Square-Enix picks Nintendo, and Japanese Sales Figures

If you want to list every nintendo console that is still alive, why don't you list PS2, and PSP titlesfor Sony. Just because you think theywill support the wii more (you didn't exclusively list the wii either, you also listed the DS) does not mean they will.

Additionally, most of those games based on big franchises are spinoffs. If you like the series, youshould buy the actual games from the series.

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Because, mostly, they no longer support those hardware platforms. I think the PSP has 1 upcoming Japanese release, and wasn't mentioned as a platform they support in that press release.

I'm talking about platforms that seriously vie for SquareEnix's development dollar. They are, as Square Enix has stated, the Nintendo DS, the Wii, and the PS3. They stated that they are shocked by Nintendo's dominance and that is has been a challenge to develop on SCE systems. Take that for what you mean. However, there are way more upcoming games on the Wii than any other console besides the DS, which is far and away the market leader for Square Enix games. Do you deny this?

Why do you keep blaming me for trying to spin this?

Why don't you spin it.

Care to comment on the article, or what you think it means? You think the PS3 will get more support this gen from Square than the DS will, or the Wii?

If you do, that's fine. I'll bet my account against yours that the DS, and/or the Wii gets more Square Enix support over the next 4 years of development. Wanna make that bet? I wouldn't if I were you. It's a sucker bet.

What are you trying to prove? How am I wrong? Isn't it that you are just mad this article existed, wish it didn't, and want to try to disprove it, by flaming me?

Do you know why no one jumped on this topic to flame me yet?

Because its impossible. There is no damage control method available for that interview. It was obviously pro Nintendo above all else, and basically said, which is backed up by the development list from Squeenix itself, that Nintendo was "dominant" and we can infer from everything we've seen, very easily, that Nintendo is their top choice to develop games on this gen, be they great games, sucky games, or in between. You know this to be true. Stop flaming me because I pointed it out.

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DS Titles

Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo TalesDS Role-Playing

Anata Dake no Private Lesson - DS de Hajimeru - Tipness no Yoga DS Entertainment

Chikyuu no Arukikata DS - Italia-HenDS Edutainment

Chikyuu no Arukikata DS - Thai-HenDS Edutainment

DS de ****c Kiite Mimasenka?DS Miscellaneous

Hana Saku DS Gardening LifeDS Miscellaneous J

Chikyuu no Arukikata DS - France-HenDS Edutainment

Egg Monster HeroDS Action TBA

Final Fantasy IIIDS Role-Playing

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of FatesDS Action Role-Playing Mar 11, 2008

Mario Hoops 3 on 3DS Basketball

Dragon Quest Monsters: JokerDS Role-Playing

Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket SlimeDS Fantasy Action Adventure

Heroes of ManaDS Real-Time Strategy

Final Fantasy XII: Revenant WingsDS Action Role-Playing 8.5 Nov 20, 2007

The World Ends With YouDS Action Role-Playing Q2 2008

Front MissionDS Sci-Fi Turn-Based Strategy Oct 23, 2007

Itadaki Street DSDS Board Game Jun 21, 2007 (JP)

Dragon Quest IX: Guard of the Starry Night (working title)DS Role-Playing TBA 2008 (JP)

Final Fantasy Tactics A2: The Sealed GrimoireDS Fantasy Turn-Based Strategy TBA

Chikyuu no Arukikata DS - New York-HenDS Edutainment Oct 04, 2007 (JP)

Chikyuu no Arukikata DS - Hawaii-HenDS Edutainment Oct 04, 2007 (JP)

Chikyuu no Arukikata DS - Taiwan-HenDS Edutainment Oct 04, 2007 (JP)

Final Fantasy IVDS Role-Playing Dec 20, 2007 (JP)

Dragon Quest IVDS Role-Playing Nov 22, 2007 (JP)

Dragon Quest VDS Role-Playing Q1 2008 (JP)

Dragon Quest VIDS Role-Playing TBA (JP)

Front Mission 2089: Border of MadnessDS Strategy TBA (JP)

Yosumin. DSDS Puzzle Nov 08, 2007 (JP)

Kingdom Hearts 358/2 DaysDS Action Role-Playing TBA (JP)

Wine no Hajimekata DSDS Edutainment Nov 15, 2007 (JP)

Jinsei 8-Man-7000-Kai no Shokuji wo Tanoshiku suruDS Edutainment Dec 13, 2007 (JP)

Chikyuu no Arukikata: ShanghaiDS Miscellaneous Dec 13, 2007 (JP)

Chikyuu no Arukikata: Hong KongDS Miscellaneous Dec 13, 2007 (JP)

Chikyuu no Arukikata: Seoul - BusanDS Miscellaneous Dec 13, 2007 (JP)

Chikyuu no Arukikata: IgirisuDS Miscellaneous Dec 13, 2007 (JP)

Maji de Manabu: LEC de Ukaru - DS Hishou Boki 3-KyuuDS Miscellaneous Q1 2008 (JP)

Wii Titles

Treasure Hunter GWII Role-Playing Dec 25, 2007 (JP)

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal BearersWII Action Role-Playing News TBA 2008

Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of MirrorsWII Role-Playing Feb 26, 2008

ActRaiserWII Action 8.0 May 28, 2007

Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon: The Labyrinth of Lost TimeWII Action Role-Playing TBA

Hanjuku HeroWII Strategy Oct 30, 2007 (JP)

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Young King and the Promised LandWII Action Role-Playing TBA

King's KnightWII Shoot-'Em-Up Nov 27, 2007 (JP)

PS3 Titles

Final Fantasy XIIIPS3 Role-Playing News TBA

Final Fantasy Versus XIIIPS3 Action Role-Playing TBA

Star Ocean 4PS3 Role-Playing TBA

The Last RemnantPS3 Role-Playing TBA

Looks like the DS, aka, Nintendo is the biggest platform for Squeenix, not to mention the fact that all of those PS3 games are TBA. I wonder when the TBA and besides the first two, at least unconfirmed as exclusive.

meetroid8

Are all of those really published/developed by Square Enix? They're a bigger company than I thought.

I got that list from gamespot.

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You mean "not according to what I concluded from reading the article." They will make games for the Wii, but they will still make more PS3 games.

Zenfoldor

Of course. As Admiral DuGalle said "Once started, there's no going back." But you cannot deny that there is a possibility that SE will focus on the wii while still continuing support for the PS3.

Yeah, I never denied that. The TC said that they chose Wii over PS3, which is entirely false.

I said Nintendo was their main platform choice with the DS and Wii. It is, obviously. I never said it was the sole platform choice.

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If you want to list every nintendo console that is still alive, why don't you list PS2, and PSP titlesfor Sony. Just because you think theywill support the wii more (you didn't exclusively list the wii either, you also listed the DS) does not mean they will.

Additionally, most of those games based on big franchises are spinoffs. If you like the series, youshould buy the actual games from the series.

Zenfoldor

Because, mostly, they no longer support those hardware platforms. I think the PSP has 1 upcoming Japanese release, and wasn't mentioned as a platform they support in that press release.

I'm talking about platforms that seriously vie for SquareEnix's development dollar. They are, as Square Enix has stated, the Nintendo DS, the Wii, and the PS3. They stated that they are shocked by Nintendo's dominance and that is has been a challenge to develop on SCE systems. Take that for what you mean. However, there are way more upcoming games on the Wii than any other console besides the DS, which is far and away the market leader for Square Enix games. Do you deny this?

Why do you keep blaming me for trying to spin this?

Why don't you spin it.

Care to comment on the article, or what you think it means? You think the PS3 will get more support this gen from Square than the DS will, or the Wii?

If you do, that's fine. I'll bet my account against yours that the DS, and/or the Wii gets more Square Enix support over the next 4 years of development. Wanna make that bet? I wouldn't if I were you. It's a sucker bet.

What are you trying to prove? How am I wrong? Isn't it that you are just mad this article existed, wish it didn't, and want to try to disprove it, by flaming me?

Do you know why no one jumped on this topic to flame me yet?

Because its impossible. There is no damage control method available for that interview. It was obviously pro Nintendo above all else, and basically said, which is backed up by the development list from Squeenix itself, that Nintendo was "dominant" and we can infer from everything we've seen, very easily, that Nintendo is their top choice to develop games on this gen, be they great games, sucky games, or in between. You know this to be true. Stop flaming me because I pointed it out.

[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]

If you want to list every nintendo console that is still alive, why don't you list PS2, and PSP titlesfor Sony. Just because you think theywill support the wii more (you didn't exclusively list the wii either, you also listed the DS) does not mean they will.

Additionally, most of those games based on big franchises are spinoffs. If you like the series, youshould buy the actual games from the series.

X_CAPCOM_X

Because, mostly, they no longer support those hardware platforms. I think the PSP has 1 upcoming Japanese release, and wasn't mentioned as a platform they support in that press release.

I'm talking about platforms that seriously vie for SquareEnix's development dollar. They are, as Square Enix has stated, the Nintendo DS, the Wii, and the PS3. They stated that they are shocked by Nintendo's dominance and that is has been a challenge to develop on SCE systems. Take that for what you mean. However, there are way more upcoming games on the Wii than any other console besides the DS, which is far and away the market leader for Square Enix games. Do you deny this?

Why do you keep blaming me for trying to spin this?

Why don't you spin it.

Care to comment on the article, or what you think it means? You think the PS3 will get more support this gen from Square than the DS will, or the Wii?

If you do, that's fine. I'll bet my account against yours that the DS, and/or the Wii gets more Square Enix support over the next 4 years of development. Wanna make that bet? I wouldn't if I were you. It's a sucker bet.

What are you trying to prove? How am I wrong? Isn't it that you are just mad this article existed, wish it didn't, and want to try to disprove it, by flaming me?

Do you know why no one jumped on this topic to flame me yet?

Because its impossible. There is no damage control method available for that interview. It was obviously pro Nintendo above all else, and basically said, which is backed up by the development list from Squeenix itself, that Nintendo was "dominant" and we can infer from everything we've seen, very easily, that Nintendo is their top choice to develop games on this gen, be they great games, sucky games, or in between. You know this to be true. Stop flaming me because I pointed it out.

Didn't Dragon Quest move to the DS? Isn't that the biggest Square Enix franchise in Japan? Don't they have a national holiday when new Dragon Quest numbered games are released?

What about Kingdom Hearts?

Square has stated that the next Kingdom Hearts game(non spinoff) doesn't have a hardware home yet.

Both of those are big name titles and main franchises for Square Enix.

I wouldn't call Star Ocean a main franchise, and Verses XIII is a spinoff, so really, the only thing you've "proven" is that Final Fantasy XIII is coming out on the PS3, while I have shown that Square Enix is putting out many more games, numerically, for Nintendo systems.

What does that mean, exactly?

Well, numbers are facts and we can prove them. Quality is opinion and we can't. So, how can you prove your opinion?

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This isn't about flamingwars, or bets. No one is trying to get anyone angry (I hope you're not).It's just the truth. The number of games is not proportional to the support for the console. You are using beliefs to come to your conclusion. You just said that the PSP had no support from S-E. That is immediately false. Make sure you can get as much evidence as you can before you conclude.

If you read what I said, I did not make any statements outside of the realm that they are not going to devlop most of their main franchises on the Wii.

As for your question, I have prooven that themain franchises are not moving anywhere.Zenfoldor

Didn't Dragon Quest move to the DS? Isn't that the biggest Square Enix franchise in Japan? Don't they have a national holiday when new Dragon Quest numbered games are released?

What about Kingdom Hearts?

Square has stated that the next Kingdom Hearts game(non spinoff) doesn't have a hardware home yet.

Both of those are big name titles and main franchises for Square Enix.

I wouldn't call Star Ocean a main franchise, and Verses XIII is a spinoff, so really, the only thing you've "proven" is that Final Fantasy XIII is coming out on the PS3, while I have shown that Square Enix is putting out many more games, numerically, for Nintendo systems.

What does that mean, exactly?

Well, numbers are facts and we can prove them. Quality is opinion and we can't. So, how can you prove your opinion?

Dragon Quest is the biggest gamein Japan, but Square-Enix is aware that they have fans around the world.

Yeah, numbers are objective, like the number of people working on the games. Revenant wings is a spin-off, and X-2 is a spin-off, but X-2 was a huge game compared to Revenant wings, because it got more attention from the developers and the fanbase. This is the same case with Versus XIII. Versus XIII is a spin-off, but the production value for it beats any of the other spin-offs.

Also, Star Ocean is a main franchise. It's supposed to be the "Star Trek" of Japan; you only stated that Star Ocean is not a main franchise because you don't consider it to be, however, Square-Enix does consider it a big franchise. Is it that you would like it for less of the highly anticipated games to come out on PS3? Star Ocean 3 isn't confirmed for any console anyway (although we can be sure that it is coming to PS3).

An excellent post Zen. I enjoy reading what you think about these subjects. Personally, I do feel that SE will shift alot of of its focus to Nintendo platforms. This was first evidenced by DQ on the DS. I have a strong feeling that there's gonnil be a KH on the Wii.Shadow_Link50

Thank you so much, Shadow. I am an admitted sheep, so I'm often biased without meaning to be.

However, I will never give an opinion that I don't believe to be very likely and accurate. I think the chances of seeing some big news from Square Enix about Kingdom hearts before the end of the year is very likely, either that, or some other big money title from the company.

Compared to recent years, Square-Enix has not prospered like they have in previous years, which is due to poor management, because as we know, the market right now is very positive for the large developer right now. Its a time of growth.

Since I can assume it so easily, its safe to assume that Square has seen it for a while.

Their big money is coming from handheld opportunities, and specifically the Software giant the DS.

Their offerings on the Sony system are much more costly and time consumer to develop, however, their main target market, Japan, is vastly more populated with Nintendo's Wii, than it is with Sony's PS3.

The purpose of those statements by Square-Enix's head seem to indicate what most people on this forum have already assumed. Square-Enix is a company that goes with the money, while dabbling with other companies on the market, as they did with the Gamecube(though they largely developed there, to get an "In" as it were, with Nintendo's handheld, the Gameboy Advance, which was gold for Square). They know they can make a lot more of it on the DS, and to a lesser extent, the Nintendo Wii, and therefore, they will concentrate and tailor their largest number of titles towards those systems and their audience.

It's naive to believe that Square Enix "likes" Sony better, as if "liking" someone has anything to do with the boardroom groupthink that goes on, which inevitably leads to these decisions.

Here's what we're gonna see, if Sony continues to struggle, in 09:

A broad, DS level of support on the Nintendo Wii, likely including Kingdom Hearts, the main series, and several spinoffs, and perhaps some smaller games of less significance by Square-Enix, and indeed, by most other big Japanese developers.

For instance, Konami, Namco, and Capcom all three already have quite a good relationship with Nintendo as 3rd party developers. Namco, and to a lesser extent, Capcom, and Konami, sell a majority of their software in Japan(as in, the games that aren't Biohazard, which actually sells better in the US, because it is a "shooting" game), will increase development and porting to the Wii, just as they did with the PS2.

Companies like Atlus will have even bigger reasons to go Wii exclusive for many games, however, Atlus is a bad example, due to the fact that they are diversifying their development portfolio lately, for instance, putting out exclusive games for the Xbox 360, which is nearly devoid of Atlus' target market, the Japanese gamer.

In fact, JRPG's don't sell that well in the US, which is my major reason for believing Square Enix will indeed increase support for Japan's number one console this generation, which is without a doubt the Wii.

Japan is different than the US. They pick a platform and stick with it.

In Japan, also, the Wii keeps all its 08 killer apps for sales. However, in Japan, the PS3 loses its biggest killer app, which is Grand Theft Auto. That game, which will be a system seller in the states, will not be in Japan. Japan does not like sandbox games, as they have shown us in the past, both distant(GTA: VC) and recent(NMH).

and even if square develops on wii, its gona look like crap and play like crap.

95% of wiis third party games sucks.

its the first party thats even keeping them alive. but not for long.

ff13 on wii? ewww

thenycest1_b_basic

So, it would be the same game (obviously not as good graphics) but on a different system, so it would suck?

What??

Anyway, Wii third party is getting better. Capcom, Sega and even EA are making great games.

Thats square for you inable to make logical choices on any thing they do.

They make the majorty if their money from countries OTHER then japan yet they cater to a japanese only audiance. 360's strong points are the UK and USA 2 areas that make more profit for square then japan yet they support the ps3 more even though its user base and attach rate is low compared to the wii and 360 and the only real thing they are supposed on the nintendo side is the DS.

makes absolutely no sense.

Thats square for you inable to make logical choices on any thing they do.

They make the majorty if their money from countries OTHER then japan yet they cater to a japanese only audiance. 360's strong points are the UK and USA 2 areas that make more profit for square then japan yet they support the ps3 more even though its user base and attach rate is low compared to the wii and 360 and the only real thing they are supposed on the nintendo side is the DS.

makes absolutely no sense.

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