Star Wars KOTOR - Most influential Single Player rpg of last gen?

Kotor? Noooooo. The answer is SHENMUE.

FULL. REACTIVE. EYES. ENTERTAINMENT.

Heirren

1. Not an RPG

2. Not all thay influential unfortunately

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Kotor? Noooooo. The answer is SHENMUE.

FULL. REACTIVE. EYES. ENTERTAINMENT.

AdrianWerner

1. Not an RPG

2. Not all thay influential unfortunately

Not an rpg? Really, how so? I understand it was marketed under a different moniker, but the game is still an rpg, probably even moreso than most think. It's semi open-endedness was taken from the 16bit days.

-It introduced realtime fighting to the genre

-It introduced QTEs to the genre, which countless games use today.

It's been a long time since I've played it, but it was the first for a few other things, I'm sure. What I really liked about it was that if you did venture off the main quest, you could find more "scrolls" and learn more moves than a player that rushed through the campaign, thus increasing your characters power. Not to mention capsule toys...

Not an rpg? Really, how so? I understand it was marketed under a different moniker, but the game is still an rpg, probably even moreso than most think. It's semi open-endedness was taken from the 16bit days.

-It introduced realtime fighting to the genre

-It introduced QTEs to the genre, which countless games use today.

It's been a long time since I've played it, but it was the first for a few other things, I'm sure. What I really liked about it was that if you did venture off the main quest, you could find more "scrolls" and learn more moves than a player that rushed through the campaign, thus increasing your characters power. Not to mention capsule toys...

Heirren

The game was action-adventure, not RPG. THe outcome of actions depended mostly on your own skill, not the skill of the characters.

It didn't introduce realtime fighting, there were many games like this before.

It also wasn't the first game with QTEs. Now I do believe the modern obession with this started with Shenmue, but you don't really see QTEs in RPGs nowadays, they are quite common in action and action-adventure games, not not in RPGs.

Influential? I don't know, nor do I care.

KOTOR is just the best game ever. Ever.

NWN2 follows it, although the game mechcanics are better it lacks the added StarWars awesome.

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If you say so.. I personally thought the second was crap.. Of meaningless characters, absurd plot line (Supposedly destroying the Sith in the first one, magically they just REAPPEAR with overwhelming forces a few years later ran by ridiculously powerful sith that none of the Jedi ever sensed).. Filled with bugs, and one of the worse endings (if not the worse) I have ever seen for a rpg..

Oh yeah I did.. The main character "magically" disappears and your with amnesia.. How conveint.. Kreia the old hag constantly mused what to do and not to do.. And the last parts of the game was a wtf moment.. Wher ethe ship flys away and it ends..

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Neverwinter Nights not only predates KOTOR but it also has a much more fleshed out decision/morality system. Not knocking Bioware or KOTOR, love the game, but it really wasn't all that influential for the most part. WoW, which is in the RPG genre, is much more influential.glez13

Bioware RPG's regarding gameplay mechanics and chronological order:

Baldur's Gate>Neverwinter Nights>KOTOR>Action RPG's

You should replace NWN with DA:O, because NWN is... well... complete and utter garbage.

KOTOR? Decision making? Lawls.

Go play Arcanum.

Seriously, all of you, get off this site, and go play Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura. Once you've done that, you can come back here, and you can say whatever the hell you want to about KOTOR or any other of BioWare's sacred cows being amazing, but until you've played it you have zero credibility when it comes to discussing RPG gaming over the last ten years.

It's the eight-hundred ton giant squid in the ****ing corner, man, and it's looking right at you.

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Neverwinter Nights not only predates KOTOR but it also has a much more fleshed out decision/morality system. Not knocking Bioware or KOTOR, love the game, but it really wasn't all that influential for the most part. WoW, which is in the RPG genre, is much more influential.Guppy507

Bioware RPG's regarding gameplay mechanics and chronological order:

Baldur's Gate>Neverwinter Nights>KOTOR>Action RPG's

You should replace NWN with DA:O, because NWN is... well... complete and utter garbage.

In that case the equation would just balance out, mate.

KOTOR? Decision making? Lawls.

Go play Arcanum.

Seriously, all of you, get off this site, and go play Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura. Once you've done that, you can come back here, and you can say whatever the hell you want to about KOTOR or any other of BioWare's sacred cows being amazing, but until you've played it you have zero credibility when it comes to discussing RPG gaming over the last ten years.

It's the eight-hundred ton giant squid in the ****ing corner, man, and it's looking right at you

jethrovegas

Wow I have seen some holier-than-thou attitudes before but this one takes the cake. I am not sure which is more comical, the fact that your being serious or the fact that you actually went ahead and posted this, lol. Dont get me wrong, we all have our opinions in regards to which games we hold in high regard but this is nothing short of ridculous. The fact that you would presume to know what games we have or have not played is bad enough but the fact that you think your opinion legitimately stands above all others in here...well that one really takes the cake. Your opinion isnt nearly as superior as you think it is. In fact, going off of the 2 games you mentioned, its not even remotely justified. You know what they say about opinions and everyone having one. The sad thing is that nobody even agrees with yours.

As for credability, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Get off this site? Christ, for a minute there I thought I was on IMDB, lol.

Wow I have seen some holier-than-thou attitudes before but this one takes the cake. I am not sure which is more comical, the fact that your being serious or the fact that you actually went ahead and posted this, lol. Dont get me wrong, we all have our opinions in regards to which games we hold in high regard but this is nothing short of ridculous. The fact that you would presume to know what games we have or have not played is bad enough but the fact that you think your opinion legitimately stands above all others in here...well that one really takes the cake. Your opinion isnt nearly as superior as you think it is. In fact, going off of the 2 games you mentioned, its not even remotely justified. You know what they say about opinions and everyone having one. The sad thing is that nobody even agrees with yours.

As for credability, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Get off this site? Christ, for a minute there I thought I was on IMDB, lol.

OrangeCrushers

I'd love to hear your argument on behalf of KOTOR, but the point here, I should think, is that you probably don't have one.

Everyone has an opinion, yeah, that's true, but some of them are bull ****, that is, they fall apart in an argument. You can whine and ***** all you want about how I'm sporting a holier-than-thou attitude (you're absolutely spot-on there, by the way, my posts really come across like that sometimes) but until you are willing to explain to me why you think KOTOR is a better RPG than Arcanum (having played both games, see?) this really isn't the discussion for you, is it?

See, it isn't even that you don't know what you're talking about (I have no idea whether you do or not) it's that you aren't willing to show your hand.

I'll throw it all down on the table, any time. We can do a point by point, section by section analysis of KOTOR and Arcanum right now, and I can explain to you, using logic, why Arcanum is the better role playing game. Call my bluff, I want you to. You can argue with me, maybe you can bring me around to your way of thinking (doubtful), but either way I'd say it beats the hell out of just poking your head into a thread to tell someone that their opinion is too arrogant, or forcefully presented, or otherwise prick-ish, which, on the internet, is tantamount to leaning out a second floor window and asking all those mean tanks to quiet their blietzkrieg because you're trying to sleep.

In other words, put up.

Why don't they have either in xbox live market place? It seriously irritates me! Jade Empire but no kotor....1 or 2

Wow I have seen some holier-than-thou attitudes before but this one takes the cake. I am not sure which is more comical, the fact that your being serious or the fact that you actually went ahead and posted this, lol. Dont get me wrong, we all have our opinions in regards to which games we hold in high regard but this is nothing short of ridculous. The fact that you would presume to know what games we have or have not played is bad enough but the fact that you think your opinion legitimately stands above all others in here...well that one really takes the cake. Your opinion isnt nearly as superior as you think it is. In fact, going off of the 2 games you mentioned, its not even remotely justified. You know what they say about opinions and everyone having one. The sad thing is that nobody even agrees with yours.

As for credability, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Get off this site? Christ, for a minute there I thought I was on IMDB, lol.

OrangeCrushers

KOTOR was a fantastic game (one of my all time favourites) and like the youtube commentors i too would love to be able to do it all over again fresh.

But it isnt a very influential game (not even near how influential WoW has been or the other great WRPG's from the time), and heavy decision oriented RPG's since KOTOR have primarily been made by Bioware anyway, so its not as if the game caused a ton of other (non Bioware) WRPG dev's to use a similar system.

Influential games to me are WoW to MMO's, Halo/Half Life to FPS, Ninja Gaiden to Action/Slash'em ups etc. Genre defining games that had their unique elements copied to great extent since they were released.

I don't see the influene, it was far from first gae with choices and consequences and most of all this element was very weak in KOTOR. Plus to be influential you need to actualy influence other titles. KOTOR didn't aside from BioWare's own titles. Ba

AdrianWerner

If Diablo 2 counts as a last gen game then I pick that. No other game in the history of gaming has spawned more knockoffs.

[QUOTE="faheem_s_i"]Kotor 2 was terrible.1 was amazing,was it the most influential? No but it definitely has had a major influence for the better on the direction taken on wrpg by developers since ie.The Witcher,Oblivion,Fable 1 and 2,Dragon Age,Jade Empire and Mass Effect series amongst others.Arach666

Your post is arrogant, somewhat prickish, and just forcefully presented. Clearly Vampires was the better game because I didn't play Arcanum because I'm lazy. There /debate *spoiler*jg4xchamp

RPGs and MMORPGs are not the same thing. Anyone debating otherwise is desperate for a technical point.

This "Arcanum" is it good? It looks hideous, an insult to my PC's power.

Yes kotor was an awesome game... it's story was propably one the best in rpgs and still is. especailly the end twist. only thing thats was not that good compared to latest bioware games was combat. Kotor's combat was unbalanced.. Jedi characters was overpowered...

AK47 had awesome personality.. similar to shale in dragon age.

Carth was a whinny character.

Jolie was funny and grumpy.

Bastilla was awesome..

anyway i prefer dragon age far more better. morrigan shale oghern sten alistair are characters i ll remember... and yes you read well. I said Sten and oghren. they were funny and awesome.

Yes kotor was an awesome game... it's story was propably one the best in rpgs and still is. especailly the end twist. only thing thats was not that good compared to latest bioware games was combat. Kotor's combat was unbalanced.. Jedi characters was overpowered...

AK47 had awesome personality.. similar to shale in dragon age.

Carth was a whinny character.

Jolie was funny and grumpy.

Bastilla was awesome..

anyway i prefer dragon age far more better. morrigan shale oghern sten alistair are characters i ll remember... and yes you read well. I said Sten and oghren. they were funny and awesome.

ioannisdenton

HK-47 ...

Blasphemy ... You prerfer the overly generic Dragon Age? Generic in everywway (Great game though)

Hmm, I dunno about most influential but it is my#1 game of all time though with Halo CE as a very, very close second and sometimes depending on my mood, they switch places. :P

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Yes kotor was an awesome game... it's story was propably one the best in rpgs and still is. especailly the end twist. only thing thats was not that good compared to latest bioware games was combat. Kotor's combat was unbalanced.. Jedi characters was overpowered...

AK47 had awesome personality.. similar to shale in dragon age.

Carth was a whinny character.

Jolie was funny and grumpy.

Bastilla was awesome..

anyway i prefer dragon age far more better. morrigan shale oghern sten alistair are characters i ll remember... and yes you read well. I said Sten and oghren. they were funny and awesome.

-Snooze-

HK-47 ...

Blasphemy ... You prerfer the overly generic Dragon Age? Generic in everywway (Great game though)

and again morrigan alistair oghren and sten were aweosme! generic? maybe . but awesome

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="ioannisdenton"]

Yes kotor was an awesome game... it's story was propably one the best in rpgs and still is. especailly the end twist. only thing thats was not that good compared to latest bioware games was combat. Kotor's combat was unbalanced.. Jedi characters was overpowered...

AK47 had awesome personality.. similar to shale in dragon age.

Carth was a whinny character.

Jolie was funny and grumpy.

Bastilla was awesome..

anyway i prefer dragon age far more better. morrigan shale oghern sten alistair are characters i ll remember... and yes you read well. I said Sten and oghren. they were funny and awesome.

ioannisdenton

HK-47 ...

Blasphemy ... You prerfer the overly generic Dragon Age? Generic in everywway (Great game though)

and again morrigan alistair oghren and sten were aweosme! generic? maybe . but awesome

I was mistaken, the characters aren't generic (Well to some extent, but what isnt?) The game world and storyare just so...dull.

Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines was better *runs SAGE_OF_FIRE

Where the hell do you think you're going? Get back here!

I don't think they are approriate comparisons.. KOTOR was about a war between two sides.. Vampire the Masquerade was about you plopping fourth and choosing what the hell to do for your self because numero uno was really all that mattered in that game.. Love both games.

sSubZerOo

Foxhound still has a point. Sure it was a war between two sides, but why would that diminish your choices to an extremely bland black and white system? Let me give you my side of the spectrum:

Ever since Star Wars has evolved beyond the first three episodes, I've been led to hating the Jedi, why? Because they're an extremely freaky cult like organization, that seems to be composed out of some galactic priest hood with absolutely no personality. An organization that only accepts recruits very early in their developing stages--they brainwash their students at an age when they have very little thought or say in the matter.

Then you have the Sith; from what I remember many of their lessons actually made sense to me--thoughts that I had developed long before I even played the game--but then all of a sudden beneath those teachings that I found considerate worthy, they kill innocent people left and right with absolutely no reason at all. I ended up choosing between two choices:

A. Join this extremely and freakish uninteresting cult

B. Join this organization that actually makes a little bit of sense, but they like to betray and murder people every 5 seconds.

Which one do I relate most to? Maybe a bit of B, but that really as far as it goes. That was the choice given to me by the game and imo it was extremely poor.

Couple that with extremely poor level design and a plot twist that while I found interesting, I ended in founding it predictable, and there you have it.