Starcraft 2 objectively has the best RTS campaign ever

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#51 lordlors
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Starcraft 2 takes the crown of MP but nowhere is its SP campaign the best. The SP campaign of the Total War games, DoW games, and CoH are better IMO.
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#52 topgunmv
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I agree. I don't understand the hate for SC2's single player. I thought it was absolutely fantastic. Best game of 2010 easily.

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Not enough orcs, apparently.

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#53 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

I agree. I don't understand the hate for SC2's single player. I thought it was absolutely fantastic. Best game of 2010 easily.

topgunmv

Not enough orcs, apparently.

Needs more Orcs in space.

On that note, can't wait for that new Warhammer game. Looks like a ton of fun.

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#54 JW-toch
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It was all right, but a bit outdated and certainly not the best.

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#55 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

I agree. I don't understand the hate for SC2's single player. I thought it was absolutely fantastic. Best game of 2010 easily.

ChubbyGuy40

Not enough orcs, apparently.

Needs more Orcs in space.

On that note, can't wait for that new Warhammer game. Looks like a ton of fun.

I skipped all the dow2 games, no base building seems really unappealing.

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#56 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Not enough orcs, apparently.

topgunmv

Needs more Orcs in space.

On that note, can't wait for that new Warhammer game. Looks like a ton of fun.

I skipped all the dow2 games, no base building seems really unappealing.

Same here although I plan on getting Retribution. I was talking about the TPS action one where you play as one of those Elite Space Marines. Looks like a ton of fun.

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#57 garfield360uk
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In response to the opening topic, there is an argument for Starcraft 2 having one of the most varied RTS campaigns. I feel a lot of people who have played the campagin enjoyed it and I liked the variation, the mission hub on the ship and the plot of the characters. I am also a big fan of the Red Alert 1 and 2 campaign. However I do feel they do different jobs, Red Alert is a bit cheesy and wacky in what it does which I enjoy, and I also enjoy the banter between characters on Starcraft and the feeling of impending doom that faces the guys at every mission.
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#58 Espada12
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Same here although I plan on getting Retribution. I was talking about the TPS action one where you play as one of those Elite Space Marines. Looks like a ton of fun.

ChubbyGuy40

Space Marine.

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#59 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Same here although I plan on getting Retribution. I was talking about the TPS action one where you play as one of those Elite Space Marines. Looks like a ton of fun.

Espada12

Space Marine.

Thats the one. How could I forget the name of it :lol:

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#60 Rekunta
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Relic is not good in making varied mission and having awesome presentation.

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I'm sorry, I have trouble taking seriously anybody who says something like this. Company of Heroes has incredible presentation in all aspects, and has decent mission variety. One mission storming the beach, one setting up an ambush, another building defenses on three bridges and trying to hold out for 10-15 minutes under constant barage. Now I haven't played SC2 so I can't compare, but to say Relic is not good at presentation and variety is simply untrue.

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#61 tutt3r
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Starcraft 2 subjectively has the best RTS campaign ever

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#62 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]

Relic is not good in making varied mission and having awesome presentation.

Rekunta

I'm sorry, I have trouble taking seriously anybody who says something like this. Company of Heroes has incredible presentation in all aspects, and has decent mission variety. One mission storming the beach, one setting up an ambush, another building defenses on three bridges and trying to hold out for 10-15 minutes under constant barage. Now I haven't played SC2 so I can't compare, but to say Relic is not good at presentation and variety is simply untrue.

Knocking relic for presentation is pretty weird to. Homeworld? COH? DOW 1 (not soo much two since I didn't enjoy that one as much :P)

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#63 Ballroompirate
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I have to say I still love Warcraft 3 campaign, it's still one of my favorite all time games too, SC2 has an awesome SP and MP and takes the 2nd spot for me at least in best RTS games.

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#64 Vesica_Prime
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Warcraft III in my opinion is better.

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#65 -ArchAngeL-777-
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I completely disagree. I thought Starcraft and Warcraft 2 had far better campaigns. 1) I don't like having units and abilities available to me that aren't in mutiplayer. 2) I prefer a campaign that brings you along little by little with the units. Single player is always to me a warm up to multiplayer. SC2 single player was basically just a bunch of specialized missions like Spec Ops mode in Command and Conquer. 3) This 3-game series is total milkage and a joke really. So I'm supposed to shell out for two more games for similar story lines for Zerg and Protoss? Fat chance. I would rather just have Starcraft 2 launch with all 3 campaigns, and then maybe have an expansion like they did with Brood Wars. Nothing wrong with that.
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#66 Elann2008
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Starcraft 2 had so many different objective-based missions. They were varied, unique, and well presented. So far, SC2 campaign is one of the best RTS campaigns I've played. Company of Heroes comes to mind. I really enjoyed the CoH campaign as well. I also loved Warcraft 2 and 3.

Although I'm a big fan of the DOW 40k Universe, DOW2 was horrible. Extremely repetitive and all the missions were the same. It reminded me of Assassin's Creed 1. In DOW2, you go through the same maps, fight a boss in the end. Nothing about it was tactical like they bragged about. I was really looking forward to DOW2 as well but ended up being very disappointed. Not to mention, it felt like a budget game. No storytelling in a cinematic-style like Starcraft 2. No cutscenes or movies. DOW1 was sooo much better.

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#67 Mozelleple112
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I agree completely.

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#68 RadecSupreme
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[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]

Relic is not good in making varied mission and having awesome presentation.

Espada12

I'm sorry, I have trouble taking seriously anybody who says something like this. Company of Heroes has incredible presentation in all aspects, and has decent mission variety. One mission storming the beach, one setting up an ambush, another building defenses on three bridges and trying to hold out for 10-15 minutes under constant barage. Now I haven't played SC2 so I can't compare, but to say Relic is not good at presentation and variety is simply untrue.

Knocking relic for presentation is pretty weird to. Homeworld? COH? DOW 1 (not soo much two since I didn't enjoy that one as much :P)

Dawn of war 2 was always lacking in many areas, but you should try Retribution. The campaign is so much better and interesting than the rest with its story. Its a great game and an obvious improvement over the past DOW2 games.

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#69 chrion133
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[QUOTE="chrion133"]

Zeratul, and Kerigan, especially kerigan, are two of the richest, coolest, most badass characters ever to grace a video game.

AdrianWerner

Richest? Lol...no, not even close.
They are bad ass and cool though, but you wouldn't know if from StarCraft 2.

Richness as in they have depth and feeling and you actually care about them...unlike most game characters.

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#70 Vaasman
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="chrion133"]

Zeratul, and Kerigan, especially kerigan, are two of the richest, coolest, most badass characters ever to grace a video game.

chrion133

Richest? Lol...no, not even close.
They are bad ass and cool though, but you wouldn't know if from StarCraft 2.

Richness as in they have depth and feeling and you actually care about them...unlike most game characters.

Maybe in the first game, but in the second they are stock characters at best, doing nothing but fit their predisposed archtypes with retconned personalities.

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#71 taterfrickintot
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company of heroes.

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#72 Barbariser
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It has the best campaign of its genre for this generation, followed by Company of Heroes and Opposing Fronts (Shogun II, Medieval II and World in Conflict aren't RTSs)... but it doesn't beat Homeworld, which can boast the title of having the best-written RTS story the genre's ever seen.

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#73 Ravenchrome
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company of heroes.

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taterfrickintot

NO man. Company of heroes mission maps have the same color. Boring.

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#74 NanoMan88
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Relic is not good in making varied mission and having awesome presentation.

Past Blizzard RTS, while having excellent presentation for their time, are outdated in term of level/mission design.

Homeworld has better story than Sc2, but Relic's other RTS are all thin in terms of plot and of course, variety and twist in level/mission design.

No, CoH neither has better presentation than Sc2 nor does it have the same level of replaybility and diversity.

Dawn of War 2 is downright awful and boring. (campaign)

Warcraft 3 doesn't offer anything else but story progression.

Ravenchrome

I thought WIC and COH's campaigns were superior, especially WIC which did wonders with the story, soviet assault was good too but should have been released with the game. I found the missions and free to choose gameplay in SC2 alright, but the story was down right awful

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#75 RyuRanVII
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I think Warcraft III campaign was a lot better, story and gameplay wise. Starcraft II lacked some "base-building - destroy the enemy" missions. Creative missions are welcome once and a while, but I missed some simpler missions.
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#76 lordreaven
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I think DoW2: Retributions Ork campaign has a better story. It's simple, yet thats what makes it great.

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#77 taterfrickintot
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[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

company of heroes.

/thread

Ravenchrome

NO man. Company of heroes mission maps have the same color. Boring.

not sure if serious. what do you want purple grass and rainbow bushes? its europe man lol.
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#78 JohnF111
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I only recently got DoW2 but i think it's great, SC2 did have much more polish and more time spent on it and it shows a little but still DoW2 didn't suck as much as i expected but my expectations were based purely on me never seeing ads on TV or hearing much about the game before and to be honest DoW2 was a very pleasant surprise.
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#79 skrat_01
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There is no such thing as an objective comparison. So you're automatically wrong there. No it's not the best, games like Homeworld are still fantastic, and even more recent tiles like DoW2 CR are damn great. SC2 has a very polished, consistent singleplayer, which is great, however it's not what I'd call remarkably outstanding.
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#80 Rekunta
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There is no such thing as an objective comparison. skrat_01

Whynot? Sure there is. A 911's engine is engineered far superior to a Ford model T's, when compared objectively. That's not up to opinion.

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#81 ampiva
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It had the potential to be the best ever. BUT -Too short -Goddamn abomination of a story (Seriously, what company did all the good Blizzard writers go to?) Warcraft 3 remains king in my heart.
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#82 Ragingbear505
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Homeworld by far had the best campaign. World in Conflict is a close second. Starcraft 2 I would probably give third, it was incredibly well done in its presentation but the writing and missions just couldn't keep me interested. Homeworld is the only game I've played where I truly cared about little spaceships, everytime one of my fighters blew up I just thought, "Noooooo, he'll never see Hiigara! You monsters!"

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#83 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]There is no such thing as an objective comparison. Rekunta

Whynot? Sure there is. A 911's engine is engineered far superior to a Ford model T's, when compared objectively. That's not up to opinion.

In the context of the thread topic.
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#84 II_Seraphim_II
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SC2 does have the best RTS campaign i've ever played. Awesome as hell.