Starcraft II suffering from Halo 3 Syndrome

Starcraft: arguably made the RTS genre what it is today

Halo: arguably made console FPS's what they are today

 But both these games just seem to come out with high-res versions as sequels. Halo 3 doesn't bug me as much, since they're ending a trilogy and it wouldn't make sense to make a radical change.

 But it's been 10 years since Starcraft I. I guess I expected Starcraft II to reinvent the genre, and it doesn't like it will at all. It's basically a shinier version of Starcraft, with a new storyline.

Am i the only who is bothered by this? 

I'd put my vote towards Counterstrike making FPS what they are today.  Halo is just another run of the mill FPS, sorry.
FYI Starcraft is the Counterstrike of RTS. 

Starcraft: arguably made the RTS genre what it is today

Halo: arguably made console FPS's what they are today

But both these games just seem to come out with high-res versions as sequels. Halo 3 doesn't bug me as much, since they're ending a trilogy and it wouldn't make sense to make a radical change.

But it's been 10 years since Starcraft I. I guess I expected Starcraft II to reinvent the genre, and it doesn't like it will at all. It's basically a shinier version of Starcraft, with a new storyline.

Am i the only who is bothered by this?

Angarah

Don't worry about this... blizzard knows what they are doing it will hit the RTS world WITH A BANG! (Nuclear Launch Detected...)

I'd put my vote towards Counterstrike making FPS what they are today. Halo is just another run of the mill FPS, sorry.
FYI Starcraft is the Counterstrike of RTS.

RahnAetas

 Halo made CONSOLE fps's shine though. PC shooters are leagues beyond, not going to refute that.

Going with the don't try to fix whats not broken theoryDoctorBunny

 Then why is Halo 3 getting so much critiscism?

Am i the only who is bothered by this?

Angarah

Probably not, but you're in the minority that's for sure, the general consensus is that it's going to be awesome...

Starcraft: arguably made the RTS genre what it is today

Halo: arguably made console FPS's what they are today

 But both these games just seem to come out with high-res versions as sequels. Halo 3 doesn't bug me as much, since they're ending a trilogy and it wouldn't make sense to make a radical change.

 But it's been 10 years since Starcraft I. I guess I expected Starcraft II to reinvent the genre, and it doesn't like it will at all. It's basically a shinier version of Starcraft, with a new storyline.

Am i the only who is bothered by this? 

Angarah

*STARTS FOAMING AT THE MOUTH*

 Did you just compare Starcraft to THAT PIECE OF DRIVEL???

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Going with the don't try to fix whats not broken theoryAngarah

Then why is Halo 3 getting so much critiscism?

Because people are trashing it based on graphics. Not gameplay. I have been having one hell of a time with the beta. It is more like Halo CE than Halo 2. Also you have to remember they disabled alot of features, weapons and effects for the beta so they dont release too much.  

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Going with the don't try to fix whats not broken theoryAngarah

Then why is Halo 3 getting so much critiscism?

I love Starcraft & Halo.... yes Starcraft made RTS's what they are today, but Halo making FPS's what they are today..... dude as great & fun as Halo is.... you're way off on that one.

Also, I'll take what Blizzard gives me for Starcraft II, I'll trust them to make the game great, not 1 person who wants something radically different. 

It goes for Halo as well, I want more Halo.... not something that doesnt even resemble Halo whatsoever. 

Starcraft: arguably made the RTS genre what it is today

Halo: arguably made console FPS's what they are today

But both these games just seem to come out with high-res versions as sequels. Halo 3 doesn't bug me as much, since they're ending a trilogy and it wouldn't make sense to make a radical change.

But it's been 10 years since Starcraft I. I guess I expected Starcraft II to reinvent the genre, and it doesn't like it will at all. It's basically a shinier version of Starcraft, with a new storyline.

Am i the only who is bothered by this?

Angarah

SC2 doesn't have to be new. We loved what it did and now want more.

We don't NEED anything new. Blizzard aren't a developer that implements new things just for the sake of them so it wouldn't be suprised if SC2 doesn't deivate from the original formula that much

If people need something new. Go out and buy another RTS. The market is drowning in them already.

I'd put my vote towards Counterstrike making FPS what they are today. Halo is just another run of the mill FPS, sorry.
FYI Starcraft is the Counterstrike of RTS.

RahnAetas

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

I'd put my vote towards Counterstrike making FPS what they are today. Halo is just another run of the mill FPS, sorry.
FYI Starcraft is the Counterstrike of RTS.

linkthewindow

I actually owned that back in the day. Was mediocre compared to halo on xbox though 

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

I'd put my vote towards Counterstrike making FPS what they are today. Halo is just another run of the mill FPS, sorry.
FYI Starcraft is the Counterstrike of RTS.

linkthewindow

Considering StarCraft is a PC game, he shouldn't even be making the comparasion at all eh?

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

I'd put my vote towards Counterstrike making FPS what they are today. Halo is just another run of the mill FPS, sorry.
FYI Starcraft is the Counterstrike of RTS.

linkthewindow

Considering StarCraft is a PC game, he shouldn't even be making the comparasion at all eh?

Actually the rts genre went something like this

Dune - C&C - TA - SC

Those games defined the genre, in that order. Each after dune defined differances in the genre and made there own unique catergories in the genre. 

Starcraft: arguably made the RTS genre what it is today

Halo: arguably made console FPS's what they are today

But both these games just seem to come out with high-res versions as sequels. Halo 3 doesn't bug me as much, since they're ending a trilogy and it wouldn't make sense to make a radical change.

But it's been 10 years since Starcraft I. I guess I expected Starcraft II to reinvent the genre, and it doesn't like it will at all. It's basically a shinier version of Starcraft, with a new storyline.

Am i the only who is bothered by this?

Angarah

You might be the only one who is suprised. Seriously, WHY were you expecting starcraft 2 to re-invent the genre? Starcraft 1 sure as hell didn't. Warcraft 3 didn't. Warcraft 2 didn't. Warcraft 1 didn't. World of Warcraft and Diablo didn't re-invent their genres either. What all these games did, was define the genre. They did what the genre did best, and starcraft 2 will be no exception. Besides, they don't want to ruin the near perfect balance that made SC1 such a great competetive game.

Castle Wolfenstein/Doom, Quake, Goldeneye, Half-Life/Counter Strike and Halo arguably made FPS games what they are today IMO...

Castle Wolfenstein/Doom, Quake, Goldeneye, Half-Life/Counter Strike and Halo arguably made FPS games what they are today IMO...

freeload

Castle Wolfenstein/Doom, Quake, Goldeneye, Half-Life/Counter Strike and Halo arguably made FPS games what they are today IMO...

freeload

Agreed,

Halo is great, but it really wasn't anything special. It was just really good.

Blizzard on the other-hand, everything they make is near masterpiece.

Halo may have a "triolgy" but Starcraft has a storyline, and a damn good one at that.  I am more than happy for them to keep the gameplay the same but polished if the story is there.  As with all Bliazzrd games, the story is what makes them for me.

I must admit i hope there is some innovation, but as someone else in this thread posted, leave the Starcraft IP alone and create a new one to make big changes!!

Halo may have a "triolgy" but Starcraft has a storyline, and a damn good one at that.  I am more than happy for them to keep the gameplay the same but polished if the story is there.  As with all Bliazzrd games, the story is what makes them for me.

I must admit i hope there is some innovation, but as someone else in this thread posted, leave the Starcraft IP alone and create a new one to make big changes!!

Sangu1ne

Oh wait, that's what they're both doing. /  

[QUOTE="Sangu1ne"]

Halo may have a "triolgy" but Starcraft has a storyline, and a damn good one at that.  I am more than happy for them to keep the gameplay the same but polished if the story is there.  As with all Bliazzrd games, the story is what makes them for me.

I must admit i hope there is some innovation, but as someone else in this thread posted, leave the Starcraft IP alone and create a new one to make big changes!!

11Marcel

Oh wait, that's what they're both doing. /  

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Going with the don't try to fix whats not broken theoryAngarah

 Then why is Halo 3 getting so much critiscism?

Halo: arguably made console FPS's what they are today

Angarah

You're just gonna completely ignore Goldeneye and Perfect Dark? 

[QUOTE="Sangu1ne"]

Halo may have a "triolgy" but Starcraft has a storyline, and a damn good one at that. I am more than happy for them to keep the gameplay the same but polished if the story is there. As with all Bliazzrd games, the story is what makes them for me.

I must admit i hope there is some innovation, but as someone else in this thread posted, leave the Starcraft IP alone and create a new one to make big changes!!

11Marcel

Oh wait, that's what they're both doing. /

Seriously name 10 memorable Halo characters

I can name

Cortana

Master Chief

Arbiter

 Prophets X3.

umm.. Brute Chieftain...

but thats it

In Starcraft

Jimmy Raynor

Sarah Kerrigan

Zeratul

Tassadar

Aldaris

Artanis

Arkturus Mengsk 

Phoenix

Vladimir Stukov

Samir Duran

DeGaulle

Unlike Halo, Starcraft 2 has a great storyline thoughfarnham

yeah. i do hope kerrigan dies or is killed by raynor and fenix. 

[QUOTE="11Marcel"][QUOTE="Sangu1ne"]

Halo may have a "triolgy" but Starcraft has a storyline, and a damn good one at that. I am more than happy for them to keep the gameplay the same but polished if the story is there. As with all Bliazzrd games, the story is what makes them for me.

I must admit i hope there is some innovation, but as someone else in this thread posted, leave the Starcraft IP alone and create a new one to make big changes!!

farnham

Oh wait, that's what they're both doing. /

Seriously name 10 memorable Halo characters

I can name

Cortana

Master Chief

Arbiter

Prophets X3.

umm.. Brute Chieftain...

but thats it

In Starcraft

Jimmy Raynor

Sarah Kerrigan

Zeratul

Tassadar

Aldaris

Artanis

Arkturus Mengsk

Phoenix

Vladimir Stukov

Samir Duran

DeGaulle

and i can list far more

i thought it was Alexei Stukov? 

starcraft is so solid, and made by such a fantastic devoloper, that gameplay has reached the pinacle of awsomness.

starcraft needs no upgrade i gameplay, it is already the best.  

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Going with the don't try to fix whats not broken theoryAngarah

 Then why is Halo 3 getting so much critiscism?

Fanboys.

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="11Marcel"][QUOTE="Sangu1ne"]

Halo may have a "triolgy" but Starcraft has a storyline, and a damn good one at that. I am more than happy for them to keep the gameplay the same but polished if the story is there. As with all Bliazzrd games, the story is what makes them for me.

I must admit i hope there is some innovation, but as someone else in this thread posted, leave the Starcraft IP alone and create a new one to make big changes!!

lordlors

Oh wait, that's what they're both doing. /

Seriously name 10 memorable Halo characters

I can name

Cortana

Master Chief

Arbiter

Prophets X3.

umm.. Brute Chieftain...

but thats it

In Starcraft

Jimmy Raynor

Sarah Kerrigan

Zeratul

Tassadar

Aldaris

Artanis

Arkturus Mengsk

Phoenix

Vladimir Stukov

Samir Duran

DeGaulle

and i can list far more

i thought it was Alexei Stukov? 

Going with the don't try to fix whats not broken theoryDoctorBunny

Exactly. And there's plenty of room for new, fresh stuff without completely re-inventing the genre. Personally, Starcraft is my #2 favorite game of all time (right behind Diablo II), and I wouldn't have Starcraft 2 any other way. Same Starcraft controls and basic feel + severely upgraded graphics + new campaign + some new units and abilities + it's freaking Blizzard = The greatest RTS ever concieved in the history of RTS comes out when Blizzard says so.

[QUOTE="11Marcel"][QUOTE="Sangu1ne"]

Halo may have a "triolgy" but Starcraft has a storyline, and a damn good one at that. I am more than happy for them to keep the gameplay the same but polished if the story is there. As with all Bliazzrd games, the story is what makes them for me.

I must admit i hope there is some innovation, but as someone else in this thread posted, leave the Starcraft IP alone and create a new one to make big changes!!

farnham

Actually Halo has a worthwile story too, and there's apparantly lots of people buying halo games for the single player and story. I hope for both games they keep the good things, throw out the bad things, and add some small things to spice the game up, because that's how you make the best sequel.

Oh wait, that's what they're both doing. /

Seriously name 10 memorable Halo characters

I can name

Cortana

Master Chief

Arbiter

 Prophets X3.

umm.. Brute Chieftain...

but thats it

In Starcraft

Jimmy Raynor

Sarah Kerrigan

Zeratul

Tassadar

Aldaris

Artanis

Arkturus Mengsk 

Phoenix

Vladimir Stukov

Samir Duran

DeGaulle

and i can list far more

Let me add to your "Halo Characters list"

Captain Keys

Sgt. Johnson

The Gravemind

Miranda Keyes

Dr. Halsey

343 Guilty Spark

The heretic

I could go on.......

Halo also has 3 books involved with its story. Soon to be 4. How many does Starcraft have? hmmm....gotcha.

 

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="11Marcel"][QUOTE="Sangu1ne"]

Halo may have a "triolgy" but Starcraft has a storyline, and a damn good one at that. I am more than happy for them to keep the gameplay the same but polished if the story is there. As with all Bliazzrd games, the story is what makes them for me.

I must admit i hope there is some innovation, but as someone else in this thread posted, leave the Starcraft IP alone and create a new one to make big changes!!

isaach11687

Actually Halo has a worthwile story too, and there's apparantly lots of people buying halo games for the single player and story. I hope for both games they keep the good things, throw out the bad things, and add some small things to spice the game up, because that's how you make the best sequel.

Oh wait, that's what they're both doing. /

Seriously name 10 memorable Halo characters

I can name

Cortana

Master Chief

Arbiter

 Prophets X3.

umm.. Brute Chieftain...

but thats it

In Starcraft

Jimmy Raynor

Sarah Kerrigan

Zeratul

Tassadar

Aldaris

Artanis

Arkturus Mengsk 

Phoenix

Vladimir Stukov

Samir Duran

DeGaulle

and i can list far more

Let me add to your "Halo Characters list"

Captain Keys

Sgt. Johnson

The Gravemind

Miranda Keyes

Dr. Halsey

343 Guilty Spark

The heretic

I could go on.......

Halo also has 3 books involved with its story. Soon to be 4. How many does Starcraft have? hmmm....gotcha.

Uninformed. Blizzard has a whole string of Starcraft, Diablo, and Warcraft books that are very good. Gotcha there.