so....why aren't the sheep freaking out that they finally got a AAA?

In the wider meta 'meta-game' everytime one site gives a Wii game a 9 another site will give it a 5 or 6. Part of the rules. That's why nearly all Wii games end up with 'Mixed or Average Reviews' on Metacritic. Nearly always the former.

You do know Little King Story, NSMBW, Silent Hill, Punch-Out and Boom Blox all recieved some AAA reviews?

In terms of ownage here, it means nothing untill GS scores it AAA.

I didn't know sheep still exist. :?jakarai

they are almost extinct

they should be called pandas

They were freaking out. I read like 5 threads for Tatsunoko and 5 for No more Heroes 2. But IGN is a garbage site with garbae reviewers so its not like their word means anything anyway.

ActicEdge

You beat me to the punch.

We are all waiting for Gamespot's review. :P

Because I pay more attention to word-of-mouth opinions from friends and family than I do to scores from reviewers that I do not personally know. I don't visit Gamespot to look at scores. I'm here for articles and news relating to the games that might interest me. My favorite reviews are those without scores. I just don't think that you can take something as intangible as a game experience and just slap a number on it to convey its value. Ideally, a review should provide a description of the pros & cons and allow the reader to decide what value a title might have to him or her.

Actual description using words & sentences>review score

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They were freaking out. I read like 5 threads for Tatsunoko and 5 for No more Heroes 2. But IGN is a garbage site with garbae reviewers so its not like their word means anything anyway.

SolidTy

You beat me to the punch.

We are all waiting for Gamespot's review. :P

The last remaining sheep and it's defenders will act like it's because sheep are somehow better gamers than cows/lemmings. They'll say because it's not all about AAA's and 'they care more about great games' and something cliche along those lines.

But the truth is there's barely a sheep population on these boards anymore so that's why theres no topics about the AAA.

The last remaining sheep and it's defenders will act like it's because sheep are somehow better gamers than cows/lemmings. They'll say because it's not all about AAA's and 'they care more about great games' and something cliche along those lines.

But the truth is there's barely a sheep population on these boards anymore so that's why theres no topics about the AAA.

GiantMuffin

probably becouse they are playing games, insted of arguing about them :P

There are no sheep left. They all either have another console, a good PC, or are smart enough to realize that arguing about games is a waste of time. :P

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]there's more to games than AAADycras

One because there are no sheep around, two because it doesn't count until GS reviews it.

They just got a AA from ign for no more heroes 2 when last time they gave an A while gamespot gave a AAA (which is good news for them), and now tatsunoko vs capcom got a AAA which is something they rarely get to see, so why aren't they freaking out?

Dycras

What I don't get is how you could possibly say that scores are completely meaningless in the context of System Wars. Maybe you don't need to use any one site, but to denounce all of them at once (even aggregate sites like GameRankings and Metacritic) is absolutely ludicrous. Since I hear this a lot from Wii fanboys, it just sounds like a poor excuse to defend how the games on the Wii have so much lower standards than those on other systems (handhelds and PC included).

It is fine if you personally don't use them at all, but in this forum and when speaking to other people about which game is better, this is the best (albeit flawed) tool we have to judge the quality of a game. Most of these sites are professionally run and have very select criteria for what is an AAA game as opposed to AA and they review hundreds, if not thousands of games and if you have the audacity to say that their reviews (even if averaged on Metacritic or GR) is completly irrelevant, then you better have a good explanation as to why they are irrelevant unless it is just as a I stated and you are merely trying to save face for your system of choice.

/rant

What I don't get is how you could possibly say that scores are completely meaningless in the context of System Wars. Maybe you don't need to use any one site, but to denounce all of them at once (even aggregate sites like GameRankings and Metacritic) is absolutely ludicrous. Since I hear this a lot from Wii fanboys, it just sounds like a poor excuse to defend how the games on the Wii have so much lower standards than those on other systems (handhelds and PC included).

It is fine if you personally don't use them at all, but in this forum and when speaking to other people about which game is better, this is the best (albeit flawed) tool we have to judge the quality of a game. Most of these sites are professionally run and have very select criteria for what is an AAA game as opposed to AA and they review hundreds, if not thousands of games and if you have the audacity to say that their reviews (even if averaged on Metacritic or GR) is completly irrelevant, then you better have a good explanation as to why they are irrelevant unless it is just as a I stated and you are merely trying to save face for your system of choice.

/rant

Sky-

What I don't get is how you could possibly say that scores are completely meaningless in the context of System Wars. Maybe you don't need to use any one site, but to denounce all of them at once (even aggregate sites like GameRankings and Metacritic) is absolutely ludicrous. Since I hear this a lot from Wii fanboys, it just sounds like a poor excuse to defend how the games on the Wii have so much lower standards than those on other systems (handhelds and PC included).

It is fine if you personally don't use them at all, but in this forum and when speaking to other people about which game is better, this is the best (albeit flawed) tool we have to judge the quality of a game. Most of these sites are professionally run and have very select criteria for what is an AAA game as opposed to AA and they review hundreds, if not thousands of games and if you have the audacity to say that their reviews (even if averaged on Metacritic or GR) is completly irrelevant, then you better have a good explanation as to why they are irrelevant unless it is just as a I stated and you are merely trying to save face for your system of choice.

/rant

Sky-

the standard argument is geting as old as the nostalgia argument

the truth behind this is that when this gen started, most gamers would say "wow that looks good for a wii game"

when the gameing community bacame obsessed with the technical side of graphics

the saying turned into "wow thats good for a wii game"

the whole setup dosent change the fact that mario galaxy blews every game out of the water review wise this gen.

or the fact that Okami as a ps2 game looks as good as games released this gen

HD might make the visuals more clear and sharp, but HD isnt a art direction

One because there are no sheep around, two because it doesn't count until GS reviews it.

789shadow

Using my staggering intellect and my 1337 lurking skills, I have been able to formulate this pattern. Wii Fanboys (keyword: fanboys) usually come out when:

• When a Wii game receives at least an A, it is like Christmas came early.
• Rumors and speculation about Mario, Metroid, or Zelda.
• *insert random niche game that no-one has ever heard about and hype the crap out of it* ..Nothing wrong with this, but at least provide some justification as to why the rest of us should share your enthusiasm.
• When there is a remake of a GC game. "Yay, I'll forget for a moment that there is next to no third party support and that Nintendo doesn't support the console for long stretches at a time!"
• When NPD sales numbers are released.

I am not trying to belittle the Wii, I think it is a decent console, but I get really irritated how certain people here try to blow these things off and act as if the Wii were a flawless system.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

One because there are no sheep around, two because it doesn't count until GS reviews it.

Sky-

Using my staggering intellect and my 1337 lurking skills, I have been able to formulate this pattern. Wii Fanboys (keyword: fanboys) usually come out when:

• When a Wii game receives at least an A, it is like Christmas came early.
• Rumors and speculation about Mario, Metroid, or Zelda.
• *insert random niche game that no-one has ever heard about and hype the crap out of it* ..Nothing wrong with this, but at least provide some justification as to why the rest of us should share your enthusiasm.
• When there is a remake of a GC game. "Yay, I'll forget for a moment that there is next to no third party support and that Nintendo doesn't support the console for long stretches at a time!"
• When NPD sales numbers are released.

I am not trying to belittle the Wii, I think it is a decent console, but I get really irritated how certain people here try to blow these things off and act as if the Wii were a flawless system.

you should see the list of other fanboys

cows list is big enough to make an own forum about it

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

One because there are no sheep around, two because it doesn't count until GS reviews it.

Sky-

Using my staggering intellect and my 1337 lurking skills, I have been able to formulate this pattern. Sheep (Wii Fanboys) usually come out when:

• When a Wii game receives at least an A, it is like Christmas came early.
• Rumors and speculation about Mario, Metroid, or Zelda.
• *insert random niche game that no-one has ever heard about and hype the crap out of it* ..Nothing wrong with this, but at least provide some justification as to why the rest of us should share your enthusiasm.
• When there is a remake of a GC game. "Yay, I'll forget for a moment that there is next to no third party support and that Nintendo doesn't support the console for long stretches at a time!"
• When NPD sales numbers are released.

I am not trying to belittle the Wii, I think it is a solid console, but I get really irritated how certain people here try to blow these things off and act as if the Wii were a flawless system.

Every system has a flaw, but the thing that ticks me off is the amount of Wii haters (not you) here in SW. They absolutely do not know what they are talking about.

the standard argument is geting as old as the nostalgia argument

the truth behind this is that when this gen started, most gamers would say "wow that looks good for a wii game"

when the gameing community bacame obsessed with the technical side of graphics

the saying turned into "wow thats good for a wii game"

the whole setup dosent change the fact that mario galaxy blews every game out of the water review wise this gen.

or the fact that Okami as a ps2 game looks as good as games released this gen

HD might make the visuals more clear and sharp, but HD isnt a art direction

Half-Way

Super Mario Galaxy, even if it gets perfect scores at every site, is not enough to support a console. Whether it be on the Wii or some other console, graphics or even a great artstyIe does not necessarily mean that it will be a good game. Graphics are only part of the picture, what I am concerned about is both the quantity and supposed quality of these Wii games. Nintendo first party support hasn't been as great as previous gens (in sheer number of games) and is nowhere near enough to support a console single-handedly. As for the clueless third-parties on the system, every time they decide to release a Wii title, there is almost always a catch.

For example, we are getting a new Resident Evil game! Oh, it's a rail shooter.

Cool, Modern Warfare Reflex is coming to Wii! Oh, it's two years late and is still missng modes.

etc. etc. etc.

Every system has a flaw, but the thing that ticks me off is the amount of Wii haters (not you) here in SW. They absolutely do not know what they are talking about.

Pices

You can't account for all of the fanboys out there, but you should pay attention to the people that are against the Wii and actually justify their opinion.

They just got a AA from ign for no more heroes 2 when last time they gave an A while gamespot gave a AAA (which is good news for them), and now tatsunoko vs capcom got a AAA which is something they rarely get to see, so why aren't they freaking out?

Dycras

They were freaking out. I read like 5 threads for Tatsunoko and 5 for No more Heroes 2. But IGN is a garbage site with garbae reviewers so its not like their word means anything anyway.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

the standard argument is geting as old as the nostalgia argument

the truth behind this is that when this gen started, most gamers would say "wow that looks good for a wii game"

when the gameing community bacame obsessed with the technical side of graphics

the saying turned into "wow thats good for a wii game"

the whole setup dosent change the fact that mario galaxy blews every game out of the water review wise this gen.

or the fact that Okami as a ps2 game looks as good as games released this gen

HD might make the visuals more clear and sharp, but HD isnt a art direction

Sky-

Super Mario Galaxy, even if it gets perfect scores at every site, is not enough to support a console. Whether it be on the Wii or some other console, graphics or even a great artstyIe does not necessarily mean that it will be a good game. Graphics are only part of the picture, what I am concerned about is both the quantity and supposed quality of these Wii games. Nintendo first party support hasn't been as great as previous gens (in sheer number of games) and is nowhere near enough to support a console single-handedly. As for the clueless third-parties on the system, every time they decide to release a Wii title, there is almost always a catch.

For example, we are getting a new Resident Evil game! Oh, it's a rail shooter.

Cool, Modern Warfare Reflex is coming to Wii! Oh, it's two years late and is still missng modes.

etc. etc. etc.

Every system has a flaw, but the thing that ticks me off is the amount of Wii haters (not you) here in SW. They absolutely do not know what they are talking about.

Pices

You can't account for all of the fanboys out there, but you should pay attention to the people that are against the Wii and actually justify their opinion.

Their opinion never makes sense or it has been refuted several times. And Modern Warfare Reflex isn't missing any maps or modes, that is why I bought it

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

the standard argument is geting as old as the nostalgia argument

the truth behind this is that when this gen started, most gamers would say "wow that looks good for a wii game"

when the gameing community bacame obsessed with the technical side of graphics

the saying turned into "wow thats good for a wii game"

the whole setup dosent change the fact that mario galaxy blews every game out of the water review wise this gen.

or the fact that Okami as a ps2 game looks as good as games released this gen

HD might make the visuals more clear and sharp, but HD isnt a art direction

Sky-

Super Mario Galaxy, even if it gets perfect scores at every site, is not enough to support a console. Whether it be on the Wii or some other console, graphics or even a great artstyIe does not necessarily mean that it will be a good game. Graphics are only part of the picture, what I am concerned about is both the quantity and supposed quality of these Wii games. Nintendo first party support hasn't been as great as previous gens (in sheer number of games) and is nowhere near enough to support a console single-handedly. As for the clueless third-parties on the system, every time they decide to release a Wii title, there is almost always a catch.

For example, we are getting a new Resident Evil game! Oh, it's a rail shooter.

Cool, Modern Warfare Reflex is coming to Wii! Oh, it's two years late and is still missng modes.

etc. etc. etc.

Every system has a flaw, but the thing that ticks me off is the amount of Wii haters (not you) here in SW. They absolutely do not know what they are talking about.

Pices

You can't account for all of the fanboys out there, but you should pay attention to the people that are against the Wii and actually justify their opinion.

thats what your summing up right now, 1 part of the picture

why do you think people like the wii then?

if it was that bad it would never have sold milions.

you can argue as much as you want, but you wont change the fact that people have diffrent tastes

some like generic shooters, some like rehased sequels, like zelda, call of duty or god of war

the things we are defending are as bad as the things we hate,

its all just 1 opinion, 1 argument for, 1 argument agenst

Because I haven't even played either of them yet (getting both on tuesday)

Then, if someone makes a thread about how awesome they are, I might comment

i don't know why people care about scores, i just rely on gameplay videos to determine if i'll like the game enough to get it. themagicbum9720

'Cause they're quiet.

And if you ask me, it's better that way. Any vocal fanboy is nothing more than an annoyance.

Wii owners buy games, not scores. They're not like lemmings and cows.Pices

Nice generalization. Clearly,360 and PS3 owners buy scores,not games.

[QUOTE="Pices"]Wii owners buy games, not scores. They're not like lemmings and cows.VGobbsesser

Nice generalization. Clearly,360 and PS3 owners buy scores,not games.

Wii owners buy games, not scores. They're not like lemmings and cows.Pices

Nice generalization. Clearly,360 and PS3 owners buy scores,not games.

And why do I see cows and lemmings brag about scores the whole time?Pices

And Wii owners don't brag?

the problem is one site can score a Wii game a 5 while the other will score the same game in the 7 8 or even 9's. You don't see that on other platforms.VideoGameGuy

You do, especially on the PC, but seldom for the big mainstream titles.

There are two theories here.

Either there are certain people who score Wii games badly (not a site based prejudice, but individual reviewers). This doesn't explain the mixed reviews that some non-mainstream titles get on the PC.

Or there is a sort of game site consensus about what sort of game is 'good'. Some suggest pay-offs or fear of losing advertising, but I think it is more subconcious than that.

Controller issues can play a part with Motion Controls, but this is unprofessional. I can't play rythm games so I wouldn't review them. When you see the same Wii game lauded and condemned for its motion controls 'lazy' is the word that comes to mind.

If someone did a list of every Wii game that recieved a 9/10 somewhere respectable then I think it would stack up pretty well against other systems.

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]

Nice generalization. Clearly,360 and PS3 owners buy scores,not games.

toast_burner

How does that answer my question?

[QUOTE="Pices"] And why do I see cows and lemmings brag about scores the whole time?VGobbsesser

And Wii owners don't brag?

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]

[QUOTE="Pices"] And why do I see cows and lemmings brag about scores the whole time?Pices

And Wii owners don't brag?

...So you admit that there are Wii owners that do brag?

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]

And Wii owners don't brag?

...So you admit that there are Wii owners that do brag?

Never saw one yet because all I see are cows and lemmingsPices

Okay,here's one.

And why do I see cows and lemmings brag about scores the whole time?Pices

Please, sheep would be doing the same thing if they had the games to brag about. You are already seeing this with the IGN reviews of Tatsunoko vs. Capcom and No More Heroes 2.

It is the curse of third party developers on the Wii. Make a good game? Good luck getting people to buy it.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Pices"]And why do I see cows and lemmings brag about scores the whole time?Sky-

Please, sheep would be doing the same thing if they had the games to brag about. You are already seeing this with the IGN reviews of Tatsunoko vs. Capcom and No More Heroes 2.