Starcraft 2 will be the greatest RTS and/or Game of all time!

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#1 randar23rhenn
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This is a proven fact. Starcraft continues to be my favorite game ever, and the second one looks even better, and caters to the fast, action packed gameplay of the original.

The only RTS games that have had any impact close to Starcraft, imo, are Rome: Total War, Homeworld, and Sins of a Solar Empire.

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#2 f50p90
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What is with all of these OPINION threads going on in the last hour?
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#4 meetroid8
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Idk there alot of amazing games that it would have to compete with.
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#5 randar23rhenn
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Idk there alot of amazing games that it would have to compete with.meetroid8
Starcraft has no competition.
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#6 Dalo12345
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Greatest RTS and/OR game of all time? WTF? If it isn't the best RTS of all time how can it be the best game?
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#7 redstormrisen
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Im far more exited for red alert 3 and finding out how Boris got his sex change myself:P

But seriosly, even though Starcraft two will most probably be the better game, RA3 is still red alert.

And will still have Boris.

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What is with all of these OPINION threads going on in the last hour?f50p90
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#9 randar23rhenn
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Greatest RTS and/OR game of all time? WTF? If it isn't the best RTS of all time how can it be the best game?Dalo12345
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#10 randar23rhenn
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Im far more exited for red alert 3 and finding out how Boris got his sex change myself:P

But seriosly, even though Starcraft two will most probably be the better game, RA3 is still red alert.

And will still have Boris.

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Command and Conquer is honestly laughable compared to Starcraft.
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I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

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#12 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

3XRatedlocc

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#13 Nagru
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I've always preferred Total Anihhilation to Starcraft, and I doubt Starcraft 2 will change that.
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#14 randar23rhenn
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I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

3XRatedlocc
That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.
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#15 thrones
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[QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

randar23rhenn

That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.

He meant story wise, which it is.

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#16 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

randar23rhenn

That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.

lol, ya starcraft is sure balanced.

all you have to do is play zerg and well, zerg, especially agaisnt protoss.

starcraft isnt even that great of a game, why its held in such high regard is beyond me.

though at least the computer didnt cheat quite as bad as it does in dark crusade.

and yes, it is a watered down 40k, 40k being a universe and not a game

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#17 randar23rhenn
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[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

thrones

That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.

He meant story wise, which it is.

A mind reader, eh? In any case, playing an RTS for the storyline is hilarious and pointless. RTS = STRATEGY.
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#18 randar23rhenn
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[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

warmaster670

That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.

lol, ya starcraft is sure balanced.

all you have to do is play zerg and well, zerg, especially agaisnt protoss.

starcraft isnt even that great of a game, why its held in such high regard is beyond me.

though at least the computer didnt cheat quite as bad as it does in dark crusade.

and yes, it is a watered down 40k, 40k being a universe and not a game

*sigh* It is pointless to argue this point. It is clear that your knowledge of the RTS genre is nigh laughable.
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#19 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

randar23rhenn

That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.

lol, ya starcraft is sure balanced.

all you have to do is play zerg and well, zerg, especially agaisnt protoss.

starcraft isnt even that great of a game, why its held in such high regard is beyond me.

though at least the computer didnt cheat quite as bad as it does in dark crusade.

and yes, it is a watered down 40k, 40k being a universe and not a game

*sigh* It is pointless to argue this point. It is clear that your knowledge of the RTS genre is nigh laughable.

how so? because im not in love with SC? becasue i dont like wasting time harvesting resources, when id rather be playing the game?

tehres tons of RTS games better than SC

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#20 ATLBIinger
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Unless Starcraft has Armored Bears in it then its a no go.
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#21 Nagru
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A mind reader, eh? In any case, playing an RTS for the storyline is hilarious and pointless. RTS = STRATEGY.
randar23rhenn

Then play Total Annihilation. (Made in 1997 by Chris Taylor.)

Story: Starcraft >>>>>>> Total Annihilation

Gameplay: Total Annihilation >>>>>>>> Starcraft

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#22 CajunShooter
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This is a proven fact. Starcraft continues to be my favorite game ever.

randar23rhenn

This post is an opinion. This is a proven fact.

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#23 randar23rhenn
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Thank you for pointing out the nuances of having opinions to me. I never would have figured out that saying it's my favorite game is an opinion.

Starcraft IS the greatest game ever though. That is a fact.

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#24 warmaster670
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Thank you for pointing out the nuances of having opinions to me. I never would have figured out that saying it's my favorite game is an opinion.

Starcraft IS the greatest game ever though. That is a fact.

randar23rhenn

nope, sorry, its not fact.

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[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

thrones

That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.

He meant story wise, which it is.

Actually game wise the story in SC is much better than in the DoW games, you actually have memorable events, characters and not only one great cutscene. I can't even remmeber the name of one guy from DoW, but I do remmeber, DeGal, Alexi, Kerrigan, Jim Raynor, Fenix, Tassadar, Mengsk, Duran etc. The cutscenes, especially in BroodWar opening and ending are amazing, and the events like the anime inspired Tassadars sacrifice are much more memmorable and better handled than whatever is in DoW. SC actually got a nomination for story of the year, DoW did not.

Also if you are to stupid to notice the differences between WH40K and SC, then I will not even bother. Oh and StarCraft is an AAA franchise where the original sold over 9 million copies and is still played by many all over the world, Dawn of War is an AA franchise that sold 2 million eaten up by WH40K fans.

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#26 randar23rhenn
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[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"]

Thank you for pointing out the nuances of having opinions to me. I never would have figured out that saying it's my favorite game is an opinion.

Starcraft IS the greatest game ever though. That is a fact.

warmaster670

nope, sorry, its not fact.

Incorrect. Educate yourself.
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#27 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

Nikalai_88

That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.

He meant story wise, which it is.

Actually game wise the story in SC is much better than in the DoW games, you actually have memorable events, characters and not only one great cutscene. I can't even remmeber the name of one guy from DoW, but I do remmeber, DeGal, Alexi, Kerrigan, Jim Raynor, Fenix, Tassadar, Mengsk, Duran etc. The cutscenes, especially in BroodWar opening and ending are amazing, and the events like the anime inspired Tassadars sacrifice are much more memmorable and better handled than whatever is in DoW. SC actually got a nomination for story of the year, DoW did not.

Also if you are to stupid to notice the differences between WH40K and SC, then I will not even bother. Oh and StarCraft is an AAA franchise where the original sold over 9 million copies and is still played by many all over the world, Dawn of War is an AA franchise that sold 2 million eaten up by WH40K fans.

40k universe>SC universe, no one here said anything about DoWs story.

stacraft is also 6 years older than DoW, so its obvious its sold more

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#28 sc_ajk29
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Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.
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#29 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"]

Thank you for pointing out the nuances of having opinions to me. I never would have figured out that saying it's my favorite game is an opinion.

Starcraft IS the greatest game ever though. That is a fact.

randar23rhenn

nope, sorry, its not fact.

Incorrect. Educate yourself.

maybe you need to educate yourself, becuase whether the game is even good or nots opinion.

get over it

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#30 randar23rhenn
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[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"]

Thank you for pointing out the nuances of having opinions to me. I never would have figured out that saying it's my favorite game is an opinion.

Starcraft IS the greatest game ever though. That is a fact.

warmaster670

nope, sorry, its not fact.

Incorrect. Educate yourself.

maybe you need to educate yourself, becuase whether the game is even good or nots opinion.

get over it

Not in Starcraft's case.
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#31 randar23rhenn
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Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.sc_ajk29
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#32 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"]

Thank you for pointing out the nuances of having opinions to me. I never would have figured out that saying it's my favorite game is an opinion.

Starcraft IS the greatest game ever though. That is a fact.

randar23rhenn

nope, sorry, its not fact.

Incorrect. Educate yourself.

maybe you need to educate yourself, becuase whether the game is even good or nots opinion.

get over it

Not in Starcraft's case.

you can live in denail all you want, doesnt change the fact its all opinion.

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#33 sc_ajk29
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[QUOTE="redstormrisen"]

Im far more exited for red alert 3 and finding out how Boris got his sex change myself:P

But seriosly, even though Starcraft two will most probably be the better game, RA3 is still red alert.

And will still have Boris.

randar23rhenn

Command and Conquer is honestly laughable compared to Starcraft.

Ahh no, Command and Conquer, WarCraft III, Age of Empires III, Battle for Middle-Earth, Emperor: Battle for Dune, Star Wars: Empire at War, World in Conflict, and Universe at War all make StarCraft look like garbage. And probably other RTS games that I haven't played yet, such as Company of Heroes, Dawn of War, Sins of a Solar Empire, and Supreme Commander, will make StarCraft look like trash as well.

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#34 warmaster670
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ya, warcraft 3> Starcraft, FACT!!!!

there i said fact in caps, that makes it true

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#35 randar23rhenn
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ya, warcraft 3> Starcraft, FACT!!!!

there i said fact in caps, that makes it true

warmaster670
Warcraft 3 is squad tactics. Only 12 units selectable = hilarity
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#36 sc_ajk29
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[QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

randar23rhenn

That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.

*snorts*

Yep StarCraft sure is perfectly balanced. Especially when it's nothing but rushes. Build a group of Zealots early on, and your victory is basically assured. 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time.

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#37 balindos
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ya, warcraft 3> Starcraft, FACT!!!!

there i said fact in caps, that makes it true

warmaster670

Starcraft 2 > warcraft 3 > Starcraft, FACT!!!!

Starcraft is going to sell like hot cakes and I hope Blizzard's servers are ready for it. I havent bought a PC game since Starcraft and I will be picking starcraft 2 up on day one along with my new tablet notebook.

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#38 balindos
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[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

sc_ajk29

That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.

*snorts*

Yep StarCraft is sure perfectly balanced. Especially when it's nothing but rushes. Build a group of Zealots early on, and your victory is basically assured. 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time.

That all depends on who you are playing. Sometime you wipe suckers out because they suck, but when you meet someone that is good, its a WAR and you have to be focused.

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#39 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

ya, warcraft 3> Starcraft, FACT!!!!

there i said fact in caps, that makes it true

balindos

Starcraft 2 > warcraft 3 > Starcraft, FACT!!!!

Starcraft is going to sell like hot cakes and I hope Blizzard's servers are ready for it. I havent bought a PC game since Starcraft and I will be picking starcraft 2 up on day one along with my new tablet notebook.

i have no doubt that will be true, old RTS games dont hold up as well over time as some otehr genres

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#40 CajunShooter
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[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

ya, warcraft 3> Starcraft, FACT!!!!

there i said fact in caps, that makes it true

randar23rhenn

Warcraft 3 is squad tactics. Only 12 units selectable = hilarity

I like your blindness.

Anyway I have played Starcraft quite a bit acually probably over 500 online games of it. I have played Warcraft 3 probably close to 300 online games of it, and despite how much I like both these games I am not gonna say either one is the best game ever.

It isnt my favorite game ever. It is one of them, but not my favorite.

If it was however, I wouldn't try to shove it down people's throats that it is the best game and there is no other game better, because that is simply opinion. I definately wouldn't put fact at the end of my opinion sentence either.

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#41 sc_ajk29
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[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

ya, warcraft 3> Starcraft, FACT!!!!

there i said fact in caps, that makes it true

randar23rhenn

Warcraft 3 is squad tactics. Only 12 units selectable = hilarity

LOL and StarCraft is nothing but rushing and build-more-units-than-your-opponent-because-when-you-do-you've-basically-won-the-game. Point taken.

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#42 WINDWAKER1
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I love strategy games, but could never get into starcraft. IMO not even close to the best RTS of all time.
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#43 Noldorin2646
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Ahh no, Command and Conquer, WarCraft III, Age of Empires III,Battle for Middle-Earth, Universe at War, Emperor: Battle for Dune, Star Wars: Empire at War, World in Conflict, and Universe at War all make StarCraft look like garbage. And probably other RTS games that I haven't played yet, such ad Company of Heroes, Dawn of War, and Supreme Commander, will make StarCraft look like trash as well.

sc_ajk29

StarCraft absolutely destroys those games. UaW is mentioned twice by the way.

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#44 sc_ajk29
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[QUOTE="sc_ajk29"]

Ahh no, Command and Conquer, WarCraft III, Age of Empires III,Battle for Middle-Earth, Universe at War, Emperor: Battle for Dune, Star Wars: Empire at War, World in Conflict, and Universe at War all make StarCraft look like garbage. And probably other RTS games that I haven't played yet, such ad Company of Heroes, Dawn of War, and Supreme Commander, will make StarCraft look like trash as well.

Noldorin2646

StarCraft absolutely destroys those games. UaW is mentioned twice by the way.

Please tell me you're joking. In none of those games does the "build-more-units-than-your-opponent-because-when-you-do-you've-won-the-game" philosophy exist, unlike in StarCraft.

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#45 Noldorin2646
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[QUOTE="Noldorin2646"][QUOTE="sc_ajk29"]

Ahh no, Command and Conquer, WarCraft III, Age of Empires III,Battle for Middle-Earth, Universe at War, Emperor: Battle for Dune, Star Wars: Empire at War, World in Conflict, and Universe at War all make StarCraft look like garbage. And probably other RTS games that I haven't played yet, such ad Company of Heroes, Dawn of War, and Supreme Commander, will make StarCraft look like trash as well.

sc_ajk29

StarCraft absolutely destroys those games. UaW is mentioned twice by the way.

Please tell me you're joking. In none of those games does the "build-more-units-than-your-opponent-because-when-you-do-you've-won-the-game" philosophy exist, unlike in StarCraft.

Obviously you've never played Battle for Middle Earth or Star Wars: Empire at War if you say that they don't have this "build-more-units-than-your-opponent-because-when-you-do-you've-won-the-game" philosophy.

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#46 Sonir77
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you know what i enjoyed? age of mythology. but thats just my opinion
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#47 randar23rhenn
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[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="warmaster670"]

ya, warcraft 3> Starcraft, FACT!!!!

there i said fact in caps, that makes it true

sc_ajk29

Warcraft 3 is squad tactics. Only 12 units selectable = hilarity

LOL and StarCraft is nothing but rushing and build-more-units-than-your-opponent-because-when-you-do-you've-basically-won-the-game. Point taken.

Apparently you've never played a good SC player. Or maybe you just play money maps
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#48 3XRatedlocc
Member since 2005 • 932 Posts
[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

thrones

That statement made it bluntly obvious that you really haven't experienced the RTS genre. WH40K DoW is honestly fantastic, but it doesn't even come close to Starcraft in terms of balance and fun.

He meant story wise, which it is.

He's right. I wasn't talking about Starcraft being a watered down copy of DoW, but rather the Starcraft IP being a watered down version of the 40k IP, and that's why I would rather play DoW.

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#49 SSCyborg
Member since 2007 • 7625 Posts

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Idk there alot of amazing games that it would have to compete with.randar23rhenn
Starcraft has no competition.

Zelda?

[QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"]

Thank you for pointing out the nuances of having opinions to me. I never would have figured out that saying it's my favorite game is an opinion.

Starcraft IS the greatest game ever though. That is a fact.

randar23rhenn

nope, sorry, its not fact.

Incorrect. Educate yourself.

You're trolling a little too hard.

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#50 thecasualnoob
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AoE > Starcraft

AoE2 >>>> Starcraft

Starcraft 2 =/= Greatest RTS game of all time