[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Missing the point wasdie, I explained everything on Page 1. Scroll down and you'll know how it separates itself from Dynamic Shadows, This technique is called Indirect Shadows. Dynamic Lighting And Dynamic Shadows are both different. Indirect Lighting And Indirect Shadows are different from each other too.To be honest, you've done a terrible job at explaining what indirect shadowing is. Most people don't know what the heck it is, so why should we care.Umm, multiple games already have multiple light sources casting shadow on a single object.
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Star Wars 1313: Looks like TLOU isn't the only game with Indirect Shadows.
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]Missing the point wasdie, I explained everything on Page 1. Scroll down and you'll know how it separates itself from Dynamic Shadows, This technique is called Indirect Shadows. Dynamic Lighting And Dynamic Shadows are both different. Indirect Lighting And Indirect Shadows are different from each other too.To be honest, you've done a terrible job at explaining what indirect shadowing is. Most people don't know what the heck it is, so why should we care.Umm, multiple games already have multiple light sources casting shadow on a single object.
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"All ya' had to do was to scroll a little down on page 1 CJ"
You lazy ass............
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 Right one has indirect shadows left one doesn't, If there was no Global Illumination in games, Or if everything was done in real time, Your HALO would probably look like this.
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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]Yes, 'video' games are just games and nothing else. Mirror's Edge could be made with stick figures with no sound and still work (that would kill the experience). I wonder, do you care if you're watching a blu-ray movie, or are you content with VHS?Zeviander
Mmm, so many delicious fallacies. Where to start? A dated looking game with engrossing gameplay will always be a better game than a top-of-the-line-tech game with mediocre gameplay. Always. Art design is key to making a game's visuals last well beyond their technological years.
I did not say visuals were unimportant. I implied that such ridiculous attention to detail will be unimportant if it has no impact on gameplay (perhaps the new Thief could take advantage of this tech?). Shadows that "get the job done" in a game that is fun to play should be sufficient.
Lol @ this Blu-ray/VHS tripe. VHS is an analog signal, DVD and Blu-ray are digital. It's like concerning yourself with a painting when we are talking about photographs. I do enjoy Blu-ray movies, yes, because the technology is SUFFICIENT to get what is needed across and has a TANGIBLE effect on the experience. What I don't need is a $25,000 4k TV... which is essentially what this method of shadowing is; technology that looks nice, but is way ahead of the times.
Games should be developed with the gameplay first on the priority list. I have never said, ever, that graphics are unimportant. The fact you assumed that's what I meant makes you look that much stupider. Mirror's Edge is a great game because it has solid gameplay, good level design, fairly fluid mechanics, clever art design (very simplistic, almost deconstructive) and good technical graphics that keep up with the action.
Notice how I mentioned technical graphics... last.
VHS is just a media storage devices, it's doing the same job (sufficiently) that a DVD/BR do for movies. It's hardly as different as a photo : painting.
"What I don't need is a $25,000 4k TV... which is essentially what this method of shadowing is; technology that looks nice, but is way ahead of the times."
How is this "way ahead of its time", it seems to be 'on time', and what an excessive comparison, like these shadows are some mega luxury.Â
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In real time would be that sort of mega luxury that's way ahead of its time.Â
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What you said was "nobody should care", as if you're an authority on what people should care about. And I'd say any increase in immersion is a benefit to gameplay, even if its a tiny little incremental step. And your silly "only giant steps matter" well, we're in the age of diminishing returns, we're passed the giant changes from 2d to 3d, and software to hardware. We've pretty much only seen incremental steps this whole generation.
[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]They are hard end shadows, Are you sure there is no light in source in the building?Wouldn't this be similar? The light source is outside the building with god rays at the other side of the building. Notice the shadow caused by the doors and mechanical arm of the Upgrade Kiosk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7TIpk4TZPc
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Best to view it at 1080p fullscreen.
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The god rays are it. The blue light is much farther down the hall. You can see the door shadows stretch way out. The hologram isn't a light source. There's a bunch of holograms in the game. If you looked in the beginning, the light from the source outside is being reflected back by the water to surrounding objects above the water. That's about the only other source.Â
They are hard end shadows, Are you sure there is no light in source in the building?[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]
Wouldn't this be similar? The light source is outside the building with god rays at the other side of the building. Notice the shadow caused by the doors and mechanical arm of the Upgrade Kiosk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7TIpk4TZPc
Edit:
Best to view it at 1080p fullscreen.
jun_aka_pekto
The god rays are it. The blue light is much farther down the hall. You can see the door shadows stretch way out. The hologram isn't a light source. There's a bunch of holograms in the game. If you looked in the beginning, the light from the source outside is being reflected back by the water to surrounding objects above the water. That's about the only other source.Â
[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] They are hard end shadows, Are you sure there is no light in source in the building?faizan_faizan
The god rays are it. The blue light is much farther down the hall. You can see the door shadows stretch way out. The hologram isn't a light source. There's a bunch of holograms in the game. If you looked in the beginning, the light from the source outside is being reflected back by the water to surrounding objects above the water. That's about the only other source.Â
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] Those are look like they are just normal shadows, that area is receiving a light source from something, even if it isn't the sun, you can see that the geometry is being directionally lit in that area and there are some shadows being cast on the wall to the right of the upgrade station.
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Couldn't reflected light on a surface act as a light source of its own? I mean they do in the real world.
I think you mean those caustics? No they were in Far Cry 2004 too but it wasn't a perfect light, It was just fakey and all.HereÂ
Not those. Just reflected light. This doesn't have a light source pointed inside. But, you can see the interior quite well.
[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Those caustics in his video are a texture projection.[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] I think you mean those caustics? No they were in Far Cry 2004 too but it wasn't a perfect light, It was just fakey and all.faizan_faizan
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I went and tried Hard Reset EE. It does not have the shadows that faizan is talking about, it does however have shadows being cast from pretty much every light source in the game.
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I'm not entierly sure what is going on in that level, since i'm not that far in the game, but if i had to guess. what was going on in that level, an invisible secondary light was set up manually by a developer to get an aesthetically pleasing look to the level, or to fake GI. If you look at the geometry you can clearly see that there is definitely a light source hitting stuff in the same direction as the shadows.
I see, So Hard Reset has the same caustics as Crysis 3? As they demonstrated in that press conference? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocrD2URz3I4 Also to answer your lower part of post, I think it's doing most of the stuff offline, Most of the lighting might be pre baked. No, Hard Reset has the normal way of faking caustics, they just have a texture projecting onto the wall. Nearly all games do it that way.Â
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I see, So Hard Reset has the same caustics as Crysis 3? As they demonstrated in that press conference? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocrD2URz3I4 Also to answer your lower part of post, I think it's doing most of the stuff offline, Most of the lighting might be pre baked. No, Hard Reset has the normal way of faking caustics, they just have a texture projecting onto the wall. Nearly all games do it that way.[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] Those caustics in his video are a texture projection.
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I went and tried Hard Reset EE. It does not have the shadows that faizan is talking about, it does however have shadows being cast from pretty much every light source in the game.
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I'm not entierly sure what is going on in that level, since i'm not that far in the game, but if i had to guess. what was going on in that level, an invisible secondary light was set up manually by a developer to get an aesthetically pleasing look to the level, or to fake GI. If you look at the geometry you can clearly see that there is definitely a light source hitting stuff in the same direction as the shadows.
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Crysis 3 is the first major game to do accurate dynamic causitc s
True, I after playing some Crysis 3, I also realized that they cast shadows too amazing.[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Those caustics in his video are a texture projection.[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] I think you mean those caustics? No they were in Far Cry 2004 too but it wasn't a perfect light, It was just fakey and all.faizan_faizan
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I went and tried Hard Reset EE. It does not have the shadows that faizan is talking about, it does however have shadows being cast from pretty much every light source in the game.
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I'm not entierly sure what is going on in that level, since i'm not that far in the game, but if i had to guess. what was going on in that level, an invisible secondary light was set up manually by a developer to get an aesthetically pleasing look to the level, or to fake GI. If you look at the geometry you can clearly see that there is definitely a light source hitting stuff in the same direction as the shadows.
I see, So Hard Reset has the same caustics as Crysis 3? As they demonstrated in that press conference? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocrD2URz3I4 Also to answer your lower part of post, I think it's doing most of the stuff offline, Most of the lighting might be pre baked.Running around that part I showed, I can't see a visible direct light source apart from the one outside. Ferret's probably right in saying there's an invisible light source designated by the developers. It (the "indirect" shadows) looks like a reasonable imitation though. :lol:
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