RPG of the year, or RPG of the century?
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i was actually dissapointed with the demo. looked kinda meh to me. i'm hoping its alot better than what they were willing to show...ninjaxamsi'm guessing it's 'spoilers!!11' so they won't show the good stuff, or maybe focusing on the combat is some attempt to draw otherwise uninterested people in. either way, yeah, that demo was pretty out of place. though he sucked at aiming, so he's probably a PC gamer. yay.
i was actually dissapointed with the demo. looked kinda meh to me. i'm hoping its alot better than what they were willing to show...ninjaxams
Yeah, I can't explain it but I wasn't really impressed either. I was interested in it, but I wasn't hyped up for it or anything. I'm still interested though.
[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]i was actually dissapointed with the demo. looked kinda meh to me. i'm hoping its alot better than what they were willing to show...JayPee89Everything is kinda meh to you. Maybe you should find a new hobby. :|
He hates Half-Life 2 and GTA IV, yet he loves Tenchu Z. His comment bodes pretty well for Fallout 3. AAA!
RPG of the forever.
Can't wait to see more gameplay. When is it supposed to demo'd again? On either SpikeTV or G4 sometime this week...
Everything is kinda meh to you. Maybe you should find a new hobby. :|[QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="ninjaxams"]i was actually dissapointed with the demo. looked kinda meh to me. i'm hoping its alot better than what they were willing to show...BioShockOwnz
He hates Half-Life 2 and GTA IV, yet he loves Tenchu Z. His comment bodes pretty well for Fallout 3. AAA!
errr sorry for being jaded???Any thread about Fallout is basically a license for the hardcore PC fanboys to spew the same cliched talking points they've been spewing out for the past year about the game. The concept of not playing it if they don't like the idea apparently hasn't occured to them.
Because, you know, Oblivion was the worst game EVER and Bethesda totally SUCK!!!111!!! Nothing will ever be as good as the original 2, they were the perfect games and this has nothing to do with nostalgia of course!!!111!!!
the game IMO looks way to easy..i mean from a long time FPS fan..its looks like i can just blow though this game in a week..but in Fallout 1 and 2 the things you upgraded on you charater effected what happened in combat..but now it just seem like i can grab a pistol and headshot everyone around me with little effort..
dont get me wrong the game looks good..it just looks easy..i mean mini nuke launcher FTL.. not only that but if it was a nuclear war how did he get the mini nuclear bombs..and the mini nuclear missle launcher..alot of this game dosent make sence...but i think some will love it and some will hate it..i for one right now hate it..it seems like a way to easy game geared towards casuals who dont know anything about a basic rpg but just wants to shoot things and make them blow up..
Any thread about Fallout is basically a license for the hardcore PC fanboys to spew the same cliched talking points they've been spewing out for the past year about the game. The concept of not playing it if they don't like the idea apparently hasn't occured to them.
Because, you know, Oblivion was the worst game EVER and Bethesda totally SUCK!!!111!!! Nothing will ever be as good as the original 2, they were the perfect games and this has nothing to do with nostalgia of course!!!111!!!
RuprechtMonkey
I'm not playing it because I don't like what I've seen. :|
I wish I could though. They're trashing a great series. Just like they did with Elderr Scrolls.
[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]i was actually dissapointed with the demo. looked kinda meh to me. i'm hoping its alot better than what they were willing to show...Makarii'm guessing it's 'spoilers!!11' so they won't show the good stuff, or maybe focusing on the combat is some attempt to draw otherwise uninterested people in. either way, yeah, that demo was pretty out of place. though he sucked at aiming, so he's probably a PC gamer. yay.
Yea, with a mouse thats actually good for shooters. :D
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Any thread about Fallout is basically a license for the hardcore PC fanboys to spew the same cliched talking points they've been spewing out for the past year about the game. The concept of not playing it if they don't like the idea apparently hasn't occured to them.
Because, you know, Oblivion was the worst game EVER and Bethesda totally SUCK!!!111!!! Nothing will ever be as good as the original 2, they were the perfect games and this has nothing to do with nostalgia of course!!!111!!!
TaCoDuDe
I'm not playing it because I don't like what I've seen. :|
I wish I could though. They're trashing a great series. Just like they did with Elderr Scrolls.
Actually, most Hermits don't question that this game is going to be an amazing game. Many of us openly acknowledge that Bethesda can do no wrong. While its going to be a great game, its going to be a horrible "FALLOUT" game. Countless threads have been posted, one with over 1K posts, that detail the arguements against this game. Time and time again we've pointed out that this is going to be a good game, but what Bethesda is doing is being unfaithful to a classic franchise. They've changed so many aspects of the original game. The only arguements I ever hear against this is, "Games change" and "you haven't played it yet". Both of those rebutals are tired and played out. The fact of the matter is that Bethesda is screwing with a classic formula, and stappling the fallout title on there. Its like making a party game and putting the Halo brand on it just to sell copies. It doesn't matter if its a great game, it might be truly unfaithful to Halo.Any thread about Fallout is basically a license for the hardcore PC fanboys to spew the same cliched talking points they've been spewing out for the past year about the game. The concept of not playing it if they don't like the idea apparently hasn't occured to them.
Because, you know, Oblivion was the worst game EVER and Bethesda totally SUCK!!!111!!! Nothing will ever be as good as the original 2, they were the perfect games and this has nothing to do with nostalgia of course!!!111!!!
RuprechtMonkey
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Any thread about Fallout is basically a license for the hardcore PC fanboys to spew the same cliched talking points they've been spewing out for the past year about the game. The concept of not playing it if they don't like the idea apparently hasn't occured to them.
Because, you know, Oblivion was the worst game EVER and Bethesda totally SUCK!!!111!!! Nothing will ever be as good as the original 2, they were the perfect games and this has nothing to do with nostalgia of course!!!111!!!
TaCoDuDe
I'm not playing it because I don't like what I've seen. :|
I wish I could though. They're trashing a great series. Just like they did with Elderr Scrolls.
Opinions are like, well, you know.
I really dug Oblivion, and I've been play the ES since Arena. WAY more ES fans (really though they weren't so much ES fans as they were hardcore Daggerfall fans) complained about Morrowind. The same thing happened with Oblivion and Morrowind fans.
There's nothing stopping Interplay from making a Fallout style game again, they don't need the "Fallout" name. PC fans didn't seem to whine NEARLY as much 9actually it was more like not at all) about the truly bad Fallout Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel spinoffs. Bethesda is just an "easy" target these days for bored PC fanboys upset about losing exclusive titles, or titles that would've been exclusive to the PC had they been made 8 years ago.
[QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Any thread about Fallout is basically a license for the hardcore PC fanboys to spew the same cliched talking points they've been spewing out for the past year about the game. The concept of not playing it if they don't like the idea apparently hasn't occured to them.
Because, you know, Oblivion was the worst game EVER and Bethesda totally SUCK!!!111!!! Nothing will ever be as good as the original 2, they were the perfect games and this has nothing to do with nostalgia of course!!!111!!!
RuprechtMonkey
I'm not playing it because I don't like what I've seen. :|
I wish I could though. They're trashing a great series. Just like they did with Elderr Scrolls.
Opinions are like, well, you know.
I really dug Oblivion, and I've been play the ES since Arena. WAY more ES fans (really though they weren't so much ES fans as they were hardcore Daggerfall fans) complained about Morrowind. The same thing happened with Oblivion and Morrowind fans.
There's nothing stopping Interplay from making a Fallout style game again, they don't need the "Fallout" name. PC fans didn't seem to whine NEARLY as much 9actually it was more like not at all) about the truly bad Fallout Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel spinoffs. Bethesda is just an "easy" target these days for bored PC fanboys upset about losing exclusive titles, or titles that would've been exclusive to the PC had they been made 8 years ago.
Erm, what was wrong with Fallout Tactics? :roll:, targeting "Pc fanboys" ....
While its going to be a great game, its going to be a horrible "FALLOUT" game. Vandalvideo
Yes, because Tactics and BoS were AWESOME!
The franchise, as well as the company that created it, were completely dead in the water before Bethesda bought the IP. That money allowed them to continue to breathe.
There is nothing stopping Interplay from making another turn based and isometric RPG while not using the Fallout name. It is just a name, get over it.
Erm, what was wrong with Fallout Tactics? :roll:, targeting "Pc fanboys" .... PC360Wii
Didn't say there was anything "wrong" with it, it just wasn't anywhere close to being as good as the others.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]While its going to be a great game, its going to be a horrible "FALLOUT" game. RuprechtMonkey
Yes, because Tactics and BoS were AWESOME!
The franchise, as well as the company that created it, were completely dead in the water before Bethesda bought the IP. That money allowed them to continue to breathe.
There is nothing stopping Interplay from making another turn based and isometric RPG while not using the Fallout name. It is just a name, get over it.
No one said that tactics and BOS were awesome, and way to ignore 90% of my post as well. Like I so clearly pointed out, we've pointed out in other threads dozens of times why this game is nothing like the originals. It doesn't matter if this is going to be a great game or not. Bethesda has changed the atmosphere, the gameplay, the dialogue, the storyline, pulp references, and countless other aspects of the game. This isn't fallout, its Oblivion with guns. And again, no one is saying Oblivion is bad or that this game will be bad. We're saying it is not faithful to Fallout. Nothing more, nothing less.Opinions are like, well, you know.RuprechtMonkey
Opinions are opinions. I know that's a hard concept to grasp when you're a 12 year old know-it-all. ;)
I really dug Oblivion, and I've been play the ES since Arena. WAY more ES fans (really though they weren't so much ES fans as they were hardcore Daggerfall fans) complained about Morrowind. The same thing happened with Oblivion and Morrowind fans.Monkey
How come it's always the Oblivion/Beth fanboys who say they've been playing since Arena?
There's nothing stopping Interplay from making a Fallout style game again, they don't need the "Fallout" name.Monkey
They don't have the money nor the means to start on a new franchise. They **** up their company by making half-assed Fallout games for the console kiddies.
PC fans didn't seem to whine NEARLY as much 9actually it was more like not at all) about the truly bad Fallout Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel spinoffs.Monkey
No, they did.
Bethesda is just an "easy" target these days for bored PC fanboys upset about losing exclusive titles, or titles that would've been exclusive to the PC had they been made 8 years ago.
Monkey
Wait, what? What are all these console guys doing saying they don't find Fallout 3 interesting then??
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Opinions are like, well, you know.VoodooGamer
Opinions are opinions. I know that's a hard concept to grasp when you're a 12 year old know-it-all. ;)
I really dug Oblivion, and I've been play the ES since Arena. WAY more ES fans (really though they weren't so much ES fans as they were hardcore Daggerfall fans) complained about Morrowind. The same thing happened with Oblivion and Morrowind fans.Monkey
How come it's always the Oblivion/Beth fanboys who say they've been playing since Arena?
There's nothing stopping Interplay from making a Fallout style game again, they don't need the "Fallout" name.Monkey
They don't have the money nor the means to start on a new franchise. They **** up their company by making half-assed Fallout games for the console kiddies.
PC fans didn't seem to whine NEARLY as much 9actually it was more like not at all) about the truly bad Fallout Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel spinoffs.Monkey
No, they did.
Bethesda is just an "easy" target these days for bored PC fanboys upset about losing exclusive titles, or titles that would've been exclusive to the PC had they been made 8 years ago.
Monkey
Wait, what? What are all these console guys doing saying they don't find Fallout 3 interesting then??
lol I love when people run out of ideas and make those random "yeah well you're a 12 years old kiddie" comments on the internets. You know you've truly won a debate when you hear those words come from the opponent's mouth. :)
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]While its going to be a great game, its going to be a horrible "FALLOUT" game. Vandalvideo
Yes, because Tactics and BoS were AWESOME!
The franchise, as well as the company that created it, were completely dead in the water before Bethesda bought the IP. That money allowed them to continue to breathe.
There is nothing stopping Interplay from making another turn based and isometric RPG while not using the Fallout name. It is just a name, get over it.
No one said that tactics and BOS were awesome, and way to ignore 90% of my post as well. Like I so clearly pointed out, we've pointed out in other threads dozens of times why this game is nothing like the originals. It doesn't matter if this is going to be a great game or not. Bethesda has changed the atmosphere, the gameplay, the dialogue, the storyline, pulp references, and countless other aspects of the game. This isn't fallout, its Oblivion with guns. And again, no one is saying Oblivion is bad or that this game will be bad. We're saying it is not faithful to Fallout. Nothing more, nothing less.So here's reality.
Eother Bethesda bought the rights to Fallout and made a Fallout game that was a drastic departure from the classic Fallout formula and is more oriented to the Bethesda style of game design OR the made a game similar in atmosphere without the Fallout name, and Interplay and the Fallout IP died off completely.
That's reality. So, what would you choose?
PC fans don't realize that Fallout WAS DEAD.If you don't like the idea of Bethesda developing a Bethesda style action RPG bearing the Fallout name then continue to treat it as it was before they bought the IP and treat the franchise as dead.
Again, there's nothing stopping Interplay from developing a Fallout-like game if there is a demand for one. What's in a name? Are you that concerned about a meaningless name? And the only thing that is allowing them to develop ANYTHING is the money from Bethesda's purchase.
Yes, because Tactics and BoS were AWESOME!RuprechtMonkey
You fail hard on this one.:lol:
The franchise, as well as the company that created it, were completely dead in the water before Bethesda bought the IP. That money allowed them to continue to breathe.Monkey
Get over yourself. Beth is **** up this once great franchise, you can't defend them just because they helped Interplay. :roll:
There is nothing stopping Interplay from making another turn based and isometric RPG while not using the Fallout name. It is just a name, get over it.Monkey
Well except this thing called money. Right now, they're building upon existing franchises to increase profit so that one day they can create new franchises. Right now they can't.
Didn't say there was anything "wrong" with it, it just wasn't anywhere close to being as good as the others.
Monkey
You never played the originals, how would you know?
[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Opinions are like, well, you know.death919
Opinions are opinions. I know that's a hard concept to grasp when you're a 12 year old know-it-all. ;)
I really dug Oblivion, and I've been play the ES since Arena. WAY more ES fans (really though they weren't so much ES fans as they were hardcore Daggerfall fans) complained about Morrowind. The same thing happened with Oblivion and Morrowind fans.Monkey
How come it's always the Oblivion/Beth fanboys who say they've been playing since Arena?
There's nothing stopping Interplay from making a Fallout style game again, they don't need the "Fallout" name.Monkey
They don't have the money nor the means to start on a new franchise. They **** up their company by making half-assed Fallout games for the console kiddies.
PC fans didn't seem to whine NEARLY as much 9actually it was more like not at all) about the truly bad Fallout Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel spinoffs.Monkey
No, they did.
Bethesda is just an "easy" target these days for bored PC fanboys upset about losing exclusive titles, or titles that would've been exclusive to the PC had they been made 8 years ago.
Monkey
Wait, what? What are all these console guys doing saying they don't find Fallout 3 interesting then??
lol I love when people run out of ideas and make those random "yeah well you're a 12 years old kiddie" comments on the internets. You know you've truly won a debate when you hear those words come from the opponent's mouth. :)
Well they are HILARIOUS. :lol:
Eother Bethesda bought the rights to Fallout and made a Fallout game that was a drastic departure from the classic Fallout formula and is more oriented to the Bethesda style of game design OR the made a game similar in atmosphere without the Fallout name, and Interplay and the Fallout IP died off completely.That's reality. So, what would you choose?PC fans don't realize that Fallout WAS DEAD.If you don't like the idea of Bethesda developing a Bethesda style action RPG bearing the Fallout name then continue to treat it as it was before they bought the IP and treat the franchise as deadRuprechtMonkeyReality? Reality doesn't change the concerns people are having with this game. People wouldn't be half as mad as they are now had Bethesda called this game Fallout: (Insert random subname). You have to realize that Bethesda avidly promoted the idea that "we are trying to stay faithful to the game" and they constantly carried themselves as they were actually trying. Time and time again, through countless interviews, they have illustrated that they simply don't understand the atmosphere and humour of the original titles. The "Fallout" name is more than just a name, more than just a brand, it is a SUB CULTURE. The second you realize that Fallout is a subculture you realize why people have such large concerns over this game. Bethesda is doing the sub culture an injustice by labeling this game the third entry in a franchise that has so many things that defines it. They are using the name simply for the sake of using the name. Not only that, but Black Isle had done a working model of what they wanted Fallout 3 to be like. Bethesda has spat in the face of every last fan of the original games. Its not so much that we think this game will be bad. We simply don't like that Bethesda has taken so many liberties with such a great franchise. They have changed practically everything that defines the series as what it is today. Its like the example I used earlier. What if they made a party game with the Halo name that focused on a female master chiefette that danced and partied with the convenant and called it Halo 4? You wouldn't be happy would you? THe second you realize these trappings is the second you will realize our reasoning.
So here's reality.Eother Bethesda bought the rights to Fallout and made a Fallout game that was a drastic departure from the classic Fallout formula and is more oriented to the Bethesda style of game design OR the made a game similar in atmosphere without the Fallout name, and Interplay and the Fallout IP died off completely.
That's reality. So, what would you choose?RuprechtMonkey
I'd rather Fallout to remain dead.
You never played the originals, how would you know?
VoodooGamer
You really need to stop assuming everyone who disagrees with you despises the PC and has never gamed on one.
I used to be a hardcore PC fan (before these forums even existed.) I still dig the PC, I'm just not an unreasonable fanboy, so that may seem alien to you.
Played those games to death, the original Half Life (and was playing HL against others online before stuff like CS existed) and Deus Ex are my favorite games of all time.
I remember pouring copious amounts of time into the original Arena. The joy of playing now forgotten games like Blood 2, Shogo, and being wowed by Unreal's visuals the first time I played it.
I most certainly played the original 2. Loved them. I consider them classics, just as I do games like BG2 and PT.
I just find these arguments against the games ridiculous.
The franchise and the company behind it WAS DEAD, COMPLETELY DEAD as was the company behind it.
Bethesda are "ruining" nothing. It was dead, you can't kill something that's dead. So, you're saying they revived it, and you're worried they'll re-kill it.
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]So here's reality.Eother Bethesda bought the rights to Fallout and made a Fallout game that was a drastic departure from the classic Fallout formula and is more oriented to the Bethesda style of game design OR the made a game similar in atmosphere without the Fallout name, and Interplay and the Fallout IP died off completely.
That's reality. So, what would you choose?bballm10
I'd rather Fallout to remain dead.
Then ignore it, and in your world it will (and you'll save yourself a headache.)
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