Sorny's Folly - Losses in the BILLIONS!!!

[QUOTE="CStheGreat"]

[QUOTE="Makari"]difference being, MS was cutting in on a new market and had to / expected to spend giant amounts of money.Makari

iirc now their gaming division is actually making money and they're not doing too badly against sony, which is pretty amazing.Makari

Microsoft is making money as is Sony. However, both companies are still in the red when it comes to their gaming division (overall).

and ms has an utterly gigantic os/software cushion to sit on. sony has.. i think their movie studios are profitable? i don't think the computer/television/music groups were doing all that greatMakari

Some links to show you my actual facts (and not random views I pulled out of nowhere):

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/sonys-game-division-turns-a-profit/

http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0514/sony.html

The TC is such a Sony hater and a Nintendo fanboy. He was the general of maintaining damage control against MGS4. Lyphe2k

Just look at this:

[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"][QUOTE="lvgaming"]

Anyone know how much M$ lost on the first Xbox? Or how they killed all support for it?

Anyone?

It's all part of the gaming industry that's why we pay $60 for a game on a DVD format or buy $40 for a wireless controller and then have to buy the play and charge kit. Almost everyone takes a hit from hardware and we get nickel'd & dimed on everything else. What happen to the days of two controllers, a game and a system? That's right Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo killed it.

jknight5422

Get some evidence to prove that. Otherwise, I don't believe that at all.

He thinks that sony is dead even after 2008 Q1 when they started profiting with the Ps3 and completely ignores the fact that "Softy" lost billions on the original xbox :roll:

Thats Nice, Check the link and there are many more, here at gs also, to prove that sony's gaming division is back on black ink.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/sonys-game-division-turns-a-profit/

The Ps3 was the most expensive system last year, and still it outsold the 360 by over 2 millions, It was a huge ownage here on System wars. The 360 needs more than just a few price cuts to beat the Ps3 in worldwide sales :lol:. If Forza, Halo3, Gears of war, Mass Effect etc etc didn't help the 360 to beat the Ps3 in worldwide sales what will? The 360 has been last in monthly sales for quite a while, look forward to June NPD figures and delightfully witness where the xbox360 is standing at.

AgentA-Mi6

Your key word being WORLDWIDE sales. I look at Nexgenwars & I see 21 mil Wii, 19 mil Xbox 360 & 9 mil PS3?? Those are the sales numbers. If America is the only market for the 360 then who cares about the other markets? Total sales show its dominance twice over on the PS3 WORLDWIDE or nation wide. :p

About time to go to sleep with all this swelling optimism inside me. :-)

He thinks that sony is dead even after 2008 Q1 when they started profiting with the Ps3 and completely ignores the fact that "Softy" lost billions on the original xbox :roll:

AgentA-Mi6

You're doing damage control. I've said 2-3 times already:

Repeating: Mr. Softy started with nothing & worked its way up through a pretty tough Japanese-locked console market, from the Xbox to the 360 (and Beyond)..

Repeating: Sorny was "On top of the world, Ma!" with PS2 & now it's toppling like King Kong off the Empire State Building.

The trend is crystal clear. How do you cows keep ignoring the upward success of Softy & the downward failure of Sorny?? I guess I'll need to sig it.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Thats Nice, Check the link and there are many more, here at gs also, to prove that sony's gaming division is back on black ink.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/sonys-game-division-turns-a-profit/

The Ps3 was the most expensive system last year, and still it outsold the 360 by over 2 millions, It was a huge ownage here on System wars. The 360 needs more than just a few price cuts to beat the Ps3 in worldwide sales :lol:. If Forza, Halo3, Gears of war, Mass Effect etc etc didn't help the 360 to beat the Ps3 in worldwide sales what will? The 360 has been last in monthly sales for quite a while, look forward to June NPD figures and delightfully witness where the xbox360 is standing at.

jknight5422

Your key word being WORLDWIDE sales. I look at Nexgenwars & I see 21 mil Wii, 19 mil Xbox 360 & 9 mil PS3?? Those are the sales numbers. If America is the only market for the 360 then who cares about the other markets? Total sales show its dominance twice over on the PS3 WORLDWIDE or nation wide. :p

About time to go to sleep with all this swelling optimism inside me. :-)

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Thats Nice, Check the link and there are many more, here at gs also, to prove that sony's gaming division is back on black ink.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/sonys-game-division-turns-a-profit/

The Ps3 was the most expensive system last year, and still it outsold the 360 by over 2 millions, It was a huge ownage here on System wars. The 360 needs more than just a few price cuts to beat the Ps3 in worldwide sales :lol:. If Forza, Halo3, Gears of war, Mass Effect etc etc didn't help the 360 to beat the Ps3 in worldwide sales what will? The 360 has been last in monthly sales for quite a while, look forward to June NPD figures and delightfully witness where the xbox360 is standing at.

jknight5422

Your key word being WORLDWIDE sales. I look at Nexgenwars & I see 21 mil Wii, 19 mil Xbox 360 & 9 mil PS3?? Those are the sales numbers. If America is the only market for the 360 then who cares about the other markets? Total sales show its dominance twice over on the PS3 WORLDWIDE or nation wide. :p

About time to go to sleep with all this swelling optimism inside me. :-)

Just to clarify things up before I leave as well

1- Nexgenwars = :lol:....:lol: xD (those are meaningless random numbers)

2- Microsoft is struggling to accomplish profitable healthy sales in all regions, selling well in the us and losing everywhere is the one reason why ms is going to end last in sales at this rate.

3- the Ps3 is catching up, there is no denial at this point.

4- lets wait for june NPD figures, :wink:, that'll be a fine example.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

He thinks that sony is dead even after 2008 Q1 when they started profiting with the Ps3 and completely ignores the fact that "Softy" lost billions on the original xbox :roll:

jknight5422

You're doing damage control. I've said 2-3 times already:

Repeating: Mr. Softy started with nothing & worked its way up through a pretty tough Japanese-locked console market, from the Xbox to the 360 (and Beyond)..

Repeating: Sorny was "On top of the world, Ma!" with PS2 & now it's toppling like King Kong off the Empire State Building.

The trend is crystal clear. How do you cows keep ignoring the upward success of Softy & the downward failure of Sorny?? I guess I'll need to sig it.

Sony made money from the get go on the Playstation and the Playstation 2. The Playstation 3 had a rocky start and it is starting to gain momentum (outselling the Xbox in America, Japan, Europe, and Worldwide as a whole).

The trend is crystal clear? What trend? Both companies are starting to gain more profits from their consoles, both companies have acquired debts from this generation. WTF are you talking about bro?

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Thats Nice, Check the link and there are many more, here at gs also, to prove that sony's gaming division is back on black ink.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/sonys-game-division-turns-a-profit/

The Ps3 was the most expensive system last year, and still it outsold the 360 by over 2 millions, It was a huge ownage here on System wars. The 360 needs more than just a few price cuts to beat the Ps3 in worldwide sales :lol:. If Forza, Halo3, Gears of war, Mass Effect etc etc didn't help the 360 to beat the Ps3 in worldwide sales what will? The 360 has been last in monthly sales for quite a while, look forward to June NPD figures and delightfully witness where the xbox360 is standing at.

jknight5422

Your key word being WORLDWIDE sales. I look at Nexgenwars & I see 21 mil Wii, 19 mil Xbox 360 & 9 mil PS3?? Those are the sales numbers. If America is the only market for the 360 then who cares about the other markets? Total sales show its dominance twice over on the PS3 WORLDWIDE or nation wide. :p

About time to go to sleep with all this swelling optimism inside me. :-)

NEXGENWARS????? you just prooved your a fanboy. i believe the ps3 is at 13 million. sony said and so does everyone else. do yourself a favor and never use nexgen wars again.

Microsoft worked it's way up from losing $4 billion dollars on the original Xbox to still losing money on the Xbox 360. One year of being in the black (whenever they reach that) doesn't make up for over $6 billion in acquired losses over 8 years.

Sony made money from the get go on the Playstation and the Playstation 2. The Playstation 3 had a rocky start and it is starting to gain momentum (outselling the Xbox in America, Japan, Europe, and Worldwide as a whole).

The trend is crystal clear? What trend? Both companies are starting to gain more profits from their consoles, both companies have acquired debts from this generation. WTF are you talking about bro?

CStheGreat

You just refuse to see it. Microsoft had to start at a loss to get in the console business! They've worked their way out of it, otherwise why would anyone state they are making this thing called "profit" from selling their consoles today? Whereas we look at the "mighty" PS3 & it's going right into $3 billion in losses...and counting! The 360 lowers it price ever more & this means MORE losses for Sorny for each console. Whatever profit they made on the PS1/2 is fuel for the PS3 fire.

But "Keep the Faith!", guy. After all, tomorrow is another day!

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

He thinks that sony is dead even after 2008 Q1 when they started profiting with the Ps3 and completely ignores the fact that "Softy" lost billions on the original xbox :roll:

jknight5422

You're doing damage control. I've said 2-3 times already:

Repeating: Mr. Softy started with nothing & worked its way up through a pretty tough Japanese-locked console market, from the Xbox to the 360 (and Beyond)..

Repeating: Sorny was "On top of the world, Ma!" with PS2 & now it's toppling like King Kong off the Empire State Building.

The trend is crystal clear. How do you cows keep ignoring the upward success of Softy & the downward failure of Sorny?? I guess I'll need to sig it.

Looks as if you're the only one not paying attention to the 'trends'. It's actually Microsoft that has been on a downward slope and Sony that has been on an upward swing. In its first two years the PS3 is outselling the 360 both years... The Wii is the market leader. But when it comes to the 360 and the PS3, the PS3 has the obvious momentum... especially since it's even outselling the 360 in North America now. Microsoft will have to fight back with price cuts if it hopes to gain momentum back.

NEXGENWARS????? you just prooved your a fanboy. i believe the ps3 is at 13 million. sony said and so does everyone else. do yourself a favor and never use nexgen wars again.

sireclaborn

No it doesn't. I didn't know the website was discredited. I've seen people reference it here without being attacked for it previously.

Bottom Line is this: $3 BILLION LOSS on PS3 sales! Does that mean anything to you? Or is that just another phony number?

Cow Damage control: talk about the Xbox in the past..despite the fact that the PS2 was a massive success at the time.

PS3 comes out..oh what happened? D'oh!

Looks as if you're the only one not paying attention to the 'trends'. It's actually Microsoft that has been on a downward slope and Sony that has been on an upward swing. In its first two years the PS3 is outselling the 360 both years... The Wii is the market leader. But when it comes to the 360 and the PS3, the PS3 has the obvious momentum... especially since it's even outselling the 360 in North America now. Microsoft will have to fight back with price cuts if it hopes to gain momentum back.

haze_blaze

You obviously know more about Sorny's profit loss than the Sorny itself making its report on the losses.:roll:

[QUOTE="CStheGreat"]

Microsoft worked it's way up from losing $4 billion dollars on the original Xbox to still losing money on the Xbox 360. One year of being in the black (whenever they reach that) doesn't make up for over $6 billion in acquired losses over 8 years.

Sony made money from the get go on the Playstation and the Playstation 2. The Playstation 3 had a rocky start and it is starting to gain momentum (outselling the Xbox in America, Japan, Europe, and Worldwide as a whole).

The trend is crystal clear? What trend? Both companies are starting to gain more profits from their consoles, both companies have acquired debts from this generation. WTF are you talking about bro?

jknight5422

You just refuse to see it. Microsoft had to start at a loss to get in the console business! They've worked their way out of it, otherwise why would anyone state they are making this thing called "profit" from selling their consoles today? Whereas we look at the "mighty" PS3 & it's going right into $3 billion in losses...and counting! The 360 lowers it price ever more & this means MORE losses for Sorny for each console. Whatever profit they made on the PS1/2 is fuel for the PS3 fire.

But "Keep the Faith!", guy. After all, tomorrow is another day!

The 360 has already lost $3 Billion this gen as well. And the PS3 is already on it's way to profitability as well. So unlike the xbox, they are not losing billions of dollars for an entire gen and a half. You can try to spin this news however you want... but the bottom line is that Microsoft has done much worse than Sony when it comes to the lack of profits. Even if you only look at the 360, at this point last year the 360 had lost $1.9 billion... the PS3 has only lost $1.2 billion in its 2nd year & still costs more to make... so Sony's still managing their process better than Microsoft did. And that's simply a fact, sorry.

[QUOTE="haze_blaze"]

Looks as if you're the only one not paying attention to the 'trends'. It's actually Microsoft that has been on a downward slope and Sony that has been on an upward swing. In its first two years the PS3 is outselling the 360 both years... The Wii is the market leader. But when it comes to the 360 and the PS3, the PS3 has the obvious momentum... especially since it's even outselling the 360 in North America now. Microsoft will have to fight back with price cuts if it hopes to gain momentum back.

jknight5422

You obviously know more about Sorny's profit loss than the Sorny itself making its report on the losses.:roll:

No, but I obviously no more than you. That comment had nothing to do with the profit/loss statement. You stated that Microsoft's console was on the rise & that Sony's was crumbling while trying to bash some cows for not paying attention to the trends... only problem is, you have your facts backwards. Current trends support Sony and market analysts are worried about 360 sales trends.

The 360 has already lost $3 Billion this gen as well. And the PS3 is already on it's way to profitability as well. So unlike the xbox, they are not losing billions of dollars for an entire gen and a half. You can try to spin this news however you want... but the bottom line is that Microsoft has done much worse than Sony when it comes to the lack of profits. Even if you only look at the 360, at this point last year the 360 had lost $1.9 billion... the PS3 has only lost $1.2 billion in its 2nd year & still costs more to make... so Sony's still managing their process better than Microsoft did. And that's simply a fact, sorry.

haze_blaze

You have no facts. No links. No data. Start posting those links or be awash in the quagmire of discredibility.

MS losses are around 5 Billionrocoswav

You can't just make up a number and say that's what you least favorite console maker loses.

No, but I obviously no more than you. That comment had nothing to do with the profit/loss statement. You stated that Microsoft's console was on the rise & that Sony's was crumbling while trying to bash some cows for not paying attention to the trends... only problem is, you have your facts backwards. Current trends support Sony and market analysts are worried about 360 sales trends.

haze_blaze

...Except how to spell KNOW.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Thats Nice, Check the link and there are many more, here at gs also, to prove that sony's gaming division is back on black ink.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/sonys-game-division-turns-a-profit/

The Ps3 was the most expensive system last year, and still it outsold the 360 by over 2 millions, It was a huge ownage here on System wars. The 360 needs more than just a few price cuts to beat the Ps3 in worldwide sales :lol:. If Forza, Halo3, Gears of war, Mass Effect etc etc didn't help the 360 to beat the Ps3 in worldwide sales what will? The 360 has been last in monthly sales for quite a while, look forward to June NPD figures and delightfully witness where the xbox360 is standing at.

jknight5422

Your key word being WORLDWIDE sales. I look at Nexgenwars & I see 21 mil Wii, 19 mil Xbox 360 & 9 mil PS3?? Those are the sales numbers. If America is the only market for the 360 then who cares about the other markets? Total sales show its dominance twice over on the PS3 WORLDWIDE or nation wide. :p

About time to go to sleep with all this swelling optimism inside me. :-)

I told you this once already,the PS3 is at 13 million sold worldwide,which Sony themselves have already stated.

[QUOTE="haze_blaze"]

The 360 has already lost $3 Billion this gen as well. And the PS3 is already on it's way to profitability as well. So unlike the xbox, they are not losing billions of dollars for an entire gen and a half. You can try to spin this news however you want... but the bottom line is that Microsoft has done much worse than Sony when it comes to the lack of profits. Even if you only look at the 360, at this point last year the 360 had lost $1.9 billion... the PS3 has only lost $1.2 billion in its 2nd year & still costs more to make... so Sony's still managing their process better than Microsoft did. And that's simply a fact, sorry.

jknight5422

You have no facts. No links. No data. Start posting those links or be awash in the quagmire of discredibility.

The links have already been posted in THIS thread... obviously you chose to ignore them :roll:.

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]So uh, does this mean that the big N is the only company to come out with a profit this generation? x_x I know Microsoft said they predicted they would start making a profit around 2009 (or was it 2010?) and now with Sony in the dumps... yeah.jknight5422

Mr. Softy, Ninty, & PC are all making the samolians. My theory is that Sorny killed itself by forcing the blu-ray onto everyone. They ate the cost to give you a "cheap" console...probably they were taking off $200-$300 off the price just to make it affordable!

And here is ze CHECK MATE: Mr. Softy is lowering their price. It's like the head shot from some incredible sniperery from the Master Chief.

With Mr. Softy lowering the cost, Sorny will have to lower its cost & lose even MORE money. Sorny will lose more money & will barely be able to break even with profit from the gaming dept. Lastly, even if Phatal Phartasy is a big hit when it's released, it's not going to be like Spore. It would have to be like Spore for Sorny to see it recoup its losses from the hardware.

I wonder if Sorny will go bankrupt? Ninty can buy it out.

Have you not heard of LittleBigPlanet?

Its like Spore, where you can create your own character, but not only that YOU CAN CREATE your own level in REAL TIME.

Look up some of the videos here and at other gaming sites to see the hype over LittleBigPlanet, that is a PS3 EXCLUSIVE.

[QUOTE="haze_blaze"]

The 360 has already lost $3 Billion this gen as well. And the PS3 is already on it's way to profitability as well. So unlike the xbox, they are not losing billions of dollars for an entire gen and a half. You can try to spin this news however you want... but the bottom line is that Microsoft has done much worse than Sony when it comes to the lack of profits. Even if you only look at the 360, at this point last year the 360 had lost $1.9 billion... the PS3 has only lost $1.2 billion in its 2nd year & still costs more to make... so Sony's still managing their process better than Microsoft did. And that's simply a fact, sorry.

jknight5422

You have no facts. No links. No data. Start posting those links or be awash in the quagmire of discredibility.

Once again, just to enjoy your ownage:

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/09/26/forbes-xbox-lost-microsoft-4-billion-and-counting/

And for the 360, a total of $3.17 Billion in losses already (1.28 in 06 and 1.89 in 07)

http://news.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029682,49291771,00.htm

Microsoft has lost much more money on their consoles than the PS3. And Sony cut their losses a lot quicker at this point in their system's life cycle. A remarkable feat considering that their machine cost much more to make.

[QUOTE="CStheGreat"]

Microsoft worked it's way up from losing $4 billion dollars on the original Xbox to still losing money on the Xbox 360. One year of being in the black (whenever they reach that) doesn't make up for over $6 billion in acquired losses over 8 years.

Sony made money from the get go on the Playstation and the Playstation 2. The Playstation 3 had a rocky start and it is starting to gain momentum (outselling the Xbox in America, Japan, Europe, and Worldwide as a whole).

The trend is crystal clear? What trend? Both companies are starting to gain more profits from their consoles, both companies have acquired debts from this generation. WTF are you talking about bro?

jknight5422

You just refuse to see it. Microsoft had to start at a loss to get in the console business! They've worked their way out of it, otherwise why would anyone state they are making this thing called "profit" from selling their consoles today? Whereas we look at the "mighty" PS3 & it's going right into $3 billion in losses...and counting! The 360 lowers it price ever more & this means MORE losses for Sorny for each console. Whatever profit they made on the PS1/2 is fuel for the PS3 fire.

But "Keep the Faith!", guy. After all, tomorrow is another day!

Next, Sony's losses on the PS3 are consistently being cut. They are selling more PS3's and PSP's as well as software for both systems than ever before. Sales of the PS2 are still going strong. They are consistently cutting their losses and I think by the end of the console's lifecycle, they will be several billion in the black. And just for your information, Microsoft has lost some $6-7 billion to date on the Xbox franchise....and counting!

Microsoft also really needs this new price drop because they are being outsold by the PS3 and the Wii on all fronts. I'm pretty sure you are just trolling, keep the faith, brother.

The reason is the price cuts are making it harder for Sony to pay the manufacturing costs on the PS3, and making a PS3 isn't cheap.

They can afford it after the success of the ps2 lol

Bump

No, I am not a Sony Fanboy, but this was just hilarious.

The reason they call it an Xbox360 is because, you buy it, you take it home, it breaks, you send it to Microsoft, and then the cycle just keeps on repeating!

Just to let you know, I have an Xbox 360 as well, and I am unbiased.

verbtex

Spoken like a true Sorny fanboy.

Have you not heard of LittleBigPlanet?

Its like Spore, where you can create your own character, but not only that YOU CAN CREATE your own level in REAL TIME.

Look up some of the videos here and at other gaming sites to see the hype over LittleBigPlanet, that is a PS3 EXCLUSIVE.

verbtex

I've seen it & it looks ridiculous. Spore is going to eat its lunch. Reason: Spore can play on all those non-gaming PCs out there so nobody has to pay $400-$600 for a Sorny console just to play one game. They can pay $50 & get started right away.

Once again, just to enjoy your ownage:

(link)

haze_blaze

I like how in this article (a 1 paragraph blurb btw) it states this:

"Xbox division isn't yet in the black, but "we've seen evidence to the contrary."

However, when I click on that link that article is missing! Then I read the comments & see nothing but cow rhetoric.

And for the 360, a total of $3.17 Billion in losses already (1.28 in 06 and 1.89 in 07)

(link)

Microsoft has lost much more money on their consoles than the PS3. And Sony cut their losses a lot quicker at this point in their system's life cycle. A remarkable feat considering that their machine cost much more to make.

haze_blaze

Well, guy, maybe we should blow this up into a bigger picture. You've already expanded the argument from Sorny losing $3 billion to Mr. Softy losing billions all the way back to the original Xbox. If what you say is true, that there has been a $5 billion loss for the Xbox/Xbox 360, let's ratio that to the market cap of each company.

As of today, Mr. Softy's Market Cap is 258.44 billion.

Sorny's Market Cap is 45.71 billion.

Now let's do the math.

Mr. Softy -> 5b/258.44b = 0.019. A 1.9% loss.

Sorny -> 3b/45.71b = 0.065. A 6.5% loss.

And also, I put 3 BILLION as Sorny's loss as you have hidden, or failed to provide, actual losses for the PS3 since it's launch in late 2006. An oversight on your part & I am just too lazy to go find it. Also there was no reason to go find it as even if you compare the entire losses of the original Xbox to the Xbox 360, spanning what, a 5-7 year time frame & just comparing that to Sorny's loss for this YEAR alone, you can see that Sorny has sucked up waay more cash compared to its cap than Mr. Softy has. For Mr. Softy, that's a drop in the bucket. Finally, as we move forward Mr. Softy's profits are going up.

Perhaps Mr. Softy will announce soon how much it has lost on the Xbox 360 this year, if it has any losses to report? Will it be $3 billion, if we compare ONLY THIS YEAR on losses between the two? I think not.

Self-ownage.. you wish!

So much for your spin on the Sorny money pit. Failed damage control.

I think this is more of an economic issue than something that actually says anything about the PS3. With project based economics it's not uncommon to depreciate the investment costs over the first few years of the project. This will result in red numbers. Than at a certain point the project breaks even (in terms of cumulative cash flow) and profits are being made. The 360 showed a similar behaviour. The Wii didn't; it turned a profit from day one. That could mean that the Wii isn't meant to last as long as both the PS3 and the 360, since making lots of money asap is typical to shorter projects, and it wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo would be further along with working on a new console than MS. NielsNL

If Sorny likes losing money so much maybe they should just drop the price of the PS3 to $200? That'll teach Mr. Softy a thing or two!

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]I think this is more of an economic issue than something that actually says anything about the PS3. With project based economics it's not uncommon to depreciate the investment costs over the first few years of the project. This will result in red numbers. Than at a certain point the project breaks even (in terms of cumulative cash flow) and profits are being made. The 360 showed a similar behaviour. The Wii didn't; it turned a profit from day one. That could mean that the Wii isn't meant to last as long as both the PS3 and the 360, since making lots of money asap is typical to shorter projects, and it wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo would be further along with working on a new console than MS. jknight5422

If Sorny likes losing money so much maybe they should just drop the price of the PS3 to $200? That'll teach Mr. Softy a thing or two!

How's that a reply to my post?

If Sorny likes losing money so much maybe they should just drop the price of the PS3 to $200? That'll teach Mr. Softy a thing or two!

jknight5422

Please stop bumping your own thread... no ones cares..... really...

The reason is the price cuts are making it harder for Sony to pay the manufacturing costs on the PS3, and making a PS3 isn't cheap.

snakes3425

This is why Sony is great; They take the hit and continue to support us, Dosn't affect the consumer...

Microsoft takes a hit, They cut you off completely (Xbox) or they make sure you (the consumer) take a hit as well (RROD)

LMAO

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

Have you not heard of LittleBigPlanet?

Its like Spore, where you can create your own character, but not only that YOU CAN CREATE your own level in REAL TIME.

Look up some of the videos here and at other gaming sites to see the hype over LittleBigPlanet, that is a PS3 EXCLUSIVE.

jknight5422

I've seen it & it looks ridiculous. Spore is going to eat its lunch. Reason: Spore can play on all those non-gaming PCs out there so nobody has to pay $400-$600 for a Sorny console just to play one game. They can pay $50 & get started right away.

How do you know they can play on non-gaming PCs? Show me evidence that the system requirements have been released and what the system requirements are.

Not only that but show me some article that shows that so many people have these PCs on which Spore can be placed on. You know, statistics of which computers have the available RAM space, and the overall harddrive space.

Are you sure of that price? How do you know its gonna be $50? Give me evidence.

What if people need to buy more RAM space to accommodate this game? That could cost them a lot depending on how much RAM they would need. I will agree though, it will still be cheaper than a PS3. But you have to remember, just because its cheaper doesn't necessarily mean its gonna be better, right?