StarCraft 2 will be great because?

First off, let me say that this is not a bash thread, I have nothing against StarCraft, I'm just a gamer who wants a few answers is all. I don't really know a lot about StarCraft so I figured that this would be a good place to ask.

Well anyway, I've been playing C&C for a while, but yesterday I saw StarCraft in action for the first time. I must admit, the game looked like it was really ahead of its time, considering its age. But now StarCraft 2 is coming, and I have to ask, what is it going to be doing to be another ahead of its time RTS. I saw a few screens and I wasn't too impressed with it from a graphical standpoint, but gameplay will always trump graphics, so can someone tell me what blizzard is doing to make this a phenomenal game?

Personally im looking forward to the continuation of the story line. And just the return of one of my favorite RTS units: The Marine

"Jacked up and good to go"

Blizzard Entertainment.


That's all the reason anyone needs to know it will be outstanding.
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I know that Blizzard is a great company and that alone allows me to give it the benefit of the doubt that it will be great, but I would like some actual facts about the game itself.

[QUOTE="Deactivation"]Blizzard Entertainment.


That's all the reason anyone needs to know it will be outstanding.
bobderwood97_1

I know that Blizzard is a great company and that alone allows me to give it the benefit of the doubt that it will be great, but I would like some actual facts about the game itself.

1.has any RTS before starcraft 1, or up to starcraft 2 perfectly balence 3 different and distinct races?

2. dude, its blizzard.

3. the gameplay

4. the catchphrases of each unit. "jacked up and good to go!" and "BURN!" coming from marines and firebats respectivly are some of the best things i've heard from a video game :D

Starcraft is a great game, but I don't think Starcraft 2 won't be.. but the game will sell, because... KOREA...will...eventully buy the game.... obviously..

1.has any RTS before starcraft 1, or up to starcraft 2 perfectly balence 3 different and distinct races?

2. dude, its blizzard.

3. the gameplay

4. the catchphrases of each unit. "jacked up and good to go!" and "BURN!" coming from marines and firebats respectivly are some of the best things i've heard from a video game :D

darkspineslayer

1. I think I might get siged for saying this, but I don't think that it is completely necessary to completely balance all the factions. I think that it is awesome that StarCraft does that but I believe that as long as each faction has its own strengths and weaknesses then that is ok too. Example, in C&C3 the factions aren't really balanced, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Nod's strength is that it is fast and cheap, which is excellent in the early game, but it doesn't really have any powerful late game units. I find that Nod is good in small maps with low resources. The counterpart to Nod is Scrin. Scrin is slow and powerful. It has the worst early game units, but as soon as a Scrin tech center goes up, The Scrin are the ones that are going to be the ones in control. I find that Scrin works best on large maps with lots of resources. Then there is GDI, the vanilla ice cream of C&C. GDI is the most well rounded faction, with good early game units and good late game units, GDI is capable of holding its own in just about any situation and is applicable on just about any map. The only problem with GDI is that it isn't the best in any category, however at the same time it isn't the worst in any category either.

2. I already said that the fact that its made by blizzard allows it to get the benefit of the doubt that it will be good.

3. Elaboration please?

4. Ha, ok, but StarCraft isn't the only RTS that has this ya know.

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]

1.has any RTS before starcraft 1, or up to starcraft 2 perfectly balence 3 different and distinct races?

2. dude, its blizzard.

3. the gameplay

4. the catchphrases of each unit. "jacked up and good to go!" and "BURN!" coming from marines and firebats respectivly are some of the best things i've heard from a video game :D

bobderwood97_1

1. I think I might get siged for saying this, but I don't think that it is completely necessary to completely balance all the factions. I think that it is awesome that StarCraft does that but I believe that as long as each faction has its own strengths and weaknesses then that is ok too. Example, in C&C3 the factions aren't really balanced, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Nod's strength is that it is fast and cheap, which is excellent in the early game, but it doesn't really have any powerful late game units. I find that Nod is good in small maps with low resources. The counterpart to Nod is Scrin. Scrin is slow and powerful. It has the worst early game units, but as soon as a Scrin tech center goes up, The Scrin are the ones that are going to be the ones in control. I find that Scrin works best on large maps with lots of resources. Then there is GDI, the vanilla ice cream of C&C. GDI is the most well rounded faction, with good early game units and good late game units, GDI is capable of holding its own in just about any situation and is applicable on just about any map. The only problem with GDI is that it isn't the best in any category, however at the same time it isn't the worst in any category either.

2. I already said that the fact that its made by blizzard allows it to get the benefit of the doubt that it will be good.

3. Elaboration please?

4. Ha, ok, but StarCraft isn't the only RTS that has this ya know.

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]

1.has any RTS before starcraft 1, or up to starcraft 2 perfectly balence 3 different and distinct races?

2. dude, its blizzard.

3. the gameplay

4. the catchphrases of each unit. "jacked up and good to go!" and "BURN!" coming from marines and firebats respectivly are some of the best things i've heard from a video game :D

bobderwood97_1

1. I think I might get siged for saying this, but I don't think that it is completely necessary to completely balance all the factions. I think that it is awesome that StarCraft does that but I believe that as long as each faction has its own strengths and weaknesses then that is ok too. Example, in C&C3 the factions aren't really balanced, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Nod's strength is that it is fast and cheap, which is excellent in the early game, but it doesn't really have any powerful late game units. I find that Nod is good in small maps with low resources. The counterpart to Nod is Scrin. Scrin is slow and powerful. It has the worst early game units, but as soon as a Scrin tech center goes up, The Scrin are the ones that are going to be the ones in control. I find that Scrin works best on large maps with lots of resources. Then there is GDI, the vanilla ice cream of C&C. GDI is the most well rounded faction, with good early game units and good late game units, GDI is capable of holding its own in just about any situation and is applicable on just about any map. The only problem with GDI is that it isn't the best in any category, however at the same time it isn't the worst in any category either.

2. I already said that the fact that its made by blizzard allows it to get the benefit of the doubt that it will be good.

3. Elaboration please?

4. Ha, ok, but StarCraft isn't the only RTS that has this ya know.

Blizzard Entertainment.


That's all the reason anyone needs to know it will be outstanding.
Deactivation

Blizzard Entertainment. You may roll your eyes at that reason, but its more then enough for me.

I would walk into a store tommorow and if i saw a Blizzard game i knew nothing about, had never heard of of, and DIDNT EVEN LOOK INTERESTING TO ME, id buy it without a second thought. Its Blizzard. There that damn good.

The main answer you will get is "It's Blizzard", which I fully agree with considering their track record.

Anyway, Blizzard has a really good base for this game, the three different races are completely awesome, they have an epic story line, and some great characters.

Also, they know how to make a good game.

its made by a developer who is willing to delay the game or even cancell it if its not up to their AAA standards....

and for that reason, the game will never flop...

Blizzard started the entire Starcraft project over at one point even...thats just how dedicaded they are.

wow, its amazing how many people here just kiss blizzards a**.

past eprformance =/= future performance, blizzard isnt even the same company as it was when it released its last good game (WC3 FT).

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]

1.has any RTS before starcraft 1, or up to starcraft 2 perfectly balence 3 different and distinct races?

2. dude, its blizzard.

3. the gameplay

4. the catchphrases of each unit. "jacked up and good to go!" and "BURN!" coming from marines and firebats respectivly are some of the best things i've heard from a video game :D

bobderwood97_1

1. I think I might get siged for saying this, but I don't think that it is completely necessary to completely balance all the factions. I think that it is awesome that StarCraft does that but I believe that as long as each faction has its own strengths and weaknesses then that is ok too. Example, in C&C3 the factions aren't really balanced, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Nod's strength is that it is fast and cheap, which is excellent in the early game, but it doesn't really have any powerful late game units. I find that Nod is good in small maps with low resources. The counterpart to Nod is Scrin. Scrin is slow and powerful. It has the worst early game units, but as soon as a Scrin tech center goes up, The Scrin are the ones that are going to be the ones in control. I find that Scrin works best on large maps with lots of resources. Then there is GDI, the vanilla ice cream of C&C. GDI is the most well rounded faction, with good early game units and good late game units, GDI is capable of holding its own in just about any situation and is applicable on just about any map. The only problem with GDI is that it isn't the best in any category, however at the same time it isn't the worst in any category either.

wow I can already tell that you have not played that many RTS's. because Starcraft is so balanced it allows for alot of strategies, some better than others, but there is always a counter to each strategy.

With the unbalance in CnC3 not every strategy has a counter like the perfect balance in SC. Since Tank spamming with the GDI is the best strategy and has no counter, then everybody online uses it. That's boring because when I join a game I know the GDI opponent is going to tank spam so the only choice I have is to tank spam back.

Balance = more diversity

2. I already said that the fact that its made by blizzard allows it to get the benefit of the doubt that it will be good.

3. Elaboration please?

4. Ha, ok, but StarCraft isn't the only RTS that has this ya know.

wow, its amazing how many people here just kiss blizzards a**.

past eprformance =/= future performance, blizzard isnt even the same company as it was when it released its last good game (WC3 FT).

warmaster670

OK lets here a bad game they have released recently? Their latest being WoW which is great game. BTW blizzard is the same company, they only lost a few staff and merged with activision who aren't on ANY of thier products. Activision isn't even getting to put thier name on them.

wow, its amazing how many people here just kiss blizzards a**.

past eprformance =/= future performance, blizzard isnt even the same company as it was when it released its last good game (WC3 FT).

warmaster670

wow, its amazing how many people here just kiss blizzards a**.

past eprformance =/= future performance, blizzard isnt even the same company as it was when it released its last good game (WC3 FT).

warmaster670

If you were a gambling (wo)man, would you rather bet on Blizzard's next game being incredibly awesome or sucking total ass?

First off, let me say that this is not a bash thread, I have nothing against StarCraft, I'm just a gamer who wants a few answers is all. I don't really know a lot about StarCraft so I figured that this would be a good place to ask.

Well anyway, I've been playing C&C for a while, but yesterday I saw StarCraft in action for the first time. I must admit, the game looked like it was really ahead of its time, considering its age. But now StarCraft 2 is coming, and I have to ask, what is it going to be doing to be another ahead of its time RTS. I saw a few screens and I wasn't too impressed with it from a graphical standpoint, but gameplay will always trump graphics, so can someone tell me what blizzard is doing to make this a phenomenal game?

bobderwood97_1

Will Starcraft 2 be great? We don't know, but we are so optimistic about it because Blizzard simply never fails to deliver.

Starcraft isn't revolutionary, it just perfects the RTS genre. It gives a game with a great atmosphere, units, charaters and overall delivers a very unique personality.

Starcraft 2 will probably get a 9.0, hell maybe even an 8.5 because it doesn't reinnovate the genre. But it will still be conisdered the greatest RTS ever made by millions of people. Why? Because it's perfect. The first starcraft had3 unique races that were perfectly balanced. Professional player proved this. It all depended on your play style.

Now look at a more innovative game (well not really) like Command & Conquer 3. Scored very highly. But you know what? The 3 teams weren't unique from each other at all, and the game is very unbalanced. Infantry weren't even needed and GDI mammoth tanks were overpowered. There was no variety to the game's strategies, you just mass tanks in the first minute of the game and see what happens.

Every team had different looking units, but they all did the same things. The competitive aspect of the game is simply dull compared to Starcraft, which is why you hear next to nothing about the C&C competitve community, yet you hear Starcraft is nearly a national sport in Korea.

Same goes with World in Conflict. Rated high for innovation, but let's be serious. How practical is this game for serious competition? There's so many factors in the game its disgusting.

Which is why Starcraft succeeds -- it's simple. Mine minerals, build a base, build a force, and rely on strategy alone to win the game. RTS games are like a game of chess. New RTSs are always trying to add new chess pieces that give the game more complexity, while starcraft simplytakes the chess pieces given to them, and gives them different moves.

This is also the reason Counter-Strike was so popular. It doesn't do anything new, it just makes the FPS game perfect. All these new games try to add controlling time, special nano-suits, and bubble shields that confuse the battlefield. Counter-Strike throws all that out the window and says, "look, here's a gun, you'll win if you learn how to shoot it better than the other guy." And that's why Counter-Strike today is still one of the most popular competively played games.

[QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"]

First off, let me say that this is not a bash thread, I have nothing against StarCraft, I'm just a gamer who wants a few answers is all. I don't really know a lot about StarCraft so I figured that this would be a good place to ask.

Well anyway, I've been playing C&C for a while, but yesterday I saw StarCraft in action for the first time. I must admit, the game looked like it was really ahead of its time, considering its age. But now StarCraft 2 is coming, and I have to ask, what is it going to be doing to be another ahead of its time RTS. I saw a few screens and I wasn't too impressed with it from a graphical standpoint, but gameplay will always trump graphics, so can someone tell me what blizzard is doing to make this a phenomenal game?

Koalakommander

Will Starcraft 2 be great? We don't know, but we are so optimistic about it because Blizzard simply never fails to deliver.

Starcraft isn't revolutionary, it just perfects the RTS genre. It gives a game with a great atmosphere, units, charaters and overall delivers a very unique personality.

Starcraft 2 will probably get a 9.0, hell maybe even an 8.5 because it doesn't reinnovate the genre. But it will still be conisdered the greatest RTS ever made by millions of people. Why? Because it's perfect. The first starcraft had3 unique races that were perfectly balanced. Professional player proved this. It all depended on your play style.

Now look at a more innovative game (well not really) like Command & Conquer 3. Scored very highly. But you know what? The 3 teams weren't unique from each other at all, and the game is very unbalanced. Infantry weren't even needed and GDI mammoth tanks were overpowered. There was no variety to the game's strategies, you just mass tanks in the first minute of the game and see what happens.

Every team had different looking units, but they all did the same things. The competitive aspect of the game is simply dull compared to Starcraft, which is why you hear next to nothing about the C&C competitve community, yet you hear Starcraft is nearly a national sport in Korea.

Same goes with World in Conflict. Rated high for innovation, but let's be serious. How practical is this game for serious competition? There's so many factors in the game its disgusting.

Which is why Starcraft succeeds -- it's simple. Mine minerals, build a base, build a force, and rely on strategy alone to win the game. RTS games are like a game of chess. New RTSs are always trying to add new chess pieces that give the game more complexity, while starcraft simplytakes the chess pieces given to them, and gives them different moves.

This is also the reason Counter-Strike was so popular. It doesn't do anything new, it just makes the FPS game perfect. All these new games try to add controlling time, special nano-suits, and bubble shields that confuse the battlefield. Counter-Strike throws all that out the window and says, "look, here's a gun, you'll win if you learn how to shoot it better than the other guy." And that's why Counter-Strike today is still one of the most popular competively played games.

haha I was with you until that thinly veiled Halo 3 diss. Halo 3 is also widely considered one of the better competitive FPSs. This isn't coming from me either, but the millions who play it.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"]

First off, let me say that this is not a bash thread, I have nothing against StarCraft, I'm just a gamer who wants a few answers is all. I don't really know a lot about StarCraft so I figured that this would be a good place to ask.

Well anyway, I've been playing C&C for a while, but yesterday I saw StarCraft in action for the first time. I must admit, the game looked like it was really ahead of its time, considering its age. But now StarCraft 2 is coming, and I have to ask, what is it going to be doing to be another ahead of its time RTS. I saw a few screens and I wasn't too impressed with it from a graphical standpoint, but gameplay will always trump graphics, so can someone tell me what blizzard is doing to make this a phenomenal game?

mynameisdumb

Will Starcraft 2 be great? We don't know, but we are so optimistic about it because Blizzard simply never fails to deliver.

Starcraft isn't revolutionary, it just perfects the RTS genre. It gives a game with a great atmosphere, units, charaters and overall delivers a very unique personality.

Starcraft 2 will probably get a 9.0, hell maybe even an 8.5 because it doesn't reinnovate the genre. But it will still be conisdered the greatest RTS ever made by millions of people. Why? Because it's perfect. The first starcraft had3 unique races that were perfectly balanced. Professional player proved this. It all depended on your play style.

Now look at a more innovative game (well not really) like Command & Conquer 3. Scored very highly. But you know what? The 3 teams weren't unique from each other at all, and the game is very unbalanced. Infantry weren't even needed and GDI mammoth tanks were overpowered. There was no variety to the game's strategies, you just mass tanks in the first minute of the game and see what happens.

Every team had different looking units, but they all did the same things. The competitive aspect of the game is simply dull compared to Starcraft, which is why you hear next to nothing about the C&C competitve community, yet you hear Starcraft is nearly a national sport in Korea.

Same goes with World in Conflict. Rated high for innovation, but let's be serious. How practical is this game for serious competition? There's so many factors in the game its disgusting.

Which is why Starcraft succeeds -- it's simple. Mine minerals, build a base, build a force, and rely on strategy alone to win the game. RTS games are like a game of chess. New RTSs are always trying to add new chess pieces that give the game more complexity, while starcraft simplytakes the chess pieces given to them, and gives them different moves.

This is also the reason Counter-Strike was so popular. It doesn't do anything new, it just makes the FPS game perfect. All these new games try to add controlling time, special nano-suits, and bubble shields that confuse the battlefield. Counter-Strike throws all that out the window and says, "look, here's a gun, you'll win if you learn how to shoot it better than the other guy." And that's why Counter-Strike today is still one of the most popular competively played games.

haha I was with you until that thinly veiled Halo 3 diss. Halo 3 is also widely considered one of the better competitive FPSs. This isn't coming from me either, but the millions who play it.

You misinterpreted my example. Games that add more features to a game are still great fun, and I hope people continue adding things to the genres. Halo is a very competitive FPS, but it's restriction to a console platform (not a diss) has kept it from becoming as big as Counter-Strike. There are very few Pro Halo players and the only league that supports them is MLG, everything else is basically underground.

Counter-Strike is better received because of the reasons i mentioned above, but Halo is still has a robust competitive atmosphere. But its casual fanbase will never let it grow to into something like CS or Starcraft.

Because the original was amazing and Blizzard has a prettymuch flawless track record. SC2 probably wont have the same impact as the first but it will still be damned good.Lazy_Boy88

It may actually be bigger considering Korea worships it.

Blizzard. It could be called "Two girls One cup" and I would still play it. Why? Blizzard has never released a bad game, ever.rimnet00

I mostly blame Sunsoft, though.

As for reasons why Starcraft 2 will be great:

1. Revolutionary additions to the single player experience never before seen in the franchise such as a dialogue tree system, customizable armies, side quest, indepth detail of the game world and a different experience with every faction.
2. Brand new units, gameplay mechanics, and latest additions to older units (Ghosts finally having a purpose outside Nuking and Lockdown, for example) expands upon the different faction mechanic Blizzard has perfected with Starcraft.
3. Starcraft 2 continues on the epic Starcraft Saga, giving us detail about what happen 4 years after the Zerg winning Brood War as well as the appearance of the most mysterious race in Starcraft lore, the Xel'Naga. Plus everybody wants to see if Kerrigan and Raynor's relationship will ever be mended after all the betrayals and backstabs.
4. The latest version of StarEdit will be out of the box, meaning that the community will be creating awesome games within weeks of the game's release much like what they did in Starcraft and Warcraft III.
5. It's Blizzard. I loved almost all of the games they've every made.

[QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]

1.has any RTS before starcraft 1, or up to starcraft 2 perfectly balence 3 different and distinct races?

2. dude, its blizzard.

3. the gameplay

4. the catchphrases of each unit. "jacked up and good to go!" and "BURN!" coming from marines and firebats respectivly are some of the best things i've heard from a video game :D

NoNam3r

1. I think I might get siged for saying this, but I don't think that it is completely necessary to completely balance all the factions. I think that it is awesome that StarCraft does that but I believe that as long as each faction has its own strengths and weaknesses then that is ok too. Example, in C&C3 the factions aren't really balanced, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Nod's strength is that it is fast and cheap, which is excellent in the early game, but it doesn't really have any powerful late game units. I find that Nod is good in small maps with low resources. The counterpart to Nod is Scrin. Scrin is slow and powerful. It has the worst early game units, but as soon as a Scrin tech center goes up, The Scrin are the ones that are going to be the ones in control. I find that Scrin works best on large maps with lots of resources. Then there is GDI, the vanilla ice cream of C&C. GDI is the most well rounded faction, with good early game units and good late game units, GDI is capable of holding its own in just about any situation and is applicable on just about any map. The only problem with GDI is that it isn't the best in any category, however at the same time it isn't the worst in any category either.

wow I can already tell that you have not played that many RTS's. because Starcraft is so balanced it allows for alot of strategies, some better than others, but there is always a counter to each strategy.

With the unbalance in CnC3 not every strategy has a counter like the perfect balance in SC. Since Tank spamming with the GDI is the best strategy and has no counter, then everybody online uses it. That's boring because when I join a game I know the GDI opponent is going to tank spam so the only choice I have is to tank spam back.

Balance = more diversity

2. I already said that the fact that its made by blizzard allows it to get the benefit of the doubt that it will be good.

3. Elaboration please?

4. Ha, ok, but StarCraft isn't the only RTS that has this ya know.

I'll agree with you on the fact that I haven't played too many RTS's but that's about it. I believe that just every strategy has a counter in C&C3. Admittedly tank spamming is the most basic strategy in the game and it can be difficult to counter it, but that doesn't mean that its not possible. A lot of people forget about the other units in the game. Its not that hard to counter an early game tank rush, what you can do is mix a few tanks with a few rocket soldiers and possibly some air units, a diverse attack force usually fares much better then a large force of just one unit. And if you don't like tank spamming then try Scrin. A mix of Annihilator Tripods, Devastators and Planetary Assault Carriers are so powerful, that mix will decimate tanks and just about anything else in its way, and you could still mix in some other units in that attack force. These are just basic counters, I don't feel like going into the more complex strategies but I am pretty sure that if there is a strategy, then there is a way to counter it.

[QUOTE="NoNam3r"][QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]

1.has any RTS before starcraft 1, or up to starcraft 2 perfectly balence 3 different and distinct races?

2. dude, its blizzard.

3. the gameplay

4. the catchphrases of each unit. "jacked up and good to go!" and "BURN!" coming from marines and firebats respectivly are some of the best things i've heard from a video game :D

bobderwood97_1

1. I think I might get siged for saying this, but I don't think that it is completely necessary to completely balance all the factions. I think that it is awesome that StarCraft does that but I believe that as long as each faction has its own strengths and weaknesses then that is ok too. Example, in C&C3 the factions aren't really balanced, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Nod's strength is that it is fast and cheap, which is excellent in the early game, but it doesn't really have any powerful late game units. I find that Nod is good in small maps with low resources. The counterpart to Nod is Scrin. Scrin is slow and powerful. It has the worst early game units, but as soon as a Scrin tech center goes up, The Scrin are the ones that are going to be the ones in control. I find that Scrin works best on large maps with lots of resources. Then there is GDI, the vanilla ice cream of C&C. GDI is the most well rounded faction, with good early game units and good late game units, GDI is capable of holding its own in just about any situation and is applicable on just about any map. The only problem with GDI is that it isn't the best in any category, however at the same time it isn't the worst in any category either.

wow I can already tell that you have not played that many RTS's. because Starcraft is so balanced it allows for alot of strategies, some better than others, but there is always a counter to each strategy.

With the unbalance in CnC3 not every strategy has a counter like the perfect balance in SC. Since Tank spamming with the GDI is the best strategy and has no counter, then everybody online uses it. That's boring because when I join a game I know the GDI opponent is going to tank spam so the only choice I have is to tank spam back.

Balance = more diversity

2. I already said that the fact that its made by blizzard allows it to get the benefit of the doubt that it will be good.

3. Elaboration please?

4. Ha, ok, but StarCraft isn't the only RTS that has this ya know.

I'll agree with you on the fact that I haven't played too many RTS's but that's about it. I believe that just every strategy has a counter in C&C3. Admittedly tank spamming is the most basic strategy in the game and it can be difficult to counter it, but that doesn't mean that its not possible. A lot of people forget about the other units in the game. Its not that hard to counter an early game tank rush, what you can do is mix a few tanks with a few rocket soldiers and possibly some air units, a diverse attack force usually fares much better then a large force of just one unit. And if you don't like tank spamming then try Scrin. A mix of Annihilator Tripods, Devastators and Planetary Assault Carriers are so powerful, that mix will decimate tanks and just about anything else in its way, and you could still mix in some other units in that attack force. These are just basic counters, I don't feel like going into the more complex strategies but I am pretty sure that if there is a strategy, then there is a way to counter it.

C&C3 is a fun game and deserved its high scores. But it isn't entirely pracitical for competitive gaming for the reasons I stated above.

[QUOTE="NoNam3r"][QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]

1.has any RTS before starcraft 1, or up to starcraft 2 perfectly balence 3 different and distinct races?

2. dude, its blizzard.

3. the gameplay

4. the catchphrases of each unit. "jacked up and good to go!" and "BURN!" coming from marines and firebats respectivly are some of the best things i've heard from a video game :D

bobderwood97_1

1. I think I might get siged for saying this, but I don't think that it is completely necessary to completely balance all the factions. I think that it is awesome that StarCraft does that but I believe that as long as each faction has its own strengths and weaknesses then that is ok too. Example, in C&C3 the factions aren't really balanced, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Nod's strength is that it is fast and cheap, which is excellent in the early game, but it doesn't really have any powerful late game units. I find that Nod is good in small maps with low resources. The counterpart to Nod is Scrin. Scrin is slow and powerful. It has the worst early game units, but as soon as a Scrin tech center goes up, The Scrin are the ones that are going to be the ones in control. I find that Scrin works best on large maps with lots of resources. Then there is GDI, the vanilla ice cream of C&C. GDI is the most well rounded faction, with good early game units and good late game units, GDI is capable of holding its own in just about any situation and is applicable on just about any map. The only problem with GDI is that it isn't the best in any category, however at the same time it isn't the worst in any category either.

wow I can already tell that you have not played that many RTS's. because Starcraft is so balanced it allows for alot of strategies, some better than others, but there is always a counter to each strategy.

With the unbalance in CnC3 not every strategy has a counter like the perfect balance in SC. Since Tank spamming with the GDI is the best strategy and has no counter, then everybody online uses it. That's boring because when I join a game I know the GDI opponent is going to tank spam so the only choice I have is to tank spam back.

Balance = more diversity

2. I already said that the fact that its made by blizzard allows it to get the benefit of the doubt that it will be good.

3. Elaboration please?

4. Ha, ok, but StarCraft isn't the only RTS that has this ya know.

I'll agree with you on the fact that I haven't played too many RTS's but that's about it. I believe that just every strategy has a counter in C&C3. Admittedly tank spamming is the most basic strategy in the game and it can be difficult to counter it, but that doesn't mean that its not possible. A lot of people forget about the other units in the game. Its not that hard to counter an early game tank rush, what you can do is mix a few tanks with a few rocket soldiers and possibly some air units, a diverse attack force usually fares much better then a large force of just one unit. And if you don't like tank spamming then try Scrin. A mix of Annihilator Tripods, Devastators and Planetary Assault Carriers are so powerful, that mix will decimate tanks and just about anything else in its way, and you could still mix in some other units in that attack force. These are just basic counters, I don't feel like going into the more complex strategies but I am pretty sure that if there is a strategy, then there is a way to counter it.

You will never get that far into a game with a tank spammer. Mammoths are inexpensive compared to all those units and don't require as much buildings/tech. Hell if you try to go that route you will be overrun by regular tanks then the mammoth spam will begin while you are recovering. The game is a spam and rush one, a basic unit has such a powerful performance to cost margin that it's actually OP while doing nothing more than firing a tank shot.

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1.has any RTS before starcraft 1, or up to starcraft 2 perfectly balence 3 different and distinct races?

2. dude, its blizzard.

3. the gameplay

4. the catchphrases of each unit. "jacked up and good to go!" and "BURN!" coming from marines and firebats respectivly are some of the best things i've heard from a video game :D

jangojay

1. I think I might get siged for saying this, but I don't think that it is completely necessary to completely balance all the factions. I think that it is awesome that StarCraft does that but I believe that as long as each faction has its own strengths and weaknesses then that is ok too. Example, in C&C3 the factions aren't really balanced, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Nod's strength is that it is fast and cheap, which is excellent in the early game, but it doesn't really have any powerful late game units. I find that Nod is good in small maps with low resources. The counterpart to Nod is Scrin. Scrin is slow and powerful. It has the worst early game units, but as soon as a Scrin tech center goes up, The Scrin are the ones that are going to be the ones in control. I find that Scrin works best on large maps with lots of resources. Then there is GDI, the vanilla ice cream of C&C. GDI is the most well rounded faction, with good early game units and good late game units, GDI is capable of holding its own in just about any situation and is applicable on just about any map. The only problem with GDI is that it isn't the best in any category, however at the same time it isn't the worst in any category either.

wow I can already tell that you have not played that many RTS's. because Starcraft is so balanced it allows for alot of strategies, some better than others, but there is always a counter to each strategy.

With the unbalance in CnC3 not every strategy has a counter like the perfect balance in SC. Since Tank spamming with the GDI is the best strategy and has no counter, then everybody online uses it. That's boring because when I join a game I know the GDI opponent is going to tank spam so the only choice I have is to tank spam back.

Balance = more diversity

2. I already said that the fact that its made by blizzard allows it to get the benefit of the doubt that it will be good.

3. Elaboration please?

4. Ha, ok, but StarCraft isn't the only RTS that has this ya know.

I'll agree with you on the fact that I haven't played too many RTS's but that's about it. I believe that just every strategy has a counter in C&C3. Admittedly tank spamming is the most basic strategy in the game and it can be difficult to counter it, but that doesn't mean that its not possible. A lot of people forget about the other units in the game. Its not that hard to counter an early game tank rush, what you can do is mix a few tanks with a few rocket soldiers and possibly some air units, a diverse attack force usually fares much better then a large force of just one unit. And if you don't like tank spamming then try Scrin. A mix of Annihilator Tripods, Devastators and Planetary Assault Carriers are so powerful, that mix will decimate tanks and just about anything else in its way, and you could still mix in some other units in that attack force. These are just basic counters, I don't feel like going into the more complex strategies but I am pretty sure that if there is a strategy, then there is a way to counter it.

You will never get that far into a game with a tank spammer. Mammoths are inexpensive compared to all those units and don't require as much buildings/tech. Hell if you try to go that route you will be overrun by regular tanks then the mammoth spam will begin while you are recovering. The game is a spam and rush one, a basic unit has such a powerful performance to cost margin that it's actually OP while doing nothing more than firing a tank shot.

That is designed for late game, like I said earlier Scrin are best in late game, but that doesn't mean that you can't counter a tank rusher/spammer with Scrin. All you need to is build the anti-vehicle infantry mix them in with devourer tanks and maybe add some storm riders and then your rusher will wish he did something more clever. I agree that tank spamming is easy and effective, but any skilled player should be able to counter it.

Ahhh i see what you mean, well if you never played Starcraft 1 you wont fully know y, Ive played alot of RTS trust me, from almost every command and conquer (i only missed red alert 1), age of empires 2 and 3, starcraft, and warcarftand alot more. From all the experiences i had Starcraft was the best followed by warcraft which is from blizzard aswell, what im getting to is, That starcraft is one of the best balanced RTS not only that the story is amazing, and it actually requires skills to play, lets say in Command and Conquer the game is mostly all rush and mass nm to it, while in starcraft it all depends and ALWAY varies, Also you never Micro nor macro much is C&C unlike in starcraft it really helps if u do. also the units in starcraft r blanced unlike command and conquer their nm, In starcraft all units have a weakness and strentgths, IN C7c they have to yet balance that...

Ahhh i see what you mean, well if you never played Starcraft 1 you wont fully know y, Ive played alot of RTS trust me, from almost every command and conquer (i only missed red alert 1), age of empires 2 and 3, starcraft, and warcarftand alot more. From all the experiences i had Starcraft was the best followed by warcraft which is from blizzard aswell, what im getting to is, That starcraft is one of the best balanced RTS not only that the story is amazing, and it actually requires skills to play, lets say in Command and Conquer the game is mostly all rush and mass nm to it, while in starcraft it all depends and ALWAY varies, Also you never Micro nor macro much is C&C unlike in starcraft it really helps if u do. also the units in starcraft r blanced unlike command and conquer their nm, In starcraft all units have a weakness and strentgths, IN C7c they have to yet balance that...

Blanco98

indeed, and instead of fixing the problems of the game they are instead making an expansion. C&C is a fun game, just not practical for a competitive game for you to practice with. I've tried.

There are some units in C&C 3 that you will simply never use, and that is sloppy development.

Dude it's Blizzard, the greatest PC developers to ever grace us. The kinda guys who will can a spin off console shooter, just to make a good PC game even better.

They might take their time, but they are commited to given the player the best they can, and that's all I need to know.