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#1 Berserker_2
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Which company has made the most redesigns to their consoles and then sold them at a higher price?

 

Nintendo!

 

Every single handheld has had multiple iterations.  The lastest is the DS Lite.

Then there's the GameCube. You can now purchase a small white GameCube for $250! Nintendo renamed it to "Wii".

 

Where are all of the Sheep complaining about these redesigns?

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#2 XaosII
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If people didn't want em people wouldn't buy em.
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#3 Kaze_no_Mirai
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GameBoy Advance => GameBoy Advance SP was a REALLY good change, and the price difference wasnt so big. The micro is another story. DS => DS lite made the screen a lot brighter and easier to carry. As for your GameCube to Wii.. :|
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Which company has made the most redesigns to their consoles and then sold them at a higher price?

 

Nintendo!

 

Every single handheld has had multiple iterations.  The lastest is the DS Lite.

Then there's the GameCube. You can now purchase a small white GameCube for $250! Nintendo renamed it to "Wii".

 

Where are all of the Sheep complaining about these redesigns?

Berserker_2

First of all the Wii is not a redesign GC, secondly tell that to the cows and not pick on the sheep. That's really low

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#5 t2wave
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You use the DS Lite as an example yet it costed no more than the first.
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#6 foxhound_fox
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If people did not want them, then why do they sell so well?
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#7 Acemaster27
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Redesigns are fun!!!1
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#8 ArisShadows
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If people did not want them, then why do they sell so well?foxhound_fox
Bingo.
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#9 Berserker_2
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If people didn't want em people wouldn't buy em.XaosII
I agree. But there seems to be some hypocrisy in this thread. Not only does Nintendo redesign their products often, but they discontinue the earlier designs. The Sheep happily go buy the latest model. The Wii is the epitome of a pure cash-in for Nintendo. The Sheep are elated that Nintendo makes a large profit on each Wii. But when some other company makes a new design, they mock it.
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#10 REVOLUTIONfreak
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The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about?  Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.
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In my opinion, worst version of a handheld ever was the micro.....what a useless handheld, no better than the SP....
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#12 Berserker_2
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If people did not want them, then why do they sell so well?foxhound_fox
I never said that people don't want them. I was saying that Sheep are hypocritical.
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#13 foxhound_fox
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I agree. But there seems to be some hypocrisy in this thread. Not only does Nintendo redesign their products often, but they discontinue the earlier designs. The Sheep happily go buy the latest model. The Wii is the epitome of a pure cash-in for Nintendo. The Sheep are elated that Nintendo makes a large profit on each Wii. But when some other company makes a new design, they mock it.Berserker_2


If I owned a DS Phat, I would not have got a DS Lite. Speaking of which, I need to get a DS and PSP. But I guess I need money.
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#14 Kaze_no_Mirai
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]If people didn't want em people wouldn't buy em.Berserker_2
I agree. But there seems to be some hypocrisy in this thread. Not only does Nintendo redesign their products often, but they discontinue the earlier designs. The Sheep happily go buy the latest model. The Wii is the epitome of a pure cash-in for Nintendo. The Sheep are elated that Nintendo makes a large profit on each Wii. But when some other company makes a new design, they mock it.

The Wii is a redisgn of the GameCube?
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Why bring up Nintendo? Its the Cows that are dissing on the Elite for the most part.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If people did not want them, then why do they sell so well?Berserker_2
I never said that people don't want them. I was saying that Sheep are hypocritical.

Only if they criticise Microsoft about the Elite.

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#17 ArisShadows
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]I agree. But there seems to be some hypocrisy in this thread. Not only does Nintendo redesign their products often, but they discontinue the earlier designs. The Sheep happily go buy the latest model. The Wii is the epitome of a pure cash-in for Nintendo. The Sheep are elated that Nintendo makes a large profit on each Wii. But when some other company makes a new design, they mock it.foxhound_fox


If I owned a DS Phat, I would not have got a DS Lite. Speaking of which, I need to get a DS and PSP. But I guess I need money.

Just bought one!
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="XaosII"]If people didn't want em people wouldn't buy em.Kaze_no_Mirai
I agree. But there seems to be some hypocrisy in this thread. Not only does Nintendo redesign their products often, but they discontinue the earlier designs. The Sheep happily go buy the latest model. The Wii is the epitome of a pure cash-in for Nintendo. The Sheep are elated that Nintendo makes a large profit on each Wii. But when some other company makes a new design, they mock it.

The Wii is a redisgn of the GameCube?

He was being sarcastic in a not-so-funny way.... I hope your being sarcastic too. Wii is a new platform, get over the "it's teh GCN 1.5!" crap and face reality. Overhauled specs isn't clearly defined as being a new platform, but even if it were Wii would still be a new platform anyway because it does have an upgrade in specs. Wii is absolutely nothing like the GCN in hardware. It's shaped differently, has a unique more free interface, has the Wiimote, new specs, Wi-Fi, and you can't forget the self-loading drive that lights up.
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#19 ArisShadows
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Why bring up Nintendo? Its the Cows that are dissing on the Elite for the most part. gromit007
To divert attention from themselves.. Can't take the heat, stay out of SW!
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#20 Berserker_2
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The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about? Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.REVOLUTIONfreak
They didn't "cost more" but they were redesigned to maintain a high price. But the Wii is an expensive GameCube. You can argue that it has a little more memory and a little higher speed (if we believe the rumored specs), but it is a modified GameCube for $250.
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In my opinion, worst version of a handheld ever was the micro.....what a useless handheld, no better than the SP....lilrush
Probably would agree with you on that.
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#22 88Ghost89
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The DS Lite costed the same as the DS Phat, and didn't have feature that were overly compeling to make you buy it. It was mainly a cosmetic change. Same with the Gameboy Advanced and SP. The Gamecube and Wii thing I know your joking and it's just you being a douch.
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[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about? Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.Berserker_2
They didn't "cost more" but they were redesigned to maintain a high price. But the Wii is an expensive GameCube. You can argue that it has a little more memory and a little higher speed (if we believe the rumored specs), but it is a modified GameCube for $250.

Part of the reason Wii costs $250 isn't Nintendo's fault.... it's retailers. If my memory is correct retailers whined to Nintendo about the console's initial $200 price because they'd make little to no profit on the machine, so Nintendo bumped up the price and at that point probably included Wii Sports in the bundle. Why are people so eager to pick on Nintendo? What did Nintendo do to you? How exactly do you dislike Nintendo when they have been making timeless classics for over 20 years, and have produced some great memories for mostly all of us as kids and adults.
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#24 Kaze_no_Mirai
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[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about? Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.Berserker_2
They didn't "cost more" but they were redesigned to maintain a high price. But the Wii is an expensive GameCube. You can argue that it has a little more memory and a little higher speed (if we believe the rumored specs), but it is a modified GameCube for $250.

DS phat = 150 at launch. DS lite = 130 at launch. With better hardware. :| The Xbox 360 is just an upgrade of an Xbox. OMG modified Xbox!!11
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Why bring up Nintendo? Its the Cows that are dissing on the Elite for the most part. gromit007

The Elite is bad, bad news for cows, that's why.

Think about it.  If Microsoft felt at all threatened by the PS3, they'd be implementing a price drop.  Instead, they feel so confident that they're effectively initiating a price increase.  They know that Sony isn't really serious about shipping the $500 PS3, so the Elite doesn't really have competition at its price point.

In short, the Xbox 360 Elite says louder than words that Microsoft thinks that PS3 is doomed, so they don't have to take it seriously.

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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about? Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.Kaze_no_Mirai
They didn't "cost more" but they were redesigned to maintain a high price. But the Wii is an expensive GameCube. You can argue that it has a little more memory and a little higher speed (if we believe the rumored specs), but it is a modified GameCube for $250.

DS phat = 150 at launch. DS lite = 130 at launch. With better hardware. :| The Xbox 360 is just an upgrade of an Xbox. OMG modified Xbox!!11

Heh, that's a good point. At least Nintendo has had a price drop since the DS' release. In fact it took Nintendo only about 4 months to reduce the DS' price, it's been what? A year and a half almost and still no 360 price drop? In fact, we technically got a price increase.
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[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about? Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.REVOLUTIONfreak
They didn't "cost more" but they were redesigned to maintain a high price. But the Wii is an expensive GameCube. You can argue that it has a little more memory and a little higher speed (if we believe the rumored specs), but it is a modified GameCube for $250.

DS phat = 150 at launch. DS lite = 130 at launch. With better hardware. :| The Xbox 360 is just an upgrade of an Xbox. OMG modified Xbox!!11

Heh, that's a good point. At least Nintendo has had a price drop since the DS' release. In fact it took Nintendo only about 4 months to reduce the DS' price, it's been what? A year and a half almost and still no 360 price drop? In fact, we technically got a price increase.

Instead they bundle games that not everyone wants.

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#28 ArisShadows
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[QUOTE="gromit007"]Why bring up Nintendo? Its the Cows that are dissing on the Elite for the most part. Iyethar

The Elite is bad, bad news for cows, that's why.

Think about it.  If Microsoft felt at all threatened by the PS3, they'd be implementing a price drop.  Instead, they feel so confident that they're effectively initiating a price increase.  They know that Sony isn't really serious about shipping the $500 PS3, so the Elite doesn't really have competition at its price point.

In short, the Xbox 360 Elite says louder than words that Microsoft thinks that PS3 is doomed, so they don't have to take it seriously.

I got a 360 Prenium, and have no plans in getting the Elite. It pretty much people want to use the 360 alot more than normal inviduals.. Hardcores of Harcores.
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#29 ArisShadows
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[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about? Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.88Ghost89

They didn't "cost more" but they were redesigned to maintain a high price. But the Wii is an expensive GameCube. You can argue that it has a little more memory and a little higher speed (if we believe the rumored specs), but it is a modified GameCube for $250.

DS phat = 150 at launch. DS lite = 130 at launch. With better hardware. :| The Xbox 360 is just an upgrade of an Xbox. OMG modified Xbox!!11

Heh, that's a good point. At least Nintendo has had a price drop since the DS' release. In fact it took Nintendo only about 4 months to reduce the DS' price, it's been what? A year and a half almost and still no 360 price drop? In fact, we technically got a price increase.

Instead they bundle games that not everyone wants.

Bundled what?
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[QUOTE="88Ghost89"]

[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about? Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.ArisShadows

They didn't "cost more" but they were redesigned to maintain a high price. But the Wii is an expensive GameCube. You can argue that it has a little more memory and a little higher speed (if we believe the rumored specs), but it is a modified GameCube for $250.

DS phat = 150 at launch. DS lite = 130 at launch. With better hardware. :| The Xbox 360 is just an upgrade of an Xbox. OMG modified Xbox!!11

Heh, that's a good point. At least Nintendo has had a price drop since the DS' release. In fact it took Nintendo only about 4 months to reduce the DS' price, it's been what? A year and a half almost and still no 360 price drop? In fact, we technically got a price increase.

Instead they bundle games that not everyone wants.

Bundled what?

My thoughts exactly :?
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[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about? Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.Berserker_2
They didn't "cost more" but they were redesigned to maintain a high price. But the Wii is an expensive GameCube. You can argue that it has a little more memory and a little higher speed (if we believe the rumored specs), but it is a modified GameCube for $250.

It has a different and more powerful CPU, GPU, different and larger amounts of system memory, built-in wifi, compatibility with SD card slots, a half-gig of user memory so it doesn't use memory cards like the GameCube did. It's primary disk are more like DVDs while the GameCube had those small discs. The control is completely different with motion-sensing, built-in speaker, and built-in memory. It has a different color, a different shape, and is much smaller. It actually has a competent user interface with it's channels and gives you the ability to check the weather, news, browse the internet and download classic games, all things the Cube never could do. You and everyone else who brings up this topic is being totally ignorant and are in denial. If anything the Xbox 360 is more like the Xbox then the Wii is like the Game Cube, the wii-mote alone makes that so.
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[QUOTE="88Ghost89"]

[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about? Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.ArisShadows

They didn't "cost more" but they were redesigned to maintain a high price. But the Wii is an expensive GameCube. You can argue that it has a little more memory and a little higher speed (if we believe the rumored specs), but it is a modified GameCube for $250.

DS phat = 150 at launch. DS lite = 130 at launch. With better hardware. :| The Xbox 360 is just an upgrade of an Xbox. OMG modified Xbox!!11

Heh, that's a good point. At least Nintendo has had a price drop since the DS' release. In fact it took Nintendo only about 4 months to reduce the DS' price, it's been what? A year and a half almost and still no 360 price drop? In fact, we technically got a price increase.

Instead they bundle games that not everyone wants.

Bundled what?

They bundle games with the console...like awhile they had project gotham, and the have doom 3 now or something...? Iuno it's always changing, I usually never like what they bundle, Id rather a price drop and I buy the games I want.

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Why bring up Nintendo? Its the Cows that are dissing on the Elite for the most part. gromit007
The Cows don't repeatedly buy redesigns over-and-over. Also, look at some of the comments coming from Sheep in this topic and SW thread.
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If people did not want them, then why do they sell so well?Iyethar

I never said that people don't want them. I was saying that Sheep are hypocritical.

Only if they criticise Microsoft about the Elite.

True. And they have. I could provide links, but you can easily find them yourself in this thread.
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#35 Iyethar
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[QUOTE="Iyethar"]

[QUOTE="gromit007"]Why bring up Nintendo? Its the Cows that are dissing on the Elite for the most part. ArisShadows

The Elite is bad, bad news for cows, that's why.

Think about it. If Microsoft felt at all threatened by the PS3, they'd be implementing a price drop. Instead, they feel so confident that they're effectively initiating a price increase. They know that Sony isn't really serious about shipping the $500 PS3, so the Elite doesn't really have competition at its price point.

In short, the Xbox 360 Elite says louder than words that Microsoft thinks that PS3 is doomed, so they don't have to take it seriously.

I got a 360 Prenium, and have no plans in getting the Elite. It pretty much people want to use the 360 alot more than normal inviduals.. Hardcores of Harcores.

Or people who haven't bought a 360 yet. 

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#36 Iyethar
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[QUOTE="Iyethar"]

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If people did not want them, then why do they sell so well?Berserker_2

I never said that people don't want them. I was saying that Sheep are hypocritical.

Only if they criticise Microsoft about the Elite.

True. And they have. I could provide links, but you can easily find them yourself in this thread.

Then those sheep are being hypocritical.  That's no reason for making a blanket statement like"Sheep are hypocritical", even in summary.  Got to keep those qualifiers in.  "Sheep have no room to talk about the Elite" would be a good one.

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[QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Iyethar"]

[QUOTE="gromit007"]Why bring up Nintendo? Its the Cows that are dissing on the Elite for the most part. Iyethar

The Elite is bad, bad news for cows, that's why.

Think about it. If Microsoft felt at all threatened by the PS3, they'd be implementing a price drop. Instead, they feel so confident that they're effectively initiating a price increase. They know that Sony isn't really serious about shipping the $500 PS3, so the Elite doesn't really have competition at its price point.

In short, the Xbox 360 Elite says louder than words that Microsoft thinks that PS3 is doomed, so they don't have to take it seriously.

I got a 360 Prenium, and have no plans in getting the Elite. It pretty much people want to use the 360 alot more than normal inviduals.. Hardcores of Harcores.

Or people who haven't bought a 360 yet. 

True, but that doesnt mean that people won't still be buying the middle one the most.
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[QUOTE="Iyethar"]

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If people did not want them, then why do they sell so well?Berserker_2

I never said that people don't want them. I was saying that Sheep are hypocritical.

Only if they criticise Microsoft about the Elite.

True. And they have. I could provide links, but you can easily find them yourself in this thread.

What's with all of the stereotypes on forums? It gets old... there are no more hypocritical sheep than there are cows or lemmings. ie. Lemmings hope for Oblivion to succeed on 360 when it was released, praise it for months, and then bash it once the PS3 gets the game.
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#39 Iyethar
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[QUOTE="gromit007"]Why bring up Nintendo? Its the Cows that are dissing on the Elite for the most part. Berserker_2
The Cows don't repeatedly buy redesigns over-and-over. Also, look at some of the comments coming from Sheep in this topic and SW thread.

I haven't looked in the other thread but honestly there isn't really any Elite-bashing to speak of in here. 

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#40 darth-pyschosis
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Which company has made the most redesigns to their consoles and then sold them at a higher price?

 

Nintendo!

 

Every single handheld has had multiple iterations.  The lastest is the DS Lite.

Then there's the GameCube. You can now purchase a small white GameCube for $250! Nintendo renamed it to "Wii".

 

Where are all of the Sheep complaining about these redesigns?

Berserker_2

PS1-redesigned

PS2-redesigned

PSP-Soon to be redesigned

Well, naturally companies redesign succsessful products because there, well succsessful.

I don't know what there is to complain about.

And by your logic the PS3 is a redesigned PS2 and the same with the 360/Xbox

Wii has: Wi-Fi gaming, Internet access, Weather,News, MP3 Playback, Video playback and editing, Photo editing, Messaging, Text Messaging, Bluetooth Wireless Motion Sensitive Controllers, 2 times the power of the GameCube, 480p ED, Exclusive franchise such as: Resident Evil UC, Mario titles, Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, DRAGON QUEST

GameCube had: Umm, Nintendo franchises,.... Wireless Wavebird controller.

The Wii is very different from the GC. If you weren't a fanboy and owned both the consoles you'd understand this.

If you're not used to companies repackaging older updated products with better features than well,... don't you understand the terms "last-gen" and "next-gen"?

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[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="XaosII"]If people didn't want em people wouldn't buy em.REVOLUTIONfreak
I agree. But there seems to be some hypocrisy in this thread. Not only does Nintendo redesign their products often, but they discontinue the earlier designs. The Sheep happily go buy the latest model. The Wii is the epitome of a pure cash-in for Nintendo. The Sheep are elated that Nintendo makes a large profit on each Wii. But when some other company makes a new design, they mock it.

The Wii is a redisgn of the GameCube?

He was being sarcastic in a not-so-funny way.... I hope your being sarcastic too. Wii is a new platform, get over the "it's teh GCN 1.5!" crap and face reality. Overhauled specs isn't clearly defined as being a new platform, but even if it were Wii would still be a new platform anyway because it does have an upgrade in specs. Wii is absolutely nothing like the GCN in hardware. It's shaped differently, has a unique more free interface, has the Wiimote, new specs, Wi-Fi, and you can't forget the self-loading drive that lights up.

The simple truth about the Wii is that it was born from a slimmer GameCube. The Xbox 360 was coming years earlier than expected and Nintendo panicked. They were in the middle of a GameCube iteration and decided to pass it off as a new console. How do I know this? The CPU is an over-clocked Gekko. It is the very same CPU. No console is history shared the same CPU as it's predecessor. The size of the Wii is another indication. If it used all new parts, they would be much larger, but instead they took the existing GameCube design, and shrunk it.
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[QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Iyethar"]

[QUOTE="gromit007"]Why bring up Nintendo? Its the Cows that are dissing on the Elite for the most part. ArisShadows

The Elite is bad, bad news for cows, that's why.

Think about it. If Microsoft felt at all threatened by the PS3, they'd be implementing a price drop. Instead, they feel so confident that they're effectively initiating a price increase. They know that Sony isn't really serious about shipping the $500 PS3, so the Elite doesn't really have competition at its price point.

In short, the Xbox 360 Elite says louder than words that Microsoft thinks that PS3 is doomed, so they don't have to take it seriously.

I got a 360 Prenium, and have no plans in getting the Elite. It pretty much people want to use the 360 alot more than normal inviduals.. Hardcores of Harcores.

Or people who haven't bought a 360 yet.

True, but that doesnt mean that people won't still be buying the middle one the most.

Agreed, I was just saying that I think that more Elites will go to new customers than to upgraders. But the ones that do go to upgraders quite frequently will cause the old system to enter the market as used, expanding the userbase. Nintendo's been using this trick for years, because it gets results. Microsoft is making a good move with the Elite.

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[QUOTE="gromit007"]Why bring up Nintendo? Its the Cows that are dissing on the Elite for the most part. ArisShadows
To divert attention from themselves.. Can't take the heat, stay out of SW!

I'm not taking heat. I'm dishing it out.
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The simple truth about the Wii is that it was born from a slimmer GameCube. The Xbox 360 was coming years earlier than expected and Nintendo panicked. They were in the middle of a GameCube iteration and decided to pass it off as a new console. How do I know this? The CPU is an over-clocked Gekko. It is the very same CPU. No console is history shared the same CPU as it's predecessor. The size of the Wii is another indication. If it used all new parts, they would be much larger, but instead they took the existing GameCube design, and shrunk it.Berserker_2
Honestly, I'm surprised that you would pass of your theories as cold hard fact. Why cant you believe that their plan all along was to make a Wii and not a powerhouse?
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you know, i can easily sue you right now by saying that I put a wii disc in my gamecube only to make it break because you told me that a wii and gamecube are the same thing where's my $50?
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]The DS Lite doesn't cost anymore than the original, so what exactly are you talking about? Even the GBA SP I think stayed at the same price as the original model.REVOLUTIONfreak
They didn't "cost more" but they were redesigned to maintain a high price. But the Wii is an expensive GameCube. You can argue that it has a little more memory and a little higher speed (if we believe the rumored specs), but it is a modified GameCube for $250.

Part of the reason Wii costs $250 isn't Nintendo's fault.... it's retailers. If my memory is correct retailers whined to Nintendo about the console's initial $200 price because they'd make little to no profit on the machine, so Nintendo bumped up the price and at that point probably included Wii Sports in the bundle. Why are people so eager to pick on Nintendo? What did Nintendo do to you? How exactly do you dislike Nintendo when they have been making timeless classics for over 20 years, and have produced some great memories for mostly all of us as kids and adults.

Nintendo are not the innocent, kid-friendly console company everyone sees. They are in the business to make money and they have maintained the status quo for the last 15 years. They never stray from their demographic. Nintendo are the current bully, despite the illusion of Miyamoto's happy smile. The Wii is the result of complacency and Nintendo fans continue to buy their products. Which comes back to my point about Sheep hypocrisy.
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"] Nintendo are not the innocent, kid-friendly console company everyone sees. They are in the business to make money and they have maintained the status quo for the last 15 years. They never stray from their demographic. Nintendo are the current bully, despite the illusion of Miyamoto's happy smile. The Wii is the result of complacency and Nintendo fans continue to buy their products. Which comes back to my point about Sheep hypocrisy.

Nintendo is in the business to make money!!11?? :shock: No way... And Sony and Microsoft are in it for all the poor kids who don't have anything to eat, right. Why are they the bully... seriously, please explain and give examples.
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="XaosII"]If people didn't want em people wouldn't buy em.Kaze_no_Mirai
I agree. But there seems to be some hypocrisy in this thread. Not only does Nintendo redesign their products often, but they discontinue the earlier designs. The Sheep happily go buy the latest model. The Wii is the epitome of a pure cash-in for Nintendo. The Sheep are elated that Nintendo makes a large profit on each Wii. But when some other company makes a new design, they mock it.

The Wii is a redisgn of the GameCube?

Yeah because the Gamcube aparently had motion sensing, and channels and stuff. (sarcasm by the way(incase your a little slow))
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[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="XaosII"]If people didn't want em people wouldn't buy em.Berserker_2
I agree. But there seems to be some hypocrisy in this thread. Not only does Nintendo redesign their products often, but they discontinue the earlier designs. The Sheep happily go buy the latest model. The Wii is the epitome of a pure cash-in for Nintendo. The Sheep are elated that Nintendo makes a large profit on each Wii. But when some other company makes a new design, they mock it.

The Wii is a redisgn of the GameCube?

He was being sarcastic in a not-so-funny way.... I hope your being sarcastic too. Wii is a new platform, get over the "it's teh GCN 1.5!" crap and face reality. Overhauled specs isn't clearly defined as being a new platform, but even if it were Wii would still be a new platform anyway because it does have an upgrade in specs. Wii is absolutely nothing like the GCN in hardware. It's shaped differently, has a unique more free interface, has the Wiimote, new specs, Wi-Fi, and you can't forget the self-loading drive that lights up.

The simple truth about the Wii is that it was born from a slimmer GameCube. The Xbox 360 was coming years earlier than expected and Nintendo panicked. They were in the middle of a GameCube iteration and decided to pass it off as a new console. How do I know this? The CPU is an over-clocked Gekko. It is the very same CPU. No console is history shared the same CPU as it's predecessor. The size of the Wii is another indication. If it used all new parts, they would be much larger, but instead they took the existing GameCube design, and shrunk it.

That doesn't make any sense.  Nintendo would never have designed a slimline GameCube product, because GameCube was not a market success.  Wii is built from a similar technology base as the one GameCube used, but it's an entirely new product from a design standpoint, which is what matters to consumers in the end anyway.  People don't want hardware, they want the features and capabilities that said hardware provides.

And the TurboGrafx 16 used the same CPU as the NES.  So there :P

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[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="XaosII"]If people didn't want em people wouldn't buy em.LoeJance
I agree. But there seems to be some hypocrisy in this thread. Not only does Nintendo redesign their products often, but they discontinue the earlier designs. The Sheep happily go buy the latest model. The Wii is the epitome of a pure cash-in for Nintendo. The Sheep are elated that Nintendo makes a large profit on each Wii. But when some other company makes a new design, they mock it.

The Wii is a redisgn of the GameCube?

Yeah because the Gamcube aparently had motion sensing, and channels and stuff. (sarcasm by the way(incase your a little slow))

*Places SSX Blur into gamecube*

...hey wait a minute.