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#1 The__MCP
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If Mario Kart Wii kills Gran Turismo 5 in sales, does that mean there is no more debate?

People want casual.

People don't care about graphics and system power.

People want fun over realistic.

Both are highly popular racing franchises with about the same amount of sequels. Both come out at roughly the same time, both have two entirely different approaches. Is this the real battle to see which direction the video game industry will go?

And before you give me the excuse that more people own a Wii than PS3, well, same goes for 360 yet Halo 3 was still the #2 selling game last year I believe.

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#2 jwsoul
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If Mario Kart Wii kills Gran Turismo 5 in sales, does that mean there is no more debate?

People want casual.

People don't care about graphics and system power.

People want fun over realistic.

Both are highly popular racing franchises with about the same amount of sequels. Both come out at roughly the same time, both have two entirely different approaches. Is this the real battle to see which direction the video game industry will go?

The__MCP

I see where your coming from but i find GT fun so thats all down to the individual, i think the market is large enough to cater for both types of gamers.

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#3 nintendo-4life
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prologue :|
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I'm a car enthousiast so that speaks for itself. Would love to test out those cars in the Jeremy Clarkson track.

And as for the comparison, I think Gran Turismo will top it. But I can't say for sure.

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#5 Cyber-
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MK Wii is an arcade racer

GT5 is a simulation racer

JUST AS many hardcores like both sub-genres. And they are very different genres.

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let's see, Racing simulators haven't exactly been the most popular genre, and there are many people (myself included) that prefer an arcadey racer to a realistic one.
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#7 nintendo-4life
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let's see, Racing simulators haven't exactly been the most popular genre, and there are many people (myself included) that prefer an arcadey racer to a realistic one.Hewkii
are you implying that GT series is not popular? :|
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#8 rumtumtugger
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If Mario Kart Wii kills Gran Turismo 5 in sales, does that mean there is no more debate?

People want casual.

People don't care about graphics and system power.

People want fun over realistic.

Both are highly popular racing franchises with about the same amount of sequels. Both come out at roughly the same time, both have two entirely different approaches. Is this the real battle to see which direction the video game industry will go?

The__MCP
Oh, the PS3 has the same install base as the Wii in the UK? I didn't know that! The PS3 must have caught up quickly then. Wow, what a bundle Sony must have made! It makes my head spin!
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#9 nintendo-4life
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[QUOTE="The__MCP"]

If Mario Kart Wii kills Gran Turismo 5 in sales, does that mean there is no more debate?

People want casual.

People don't care about graphics and system power.

People want fun over realistic.

Both are highly popular racing franchises with about the same amount of sequels. Both come out at roughly the same time, both have two entirely different approaches. Is this the real battle to see which direction the video game industry will go?

rumtumtugger

Oh, the PS3 has the same install base as the Wii in the UK? I didn't know that! The PS3 must have caught up quickly then. Wow, what a bundle Sony must have made! It makes my head spin!

nice try, but MK even beat games like every mario game together in first week sales.

MK is selling like crazy, i honestl did NOT expect that.

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#10 tmatte
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prologue :|nintendo-4life

What about it? It sold well?

If you didn't notice, the Wii is waaaaay ahead of PS3 (and the 360) in sales. Maybe we could make a statement on gaming if they were released for the same system, but the user base is too different to do so.

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]prologue :|tmatte

What about it? It sold well?

If you didn't notice, the Wii is waaaaay ahead of PS3 (and the 360) in sales. Maybe we could make a statement on gaming if they were released for the same system, but the user base is too different to do so.

the fact that there aren't as many PS3's as the Wii is no excuse, it's still sony's fault that GT5 isn't selling as well as MK at the end of the day.

what i meant was this isn't the final game, as the final game always sells more.

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]prologue :|tmatte

What about it? It sold well?

If you didn't notice, the Wii is waaaaay ahead of PS3 (and the 360) in sales. Maybe we could make a statement on gaming if they were released for the same system, but the user base is too different to do so.

Of course it sold well, but it's not really fair to compare sales of a complete game to a prologue to a complete game.

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#13 Hewkii
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are you implying that GT series is not popular? :|nintendo-4life

perhaps, or perhaps I'm saying that he is over reacting. and I do know that GT3 was a major seller on the PS2.

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[QUOTE="tmatte"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]prologue :|Chutebox

What about it? It sold well?

If you didn't notice, the Wii is waaaaay ahead of PS3 (and the 360) in sales. Maybe we could make a statement on gaming if they were released for the same system, but the user base is too different to do so.

Of course it sold well, but it's not really fair to compare sales of a complete game to a prologue to a complete game.

yup that's exactly what i meant!.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]are you implying that GT series is not popular? :|Hewkii

perhaps, or perhaps I'm saying that he is over reacting. and I do know that GT3 was a major seller on the PS2.

he is overreacing, but racing sims are very popular.
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Well if you're happy that Mario Kart destroyed sales of a prologue game ( or demo), then goodluck to you... However you should eventually compare sales of Mk with GT5 the full game...

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]prologue :|tmatte

What about it? It sold well?

If you didn't notice, the Wii is waaaaay ahead of PS3 (and the 360) in sales. Maybe we could make a statement on gaming if they were released for the same system, but the user base is too different to do so.

Wii is "waaaaay ahead" of 360 in sales yet Halo 3 was #3 or #2 last year in game sales.

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If Mario Kart was to outsell GT5(proper one, not prologue), it wouldn't mean much. Just that more people prefer arcadey racing to realistic racing. And vice versa if GT5 outsells Mario Kart.
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#18 caseypayne69
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Saying Mario Kart will destroy GT4P in sales is like saying a Toyota Camry will destroy a Mustang GT in sales. In the end the Mustang is still cooler more fun to drive.
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If Mario Kart Wii kills Gran Turismo 5 in sales, does that mean there is no more debate?

People want casual.

People don't care about graphics and system power.

People want fun over realistic.

Both are highly popular racing franchises with about the same amount of sequels. Both come out at roughly the same time, both have two entirely different approaches. Is this the real battle to see which direction the video game industry will go?

And before you give me the excuse that more people own a Wii than PS3, well, same goes for 360 yet Halo 3 was still the #2 selling game last year I believe.

The__MCP
No sorry, but it only means what everybody already knows. The wii has a lot bigger install base to buy wii games. I could see if both systems had ruffly the same install base, but the wii has more than double the PS3 install base.
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#20 dhjohns
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Full game v. a demo/prologue/incomplete game/etc...

Not a good comparison. Also, look at user base.

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#21 Dibdibdobdobo
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Saying Mario Kart will destroy GT4P in sales is like saying a Toyota Camry will destroy a Mustang GT in sales. In the end the Mustang is still cooler more fun to drive.caseypayne69

Thats the worst comparison ever! Least you should of used a Mini Metro (wii) and a Rocket (PS3).

Really i dont care as im buying both.

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So what's the big deal if a terrible racing series outsells an even more terrible racing series?
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If Mario Kart was to outsell GT5(proper one, not prologue), it wouldn't mean much. Just that more people prefer arcadey racing to realistic racing. And vice versa if GT5 outsells Mario Kart.locopatho

well if Mario Kart outsells then the gaming market is becoming more and more casual.but personaly I think both sides have enough room to exist.

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#24 darthogre
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So many are quick to point out this is the "demo" of the game and even alot of cows have said they won't buy the game until the full version comes out.

If Mario Kart outsells GT5P, congrats.....you beat a "demo". The real question is will it beat the full game when it's released next year.

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#25 Terami
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Both are very different games. Besides, higher sales doesn't mean it's better. Just look at the Wii sales, it's higher but I don't think it's in the same league as PS3 and 360.(and I'm not talking about power, I'm talking about games.)
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]If Mario Kart was to outsell GT5(proper one, not prologue), it wouldn't mean much. Just that more people prefer arcadey racing to realistic racing. And vice versa if GT5 outsells Mario Kart.Great_Ragnarok

well if Mario Kart outsells then the gaming market is becoming more and more casual.but personaly I think both sides have enough room to exist.

If anything thats the one thing that doesnt show its sbecoming casual. Just about everything else does. Arcade racers are just as "hardcore" as simulation racers.

The whole gaming industry has been going casual since the PS1 then the PS2 and now the Wii.

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Saying Mario Kart will destroy GT4P in sales is like saying a Toyota Camry will destroy a Mustang GT in sales. In the end the Mustang is still cooler more fun to drive.caseypayne69

except that a toyota isnt really a good analogy for MKWii, more like a dune buggy. a dune buggy is more fun than a mustang.

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#28 Antikyth3ra
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Heres the break down.

Wii had more consoles and only has 1 blockbuster title out at a time which makes the game sell well because the majority of Wii games blow chunks people are forced to buy rehashes and games that they have already played.

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#29 ogvampire
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Both are very different games. Besides, higher sales doesn't mean it's better. Just look at the Wii sales, it's higher but I don't think it's in the same league as PS3 and 360.(and I'm not talking about power, I'm talking about games.)Terami

so SMG didnt win GOTY over all those ps3/360 games?

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#30 mjarantilla
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Heres the break down.

Wii had more consoles and only has 1 blockbuster title out at a time which makes the game sell well because the majority of Wii games blow chunks people are forced to buy rehashes and games that they have already played.

Antikyth3ra

"Only one"? :lol:

The Wii has had nearly as many million-sellers in one and a half years as the 360 has had in almost two and a half.

"Only one blockbuster" my @$$. If the Wii has had only one blockbuster, then so has the 360.

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#31 mjarantilla
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Saying Mario Kart will destroy GT4P in sales is like saying a Toyota Camry will destroy a Mustang GT in sales. In the end the Mustang is still cooler more fun to drive.caseypayne69

Oh you so funny.

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I still think GT will be the better Racer.
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Mario kart is fun for everyone. GT is only fun for the racing fans.
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#34 mjarantilla
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I still think GT will be the better Racer to watch, but not to play. black_awpN1

You left your post incomplete.

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Mario kart is fun for everyone. GT is only fun for the racing fans.aznfool07

I don't like either. Mario Kart just isn't my cup of tea and GT isn't realistic.

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#36 thrones
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Not really,

Expensive Demo vs. Real Game. Guess who wins?

Now, what some fanboys should consider is if it tops Forza 2 or PGR4 in sales.

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If Mario Kart Wii kills Gran Turismo 5 in sales, does that mean there is no more debate?

People want casual.

People don't care about graphics and system power.

People want fun over realistic.

Both are highly popular racing franchises with about the same amount of sequels. Both come out at roughly the same time, both have two entirely different approaches. Is this the real battle to see which direction the video game industry will go?

And before you give me the excuse that more people own a Wii than PS3, well, same goes for 360 yet Halo 3 was still the #2 selling game last year I believe.

The__MCP

Disagree about Mario kart being casual.. It can be a pretty compettive game against people.. Granted it is easier to pick up, it is still hard to master and get very good at.

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[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I still think GT will be the better Racer to play. mjarantilla

Yes I agree

thanks!

(see I can do it to)

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[QUOTE="tmatte"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]prologue :|The__MCP

What about it? It sold well?

If you didn't notice, the Wii is waaaaay ahead of PS3 (and the 360) in sales. Maybe we could make a statement on gaming if they were released for the same system, but the user base is too different to do so.

Wii is "waaaaay ahead" of 360 in sales yet Halo 3 was #3 or #2 last year in game sales.

WOW i did not now that wii was out when halo 3 hit the stores. the wii hit stores after halo 3 and wii was imposible to find. you think halo 3 would sell more if came out this year after the wii surpased the 360 in sales. halo 3 came out at lauch of the wii and the ps 3 you think any of the ps 3 and wii games to sell out more than a system that been out for a year already.

plus your looking at the most casual racer ever mk.

then you say don't say that there are more wii's out there then how the heck did halo3 out sell every other game out there because there were more 360 than wii's or a ps 3.

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#41 xcot
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you ttalk of fun like its bad? Games are meant to be fun and that's why i hate what M$ and sony are doing to gaming. Gaming has always been and should always be fun. end of.
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#42 elbow2k
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Saying Mario Kart will destroy GT4P in sales is like saying a Toyota Camry will destroy a Mustang GT in sales. In the end the Mustang is still cooler more fun to drive.caseypayne69

How much do you want to bet on that? Why is that Ford and GM are getting mopped all over the floor by Japanese auto manufacturers?

On the topic, I doubt it will happen, it's Mario Kart after all...

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#43 AgentA-Mi6
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Wait until GT5 the full game comes out and then LETS PLAY IT online :D because comparing an arcade racer like mario kart to gran turismo doesn't make any sense to me unless you want to believe that mario kart is an overall better game if it sells more or something :?
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[QUOTE="The__MCP"][QUOTE="tmatte"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]prologue :|GARRYTH

What about it? It sold well?

If you didn't notice, the Wii is waaaaay ahead of PS3 (and the 360) in sales. Maybe we could make a statement on gaming if they were released for the same system, but the user base is too different to do so.

Wii is "waaaaay ahead" of 360 in sales yet Halo 3 was #3 or #2 last year in game sales.

WOW i did not now that wii was out when halo 3 hit the stores. the wii hit stores after halo 3 and wii was imposible to find. you think halo 3 would sell more if came out this year after the wii surpased the 360 in sales. halo 3 came out at lauch of the wii and the ps 3 you think any of the ps 3 and wii games to sell out more than a system that been out for a year already.

plus your looking at the most casual racer ever mk.

then you say don't say that there are more wii's out there then how the heck did halo3 out sell every other game out there because there were more 360 than wii's or a ps 3.

what? :| .... dude just little hint here, Wii launched november 2006.. halo 3 launched in september 2007 ...

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]If Mario Kart was to outsell GT5(proper one, not prologue), it wouldn't mean much. Just that more people prefer arcadey racing to realistic racing. And vice versa if GT5 outsells Mario Kart.Great_Ragnarok

well if Mario Kart outsells then the gaming market is becoming more and more casual.but personaly I think both sides have enough room to exist.

i hope you don't think the GT series garners all its sales from hardcore people? If you do then you're in for a suprise

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#46 Thompsonwhore
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If Mario Kart outsells Gran Turismo 5: Prologue, it could be for a variety of reasons. But why do you insist on comparing the two in sales? If GT5:P sells well, regardless of how Mario Kart sells, it's clear that there's still an audience for it. So what if more people want an arcade racer? Does that mean that everyone who wants a realistic racer are somehow "wrong"?

It's preference, not positions of right and wrong.

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#47 TimeToPartyHard
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There's a market for both. But if Mario Kart outsells GT it won't come close to hinting that people want casual.
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#48 Always-Honest
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it would mean people want games that are fun with gaming elements instead of driving shiney cars in circles untill the required amount of circles is reached

edit: imo

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#49 blazinpuertoroc
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GT5 come out in 2009!!! holy crap people!! Prolouge usually doesnt sell too much! GT4P sold about 1-2 million copies between japan and europe thats it! that isnt alot compared to the full games...Prolouge=just a tase of the full game
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]prologue :|tmatte

What about it? It sold well?

If you didn't notice, the Wii is waaaaay ahead of PS3 (and the 360) in sales. Maybe we could make a statement on gaming if they were released for the same system, but the user base is too different to do so.

As in demo Smart guy:|