Starcraft 2 will be the greatest RTS and/or Game of all time!

[QUOTE="Nikalai_88"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

warmaster670

He meant story wise, which it is.

Actually game wise the story in SC is much better than in the DoW games, you actually have memorable events, characters and not only one great cutscene. I can't even remmeber the name of one guy from DoW, but I do remmeber, DeGal, Alexi, Kerrigan, Jim Raynor, Fenix, Tassadar, Mengsk, Duran etc. The cutscenes, especially in BroodWar opening and ending are amazing, and the events like the anime inspired Tassadars sacrifice are much more memmorable and better handled than whatever is in DoW. SC actually got a nomination for story of the year, DoW did not.

Also if you are to stupid to notice the differences between WH40K and SC, then I will not even bother. Oh and StarCraft is an AAA franchise where the original sold over 9 million copies and is still played by many all over the world, Dawn of War is an AA franchise that sold 2 million eaten up by WH40K fans.

40k universe>SC universe, no one here said anything about DoWs story.

stacraft is also 6 years older than DoW, so its obvious its sold more

The universe argument is pointless as we are talking about games, its not like the Halo books count or that it leads to a good story in the game, anyways DoW is not selling after three years and there is no way its going to sell as much as SC, its not even top 10 NDP or in any of the European charts. **** on AoE1, its not even an AA games, and **** on Sc being just a rush rts, nice to know that you never played more than a few minutes of it. Its like when 1up was interviewing Blizzard and they stated that there were strategies to counter a rush, the 1up guy looked suprised.

[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="meetroid8"]Idk there alot of amazing games that it would have to compete with.SSCyborg

Zelda?

[QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"]

Thank you for pointing out the nuances of having opinions to me. I never would have figured out that saying it's my favorite game is an opinion.

Starcraft IS the greatest game ever though. That is a fact.

randar23rhenn

nope, sorry, its not fact.

You're trolling a little too hard.

And Zelda is a vastly overrated series, imo.

[QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

randar23rhenn

And that statement made it bluntly obvious you haven't expereinced tabletop wargaming.

40K is aa game of no limits, no game engine standing in your way, As long as you have an imagination then you can represent any kind of force from any one of the 10 races.

The number of map configerations are are practicly endless and I can garuntee you will never play on the same board twice if you don't want to.

The only problem is that it its extremly expensive and requires a lot more time and effort than RTS video games all together.

And other fans of 40K, can you please stop bringing up the similarities between 40K and starcraft. The fact soulstorms being reslesed soon means the soulstorm board (IE:the closest thing we have to a 40K offical board) is being going to be flooded with angry starcraft fanboys with no knowlage of 40K anyway, we dont need that a few months early.

But Nikalai_88 the background presented in each codex is comparable to the story in videogame.

Warhammer 40000 is still a game system, and should be treated as such.

Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.sc_ajk29

fact

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

3XRatedlocc

You saying that it a watered down copy of W40K yet you haven't play it?:|

[QUOTE="sc_ajk29"]Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.DDX2

fact

With EA publishing it, I can't see that as a fact.

[QUOTE="DDX2"]

[QUOTE="sc_ajk29"]Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.Wanderer5

fact

With EA publishing it, I can't see that as a fact.

EA's put out some good games lately, so i dont see a problem

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="DDX2"]

[QUOTE="sc_ajk29"]Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.DDX2

fact

With EA publishing it, I can't see that as a fact.

EA's put out some good games lately, so i dont see a problem

Oh they mess up at times, but I sure Red Alert 3 is going to be good anyway.

[QUOTE="sc_ajk29"]Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.DDX2

fact

If it was being made by Westwood, it would be a fact.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="DDX2"]

[QUOTE="sc_ajk29"]Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.DDX2

fact

With EA publishing it, I can't see that as a fact.

EA's put out some good games lately, so i dont see a problem

You guys are delusional if you think C&C will be anywhere near as big as Starcraft 2

[QUOTE="DDX2"][QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="DDX2"]

[QUOTE="sc_ajk29"]Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.HoldThePhone

fact

With EA publishing it, I can't see that as a fact.

EA's put out some good games lately, so i dont see a problem

You guys are delusional if you think C&C will be anywhere near as big as Starcraft 2

RA3 certainly wont be as big as SC2, the public will eat up SC2 and shun all other RTS games for years probably. personally, RA3 means alot more to me than SC2, just cause imo RA2/Yuri's Revenge is the best RTS ever.

Company of heroes is my favorite RTS...

2nd Warcraft 3

3) Dawn of war and world in Conflict...

Starcraft 2 is probably going to be great anyway... Blizard anyone???

Will see, but we have to admitt there are tons of Great RTS out there...

Ahh no, Command and Conquer, WarCraft III, Age of Empires III, Battle for Middle-Earth, Emperor: Battle for Dune, Star Wars: Empire at War, World in Conflict, and Universe at War all make StarCraft look like garbage. And probably other RTS games that I haven't played yet, such as Company of Heroes, Dawn of War, Sins of a Solar Empire, and Supreme Commander, will make StarCraft look like trash as well.

sc_ajk29

I sorry but Starcraft blows AoEIII and UaW out of the water like big time. The only other RTS I play from that list is WiC which is really good, but I still like Starcraft better(but not by much).

AoE > Starcraft

AoE2 >>>> Starcraft

Starcraft 2 =/= Greatest RTS game of all time

thecasualnoob

Bingo.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="DDX2"][QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="DDX2"]

[QUOTE="sc_ajk29"]Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.DDX2

fact

With EA publishing it, I can't see that as a fact.

EA's put out some good games lately, so i dont see a problem

You guys are delusional if you think C&C will be anywhere near as big as Starcraft 2

RA3 certainly wont be as big as SC2, the public will eat up SC2 and shun all other RTS games for years probably. personally, RA3 means alot more to me than SC2, just cause imo RA2/Yuri's Revenge is the best RTS ever.

My roots are Command and Conquer, my opinion yes Starcraft is better than most C&C games, red alert 1 and C&C gold are pretty good strategy games. However relic is master when it comes to making RTS games. I think overall CoH is one of the most solid RTSs you will ever play for a while. SCII will be a blast and will be awesome but as for core gameplay and balance CoH is far ahead of SC and most likely from what it looks SCII as well.

That being said I probably will end up having more fun with SCII.

Starcraft 2 will probably be the best competitive RTS of all time, especially when we're considering that this is Blizzard we're talking about. Best game ever is stretching it, even though I personally await it like I await the Second Coming of Jesus.

[QUOTE="DDX2"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="DDX2"][QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="DDX2"]

[QUOTE="sc_ajk29"]Red Alert 3 will blow StarCraft II out of the water. Sorry.ATLBIinger

fact

With EA publishing it, I can't see that as a fact.

EA's put out some good games lately, so i dont see a problem

You guys are delusional if you think C&C will be anywhere near as big as Starcraft 2

RA3 certainly wont be as big as SC2, the public will eat up SC2 and shun all other RTS games for years probably. personally, RA3 means alot more to me than SC2, just cause imo RA2/Yuri's Revenge is the best RTS ever.

And the giant sqiud

And the attach dolphins.

No other RTS has more memorable units for me...

Starcraft 2 will probably be the best competitive RTS of all time, especially when we're considering that this is Blizzard we're talking about. Best game ever is stretching it, even though I personally await it like I await the Second Coming of Jesus.

Redmoonxl2

I remain very skeptical.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

Starcraft 2 will probably be the best competitive RTS of all time, especially when we're considering that this is Blizzard we're talking about. Best game ever is stretching it, even though I personally await it like I await the Second Coming of Jesus.

Haee

I remain very skeptical.

Be skeptical all you want but Blizzard has yet to do wrong with the eSport community in terms of providing and fixing balance in their games while the franchise name alone will sell SC2 like gangbusters.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

Starcraft 2 will probably be the best competitive RTS of all time, especially when we're considering that this is Blizzard we're talking about. Best game ever is stretching it, even though I personally await it like I await the Second Coming of Jesus.

Haee

I remain very skeptical.

Do you have any alternative to this assertion? Remember, games like Company of Heroes were released nearly A DECADE after StarCraft.

[QUOTE="Haee"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

Starcraft 2 will probably be the best competitive RTS of all time, especially when we're considering that this is Blizzard we're talking about. Best game ever is stretching it, even though I personally await it like I await the Second Coming of Jesus.

Redmoonxl2

I remain very skeptical.

Be skeptical all you want but Blizzard has yet to do wrong with the eSport community in terms of providing and fixing balance in their games while the franchise name alone will sell SC2 like gangbusters.

Your presuming the most competitive RTS of all time which of course Starcraft is king. Thrown in the fact that Blizzard also tried making a competitive game after Starcraft which includes Warcraft 3, slapped with reality it took many patches and an expansion for Blizzard to finally get WC3 balanced.

I already explained why im skeptical in my previous post but that doesnt mean that Starcraft 2 isnt my most hyped game.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Haee"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

Starcraft 2 will probably be the best competitive RTS of all time, especially when we're considering that this is Blizzard we're talking about. Best game ever is stretching it, even though I personally await it like I await the Second Coming of Jesus.

Haee

I remain very skeptical.

Be skeptical all you want but Blizzard has yet to do wrong with the eSport community in terms of providing and fixing balance in their games while the franchise name alone will sell SC2 like gangbusters.

Your presuming the most competitive RTS of all time which of course Starcraft is king. Blizzard also tried making a more competitive game after Starcraft which includes Warcraft 3, slapped with reality it took many patches and an expansion for Blizzard to finally get WC3 balanced.

I already explained why im skeptical but that doesnt mean that Starcraft 2 isnt my most hyped game .

No, I stated the best, not the most. No one can predict how Starcraft 2 will be taken by the public but it has a very high chance of being highly successful and well taken while being insanely awesome.

Also, Blizzard never tried making Warcraft III extremely competitive because it was an experimental project in that case. You can never truly balance a game based on hero levels, items and the such perfectly while making all sides unique, which is why Blizzard thought up neutral heroes to fix what was broken. Even then, Warcraft III is the most played online RTS today, averaging in 50k players every day when games like DoW can barely break the 300 barrier.

Starcraft II is doing away with the random factors that made Warcraft III less competitive than Starcraft and judging from Blizzard's experience in the genre and the community, they will not disappoint.

No, I stated the best, not the most. No one can predict how Starcraft 2 will be taken by the public but it has a very high chance.

Also, Blizzard never tried making Warcraft III extremely competitive because it was an experimental project in that case. You can never truly balance a game based on hero levels, items and the such perfectly while making all sides unique, which is why Blizzard thought up neutral heroes to fix what was broken. Even then, Warcraft III is the most played online RTS today, averaging in 50k players every day when games like DoW can barely break the 300 barrier.

Starcraft II is doing away with the random factors that made Warcraft III less competitive than Starcraft and judging from Blizzard's experience in the genre and the community, they will not disappoint.

Redmoonxl2

The best competitive RTS vs the most competitive RTS, blah.

Anyways, I could have sworn that Blizzard stated that Warcraft 3 was designed not from a experimental project but as a full-blown esport game which dont get me wrong, Warcraft 3 DID reach esport level but it took a long time after launch after doing so. Im going to try to provide a link to support this statement :D

Anyways Starcraft 2 doing away from the factor that the original did by making the UI more user/casual-friendly in terms of smartcasting, unlimited unit selection and MBS. These factors would IMO considerably lower the amount of macro and from my perspective it was the limited unit selection that made the act of micro in Starcraft harder (Players like Boxer wouldnt have HALF the recognition if it werent for Starcraft's thirst for micromanagement). Of course... the game didnt come out yet, some of these features can come out and maybe the game will be more competitive than the original but theres a feeling irking inside of me with these constant barrages of Blizzard trying to make the game more userfriendly that would possibly mark the competitive esport community Starcraft 2 might bring along. I wont judge and no matter what the arguement is, I will still remain skeptical of Starcraft 2 overcoming Starcraft's throne. Starcraft wouldnt be half the game it was if it wasnt so hard to master, the stratagies are all there in place but the real depth into Starcraft is without a single doubt in my mind is indeed the micro it requires.

Now THIS IS Blizzard we're talking about, who has never failed in making superb titles and if any developer can create a successor to Starcraft, it wouldnt be anything else BUT Blizzard.

[QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

Wanderer5

What is with all of these OPINION threads going on in the last hour?f50p90

Ugh...yay another RTS...TMontana1004

Too Human- Ugh... another RPG

Fable 2 - Ugh... another RPG

Fallout 3 - Ugh... another RPG

Alan Wake- Ugh antoher action game

Bad Company- Ugh... another FPS

Banjo 3 - Ugh... another platformer

I think you get my point

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"]Ugh...yay another RTS...Lonelynight

Too Human- Ugh... another RPG

Fable 2 - Ugh... another RPG

Fallout 3 - Ugh... another RPG

Alan Wake- Ugh antoher action game

Bad Company- Ugh... another FPS

Banjo 3 - Ugh... another platformer

I think you get my point

OWNED

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="3XRatedlocc"]

I never played Starcraft, basically because it's a watered down copy of W40k.

I'm waiting on DoW2.

3XRatedlocc

Your post would probably have made a lot more sense if you have said you play it a few times, instead of saying that you never play it. I not going to comment more since I haven't play W40k.

but..but.. halo wars :cry:

Ugh...yay another RTS...TMontana1004

I seriously remember you being hyped for Halo Wars.....

Anyway, Starcraft 2 will be great, no doubt about that. But playing Starcraft after playing DoW, CoH and Homeworld makes me very bored. I just find those games far more unique and enjoyable in terms of gameplay.