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#101 tranhgiang
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Why do those games require Blu-Ray?musicalmac


Hi Def contents, hi def sound cound take tons of space.
Xbox360 fanboy argument have always been either ... CGI, Some games fits just fine or swapping disc is perfectly ok.

1- CGI, what's wrong with CGI ? If the developer think it's the best way to present their work, and can't do so with limited space, are you happy ? I guess some Lemming would cause seem like you just want a game being made, not made in the best way possible.
2- The "some fits just fine" argument. Of course those game have to fits, if it doesn't fit it wouldn't have been released. With game that "barely fits" like Mass Effect. Who know what did they take out to make it fits. I can see Lemming come in screaming... Nothing was left out, it's amazing etc... Truth is you don't know whether anything was left out or not do you, and again, Lemming don't want their games to be made in the best way possible (or they just said that cause it's a done deal and nothing could be made)
3-Swapping disc is fine. No it's not. Some games it's just not possible to implement disc swapping. The disc swapping also limited games design (make game more linear since content are devided into different disc). It's just another thing that developer have to consider when making a game. Yet again, it limited their ability to created the best game possible.

It's not just about making a good games, it's about making the best possible. So no more excuse, Blu-ray > DVD. get over it.
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#102 Danthegamingman
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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="RBlair21088"] Kojima is also in Sony's pocket. He'll shove all kinds of uncompressed CG, texture, and sound in there just so Sony can say "See you need teh blu-ray see...Kojima said so" when in reality blu-ray is in the PS3 because it's Sony's format and they want to sell blu-ray by using the PS3

All those CGI movies are probably in HD 1080p to (since that is the whole purpose of blu-ray) which means that they are 4x the size of CGI movies that would be on DVD's in Standard Def. CGI movies are a thing of the past, and should have died with the last generation of consoles. In-engine is the way to go.

In-engine cutscenes are the way to go......Gears and Crackdown have nice cutscenes using the game engine. Sure they are not as nice looking as FMV CGI cutscenes, but consoles and game engines are getting powerful enough to do away with costly CGI cutscenes.
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#103 Adrian_Cloud
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]4 and 5 are totally false when it comes to gaming since the DVDs used are data DVDs, and 6 and 7 are false for the PS3 and 360 because the 360's drive has a faster transfer rate across the board. The hard coating's neat, though. I could tell a BluRay disc from a DVD disc by touch alone since the BD's surface was so smooth. :D

Well he wasn't specific to only gaming, and most people who own PS3 don't only use it for gaming. But 6 and 7 are true, chech the ign comparison or the sony BD spec sheet. Blu-ray has a Higher max transfer rate for both audio and video, if 360 still uses a dvd9 no matter how fast the drive.
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#104 Mystery_Writer
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next-gen format is better, plain and simple. You could have many HD cut-scenes in one disk.
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#105 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] But its alot better than using DVD-9s in most peoples opinions which the 360 uses.

mjarantilla

And how is better? The PS3's BR drive is slow compared to the x360's DVD drive.

1.Physical size -------- Single layer capacity 12 cm, single sided -------- 25 GB (23.3 GiB) 2.Hard Coating 3.Playback 23 hours 4.Supports more Video- codecs 5.Supports more Audio Codecs 6.Higher DataTR 7.Higher MvideoTR

4 and 5 are totally false when it comes to gaming since the DVDs used are data DVDs, and 6 and 7 are false for the PS3 and 360 because the 360's drive has a faster transfer rate across the board. The hard coating's neat, though. I could tell a BluRay disc from a DVD disc by touch alone since the BD's surface was so smooth. :D

Agreed.

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#106 LosDaddie
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[Well he wasn't specific to only gaming, Adrian_Cloud

I responded to your post about gaming.

and most people who own PS3 don't only use it for gaming. Adrian_Cloud

And that has to with x360 vs PS3 how??:roll:

But 6 and 7 are true, chech the ign comparison or the sony BD spec sheet. Blu-ray has a Higher max transfer rate for both audio and video, if 360 still uses a dvd9 no matter how fast the drive. Adrian_Cloud

You obviously didn't understand the comparison though. 12x DVD >> 2x BR

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[QUOTE="danielsmith2020"][QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="RBlair21088"] Kojima is also in Sony's pocket. He'll shove all kinds of uncompressed CG, texture, and sound in there just so Sony can say "See you need teh blu-ray see...Kojima said so" when in reality blu-ray is in the PS3 because it's Sony's format and they want to sell blu-ray by using the PS3

All those CGI movies are probably in HD 1080p to (since that is the whole purpose of blu-ray) which means that they are 4x the size of CGI movies that would be on DVD's in Standard Def. CGI movies are a thing of the past, and should have died with the last generation of consoles. In-engine is the way to go.



Metal Gear Solid doesn't use CGI.

What kind of retard thinks that MGS uses CGI? MGS has only ever used the ingame engine to render cutscenes there is no exception to this rule as I recall hideo kojima said he needed the space for audio not cut scenes or textures. Makes you think what the hell he's up to.

Uhm.. the kind of retard that has never played it. I had no idea it was CGI-less. So yeah, what the @#$% is he doing that he wants that much space? 200+ hours of cutscene data? ugh.
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#108 LosDaddie
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It's not just about making a good games, it's about making the best possible. So no more excuse, Blu-ray > DVD. get over it.
tranhgiang

Come back to us when the PS3 lands it's first AAA game. ;)

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#109 Killer2401
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Why do we need more disk space when we can have Halo 3?
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#110 Adrian_Cloud
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] [Well he wasn't specific to only gaming, LosDaddie

I responded to your post about gaming.

and most people who own PS3 don't only use it for gaming. Adrian_Cloud

And that has to with x360 vs PS3 how??:roll:

But 6 and 7 are true, chech the ign comparison or the sony BD spec sheet. Blu-ray has a Higher max transfer rate for both audio and video, if 360 still uses a dvd9 no matter how fast the drive. Adrian_Cloud

You obviously didn't understand the comparison though. 12x DVD >> 2x BR

1.w.e 2. This thread isn't about 360 vs PS3, but it shows that PS3 has better multi-media functionality and the majority of people use blu-ray so for some people. The price is clrealy justified. 3.Blu-ray MTR (V/D) 40,mbit/s|54mbit/s x 2 ? = 80mbit/s 108 mbit/s DVD- MTS (V/D) 9.8mbit/s| 10.08mbit/s s 12=117mbit/s 120.96 mbit/s If i'm doin't wrong don't quote just say so an i'll just delete the post.
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#111 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]4 and 5 are totally false when it comes to gaming since the DVDs used are data DVDs, and 6 and 7 are false for the PS3 and 360 because the 360's drive has a faster transfer rate across the board. The hard coating's neat, though. I could tell a BluRay disc from a DVD disc by touch alone since the BD's surface was so smooth. :D

Well he wasn't specific to only gaming, and most people who own PS3 don't only use it for gaming. But 6 and 7 are true, chech the ign comparison or the sony BD spec sheet. Blu-ray has a Higher max transfer rate for both audio and video, if 360 still uses a dvd9 no matter how fast the drive.

The 360's DVD drive has a max data transfer rate of 120Mbps and a minimum data transfer rate of 70Mbps (estimated). BluRay's 2x spec has a transfer rate of just over 70-75Mbps (don't know the exact number) EDIT: Never mind, I see your post.
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#112 CarlosPontinas
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Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds. If Final Fantasy 13 hit the 360 it would probably be on 5-7 dvds. Carmilla31
If  FF13 fits on 5 -7 discs based on the development time for most games, it wont be finished until 2017. 
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#114 Adrian_Cloud
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]4 and 5 are totally false when it comes to gaming since the DVDs used are data DVDs, and 6 and 7 are false for the PS3 and 360 because the 360's drive has a faster transfer rate across the board. The hard coating's neat, though. I could tell a BluRay disc from a DVD disc by touch alone since the BD's surface was so smooth. :D

Well he wasn't specific to only gaming, and most people who own PS3 don't only use it for gaming. But 6 and 7 are true, chech the ign comparison or the sony BD spec sheet. Blu-ray has a Higher max transfer rate for both audio and video, if 360 still uses a dvd9 no matter how fast the drive.

The 360's DVD drive has a max data transfer rate of 120Mbps and a minimum data transfer rate of 70Mbps (estimated). BluRay's 2x spec has a transfer rate of just over 70-75Mbps (don't know the exact number)

3.Blu-ray MTR (V/D) 40,mbit/s|54mbit/s x 2 ? = 80mbit/s 108 mbit/s DVD- MTS (V/D) 9.8mbit/s| 10.08mbit/s s 12=117mbit/s 120.96 mbit/s If i'm doin't wrong don't quote just say so an i'll just delete the post. I think this the right math, if it isn't don't kill me. I never knew the 360s drive was 12x, well you learn something every day.
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#115 CarlosPontinas
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[QUOTE="TheTrueEdge"][QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds. If Final Fantasy 13 hit the 360 it would probably be on 5-7 dvds. Carmilla31


From what I understood, the game Blue Dragon itself isn't on three DVD's. The game itself was on 1/2 DVD's due to cutscenes and whatnot and the remaining 1/2 DVD's were extra content. Not sure about this though.

But I can't seem to believe DVD9 holds too little capicity for this generation. At least, not for Microsoft in any way. They were suppose to announce their new machine in 2010 or so. I don't think we'll see huge amounts of games on multiple discs by that time. Infact, I think rarely any.

And if we do, really, what's the trouble of changing a disc? I never quite understood that. You are changing discs all the time because you play different games. So what's the trouble in changing a disc after 30 hours into a game? It's a weak arguement to justify Blu Ray games by saying: 'Yeah... well... we don't have to change a disc!' because you are changing discs when you want to play a different game anyway. I don't see the 'ownage' in having to change a disc somewhere in a long single player.

Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds because of its huge amount of cgi which takes up a lot of disc space. Final Fantasy is the king of cgi and would take much more then 3 discs. And sure changing discs isnt a big deal. But having it on one disc is just a little perk that most would rather have.

The FF franchise is so backward now. Cutscenes taking up 5 discs? Why bother with games consoles?
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#116 Darth_Stalin
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I don't need Blu-Ray, especially since the PS3 uses the HDD to compensate for slow reading.
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#117 buuzer0
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Educate yourselves.

http://www.gamesfirst.com/index.php?id=1132

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#118 musicalmac  Moderator
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Educate yourselves.

http://www.gamesfirst.com/index.php?id=1132

buuzer0
Excellent read. Didn't like the last line, though.. Makes them sounds lemmish...
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#119 CarlosPontinas
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[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"]

Mass Effect http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/  and Oblivion are massive games with beautiful graphics and they fit just fine on one DVD.

Saints Row and Crackdown have huge open-end sandbox worlds and fit just fine on one DVD.

Proponents for Blu-ray can argue until your BLUE in the face, but Blu-ray is not needed.............another marketing point for PS3 down the drain.

Blinblingthing

GT 4 was more than 7 Gb. Are you telling me that GT5 won't need Blue-ray?

Put it on whatever you like. Forza 2 is arguably superior and it fits on one DVD9.
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#120 CarlosPontinas
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]Mass Effect barely fits onto one disk..and they have to squeeze everythin together..lol..talkin about over doin it..lets see if it still looks good and not like cra*..Nedemis
judging by the latest screens that BioWare has released, Mass Effect destroys everything the PS3 has shown it's capable of at this time.....I'd take a new IP over MGS4, GT5, DMC4, Tekken 6, VF5, FF13 any day.....especially when it's from BioWare.

I'm afraid I have to agree with you.
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stalker is 10gb, that should tell you something
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#122 CarlosPontinas
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Why do those games require Blu-Ray?musicalmac
To make them look bad?
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[QUOTE="billing"]

[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds. If Final Fantasy 13 hit the 360 it would probably be on 5-7 dvds. amcallister902

Thats fine.

As long as I dont have to wait 30 mins for each load.

dont be stupid! that is not fine. thats a disgrace. and if mass effect just fits on one disc, then that is the biggest, possibly best game 360 will see. ps3 can handle much larger games as can blu ray.

pc can handle much bigger more ram = larger levels
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[QUOTE="amcallister902"][QUOTE="billing"]

[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds. If Final Fantasy 13 hit the 360 it would probably be on 5-7 dvds. Evo310whp

Thats fine.

As long as I dont have to wait 30 mins for each load.

dont be stupid! that is not fine. thats a disgrace. and if mass effect just fits on one disc, then that is the biggest, possibly best game 360 will see. ps3 can handle much larger games as can blu ray.

How is it a disgrace? Swapping discs isnt new. People did it with the PS1, PS2 and even some PC games. I dont see what the problem is unless your are lazy.

its much different with pc games since you only swap when installing and thats it unlike console game which run off the dvd. what ps2 game had disk swapping?
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#125 CarlosPontinas
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] But its alot better than using DVD-9s in most peoples opinions which the 360 uses.

mjarantilla

And how is better? The PS3's BR drive is slow compared to the x360's DVD drive.

1.Physical size -------- Single layer capacity 12 cm, single sided -------- 25 GB (23.3 GiB) 2.Hard Coating 3.Playback 23 hours 4.Supports more Video- codecs 5.Supports more Audio Codecs 6.Higher DataTR 7.Higher MvideoTR

4 and 5 are totally false when it comes to gaming since the DVDs used are data DVDs, and 6 and 7 are false for the PS3 and 360 because the 360's drive has a faster transfer rate across the board. The hard coating's neat, though. I could tell a BluRay disc from a DVD disc by touch alone since the BD's surface was so smooth. :D

Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't hard coating cost more than the standard DVD surface?

Wouldn't this indicate that the BR disks are more expensive than DVD9s and that even 3 or 4 DVDs are cheaper than 1 BR, in which case BR would be pointless unless you're willing to pay a premium so as not to swap disks?

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[QUOTE="Carmilla31"][QUOTE="TheTrueEdge"][QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds. If Final Fantasy 13 hit the 360 it would probably be on 5-7 dvds. billing



From what I understood, the game Blue Dragon itself isn't on three DVD's. The game itself was on 1/2 DVD's due to cutscenes and whatnot and the remaining 1/2 DVD's were extra content. Not sure about this though.

But I can't seem to believe DVD9 holds too little capicity for this generation. At least, not for Microsoft in any way. They were suppose to announce their new machine in 2010 or so. I don't think we'll see huge amounts of games on multiple discs by that time. Infact, I think rarely any.

And if we do, really, what's the trouble of changing a disc? I never quite understood that. You are changing discs all the time because you play different games. So what's the trouble in changing a disc after 30 hours into a game? It's a weak arguement to justify Blu Ray games by saying: 'Yeah... well... we don't have to change a disc!' because you are changing discs when you want to play a different game anyway. I don't see the 'ownage' in having to change a disc somewhere in a long single player.

Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds because of its huge amount of cgi which takes up a lot of disc space. Final Fantasy is the king of cgi and would take much more then 3 discs. And sure changing discs isnt a big deal. But having it on one disc is just a little perk that most would rather have.

Acutally,

The Dev of Blue Dragon just got lazy to compress their data correctly.

I'm pretty sure they could of shoved all the information in one DVD if they took their time.

Mass Effect proves me correct.

no dev is lazy compression losses quality. wav>>>>>mp3 avi>>>mpeg
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#127 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="TheTrueEdge"]

No one denies bigger capicity is needed at some point. Me, and allot of other people just don't think that it's needed at this point. And so far we have been right.
purplemidgets


With Mass Effect "just barely" fitting on one, wouldn't you think it's about the time to move on? I would think it's better to move on now before we fill the thing up.

m$ could just release xbox3 this xmas with a next gen dvd format and the problems would be gone, but there goes ps3 is expensive excuse or you have to keep upgrading pcs.
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[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="TheTrueEdge"]

No one denies bigger capicity is needed at some point. Me, and allot of other people just don't think that it's needed at this point. And so far we have been right.
billing



With Mass Effect "just barely" fitting on one, wouldn't you think it's about the time to move on? I would think it's better to move on now before we fill the thing up.

Actually Mass Effect proves that data compression technology is still improving.

you can compress as much as you like but it losses quality
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#129 imprezawrx500
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Actually Mass Effect proves that data compression technology is still improving.

purplemidgets


You can only compress data so much. And you can't continue compressing the data to extremes on old dvd drives, because the more you compress the longer the read times are. You need a coupling of compressing and new drives/disc formats.

plus compressed data requires cpu time to be extracted so the more its compressed the more cpu time is wasted
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#130 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]I'm not quite sure why mutliple dvd's is disgraceful. I didn't hear anyone complaining when they played games like FFVII... How does this really change the game? It doesn't. Don't be silly.purplemidgets


A game like GTA or any other open world game (Which a lot of games are moving towards). Cannot be played on multiple disks.

well they can but it wold really annoy you having to change the disk when ever you go over a bridge.
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#131 CarlosPontinas
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[QUOTE="billing"]

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="TheTrueEdge"]

No one denies bigger capicity is needed at some point. Me, and allot of other people just don't think that it's needed at this point. And so far we have been right.
imprezawrx500



With Mass Effect "just barely" fitting on one, wouldn't you think it's about the time to move on? I would think it's better to move on now before we fill the thing up.

Actually Mass Effect proves that data compression technology is still improving.

you can compress as much as you like but it losses quality

Can you tell the difference between a 320kbps MP3 and a wav file?
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[QUOTE="amcallister902"][QUOTE="billing"]

[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds. If Final Fantasy 13 hit the 360 it would probably be on 5-7 dvds. Nedemis

Thats fine.

As long as I dont have to wait 30 mins for each load.

dont be stupid! that is not fine. thats a disgrace. and if mass effect just fits on one disc, then that is the biggest, possibly best game 360 will see. ps3 can handle much larger games as can blu ray.

too bad 1/2 the time you spend playing a PS3 game that size will be spent waiting and waiting for the loading screen to pass by.....:lol:

and you will be waiting twice as long for bioshock to load on x360 compared to pc :lol:
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#133 martin_f
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Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds. If Final Fantasy 13 hit the 360 it would probably be on 5-7 dvds. Carmilla31
  Lol 7 discs  full of Anime haircuts and terrible voice acting with the most repetetive gameplay possibly ever.........
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#134 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="hyruledweller"]back in the day Baldurs Gate II was on 5 discs i think, never really had a problem then.purplemidgets


Because it was PC game that was installed on your computer. You never had to swap discs after installation. This is a completely different situation.

exactly console player don't get this nfsmw was on 4 disks yet It played just like the x360 version
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We know.
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#136 imprezawrx500
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little round shiny disks that have digital data on them are at the end of the road; the blu ray version of oblivion has had to have data repeats all over the disk so the ps3 can grab scenery as you gallop across the landscape on your steed, otherwise the game would stop dead while it went looking for the next hill top, and the 360 version spins at such an insane speed it sounds like a 747 is waiting to taxi in your living room. I would not call either of those an ideal situation.orangeonxbox
yeah its funny how x360 make more noise than a pc because of the high spinning disk hard drive has so many advantages over optical like making less noise and much faster read speeds.
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#137 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] But its alot better than using DVD-9s in most peoples opinions which the 360 uses.

LosDaddie

And how is better? The PS3's BR drive is slow compared to the x360's DVD drive.

1.Physical size -------- Single layer capacity 12 cm, single sided -------- 25 GB (23.3 GiB) 2.Hard Coating 3.Playback 23 hours 4.Supports more Video- codecs 5.Supports more Audio Codecs 6.Higher DataTR 7.Higher MvideoTR

Actually the x360's 12x DVD drive has faster data transfer rates.

The rest of the features have nothing to do with games. ;)

yet for some reason they didn't use the 16x dvd
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#138 toxicmog
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Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds. If Final Fantasy 13 hit the 360 it would probably be on 5-7 dvds. Carmilla31
why would it be on more dvd's than three? i dont understand this logic :S seeing as your blu ray discs are 25gb discs... and 3 dvd 9 is almost 30 gig. so it would only be accross 3 dvd's...Did you fail math?
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#139 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]It technology allows one disc then why not use it? How many of you would like if your next music cd had a 'A' side and a "B' side like casettes did. So after half the songs you have to flip the disc? Why use older technology if the new one is available?

Then why isn't music on dvds? Because it isn't needed.
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#140 imprezawrx500
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Why do we need more disk space when we can have Halo 3?Killer2401
because crysis>>>>>>halo 3
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#141 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]4 and 5 are totally false when it comes to gaming since the DVDs used are data DVDs, and 6 and 7 are false for the PS3 and 360 because the 360's drive has a faster transfer rate across the board. The hard coating's neat, though. I could tell a BluRay disc from a DVD disc by touch alone since the BD's surface was so smooth. :D

Well he wasn't specific to only gaming, and most people who own PS3 don't only use it for gaming. But 6 and 7 are true, chech the ign comparison or the sony BD spec sheet. Blu-ray has a Higher max transfer rate for both audio and video, if 360 still uses a dvd9 no matter how fast the drive.

The 360's DVD drive has a max data transfer rate of 120Mbps and a minimum data transfer rate of 70Mbps (estimated). BluRay's 2x spec has a transfer rate of just over 70-75Mbps (don't know the exact number) EDIT: Never mind, I see your post.

120mb/s :lol: 16x dvd max is 22mb/s and x360 only uses 12x dvd which is 16mb/s since when has dvds had faster transfer than 10000rpm hard drives?
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#142 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="Blinblingthing"][QUOTE="Danthegamingman"]

Mass Effect http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/ and Oblivion are massive games with beautiful graphics and they fit just fine on one DVD.

Saints Row and Crackdown have huge open-end sandbox worlds and fit just fine on one DVD.

Proponents for Blu-ray can argue until your BLUE in the face, but Blu-ray is not needed.............another marketing point for PS3 down the drain.

CarlosPontinas

GT 4 was more than 7 Gb. Are you telling me that GT5 won't need Blue-ray?

Put it on whatever you like. Forza 2 is arguably superior and it fits on one DVD9.

race drive 4 will be better than both since race driver 3 was the best last gen by far
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#143 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="billing"]

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="TheTrueEdge"]

No one denies bigger capicity is needed at some point. Me, and allot of other people just don't think that it's needed at this point. And so far we have been right.
CarlosPontinas



With Mass Effect "just barely" fitting on one, wouldn't you think it's about the time to move on? I would think it's better to move on now before we fill the thing up.

Actually Mass Effect proves that data compression technology is still improving.

you can compress as much as you like but it losses quality

Can you tell the difference between a 320kbps MP3 and a wav file?

in games with decent speakers yes, oblivion has crap sound and it uses mp3 while games with great sound like splinter cell, fear farcry use wave files
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#144 CarlosPontinas
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[QUOTE="CarlosPontinas"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="billing"]

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="TheTrueEdge"]

No one denies bigger capicity is needed at some point. Me, and allot of other people just don't think that it's needed at this point. And so far we have been right.
imprezawrx500



With Mass Effect "just barely" fitting on one, wouldn't you think it's about the time to move on? I would think it's better to move on now before we fill the thing up.

Actually Mass Effect proves that data compression technology is still improving.

you can compress as much as you like but it losses quality

Can you tell the difference between a 320kbps MP3 and a wav file?

in games with decent speakers yes, oblivion has crap sound and it uses mp3 while games with great sound like splinter cell, fear farcry use wave files

You can tell the difference between an AC3 level compression and PCM?

You must have keen ears.

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#145 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Killer2401"]Why do we need more disk space when we can have Halo 3?imprezawrx500
because crysis>>>>>>halo 3

You must really trust your crystal ball.
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#146 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Blue Dragon is on 3 dvds. If Final Fantasy 13 hit the 360 it would probably be on 5-7 dvds. TheTrueEdge


From what I understood, the game Blue Dragon itself isn't on three DVD's. The game itself was on 1/2 DVD's due to cutscenes and whatnot and the remaining 1/2 DVD's were extra content. Not sure about this though.

But I can't seem to believe DVD9 holds too little capicity for this generation. At least, not for Microsoft in any way. They were suppose to announce their new machine in 2010 or so. I don't think we'll see huge amounts of games on multiple discs by that time. Infact, I think rarely any.

And if we do, really, what's the trouble of changing a disc? I never quite understood that. You are changing discs all the time because you play different games. So what's the trouble in changing a disc after 30 hours into a game? It's a weak arguement to justify Blu Ray games by saying: 'Yeah... well... we don't have to change a disc!' because you are changing discs when you want to play a different game anyway. I don't see the 'ownage' in having to change a disc somewhere in a long single player.

I agree with your basic point that MS doesn't have to worry this gen about DVD's being enough to hold games.  However, I am getting sick of the Oblivion cliche that lemmings keep clinging too.  Oblivion could have been a TON better than it was.  If Oblivion looked as good as it could have, as seen by the mods community who improved the game dramatically, you wouldn't fit the game on DVD.  Oblivion devs got really lazy with some of the graphics and that helped them save space.

Also, people conitnuously fail to udnerstand the simple fact that with HD gaming comes the movement towards HD audio.  Comparing HD audio to regular audio is almost like comparing Wav files to MP3s in terms of the space difference.  That is an exageration, of course, but it makes the point.  If you want a true HD experience, you need to think about HD audio.

But I also say that the reason PS3 games are so hufe is the same reason you never see PC graphics cards truly mazed out.  Developers will use what their given without worrying about optimizing or efficiency. 

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#147 Bgrngod
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no dev is lazy compression losses quality. wav>>>>>mp3 avi>>>mpegimprezawrx500
No devs are lazy? Are you kidding? Have you seen most of the garbage that was released for the Xbox and PS2? Why would devs bother with compression if they didn't need to. There is no reason for the Motorstorm developers to compress the entire game if it will fit on the disk as is. Sure the load times will be longer as the CPU waits for the Blu-ray drive to read everything off the disk (the CPU can decompress faster then the Blu-Ray can read it). But if the game fits, and they save a bundle of $$ for the trade off of longer load times, why would they care? Good compression does not loose quality. Crappy compression does. Your example of Wav's being better them MP3's fails anyways, consider MP3's and Mpeg's are the standard for portable audio devices. If the quality loss was noticeable then this wouldn't be the case. Only crazy audiophiles can notice it.
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#148 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]4 and 5 are totally false when it comes to gaming since the DVDs used are data DVDs, and 6 and 7 are false for the PS3 and 360 because the 360's drive has a faster transfer rate across the board. The hard coating's neat, though. I could tell a BluRay disc from a DVD disc by touch alone since the BD's surface was so smooth. :D

Well he wasn't specific to only gaming, and most people who own PS3 don't only use it for gaming. But 6 and 7 are true, chech the ign comparison or the sony BD spec sheet. Blu-ray has a Higher max transfer rate for both audio and video, if 360 still uses a dvd9 no matter how fast the drive.

The 360's DVD drive has a max data transfer rate of 120Mbps and a minimum data transfer rate of 70Mbps (estimated). BluRay's 2x spec has a transfer rate of just over 70-75Mbps (don't know the exact number) EDIT: Never mind, I see your post.

120mb/s :lol: 16x dvd max is 22mb/s and x360 only uses 12x dvd which is 16mb/s since when has dvds had faster transfer than 10000rpm hard drives?

You're thinking in megaBYTES, I'm thinking in megaBITS. :roll:
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#149 coolguy1111
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Size of worlds=/=bigger games.
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#150 coolguy1111
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Killer2401"]Why do we need more disk space when we can have Halo 3?musicalmac
because crysis>>>>>>halo 3

You must really trust your crystal ball.

Far Cry>Halo2/1, so....