Star Ocean 4 has made me put my faith back in Square Enix

I don't know whats wrong with tri-ace? their games are alot of fun but there are some signature effects to their games.

1- camera controls are awful.

2- animations always awful, ps1 animations and Im not joking, I can't believe Im playing on a xbox 360 game and when I turn over 180 degrees, the character just flip like a coin :P

3- the voice acting is average.

I need to hurry and buy this Immortalzxx

yup... I'm on the 2nd disk right now

[QUOTE="Immortalzxx"]I need to hurry and buy this lundy86_4

yup... I'm on the 2nd disk right now

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Immortalzxx"]I need to hurry and buy this Animal-Mother

yup... I'm on the 2nd disk right now

Haha, I'm in the same boat. I have about 4 games I need to finish. Then I might go back and beat some of the old games again for different endings.

Not me. You must have a lot of faith.

quicksilverXP24

Agreed! Square just doesn't seem like they have what it takes anymore. I'll believe in them when they make a JRPG that can compete with Final Fantasy 7. I played Star Ocean recently and was quickly bored with the weak lead character. He just seems like a wimp! Great visuals though...

[QUOTE="quicksilverXP24"]

Not me. You must have a lot of faith.

Patriot298

Agreed! Square just doesn't seem like they have what it takes anymore. I'll believe in them when they make a JRPG that can compete with Final Fantasy 7. I played Star Ocean recently and was quickly bored with the weak lead character. He just seems like a wimp! Great visuals though...

There's one part in the storyline that'll really cement your opinion on the main character, as he is a wimp... Square-Enix really need to pull off some fantastic RPG's again, I miss the Squaresoft glory days

[QUOTE="Amnesiacx"]

A 7.5, standard def reso game, upscaled to HD, with a bad story and horribly annoying characters, amongst many other problems restored your faith? :lol: :lol:

spinecaton

And you can talk because you played it right?

Nope. Just a loudmouth trying to bring down the game.

Star Ocean 4 is very enjoyable but they really have to start thinking about updating certain design crutches a lot of Japanese developers seem to fall back on. The battle system is terrific but there are way too many things in the game that need to be dropped from JRPG design.

1. Glowing sphere save points. the 360 and PS3 both have HD storage, USE IT. or at least have the option of choosing.

2. bad camera. Do these guys actually play these games? Look at a game that does camera properly and copy it. Done. There really is no excuse.

3. Character design. Blue hair, green hair, purple hair, orange hair.....give me a damn break.

4. Voice acting. facepalm.

If you are looking for a great JRPG, get Persona 4. And if you aren't sure about it, Jeff and Vinny at GB are doing a HILARIOUS endurance run on the game. After watching that I just had to play it.

Star Ocean 4 is very enjoyable but they really have to start thinking about updating certain design crutches a lot of Japanese developers seem to fall back on. The battle system is terrific but there are way too many things in the game that need to be dropped from JRPG design.

1. Glowing sphere save points. the 360 and PS3 both have HD storage, USE IT. or at least have the option of choosing.

2. bad camera. Do these guys actually play these games? Look at a game that does camera properly and copy it. Done. There really is no excuse.

3. Character design. Blue hair, green hair, purple hair, orange hair.....give me a damn break.

4. Voice acting. facepalm.

If you are looking for a great JRPG, get Persona 4. And if you aren't sure about it, Jeff and Vinny at GB are doing a HILARIOUS endurance run on the game. After watching that I just had to play it.

heretrix

haha 3 and 4 are the worst by far... stupid anime inspired characters with awful english voice acting.

I don't get the camera gripes, I naturally use the right stick to turn the camera as I see fit at all times, almost without thinking about, I had a couple issues in battle where I didn't face my target, but it mostly seemed okay. 110million

Puts you right in the action imo. I like the character designs too. Very inspiring. We needed something different this gen. American designs were getting to me honestly. There sooo boring looking.

The voice acting doesn't bother me that much. I actually got used to lym's voice. The voice acting of the enemies are terrible/hilariousthough, but then again this game doesn't have the budget of DQ or FF......................................yet.

[QUOTE="110million"]I don't get the camera gripes, I naturally use the right stick to turn the camera as I see fit at all times, almost without thinking about, I had a couple issues in battle where I didn't face my target, but it mostly seemed okay. hayato_

Puts you right in the action imo. I like the character designs too. Very inspiring. We needed something different this gen. American designs were getting to me honestly. There sooo boring looking.

The voice acting doesn't bother me that much. I actually got used to lym's voice. The voice acting of the enemies are terrible/hilariousthough, but then again this game doesn't have the budget of DQ or FF......................................yet.

[QUOTE="hayato_"]

[QUOTE="110million"]I don't get the camera gripes, I naturally use the right stick to turn the camera as I see fit at all times, almost without thinking about, I had a couple issues in battle where I didn't face my target, but it mostly seemed okay. 110million

Puts you right in the action imo. I like the character designs too. Very inspiring. We needed something different this gen. American designs were getting to me honestly. There sooo boring looking.

The voice acting doesn't bother me that much. I actually got used to lym's voice. The voice acting of the enemies are terrible/hilariousthough, but then again this game doesn't have the budget of DQ or FF......................................yet.

While I think the voice acting is bad, it's really not too much of an issue. I just wish that when these games are localized, they would put more effort into quality voice acting and script.

I like the character designs too. Very inspiring. We needed something different this gen.

hayato_

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="hayato_"] I actually like the camera and its angles. Especially when it zooms in when doing chain combos.

Puts you right in the action imo. I like the character designs too. Very inspiring. We needed something different this gen. American designs were getting to me honestly. There sooo boring looking.

The voice acting doesn't bother me that much. I actually got used to lym's voice. The voice acting of the enemies are terrible/hilariousthough, but then again this game doesn't have the budget of DQ or FF......................................yet.

heretrix

While I think the voice acting is bad, it's really not too much of an issue. I just wish that when these games are localized, they would put more effort into quality voice acting and script.

Every star ocean that I can remember had bad voice acting.. even The sceond story on PS1. Did they do it again to stay true to the series or is it just that they never learn..?

Every star ocean that I can remember had bad voice acting.. even The sceond story on PS1. Did they do it again to stay true to the series or is it just that they never learn..?

Abicus7

even if you got 6,000 experience, claude shouts "Thats somewhere around 80 points!" that always made me laugh.

even if you got 6,000 experience, claude shouts "Thats somewhere around 80 points!" that always made me laugh.

Abicus7

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="110million"] Yes, I guess some people don't have too many things to compare with, but there have been much worse voice acting attempts in the past, some so bad I could never get used to them, but Sarah is the only one that bothers me in this, Lym is kind of creepy, but Sarah is just weird, the rest of the voices I found at least decent. 110million

While I think the voice acting is bad, it's really not too much of an issue. I just wish that when these games are localized, they would put more effort into quality voice acting and script.

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Welch makes me want to stab my ears with spikes. But I get it, she's supposed to be annoying.

While I think the voice acting is bad, it's really not too much of an issue. I just wish that when these games are localized, they would put more effort into quality voice acting and script.

heretrix

TC Square-Enix didn't develop Star Ocean 4 Tri-Ace did. As the game its self besides having a good battle system it falls flat on ground when it comes to characters, voice overs and music. I didn't mention story yet because I'm not to far into the game to talk about the story. I'm really hoping SO 4 storyline isn't anything like SO3. IMO SO3 had to have one of the most awful story in a Role Playing title.

1. Glowing sphere save points. the 360 and PS3 both have HD storage, USE IT. or at least have the option of choosing.heretrix

TC Square-Enix didn't develop Star Ocean 4 Tri-Ace did. As the game its self besides having a good battle system it falls flat on ground when it comes to characters, voice overs and music. I didn't mention story yet because I'm not to far into the game to talk about the story. I'm really hoping SO 4 storyline isn't anything like SO3. IMO SO3 had to have one of the most awful story in a Role Playing title.

jasonharris48

[QUOTE="hayato_"]

I like the character designs too. Very inspiring. We needed something different this gen.

heretrix

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

TC Square-Enix didn't develop Star Ocean 4 Tri-Ace did. As the game its self besides having a good battle system it falls flat on ground when it comes to characters, voice overs and music. I didn't mention story yet because I'm not to far into the game to talk about the story. I'm really hoping SO 4 storyline isn't anything like SO3. IMO SO3 had to have one of the most awful story in a Role Playing title.

Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="heretrix"]1. Glowing sphere save points. the 360 and PS3 both have HD storage, USE IT. or at least have the option of choosing.Vandalvideo

]The only thing that would screw up is the perception that you need idiotic save points. The story would flow just fine without them. I'm really sick of people coming up with excuses for outdated gaming conventions. A lot of people don't have time to wade through a 20 minute dungeon area to get to a save point, if they have to stop playing suddenly. That's ridiculous. It's always been a pain in the ass.heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]]The only thing that would screw up is the perception that you need idiotic save points. The story would flow just fine without them. I'm really sick of people coming up with excuses for outdated gaming conventions. A lot of people don't have time to wade through a 20 minute dungeon area to get to a save point, if they have to stop playing suddenly. That's ridiculous. It's always been a pain in the ass.Vandalvideo

Oh god... and just before the bosses aswell... I would be sad if you didn't have those, as Star Ocean 4 actually has some more challenging boss battles

[QUOTE="hayato_"]

I like the character designs too. Very inspiring. We needed something different this gen.

heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]]The only thing that would screw up is the perception that you need idiotic save points. The story would flow just fine without them. I'm really sick of people coming up with excuses for outdated gaming conventions. A lot of people don't have time to wade through a 20 minute dungeon area to get to a save point, if they have to stop playing suddenly. That's ridiculous. It's always been a pain in the ass.Vandalvideo

Then maybe working on improving the gameplay balance would be another thing that they can work on. You'd think that by now there would be a better solution. You can't possibly tell me that there isn't a better way to do something like that.heretrix

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="heretrix"]]The only thing that would screw up is the perception that you need idiotic save points. The story would flow just fine without them. I'm really sick of people coming up with excuses for outdated gaming conventions. A lot of people don't have time to wade through a 20 minute dungeon area to get to a save point, if they have to stop playing suddenly. That's ridiculous. It's always been a pain in the ass.heretrix

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="heretrix"]]The only thing that would screw up is the perception that you need idiotic save points. The story would flow just fine without them. I'm really sick of people coming up with excuses for outdated gaming conventions. A lot of people don't have time to wade through a 20 minute dungeon area to get to a save point, if they have to stop playing suddenly. That's ridiculous. It's always been a pain in the ass.heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="hayato_"]

I like the character designs too. Very inspiring. We needed something different this gen.

hayato_

I don't HATE the character design, I'm just disappointed that they didn't even try to update it at all.I don't see anything inspiring about it. In fact it's everything that's wrong with JRPGs: they depend too much on the strandards and it's getting REALLY boring. It's my only problem with the game, it feels dated as hell.

I was enjoying it quite a bit though. Then my Elite died. But I have every intention on completing it.

[QUOTE="leadernator"]

too bad it flopped :P

whatisazerg

too bad its another 360 Exclusive JRPG :P

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] You're ignoring all the various save point based gameplay elements like tens, rejuvination, and enemy balancing. The entire pace of dungeons would be thrown off just a bit if you took out save points in Star Ocean games. 110million

You have entirely missed my point. What if you have to stop playing suddenly? On my first playthrough I was halfway through a dungeon and had to go out shopping. My closest save point was at least 15 minutes of walking through a dungeon. If I had just quit, I would have lost over an hour of grinding, which is pretty dumb. I wound up leaving the house with my 360 turned on with the game in it for at least 3 hours. That's goddamn annoying.

I could see maybe a "quick save" function like it's done on handhelds where you can save anywhere quickly and resume later but the data is erased when loaded.yoshi_64

Star Ocean 4 is a disappointment. It couldn't surpass it's predecessors, and it couldn't even do anything to expand the RPGverse. It is nothing but an empty shell, with the name Star Ocean printed on it.

Star Ocean 4 is a disappointment. It couldn't surpass it's predecessors, and it couldn't even do anything to expand the RPGverse. It is nothing but an empty shell, with the name Star Ocean printed on it.

Renjinrezo

Unfortunately it's the way a lot of JRPG's are going this gen. Although I still haven't picked up tales of Vesperia which looks pretty good. Hopefully White Knight Chronicles can bring something different to the table aswell

[QUOTE="Renjinrezo"]

Star Ocean 4 is a disappointment. It couldn't surpass it's predecessors, and it couldn't even do anything to expand the RPGverse. It is nothing but an empty shell, with the name Star Ocean printed on it.

lundy86_4

Unfortunately it's the way a lot of JRPG's are going this gen. Although I still haven't picked up tales of Vesperia which looks pretty good. Hopefully White Knight Chronicles can bring something different to the table aswell

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

TC Square-Enix didn't develop Star Ocean 4 Tri-Ace did. As the game its self besides having a good battle system it falls flat on ground when it comes to characters, voice overs and music. I didn't mention story yet because I'm not to far into the game to talk about the story. I'm really hoping SO 4 storyline isn't anything like SO3. IMO SO3 had to have one of the most awful story in a Role Playing title.

Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Renjinrezo"]

Star Ocean 4 is a disappointment. It couldn't surpass it's predecessors, and it couldn't even do anything to expand the RPGverse. It is nothing but an empty shell, with the name Star Ocean printed on it.

heretrix

Unfortunately it's the way a lot of JRPG's are going this gen. Although I still haven't picked up tales of Vesperia which looks pretty good. Hopefully White Knight Chronicles can bring something different to the table aswell

That's the way I feel... The star ocean games don't score well, but I have always enjoyed them. I hope if they make another, they really go out of their way to try and get away from the anime humour with bad voice acting. It still needs to be there, but just not so blatently as SO4

[QUOTE="Renjinrezo"]

Star Ocean 4 is a disappointment. It couldn't surpass it's predecessors, and it couldn't even do anything to expand the RPGverse. It is nothing but an empty shell, with the name Star Ocean printed on it.

lundy86_4

Unfortunately it's the way a lot of JRPG's are going this gen. Although I still haven't picked up tales of Vesperia which looks pretty good. Hopefully White Knight Chronicles can bring something different to the table aswell

The topic is about Star Ocean, so only Star Ocean is to be criticized. There is no doubt about the present state of RPGs though, but I'll leave it at that.
As an RPG that was supposed to be a sequel to a popular series, it failed to meet expectations. We receive a creation which lacks originality and actual progress.

Star Ocean 4 can only sink the reputation of Tri-ace as an RPG creator. Sinking it even further into the depth, as done previously by infinite undiscovery. Harsh, but a most likely occurance.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Unfortunately it's the way a lot of JRPG's are going this gen. Although I still haven't picked up tales of Vesperia which looks pretty good. Hopefully White Knight Chronicles can bring something different to the table aswell

heretrix

I would enjoyed Tales of Vesperia more. I liked how the characters in Vesperia interacted. But I am having tons of fun with Star Ocean 4, I don't mind the voice acting that much, and some of the characters are pretty cool. My big gripe about the game is the spacing of save points. Too far apart, It seems most of them are at the start and before the boss. It would of been better for one in the middle.

Voice acting I can live with, Heard you can turn off some voices that annoy you in battle. But, how linear/bland are the dungeons compared to SO3? SO3 was pretty bland, but I could live with it.

Star Ocean 4 is a very fun game as is Last Remnant.

The 360 has brought back memories of hte good ol days of the ps1 and all teh rpgs on taht system.

For real though, Lost Odyssey, Last Remnant, Tales Of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4 and Eternal Sonata where all fun jrpgs imo.

All very underrated imo.