Sooo... about those FPS on consoles...

Eh halo is pretty much the only fps game I enjoy on consoles. It's very obvious that it's built from the ground up for controllers, and it shows.

Ditto with everybody else in the thread. And our eyes detect variation very well. Honestly, a solid 30 FPS is probably more visually pleasing than a framerate that fluctuates between 30 and 70 (obviously it depends on how often it fluctuates).DarthBilf

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

I sometimes feel like hermits just started gaming this gen. How in the world did you guys ever survive in the days of DX9 and past?

Enjoy your PC though and make the most of it. Don't spoil yourself too much though and close your mindas there are a number of good games on consoles as well.

jcbullen

Well that's good to hear. I've always felt like the elitist hermits who fool themselves out of good console games because of no 60 FPS/1080P are tools. Not that you need to be playing multiple systems to be a fair or balanced gamer but I think it's one of the dumbest reasons I hear from PC gamers who don't like consoles. Congrats though and welcome to the dark side :P

[QUOTE="DarthBilf"]Ditto with everybody else in the thread. And our eyes detect variation very well. Honestly, a solid 30 FPS is probably more visually pleasing than a framerate that fluctuates between 30 and 70 (obviously it depends on how often it fluctuates).Spartan070

Of course this is true, but that doesnt mean consoles do not suffer from this. And if you have a good computer this is not a problem as you can lock games at 60.

Pointless thread.

[QUOTE="jcbullen"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

I sometimes feel like hermits just started gaming this gen. How in the world did you guys ever survive in the days of DX9 and past?

Enjoy your PC though and make the most of it. Don't spoil yourself too much though and close your mindas there are a number of good games on consoles as well.

whiskeystrike

Well that's good to hear. I've always felt like the elitist hermits who fool themselves out of good console games because of no 60 FPS/1080P are tools. Not that you need to be playing multiple systems to be a fair or balanced gamer but I think it's one of the dumbest reasons I hear from PC gamers who don't like consoles. Congrats though and welcome to the dark side :P

PC primarily gamer here and I buy anything that has games I love :P. PC is the best hardware hands down. There is simply no denying it. If I could play every game on PC, I would not own a console. With that said, I don't find console games hard to play except for dual analog in FPS games (playable, but terrible compared to KB/M). The bottom line is I need my Zelda, Mario, Uncharted, SSX, and so on :P.

If you care so much about a slight fps increase then your should probably quit gaming.

Stringerboy

It really is not slight though ;). But of course, most games on console are definitely playable.

[QUOTE="jcbullen"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

I sometimes feel like hermits just started gaming this gen. How in the world did you guys ever survive in the days of DX9 and past?

Enjoy your PC though and make the most of it. Don't spoil yourself too much though and close your mindas there are a number of good games on consoles as well.

whiskeystrike

Well that's good to hear. I've always felt like the elitist hermits who fool themselves out of good console games because of no 60 FPS/1080P are tools. Not that you need to be playing multiple systems to be a fair or balanced gamer but I think it's one of the dumbest reasons I hear from PC gamers who don't like consoles. Congrats though and welcome to the dark side :P

[QUOTE="jcbullen"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

I sometimes feel like hermits just started gaming this gen. How in the world did you guys ever survive in the days of DX9 and past?

Enjoy your PC though and make the most of it. Don't spoil yourself too much though and close your mindas there are a number of good games on consoles as well.

infinite884

[QUOTE="jcbullen"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

I sometimes feel like hermits just started gaming this gen. How in the world did you guys ever survive in the days of DX9 and past?

Enjoy your PC though and make the most of it. Don't spoil yourself too much though and close your mindas there are a number of good games on consoles as well.

infinite884

Doesn't prevent me from enjoying good games. Sucks to be you.AcidSoldner

I've been playing games on consoles since pretty much forever and I have never really had any major gripes about them. I was fine with the fact that the majority of consoles games are locked at 30 FPS. Now that I bought a gaming PC, I can't imagine going back to 30 FPS. I was playing Metro on max settings and my frame rate was dipping down to a minimum of 30 FPS from 70 FPS and that was disappointing to see. To think, that used to be the norm for me. No more!

jcbullen

[QUOTE="jcbullen"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

I sometimes feel like hermits just started gaming this gen. How in the world did you guys ever survive in the days of DX9 and past?

Enjoy your PC though and make the most of it. Don't spoil yourself too much though and close your mindas there are a number of good games on consoles as well.

whiskeystrike

Well that's good to hear. I've always felt like the elitist hermits who fool themselves out of good console games because of no 60 FPS/1080P are tools. Not that you need to be playing multiple systems to be a fair or balanced gamer but I think it's one of the dumbest reasons I hear from PC gamers who don't like consoles. Congrats though and welcome to the dark side :P

But does a good game remain a good game if performance issues are a big enough nuisance to break your immersion, and therefore kill enjoyment?

I mean don't get me wrong, there are console games out there that don't fail in those ways, but they're not all like that. Luckily, as far as my experience goes, it tends to be the multiplatform games that suffer the most, and I can just get those on PC anyways.

I mean I played ME2 last week on a 360, and I just couldn't believe how unbelievably choppy it looked. I even asked friends if they could see it happening, and they did (and they're primarily console gamers themselves). It may have been one of the worst offenders I've seen in recent memory, but like I said they aren't all like that, but there are some.

Meanwhile if you play something like Gears of War, RDR, or Infamous, even though they also run at lower frame rates they just aren't quite as noticeable as other games. I think maybe it has more to do with the added level of polish because the devs are focusing on perfecting the game for one, or two systems.

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

[QUOTE="infinite884"]

who gives a f***, i can enjoy games at 30 fps or 60 fps, who cares

infinite884

Well the point is that the gameplay in real time combat games is substantially improved with 60FPS. I think that's the point. Not to say you can't enjoy games at 30FPS, they are just better at 60FPS.

No one is saying 30FPS isn't "right". Just that 60FPS enhances the experience, which it does. Especially when the gameplay relies on real time combat/reactions/accuracy etc. 30FPS never bothered me either when I played with it, but then again neither did 15FPS or less back when that was standard. It's all relative, but undoubtedly 60FPS provides a superior experience.

^^ Three voices of reason in a row.

^^ Three voices of reason in a row.

jcbullen

Is 60 fps better than 30? Certainly. Its never prevented me from enjoying console shooters, though.

[QUOTE="jcbullen"]

^^ Three voices of reason in a row.

jonleeprice

[QUOTE="jcbullen"]

^^ Three voices of reason in a row.

jonleeprice

I hated the idea of playing games on a computer. I couldnt get past it and using a keybaord and mouse and such. Well for most games anyway, I always played Diablo and DOS games and such. Then I played enough counterstrike with my bro and once you practice with it it becomes second nature and you never wanna go back. PC is where its at, though I still console game when needed.

[QUOTE="jcbullen"]

^^ Three voices of reason in a row.

jonleeprice

[QUOTE="jonleeprice"][QUOTE="jcbullen"]

^^ Three voices of reason in a row.

infinite884

[QUOTE="jonleeprice"][QUOTE="jcbullen"]

^^ Three voices of reason in a row.

NaveedLife

I hated the idea of playing games on a computer. I couldnt get past it and using a keybaord and mouse and such. Well for most games anyway, I always played Diablo and DOS games and such. Then I played enough counterstrike with my bro and once you practice with it it becomes second nature and you never wanna go back. PC is where its at, though I still console game when needed.

[QUOTE="jonleeprice"][QUOTE="jcbullen"]

^^ Three voices of reason in a row.

infinite884

Its a big deal because this is system wars, where morons come to let their stupid opinions die.

Where 2 FPS difference or incredibly unnoticeable change in resolution to most eyes is a HUGE deal.

Where people justify paying for their gaming machines by insulting other gaming machines and those who play them for no reason.

Seriously, this is the forum we are in.

[QUOTE="infinite884"][QUOTE="jonleeprice"] Its isnt worth trying mate people will ALWAYS hate on what they dont understand, i used to have the same opinion about pc gaming when i was younger...then just took the plunge into pc gaming and have rarely looked back.SPYDER0416

Its a big deal because this is system wars, where morons come to let their stupid opinions die.

Where 2 FPS difference or incredibly unnoticeable change in resolution to most eyes is a HUGE deal.

Where people justify paying for their gaming machines by insulting other gaming machines and those who play them for no reason.

Seriously, this is the forum we are in.

Doesn't prevent me from enjoying good games. Sucks to be you.AcidSoldner

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="jonleeprice"] Its isnt worth trying mate people will ALWAYS hate on what they dont understand, i used to have the same opinion about pc gaming when i was younger...then just took the plunge into pc gaming and have rarely looked back.jcbullen

I hated the idea of playing games on a computer. I couldnt get past it and using a keybaord and mouse and such. Well for most games anyway, I always played Diablo and DOS games and such. Then I played enough counterstrike with my bro and once you practice with it it becomes second nature and you never wanna go back. PC is where its at, though I still console game when needed.

By "when needed", I meant when I have to :P. I love Zelda, SSX, and so on, so I need consoles for that. if I can get it on PC, thats where I get it ;). I use a PS3 controller on PC for some games, which turns out was just Street Fighter IV which I never play anymore :P.

[QUOTE="infinite884"][QUOTE="jonleeprice"] Its isnt worth trying mate people will ALWAYS hate on what they dont understand, i used to have the same opinion about pc gaming when i was younger...then just took the plunge into pc gaming and have rarely looked back.SPYDER0416

Its a big deal because this is system wars, where morons come to let their stupid opinions die.

Where 2 FPS difference or incredibly unnoticeable change in resolution to most eyes is a HUGE deal.

Where people justify paying for their gaming machines by insulting other gaming machines and those who play them for no reason.

Seriously, this is the forum we are in.

2 frames? Not noticeale resolution difference? What console are you playing on? I want one.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

my thoughts exactly.

MW2ismygame

This. That.

Until a digital foundry thread pops up, comparing a 2 fps difference between xbox360 and ps3.

Or one of the 1000 next gen console hardware threads.

[QUOTE="MW2ismygame"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

This. That.

Jankarcop

Until a digital foundry thread pops up, comparing a 2 fps difference between xbox360 and ps3.

Or one of the 1000 next gen console hardware threads.

This needed to be readable. ;)

I'll deal with slight framerate issues in favor of superior controls. Flame on.

The difference in how well BF3 plays on the PS3 and PC is generations apart

I'll deal with slight framerate issues in favor of superior controls. Flame on.

Vari3ty

How could it be superior if you can use the same controls on PC? Not sure why anyone would, but you can.

have fun playing twisted metal, gears 3, halo, etc. Oh wait you can't. Also, how does it feel to know the 360 is lead console for all multiplats, and you get a version that uses less than half of your gpu's potential

have fun playing twisted metal, gears 3, halo, etc. Oh wait you can't. Also, how does it feel to know the 360 is lead console for all multiplats, and you get a version that uses less than half of your gpu's potential

deadruler08

You failed pretty badly with this post.

Why would a PC gamer care that the 360 is the lead console for multiplats when 99% of multiplats are better on PC?

have fun playing twisted metal, gears 3, halo, etc. Oh wait you can't. Also, how does it feel to know the 360 is lead console for all multiplats, and you get a version that uses less than half of your gpu's potential

deadruler08

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Rather have solid 30 frames than a fluctuating framerate.

sukraj

i totally agree.

I'll deal with slight framerate issues in favor of superior controls. Flame on.

Vari3ty

have fun playing twisted metal, gears 3, halo, etc. Oh wait you can't. Also, how does it feel to know the 360 is lead console for all multiplats, and you get a version that uses less than half of your gpu's potential

deadruler08

I've been a PC gamer all my life, beginning with Doom on floppy disks. I play games on consoles too, but as a PC gamer the below 30fps dips are much more noticeable to a PC gamer than it is a console gamer. The Mass Effect 3 demo on PS3 just drove me insane. It was horrid.

You're implying fps on consoles is always stable? Plus you can lock fps on PC games.

edidili

More stable than PC almost always.

There is no way to "lock" FPS.

I've been a PC gamer all my life, beginning with Doom on floppy disks. I play games on consoles too, but as a PC gamer the below 30fps dips are much more noticeable to a PC gamer than it is a console gamer. The Mass Effect 3 demo on PS3 just drove me insane. It was horrid.

Merex760

It's your problem. I don't notice choppiness in any of my games. I just have to never play a PC game ever ;)

Rather have solid 30 frames than a fluctuating framerate.

ZombieKiller7

This. Especially a fluctuation as jarring as 70 to 30. A steady 30 is fine for most games, with racing games being the only games I see really benefitting from a faster frame rate.

Doesn't prevent me from enjoying good games. Sucks to be you.AcidSoldner

[QUOTE="MW2ismygame"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

This. That.

Jankarcop

Until a digital foundry thread pops up, comparing a 2 fps difference between xbox360 and ps3.

Or one of the 1000 next gen console hardware threads.

I'll deal with slight framerate issues in favor of superior controls. Flame on.

Vari3ty

Superior controls...for fps?

on consoles?