Square Enix: How the Mighty have fallen

Lets fact it in terms of games Squares lost its grip. They only care about sales and thats what has hurt them. They thrashed X-Box owners last gen and now who holds the force. The tragedy in square enix's case was pride. They stuck by the ps2 till it fell and this gen they wanna make it up with xbox owners but dont give us epic exclusives. They multiplat them. What square needs to do is make Final Fantasy 14 xbox only or a different xbox only exclusive. I was a Manticore last and even I am sick of how they punished xbox owners I cant imagine how xbox only users felt. I say if they want repentance do it right!Banjo_Kongfooie

Be happy they give you anything. Xbox owners hold no power. If they really wanted sales, they would shift over completely to the Wii. Why need Xbox owners then?

The World Ends With You?

My main problem with Sqaure Enix is that most of their effort is right now on the FF13 games, and everything else is remakes and games that play like they've only been in development for 9 months.

So much wrong with that post. SE needs to never make another 360 exclusive again. The company is in a freaking mess and its already been established the 360 + SE JRPG =/= success. They are a mess of a company but thank the lord they won't listen to you. The xbox owners need to be last priority frankly.

I was all set to agree with the thread title until I read the first post.

Lets fact it in terms of games Squares lost its grip. They only care about sales and thats what has hurt them. They thrashed X-Box owners last gen and now who holds the force. The tragedy in square enix's case was pride. They stuck by the ps2 till it fell and this gen they wanna make it up with xbox owners but dont give us epic exclusives. They multiplat them. What square needs to do is make Final Fantasy 14 xbox only or a different xbox only exclusive. I was a Manticore last and even I am sick of how they punished xbox owners I cant imagine how xbox only users felt. I say if they want repentance do it right!Banjo_Kongfooie

I would wait for FF13, their only real upcoming game, before judging them

Of course FF12 was one of the worst gameso f all time for me, but FF10 was one of the best, and i read the FF10 team is working on FF13

Many of the of the JRPG's on the 360 weren't developed by Square-Enix and it's unsure who decided which console to go for.

I think they needed to go multiplat with XIII as they have lost some serious cash and overall reputation.

Why would you want them to go Xbox only?

Many of the of the JRPG's on the 360 weren't developed by Square-Enix and it's unsure who decided which console to go for.

I think they needed to go multiplat with XIII as they have lost some serious cash and overall reputation.

Why would you want them to go Xbox only?

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Lets fact it in terms of games Squares lost its grip. They only care about sales and thats what has hurt them. They thrashed X-Box owners last gen and now who holds the force. The tragedy in square enix's case was pride. They stuck by the ps2 till it fell and this gen they wanna make it up with xbox owners but dont give us epic exclusives. They multiplat them. What square needs to do is make Final Fantasy 14 xbox only or a different xbox only exclusive. I was a Manticore last and even I am sick of how they punished xbox owners I cant imagine how xbox only users felt. I say if they want repentance do it right!obamanian

I would wait for FF13, their only real upcoming game, before judging them

Of course FF12 was one of the worst gameso f all time for me, but FF10 was one of the best, and i read the FF10 team is working on FF13

12 was a let down for me, and i'm ashamed that I am actually enjoying Last Remnant on PC more. FFXIII needs to be their saving grace, it's one of the most popular franchises I have ever seen. They need to put every ounce of skill they have into it.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Many of the of the JRPG's on the 360 weren't developed by Square-Enix and it's unsure who decided which console to go for.

I think they needed to go multiplat with XIII as they have lost some serious cash and overall reputation.

Why would you want them to go Xbox only?

Banjo_Kongfooie

You need to back up with reasonable facts. Going multiplat gives them a much wider audience, which in turn could potentially mean much more sales. You're just letting fanboyism sway your reasoning.

The Japanese don't really like the Xbox 360as a console full stop was the same last gen and since the biggest genre in Japan is the RPG, it would make sense they are going to favour the systems with the best userbase for those types of games there, that's why the biggest selling series in Japan Dragon Quest is going to be exclusive on the biggest selling system at the moment and that is the Wii. The only reason in Japan that Final Fantasy 13 is being released on the Xbox 360 ouside of Japan only is so they can make the money since the PS3 userbase isn't as great, plus they are in the business of making money not showing favour to one company anymore, if anything I amsurprised they haven't made more for the Wii since it has such a huge install base, RPGs would sell like they did on the PSone and two in japan again if they did, hence there reason to release the next Dragon Quest on it.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Many of the of the JRPG's on the 360 weren't developed by Square-Enix and it's unsure who decided which console to go for.

I think they needed to go multiplat with XIII as they have lost some serious cash and overall reputation.

Why would you want them to go Xbox only?

Banjo_Kongfooie

Not going to happen, SE clearly favors Sony. That's why PS3 gets 2 versions of FF13 while 360 gets only one :lol:

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Many of the of the JRPG's on the 360 weren't developed by Square-Enix and it's unsure who decided which console to go for.

I think they needed to go multiplat with XIII as they have lost some serious cash and overall reputation.

Why would you want them to go Xbox only?

lundy86_4

You need to back up with reasonable facts. Going multiplat gives them a much wider audience, which in turn could potentially mean much more sales. You're just letting fanboyism sway your reasoning.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] No they need to do to sony what they did to microsoft if they want 360 supportBanjo_Kongfooie

You need to back up with reasonable facts. Going multiplat gives them a much wider audience, which in turn could potentially mean much more sales. You're just letting fanboyism sway your reasoning.

No, because the PS2 had such a monumental market share. They never needed to. Outside of Japan, the PS3 is behind the 360, so in order to bump sales they needed to release on 360. Hence why Japan won't be getting a 360 version, yet the rest of the world is.

From the 2 threads i've seen you create, you're showing yourself as a fanboy, which is about as bad as being one.

Square needs to stop making small boring random JRPGs and care more about its two main elephants, Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts.

What bugs me about Square is they seem more focused on releasing dumb spinoff games like Dirge of Cerberus and putting all these random Final Fantasy titles on the weirdest systems like the PSP and mobile phones and to me it's just kind of stupid.

I feel like I liked Square more when it was Squaresoft and not Square Enix.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] No they need to do to sony what they did to microsoft if they want 360 supportBanjo_Kongfooie

You need to back up with reasonable facts. Going multiplat gives them a much wider audience, which in turn could potentially mean much more sales. You're just letting fanboyism sway your reasoning.

lol you seriously think SE was going to dump money on an xbox version last gen which was a newcomer while the PS2 had over a 100 million install base? :lol:

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] No they need to do to sony what they did to microsoft if they want 360 supportBanjo_Kongfooie

You need to back up with reasonable facts. Going multiplat gives them a much wider audience, which in turn could potentially mean much more sales. You're just letting fanboyism sway your reasoning.

What console this gen has the kind of lead that the PS2 had? (yeah I know the wii but really people, you know what I mean)
Don't be silly. Support your logic with something better than owing xbox fans because from the sales of their xbox games, they don't owe you ****.

No they need to do to sony what they did to microsoft if they want 360 supportBanjo_Kongfooie

You need to back up with reasonable facts. Going multiplat gives them a much wider audience, which in turn could potentially mean much more sales. You're just letting fanboyism sway your reasoning.

TWEWY is the best game from Square Enix I've ever played. Certainly trounces the trash that has been the Final Fantasy series of late.

Many of the of the JRPG's on the 360 weren't developed by Square-Enix and it's unsure who decided which console to go for.

I think they needed to go multiplat with XIII as they have lost some serious cash and overall reputation.

Why would you want them to go Xbox only?

lundy86_4

You mean Square ?

I never said i wanted them to go xbox only, why would they do that ? I just said that the impossible happened, that is FF13 is now on 360, and FF13 was by far the main reason i bought my PS3

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Lets fact it in terms of games Squares lost its grip. They only care about sales and thats what has hurt them. They thrashed X-Box owners last gen and now who holds the force. The tragedy in square enix's case was pride. They stuck by the ps2 till it fell and this gen they wanna make it up with xbox owners but dont give us epic exclusives. They multiplat them. What square needs to do is make Final Fantasy 14 xbox only or a different xbox only exclusive. I was a Manticore last and even I am sick of how they punished xbox owners I cant imagine how xbox only users felt. I say if they want repentance do it right!dragonpuppy

Be happy they give you anything. Xbox owners hold no power. If they really wanted sales, they would shift over completely to the Wii. Why need Xbox owners then?

They could have ported FF10 and 12 to the Xbox and GC there is no excuse for thatBanjo_Kongfooie

How many discs would that have taken? Also why? Why waste the effort of multiplatformism if you can already sell more than enough units to justify exclusivity. You have no point.

Topic: Square Enix: How the Mighty have fallen -

Lets fact it in terms of games Squares lost its grip. They only care about sales and thats what has hurt them. They thrashed X-Box owners last gen and now who holds the force. The tragedy in square enix's case was pride. They stuck by the ps2 till it fell and this gen they wanna make it up with xbox owners but dont give us epic exclusives. They multiplat them. What Square Enix needs to do is make Final Fantasy 14 Xbox 360 only or a different xbox only exclusive. I was a Manticore last and even I am sick of how they punished xbox owners I cant imagine how xbox only users felt. I say if they want repentance do it right!Banjo_Kongfooie

:lol:

They could have ported FF10 and 12 to the Xbox and GC there is no excuse for thatBanjo_Kongfooie

pointless, RPGs weren't popular on GCand xbox.

[QUOTE="dragonpuppy"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Lets fact it in terms of games Squares lost its grip. They only care about sales and thats what has hurt them. They thrashed X-Box owners last gen and now who holds the force. The tragedy in square enix's case was pride. They stuck by the ps2 till it fell and this gen they wanna make it up with xbox owners but dont give us epic exclusives. They multiplat them. What square needs to do is make Final Fantasy 14 xbox only or a different xbox only exclusive. I was a Manticore last and even I am sick of how they punished xbox owners I cant imagine how xbox only users felt. I say if they want repentance do it right!subrosian

Be happy they give you anything. Xbox owners hold no power. If they really wanted sales, they would shift over completely to the Wii. Why need Xbox owners then?

To be honset. SE best selling console game is a wii game. I think they are relevant enough in Japan to easily make money off the wii. The rest of the world is another issue though.

Square needs to stop making small boring random JRPGs and care more about its two main elephants, Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts.

What bugs me about Square is they seem more focused on releasing dumb spinoff games like Dirge of Cerberus and putting all these random Final Fantasy titles on the weirdest systems like the PSP and mobile phones and to me it's just kind of stupid.

I feel like I liked Square more when it was Squaresoft and not Square Enix.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Many of the of the JRPG's on the 360 weren't developed by Square-Enix and it's unsure who decided which console to go for.

I think they needed to go multiplat with XIII as they have lost some serious cash and overall reputation.

Why would you want them to go Xbox only?

obamanian

You mean Square ?

I never said i wanted them to go xbox only, why would they do that ? I just said that the impossible happened, that is FF13 is now on 360, and FF13 was by far the main reason i bought my PS3

My bad, that was for the OP, but I forgot to quote. I was trying to find out his reasoning.

I remember when they announced exclusivity, and my first reaction was "well duh!!", it was just common sense for them to do so. They need it right now.

You just reminded me of that youtube video where some guy curses SE for going 360...

Interestingly though, SE at least have the option to jump ship. Unfortunately Sony is the ship.

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Lets fact it in terms of games Squares lost its grip. They only care about sales and thats what has hurt them. They thrashed X-Box owners last gen and now who holds the force. The tragedy in square enix's case was pride. They stuck by the ps2 till it fell and this gen they wanna make it up with xbox owners but dont give us epic exclusives. They multiplat them. What square needs to do is make Final Fantasy 14 xbox only or a different xbox only exclusive. I was a Manticore last and even I am sick of how they punished xbox owners I cant imagine how xbox only users felt. I say if they want repentance do it right!lundy86_4

I would wait for FF13, their only real upcoming game, before judging them

Of course FF12 was one of the worst gameso f all time for me, but FF10 was one of the best, and i read the FF10 team is working on FF13

12 was a let down for me, and i'm ashamed that I am actually enjoying Last Remnant on PC more. FFXIII needs to be their saving grace, it's one of the most popular franchises I have ever seen. They need to put every ounce of skill they have into it.

MS plan worked.

Get timed exclsuivity on 360 to get the sales. Release PC Games for Windows version next so all impatientnon 360 ownerswill buy it. By the time the PS3 version comes, only a minority of cows will buy it. MS can then gloat on the 360/PS3 ratio.

Well they should put extra care into the FFXIII 360 version and make it have everthing the Ps3 one has.Banjo_Kongfooie

but it won't. Nomura won't let that happen.

Well they should put extra care into the FFXIII 360 version and make it have everthing the Ps3 one has.Banjo_Kongfooie

Well they should put extra care into the FFXIII 360 version and make it have everthing the Ps3 one has.Banjo_Kongfooie

They should actually make it last priority. After the version that will sell the most is done then get the other one up to snuff. People will know which one to get when the time comes but seriously, they owe 360 owners nothing :|

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Well they should put extra care into the FFXIII 360 version and make it have everthing the Ps3 one has.Trinners

but it won't. Nomura won't let that happen.

aside from having multiple disks, they will more or less be the same. Worst case scenerio its like Fallout 3 with PS3 and 360.

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Well they should put extra care into the FFXIII 360 version and make it have everthing the Ps3 one has.-M117-

but it won't. Nomura won't let that happen.

aside from having multiple disks, they will more or less be the same. Worst case scenerio its like Fallout 3 with PS3 and 360.

FFversus13 and FF13agito are on PS3 and PSP respectively. 360 is not going to get everything of the FF13 lineup. And with FF13 it will end up like burnout paradise, slightly better on ps3.

SE owes 360 owners nothing, and they clearly favor sony.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

I would wait for FF13, their only real upcoming game, before judging them

Of course FF12 was one of the worst gameso f all time for me, but FF10 was one of the best, and i read the FF10 team is working on FF13

-M117-

12 was a let down for me, and i'm ashamed that I am actually enjoying Last Remnant on PC more. FFXIII needs to be their saving grace, it's one of the most popular franchises I have ever seen. They need to put every ounce of skill they have into it.

MS plan worked.

Get timed exclsuivity on 360 to get the sales. Release PC Games for Windows version next so all impatientnon 360 ownerswill buy it. By the time the PS3 version comes, only a minority of cows will buy it. MS can then gloat on the 360/PS3 ratio.

Huh? I passed over 360 version due to the flaws, which the PC fixes the majority of. Hmmm, ok.

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Well they should put extra care into the FFXIII 360 version and make it have everthing the Ps3 one has.-M117-

but it won't. Nomura won't let that happen.

aside from having multiple disks, they will more or less be the same. Worst case scenerio its like Fallout 3 with PS3 and 360.

[QUOTE="-M117-"]

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

but it won't. Nomura won't let that happen.

Banjo_Kongfooie

aside from having multiple disks, they will more or less be the same. Worst case scenerio its like Fallout 3 with PS3 and 360.

it will endup like burnout paradise, slightly better on ps3.

Well they should put extra care into the FFXIII 360 version and make it have everthing the Ps3 one has.Banjo_Kongfooie

Both will be the same quality, as they are porting the PS3 version over to 360, which is much easier than coding for 360 and porting to PS3. Differences will be infinetesimal

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="dragonpuppy"]

Be happy they give you anything. Xbox owners hold no power. If they really wanted sales, they would shift over completely to the Wii. Why need Xbox owners then?

ActicEdge

To be honset. SE best selling console game is a wii game. I think they are relevant enough in Japan to easily make money off the wii. The rest of the world is another issue though.

FF and DQ also have every strong followings among the Japanese. If FFXIII were to be released on both the PS3 and Wii at the same time in Japan, I can almost promise you the Wii version will outsell the PS3 by 3 to 1.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]They could have ported FF10 and 12 to the Xbox and GC there is no excuse for thatTrinners

pointless, RPGs weren't popular on GCand xbox.

Wrong

Xbox = Morrowind,KOTOR 1&2,Jade Empire, Fable...all of those games had good sales on the Xbox.and proved that people enjoyed Rpgs on said console.

can't really speak for gamecube though

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]They could have ported FF10 and 12 to the Xbox and GC there is no excuse for thatKandlegoat

pointless, RPGs weren't popular on GCand xbox.

Wrong

Xbox = Morrowind,KOTOR 1&2,Jade Empire, Fable...all of those games had good sales on the Xbox.and proved that people enjoyed Rpgs on said console.

can't really speak for gamecube though

do you really want to compare PS2 RPGs vs. xbox rpgs? The FF userbase was entirely on PS2 at the time, no point release on xbox.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"] Good luck with that strategy - the only company really making sales on the Wii is Nintendo. Everyone else has been far less happy - especially companies that make AAA-budget games, such as Square-Enix.dragonpuppy

To be honset. SE best selling console game is a wii game. I think they are relevant enough in Japan to easily make money off the wii. The rest of the world is another issue though.

FF and DQ also have every strong followings among the Japanese. If FFXIII were to be released on both the PS3 and Wii at the same time in Japan, I can almost promise you the Wii version will outsell the PS3 by 3 to 1.

I wouldn't make such promises. All I'll say is that I think SE is one of the few companies who can actually be really profitable off the wii in my opinionand they are blowing it.

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]They could have ported FF10 and 12 to the Xbox and GC there is no excuse for thatKandlegoat

pointless, RPGs weren't popular on GCand xbox.

Wrong

Xbox = Morrowind,KOTOR 1&2,Jade Empire, Fable...all of those games had good sales on the Xbox.and proved that people enjoyed Rpgs on said console.

can't really speak for gamecube though

WRPG and JRPG are not the same things. Those games will sell well to the xbox audience, JRPGs will not.

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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

pointless, RPGs weren't popular on GCand xbox.

Trinners

Wrong

Xbox = Morrowind,KOTOR 1&2,Jade Empire, Fable...all of those games had good sales on the Xbox.and proved that people enjoyed Rpgs on said console.

can't really speak for gamecube though

do you really want to compare PS2 RPGs vs. xbox rpgs? The FF userbase was entirely on PS2 at the time, no point release on xbox.

not really...Ps2 was obviously more popular and had a bigger userbase,no one is debating that,however you made a ignorant comment that Rpgs arent' popular on Xbox and no one played them,I was merely correcting you..I might also like to add the fact Xbox Helped made Companies like Bethdesda and Bioware a household name...as well as having a rather strong library of Wrpgs (a genre more popular on the PC at the time)...something the PS2 lacked.