 and keep on selling the PS2 is the brilliant strategy that will give them this generation, too. The Blu-ray/PS2 combination will make the PS3 beat the Wii as well. Most people here don't think, so. But they will be wrong.

Hehe. I was not wrong! You are being devious.

You took my quote out of context. I was responding to the dude who said "people are switching to Xbox 360 or Wii..." He generalized, and so did I. You think I was so stupid to think only Gamecube owners and new comers bought the wii?

Jeeze. Give it a rest.

Sihanouk

I am being devious by using your own words against you? LMAO.

Dude, you made the fanboy thread not me. You are in denial.

Your basic argument is that Sony is going to convert a huge % of PS2 owners to the PS3 and win. You state this is because of the cell and BD, amongst a few other things.

At the same time you want to say that most of the GC and Xbox fans are brand loyal. That's where most (a lot) of the Wii and 360 sales are coming from. You have to say this to maintain the illusion that Sony is going to convert a huge % of PS2 to PS3. Otherwise you have to admit that Wii has already converted a lot of PS2 owners, and likely so has (to a lesser extent) the 360.

But it is all just illusion. Take off the fanboy goggles. Wii is going to be at 25 million by the end of this quarter and they are going to be at 40 million by the end of this year. Do you seriously believe that they won't be there by then? That means they willhave converted at least 20 million PS2 owners by then.

The math doesn't work for PS3. Unless Wii completely collapses this year there is essentially noway for the PS3to catch them.

Yes Sony can and will probably get 2nd place......but they have virtually no chance of winning now.

I disagree. The PS2 had a very good run because the Xbox brand was just starting out, and the Gamecube had no 3rd party exclusives. The PS3 will not do as well as the PS2 no matter what Sony did.

The fact that they chose Blu-ray for the PS3 and keep on selling the PS2 is the brilliant strategy that will give them this generation, too. The Blu-ray/PS2 combination will make the PS3 beat the Wii as well. Most people here don't think, so. But they will be wrong. Sihanouk

[QUOTE="JB730"]

sony's strategy this gen has guided the playstation from it's position as the most dominant console in the history of video games (PS2), to the last place in the console market, and has allowed nintendo to regain it's domination in the industry

in the business world, that means that sony's strategy this gen has been a complete and utter disaster

a failure of epic proportions

Sihanouk

I disagree. The PS2 had a very good run because the Xbox brand was just starting out, and the Gamecube had no 3rd party exclusives. The PS3 will not do as well as the PS2 no matter what Sony did.

The fact that they chose Blu-ray for the PS3 and keep on selling the PS2 is the brilliant strategy that will give them this generation, too. The Blu-ray/PS2 combination will make the PS3 beat the Wii as well. Most people here don't think, so. But they will be wrong.

wii still has poor 3rd party support, and the only reason it's getting better is because sony has allowed nintendo to dominate the console market. nintendo was pretty much down and out - the playstaion brand had the support of ALL 3rd parties, while nintendo had the support of very few in comparison. yet somehow, nintendo was allowed to get back into the thick of things. there is no excuse for that.

the fact that the race is even in question means that PS3 is a failure

the successor to the most dominant console in history should continue to dominate. in business, you need to keep growing. even being stagnant is not good enough, you need to either grow or die. to go from domination to last or distant second place is a colossal failure.

and no the ps3 won't come close to outselling the wii. you think so. but you will be proven wrong. (hey, i can make statements like this too!)

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Hehe. I was not wrong! You are being devious.

You took my quote out of context. I was responding to the dude who said "people are switching to Xbox 360 or Wii..." He generalized, and so did I. You think I was so stupid to think only Gamecube owners and new comers bought the wii?

Jeeze. Give it a rest.

SUD123456

I am being devious by using your own words against you? LMAO.

Dude, you made the fanboy thread not me. You are in denial.

Your basic argument is that Sony is going to convert a huge % of PS2 owners to the PS3 and win. You state this is because of the cell and BD, amongst a few other things.

At the same time you want to say that most of the GC and Xbox fans are brand loyal. That's where most (a lot) of the Wii and 360 sales are coming from. You have to say this to maintain the illusion that Sony is going to convert a huge % of PS2 to PS3. Otherwise you have to admit that Wii has already converted a lot of PS2 owners, and likely so has (to a lesser extent) the 360.

But it is all just illusion. Take off the fanboy goggles. Wii is going to be at 25 million by the end of this quarter and they are going to be at 40 million by the end of this year. Do you seriously believe that they won't be there by then? That means they willhave converted at least 20 million PS2 owners by then.

The math doesn't work for PS3. Unless Wii completely collapses this year there is essentially noway for the PS3to catch them.

Yes Sony can and will probably get 2nd place......but they have virtually no chance of winning now.

I admire your tenacity:) You are devious because you used my response without showing what I was responding to. You are using my words out of context.

No way for PS3 to catch the Wii? Think HD TVs. Even Wii owners will want to have HD TV and play next gen games, especially like you said, 90% of Wii owners have been gamers in the first place. Also think of PS2 owners who will upgrade to an HD capable console. The PS3 will get the most of PS2 and Wii owners upgrading to an HD console.

Bluray was a risky gamble. How can taking a gamble such as that be brilliant?

rimnet00

Because you prepare for it and make a great strategy like forming a grand association like BDA and making a player that sells 3 million at launch alone.

I admire your tenacity:) You are devious because you used my response without showing what I was responding to. You are using my words out of context.

No way for PS3 to catch the Wii? Think HD TVs. Even Wii owners will want to have HD TV and play next gen games, especially like you said, 90% of Wii owners have been gamers in the first place. Also think of PS2 owners who will upgrade to an HD capable console. The PS3 will get the most of PS2 and Wii owners upgrading to an HD console.Sihanouk

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]I admire your tenacity:) You are devious because you used my response without showing what I was responding to. You are using my words out of context.

No way for PS3 to catch the Wii? Think HD TVs. Even Wii owners will want to have HD TV and play next gen games, especially like you said, 90% of Wii owners have been gamers in the first place. Also think of PS2 owners who will upgrade to an HD capable console. The PS3 will get the most of PS2 and Wii owners upgrading to an HD console.BuryMe

people who bought the PS2 up to it's 2-3 years of "life" sought the best-looking versions of games they liked or were in search for a more powerful system, even with the xbox as a choice (because software wise, it sucked). Also, a lot of people that bought the PS2 for casual gaming became hardcore. It's said that games like Halo, God of War and Gran Turismo are great to make casual gamers into hardcore gamers. So... it's probable that the PS3 will still sell a lot, even to old PS2 gamers.

I admire your tenacity:) You are devious because you used my response without showing what I was responding to. You are using my words out of context.

No way for PS3 to catch the Wii? Think HD TVs. Even Wii owners will want to have HD TV and play next gen games, especially like you said, 90% of Wii owners have been gamers in the first place. Also think of PS2 owners who will upgrade to an HD capable console. The PS3 will get the most of PS2 and Wii owners upgrading to an HD console.

Sihanouk

Stop with the BD, the cell, the HDTV and other pointless discussion of features.

The only solid information we have to base our predictions on are the actual numbers that real consumers are giving us....vis a vis their purchases.

Last gen was about 160 million units sold. And that's long after GC and Xbox effectively died.

How many is reasonable this time? Don't give me bull about everyone will buy 2 or 3. Deal in the business facts. 10% growth? 20% growth pick a number. 180 million? Max 200 million?

Now examine the short term...till Dec 31st 2008. Wii will be at least 40 million. 360 at least 24 million. PS3 at least 20 million.

We will be at 80-90 million units by year end. At, or close to, half the likely generation sales. Do you seriously doubt this?

And the Wii will have a 20 million lead. 360 would have to literally die and Wii sales collapse by 50% for Sony to catch up. That isn't going to happen.

By time the PS3 comes down to $200 the next Nintendo system will be out and will msot likely be as powerful and as cheap. The next xbox will be out also, and that leaves sony behind a generation... so how is it brilliant?

They will have to rush out the PS4 to keep up with MS and the PS4 will be another failure. And PS2 will stillb e selling cause someone keeps buying that ancient system. Too bad for sony, they try so hard for so litle increase.

[QUOTE="JB730"]

sony's strategy this gen has guided the playstation from it's position as the most dominant console in the history of video games (PS2), to the last place in the console market, and has allowed nintendo to regain it's domination in the industry

in the business world, that means that sony's strategy this gen has been a complete and utter disaster

a failure of epic proportions

Sihanouk

I disagree. The PS2 had a very good run because the Xbox brand was just starting out, and the Gamecube had no 3rd party exclusives. The PS3 will not do as well as the PS2 no matter what Sony did.

The fact that they chose Blu-ray for the PS3 and keep on selling the PS2 is the brilliant strategy that will give them this generation, too. The Blu-ray/PS2 combination will make the PS3 beat the Wii as well. Most people here don't think, so. But they will be wrong.

Hahaha!!! No. Wii doubled the sale of PS3, and it's still outselling PS3 like crazy. Also, Wii doesn't have that many good third party games. PS3 strategy was just ok. You want to talk about brilliant. Nintendo for noticing that people weren't ready to move onto HD graphics and people wanting new things (motion sensing) and caputring the casual market.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I admire your tenacity:) You are devious because you used my response without showing what I was responding to. You are using my words out of context.

No way for PS3 to catch the Wii? Think HD TVs. Even Wii owners will want to have HD TV and play next gen games, especially like you said, 90% of Wii owners have been gamers in the first place. Also think of PS2 owners who will upgrade to an HD capable console. The PS3 will get the most of PS2 and Wii owners upgrading to an HD console.

SUD123456

Stop with the BD, the cell, the HDTV and other pointless discussion of features.

The only solid information we have to base our predictions on are the actual numbers that real consumers are giving us....vis a vis their purchases.

Last gen was about 160 million units sold. And that's long after GC and 360 effectively died.

How many is reasonable this time? Don't give me bull about everyone will buy 2 or 3. Deal in the business facts. 10% growth? 20% growth pick a number. 180 million? Max 200 million?

Now examine the short term...till Dec 31st 2008. Wii will be at least 40 million. 360 at least 24 million. PS3 at least 20 million.

We will be at 80-90 million units by year end. At, or close to, half the likely generation sales. Do you seriously doubt this?

And the Wii will have a 20 million lead. 360 would have to literally die and Wii sales collapse by 50% for Sony to catch up. That isn't going to happen.

How would I know about the numbers? I like to predict, but I do so with in reasons. Finding a number, even a ball park number is too much of a leap of faith, even for me.

If you want to think far and predict the future, first and foremost, you must understand human nature. Gamers are humans, after all. Blu-ray, Cell, HD TVs are all future oriented technologies that gamers care about. Even Wii owners will want HD gaming. In 4 year's time, the PS3 will probably drop to $200 or less, and casuals and Wii ownes will come flocking to the PS3, if they haven't done so already. The reason why the PS3 will sell more than the Wii is because it is so much more future proof that Sony will continue to sell it even after 10 years, the way I see it.

How would I know about the numbers? I like to predict, but I do so with in reasons. Finding a number, even a ball park number is too much of a leap of faith, even for me.

If you want to think far and predict the future, first and foremost, you must understand human nature. Gamers are humans, after all. Blu-ray, Cell, HD TVs are all future oriented technologies that gamers care about. Even Wii owners will want HD gaming. In 4 year's time, the PS3 will probably drop to $200 or less, and casuals and Wii ownes will come flocking to the PS3, if they haven't done so already. The reason why the PS3 will sell more than the Wii is because it is so much more future proof that Sony will continue to sell it even after 10 years, the way I see it. Sihanouk

When the PS3 drops to $200, the wii and 360 will cost considerably less, making either the better choice for casuals. The people who really do want HD can go with the 360.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]How would I know about the numbers? I like to predict, but I do so with in reasons. Finding a number, even a ball park number is too much of a leap of faith, even for me.

If you want to think far and predict the future, first and foremost, you must understand human nature. Gamers are humans, after all. Blu-ray, Cell, HD TVs are all future oriented technologies that gamers care about. Even Wii owners will want HD gaming. In 4 year's time, the PS3 will probably drop to $200 or less, and casuals and Wii ownes will come flocking to the PS3, if they haven't done so already. The reason why the PS3 will sell more than the Wii is because it is so much more future proof that Sony will continue to sell it even after 10 years, the way I see it. BuryMe

When the PS3 drops to $200, the wii and 360 will cost considerably less, making either the better choice for casuals. The people who really do want HD can go with the 360.

So many people keep saying that there aren't many HD TVs now. We are not talking about now. We are talking about the future in 4 to 10 years. Even local TV stations have to broadcast in HD in 2009, I think.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]How would I know about the numbers? I like to predict, but I do so with in reasons. Finding a number, even a ball park number is too much of a leap of faith, even for me.

If you want to think far and predict the future, first and foremost, you must understand human nature. Gamers are humans, after all. Blu-ray, Cell, HD TVs are all future oriented technologies that gamers care about. Even Wii owners will want HD gaming. In 4 year's time, the PS3 will probably drop to $200 or less, and casuals and Wii ownes will come flocking to the PS3, if they haven't done so already. The reason why the PS3 will sell more than the Wii is because it is so much more future proof that Sony will continue to sell it even after 10 years, the way I see it. Sihanouk

When the PS3 drops to $200, the wii and 360 will cost considerably less, making either the better choice for casuals. The people who really do want HD can go with the 360.

One word:

LONGEVITY

Bluray was a risky gamble. How can taking a gamble such as that be brilliant?

rimnet00

because it paid off and they won the format war. now devs just gotta get around the slow drives and stop making mandatory installs. ps3 games didnt have them before so why lately?

im a GAMER, i love games and im playing my games on the system that provides the best games at the moment, right now the xbox360 has no doubt the best game line up. The Ps3 will probably outsell the 360 within a coupple of years because of the blueray technology which appeals to the movie entusiasts aswell. When that is said, yes it is true the xbox360 will be in last place when it comes to how many consoles sold worldwide within a coupple of years but that dosn`t mean that the 360 is out of the race, that is just a poor statement from people who has very low intelegence. The xbox360 has a huge fanbase and im i know that MS will provide tons of great games in the future. The Ps3 hasnt really proven its true power "yet" but i think (as a gamer) not a fanboy >> that within the next couple of years the PS3 will have greater games than the 360 because of the HDMI port and disc space. Just ask yourself, how many 360 games do you think lasted to short? The 360 games runs on very low space dvd9's, with 9GB at its max, the blueray disc however runs on a 50 GB disc. That is a huge difference, dont you agree? what does this mean? this means that the ps3 games will last longer, you will see waster landscapes, taller buildings much more destructeble environments etc, simply because sony has much more space on the blueray disc to play around with than what MS has with its dvd9 GB discs. One last thing i would like to share with you my fellow gamers, Dont bash on eachothers system, dont forget it is a great thing that there are more than just one console, if there was only one console the games wouldnt be as good as they are today

thank you.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I admire your tenacity:) You are devious because you used my response without showing what I was responding to. You are using my words out of context.

No way for PS3 to catch the Wii? Think HD TVs. Even Wii owners will want to have HD TV and play next gen games, especially like you said, 90% of Wii owners have been gamers in the first place. Also think of PS2 owners who will upgrade to an HD capable console. The PS3 will get the most of PS2 and Wii owners upgrading to an HD console.

Sihanouk

Stop with the BD, the cell, the HDTV and other pointless discussion of features.

The only solid information we have to base our predictions on are the actual numbers that real consumers are giving us....vis a vis their purchases.

Last gen was about 160 million units sold. And that's long after GC and 360 effectively died.

How many is reasonable this time? Don't give me bull about everyone will buy 2 or 3. Deal in the business facts. 10% growth? 20% growth pick a number. 180 million? Max 200 million?

Now examine the short term...till Dec 31st 2008. Wii will be at least 40 million. 360 at least 24 million. PS3 at least 20 million.

We will be at 80-90 million units by year end. At, or close to, half the likely generation sales. Do you seriously doubt this?

And the Wii will have a 20 million lead. 360 would have to literally die and Wii sales collapse by 50% for Sony to catch up. That isn't going to happen.

How would I know about the numbers? I like to predict, but I do so with in reasons. Finding a number, even a ball park number is too much of a leap of faith, even for me.

If you want to think far and predict the future, first and foremost, you must understand human nature. Gamers are humans, after all. Blu-ray, Cell, HD TVs are all future oriented technologies that gamers care about. Even Wii owners will want HD gaming. In 4 year's time, the PS3 will probably drop to $200 or less, and casuals and Wii ownes will come flocking to the PS3, if they haven't done so already. The reason why the PS3 will sell more than the Wii is because it is so much more future proof that Sony will continue to sell it even after 10 years, the way I see it.

Your so called reasons are not well thought out. They amount to your opinions based upon your own personal preferences extrapolated to the market as a whole. In short, you think that everyone else thinks like you. That is your sole reason.

If you actually understood human behaviour you would know that the single greatest indicator of likely future action is current behaviour. This is how all trends are calculated. Using evidence of the current to predict the future.

Take your statement about Wii owners. And your numerous comments about HDTV as a whole. There is zero evidence that Wii owners will demand HD gaming. The fact that they bought a Wii suggests to me that they won't. Because you have a preference for it, you think that they will magically wake up and desire HD gaming.

And you kid yourself about HDTV adoption rates to reinforce your own bias. Yet you miss the evidence that is out there.

The gaming market with the highest penetration rates of HDTVs is Japan. They easily trounce Europe and N America on HDTV penetration. One would think that the market most in love with HDTVs would be an early indicator of gamers need for HD graphics, and should your hypothesis be correct, one would expect HD gaming to be doing well in Japan. It isn't. The Wii is obliterating the PS3 by a 3 to 1 factor.

The reason why this is happening is because most of the mainstream market is NOT like you. In any technology adoption, the early adopters are significantly out in front of the mainstream. All gaming will eventually go HD, but this generation will not be decided by HD. The market has already told us this.

So again, your 'understanding human behaviour' and predicting 'with reasons' is nothing more than your personal bias extrapolated to the market.

Bluray was a risky gamble. How can taking a gamble such as that be brilliant?

rimnet00

Bigger the risk, bigger the profits.

sony's genius stategy that the system starts paying off in profit, game sales and game scores 4 years after the fact? when the other systems will have a new system out that will destroy the ps3 in every way in terms of graphics, and such? ....thats a bad strategy.WilliamRLBaker

That's the way to lose developers support. No developer wants 5-6 year generations where it can barelly pay off their investments in R&D of the new technlogy, specially in such times where developing a single game can take 2-3 years.

Bluray was a risky gamble. How can taking a gamble such as that be brilliant?

rimnet00

They gambled with PSX and they gambled with PS2. Look how those two turned out.