Square's Livingstone talks next-gen; hints at always-on, used game-blocking Xbox

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#1 TheDidact
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[Quote=""]Livingstone, who was one of the driving forces behind Eidos and its Tomb Raider franchise, was in India recently to promote Crystal Dynamics latest Lara Croft adventure. On the possibility of boxed retail being abandoned in favour of digital distribution, Livingstone told MCV, Boxed games arent being abandoned just yet. I think the next iteration of consoles the PS4 and the next Xbox, have got optical disc drives even though they probably dont want to have them. Broadband speed globally isnt at a level that justifies digital-only. So theyve gone halfway, he added, giving the example of Microsofts supposed next-gen approach, With the next Xbox, you supposedly have to have an internet connection, and the discs are watermarked, whereby once played on one console it wont play on another. So I think the generation after that will be digital-only.

http://www.mcvindia.com/news/read/ian-livingstone-talks-next-gen-hints-at-always-on-used-game-blocking-xbox/0111409 FVCK MICROSOFT I SWEAR TO GOD UNLESS YOU BRING OUT SOME KILLER THIRD PARTY EXCLUSIVES YOU WILL NOT SEE A SINGLE CENT FROM ME NEXT GEN!!!! YEAH THAT'S RIGHT I EVEN BOUGHT A WII U!! FVCKING DEAL WITH IT @$$HOLES!!!! :evil: Edit: BALLMER I WILL CHANGE MY SIG TO KAZ KICKING THE LIVING SH!T OUTTA YOU!!! :evil: Edit 2: The above rant only applies if this info is true.
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#2 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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Obligatory "MAD COZ BAD". This pretty much seals which console I will be getting. But I wonder what developers and investors will think of this.
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#3 BuldozerX
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I COULD live with online activation code, but i WOULD hate it.

Always online? NO. Online requirement at all? NO.

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#4 Obviously_Right
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Watermarked Discs

Always online DRM

No used games

No good brand new games

Kinect 2.0 (Which still has 60ms of lag)

brb preordering PS4

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#5 BuldozerX
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[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Watermarked Discs

Always online DRM

No used games

No good brand new games

Kinect 2.0 (Which still has 60ms of lag)

brb preordering PS4

You`ll miss out on Sesam Street for Kinect though.
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#6 Gifye
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Depends how exactly it works, I'll wait till I hear official.
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#7 BuldozerX
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[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Watermarked Discs

Always online DRM

No used games

No good brand new games

Kinect 2.0 (Which still has 60ms of lag)

brb preordering PS4

Also, dont forget Kinect 2.0 required to be plugged in at any time in order to work;)
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#8 BuldozerX
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But how can we really trust this source? Looks like he`s only refering to the rumours Edge came up with.
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#9 Riverwolf007
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if it has some games i want i buy it if not **** em.

you guys make this way too  complicated.

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#10 DJ-Lafleur
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If the nextbox ends up blocking used games then that is just going to make me want the PS4 even more.

That being said I'll wait until something official is announced on how Microsoft will handle used games.

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#11 hiphops_savior
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I'll stick to the Wii U, thank you.
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#12 -Renegade
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got damn the nextbox hasn't even been officially revealed and lemmings are already having a meltdown. :lol: :lol:

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#13 BuldozerX
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I think its time for MS to pull their **** togheter before the PS4 gets to many pre-orders.

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#14 stayhigh1
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I am not suprise if its true its M$ we are talking about here..I would pick pc but i dont feel like wasting thousand of dollars to upgrade it .Plus all the games will just be on the PS4 with the same experience as PC.

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#15 BuldozerX
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Well, since MS refuse to adress this rumours, start pre ordering the PS4.

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#16 Blake135
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Doubt Microsoft will shoot themselves in the foot, most likely old rumors and they will allow used games when the *Nextbox* is revealed.

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#17 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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IS there any factual source on the whole "watermark disc" thing? If its bound to your MICROSOFT account then I do not see any problem with this, all it would require you to do is log into your Microsoft account on another xbox. this has the negative effect of blocking used games much in the same way a STEAM account does on PC. But it *Could* have benefits - Physical and Digital tied to your account, if you lose a disc .. "rebuy"? no ... just DL straight from your microsoft account. Its a possibility.
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#18 whiskeystrike
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Waiting for official announcement, don't care how good the source is considered. Blocking used games is just unbelievable, even for MS.

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#19 xhawk27
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Someone is going to get sued. Until MS announces something everything you hear is a rumor. 

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#20 Bruce_Benzing
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You people do know what the meaning of the word 'supposed' is, don't you?

I keep forgetting that most people that post in SW (TC EXCLUDED) somehow equate this forum to the real world...

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#21 NathanDrakeSwag
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i don't buy into rumors until they are confirmed but there literally hasn't been a single good rumor about the next xbox. if these things arn't true then why is m$ waiting so long to respond?

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#22 BuldozerX
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Someone is going to get sued. Until MS announces something everything you hear is a rumor. 

xhawk27
Did anyone sue Steam yet?
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#23 xhawk27
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i don't buy into rumors until they are confirmed but there literally hasn't been a single good rumor about the next xbox. if these things arn't true then why is m$ waiting so long to respond?

NathanDrakeSwag

They would spend every day commenting on rumors. Next month you hear a lot of things at GDC. 

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#24 Krelian-co
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Waiting for official announcement, don't care how good the source is considered. Blocking used games is just unbelievable, even for MS.

whiskeystrike

also was charging for online when the service is free everywhere. Xbots have been brainwashed into thinking that they are getting superior service because they are paying more :lol:

Point is don't underestimate xboxt and their "but is dah microsoft" way of thinking

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#25 stayhigh1
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You people do know what the meaning of the word 'supposed' is, don't you?

I keep forgetting that most people that post in SW (TC EXCLUDED) somehow equate this forum to the real world...

Bruce_Benzing

Supposed- believed or said by some people to be true, although you may not agree with this.


Its funny he mention it maybe he knows more then you think..Why would he say that not knowing the truth..Microsoft have their next xbox720 build already im  sure they telling developers about it..

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so if my xbox bricks i cant play any of my games i guess no pgr5 for me then 

ill just wait til ms cans the idea and go from there ps4 wiiu is enough for me 

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#27 TheEroica  Moderator
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If the nextbox ends up blocking used games then that is just going to make me want the PS4 even more.

That being said I'll wait until something official is announced on how Microsoft will handle used games.

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Pretty much how I feel... i honestly doubt that ms, a global company is THAT shortsighted when it comes to the obvious handicaps that an always online xbox may have. His comments feel like a reaponse to rumors more than an inside fact... unless plans on charging roughly HALF for its games it will fail. Again, I HIGHLY doubt this is the case.
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[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]

You people do know what the meaning of the word 'supposed' is, don't you?

I keep forgetting that most people that post in SW (TC EXCLUDED) somehow equate this forum to the real world...

stayhigh1

Supposed- believed or said by some people to be true, although you may not agree with this.


Its funny he mention it maybe he knows more then you think..Why would he say that not knowing the truth..Microsoft have their next xbox720 build already im  sure they telling developers about it..

So in other words Livingstone doesn't really know and is speculating based on rumors himself. If he knew more then anyone thinks, why would he use a speculative word?

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I think MS would have to be stupid to block used games but if they do ..... PS4 is going to win next gen.
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#30 xhawk27
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I think he is saying this as more like wishful thinking on his part. Game devs want to crush used game sales and they would try anything to do it. Are they pushing this on MS who knows but I dont' think MS is going to do this. 

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#31 BuldozerX
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For those who voted: "No hell, PC". Uh, isnt PC blocking used games, and most games only online? Atleast online activation codes.
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#32 shawn30
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Doubt Microsoft will shoot themselves in the foot, most likely old rumors and they will allow used games when the *Nextbox* is revealed.

Blake135
Agreed. Being the only console to not allow used games would be stupid,. something MS is not. Man, cows want every single negative 720 rumor to be true. But until something official comes out I'm gonna chill. I just don't see MS blocking used games.IMO either everyone agrees to do it or no one does.
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#33 Krelian-co
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Someone is going to get sued. Until MS announces something everything you hear is a rumor. 

xhawk27

lol comming from the guy commenting in the other thread about a rumor that xbox was more powerful than the ps4 as if it was true "he be hacker, must be true"

double standrads for the win :lol:

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#34 Optical_Order
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I don't really buy it. 

If it is true though, this console will be a spectacular failure. 

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#35 Nengo_Flow
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i was never going to buy the next box in the first place. (only if sony went out of business or the ps4 were to be a huge flop with no games, but since that doesnt look likely, PS4 day one baby)
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#36 stayhigh1
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[QUOTE="stayhigh1"]

[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]

You people do know what the meaning of the word 'supposed' is, don't you?

I keep forgetting that most people that post in SW (TC EXCLUDED) somehow equate this forum to the real world...

Bruce_Benzing

Supposed- believed or said by some people to be true, although you may not agree with this.


Its funny he mention it maybe he knows more then you think..Why would he say that not knowing the truth..Microsoft have their next xbox720 build already im  sure they telling developers about it..

So in other words Livingstone doesn't really know and is speculating based on rumors himself. If he knew more then anyone thinks, why would he use a speculative word?

I guess he wants M$ to officially announce it..
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#37 xhawk27
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[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

Someone is going to get sued. Until MS announces something everything you hear is a rumor. 

Krelian-co

lol comming from the guy commenting in the other thread about a rumor that xbox was more powerful than the ps4 as if it was true "he be hacker, must be true"

double standrads for the win :lol:

I didn't say anything like that. I said he's in jail for being a hacker. 

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#38 xhawk27
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I bet MS is on the phone to Square yelling at them. :lol:

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Probably will leave the game blocking up to the publisher just like Sony is going to do.

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#40 BuldozerX
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Probably will leave the game blocking up to the publisher just like Sony is going to do.

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Like they are now?
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#41 xhawk27
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Probably will leave the game blocking up to the publisher just like Sony is going to do.

vaderhater

Yeah Sony don't blame use, blame the Devs. :D

 

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#42 campzor
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why is basically EVERY rumor saying the xbox will be always online and used? If everyone is saying that, is it most likely true?
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#43 TheDidact
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My rant only applies if the info is legit. But MS should not be acting arrogant at all. They allowed Sony to catch up with them in worldwide sales after they completely botched the PS3 launch. They allowed Nintendo to sell the most consoles. I can see why Sony was arrogant with the PS3 due to the fact that they made the highest selling console of all time with the PS2. And Nintendo's arrogance came from the massive success of the DS and Wii but what the Hell kind of reason does MS have to be arrogant?
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[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Probably will leave the game blocking up to the publisher just like Sony is going to do.

Yeah Sony don't blame use, blame the Devs. :D

 

The devs havent blocked any games on console yet. I dont know where you people get this idea from.
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PS4, WiiU and PC is the ONLY intelligent choice if this is true.
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#46 xhawk27
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why is basically EVERY rumor saying the xbox will be always online and used? If everyone is saying that, is it most likely true?campzor

Is it really. If everyone jumped off the cliff you would too I suppose. 

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#47 HaRmLeSS_RaGe
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I don't see the problem. In the not too distant future ALL games will come as digital downloads, physical mediums will be a thing of the past and trading used games won't be possible anyway. It's just Steam going viral in essence. Microsoft are paving the way as usual and everyone else will follow suit.

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#48 TheDidact
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[QUOTE="BuldozerX"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Probably will leave the game blocking up to the publisher just like Sony is going to do.

Yeah Sony don't blame use, blame the Devs. :D

 

The devs havent blocked any games on console yet. I dont know where you people get this idea from.

This. It's the publishers' fault. It looks like it'll be this way on PS4 as well, only for select games.
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#49 NathanDrakeSwag
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PS4, WiiU and PC is the ONLY intelligent choice if this is true.TheWalkingGhost

wii u is a terrible choice. ps4 is the best choice by far.

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#50 BuldozerX
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I don't see the problem. In the not too distant future ALL games will come as digital downloads, physical mediums will be a thing of the past and trading used games won't be possible anyway. It's just Steam going viral in essence. Microsoft are paving the way as usual and everyone else will follow suit.

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