Steam hits 10m online users

Shhh, try to let him work it out... it may happen. He may even read the rest of the thread!

How many are bot accounts?

@i-rock-socks: I still see you lacking any sort of rebuttal to his points.

Once again, people are forgetting that the number of concurrent Steam users is not representative of the health of the PC gaming industry in general. Do any of you know how many Dota players out there play nothing but Dota, all of which have Steam accounts? The PC industry is heavily segmented, with certain groups that don't play anything outside of Counterstrike, L4D and Dota. These are not the kind of people who'd go out to buy Witcher 3, nor do they have PCs powerful enough to play it.

While the figures give us an indication of how many people might game on a PC, it doesn't not indicate how many of them would be willing to buy games in general. And the health of a platform is represented by the market potential, not the number of existing users who don't buy new games. This is the reason why PC exclusivity is no longer financially viable nowadays. Yes, the users are out there, but your game just won't sell that well.

@jhcho2: do you know?

No more or less than TC. There is a difference between claiming certain figures mean anything, and objecting against it on the grounds on ambiguity

This is pretty spot on, being in the Counter-Strike community for the last 14 years I know all about that. A lot of the people who play CS are not "PC gamers" in the typical sense of what one would be, they play Counter-Strike and Counter-Strike alone, they have no interest in anything else.

List of PC exclusive games

The problem is that most PC gamers won't readily admit it. The lack of evidence to prove this gives them room to say we can't know for sure. Your experience as a counterstrike player for 14 years is unfortunately an anecdote, not proof. I on the other hand, have been playing Dota for 12 years and I can say that most of my Dota mates are not gamers in the traditional sense. Those that do still play Dota 2 now all have Steam accounts but don't play anything else. This again, is an anecdote, not proof.

Failed logic.

Amount of quality exclusives is less important than sales of exclusives? a load of tosh. There are other factors involved like the ease of piracy to be considered.. not a problem for me, or the system wars meta game.

But back to the main rebutal, the fact that there are so many more exclusives, niche games and big popular games with high competition on the PC platform, goes against your "Surely if they are so great then they will top console exclusive sales?" means that the playerbase will be stretched out further.... so why would every big exclusive top consoles... that struggle to get 2-3 "big games" a year?

By your own logic, if Bloodborne.... should have a near %50 attach rate because its one of the only good games on the the system.... so why is it we are only seeing From Software brag about 1 million and then silent?

Hell, you don't even have Mario games to pad exclusive sales figures anymore.... thanks to the Wii U bombing in the sales department. Gran Turismo is no longer even considered top tier and sales reflect it.

Oh sure, things like uncharted still do really well. nothing close to a blizzard release or expansion, or a valve one etc.

Fact of the matter is, console exclusives, are now rare ... AND don't sell megatons.

Also PC Gamers sell longer over time, and stop being recorded, whereas console games tend to be the reverse.

The problem is console gamer's won't admit the exact same thing. I've known pleanty of people over the years that only have consoles for CoD, or Fifa. or that 1 game they play ... because you know, people get attached to one game heavily which is fine.

So yea, you can bring this technicality nonsense into it all you like. But be prepared to take it both ways. DoTA is a PC exclusive, it only works on that platform. someone going out and playing on a specific system, for a game hat is only one 1 system... that is also the most expensive system ... speaks higher volumes, than buying a bargin bin console for a game you can get on any system.

lol I love you freedom. This was ... perfect.

fact.

People also act like this number is always a good thing. The issues are the policies. A growing userbase only means 3rd parties will try and reap the benefits from a growing platform. People need to reject all that stuff.

My point is that they don't, so please try again. Unless of course you're talking about all those hardcore Wii games, that came bundled with the system, and Kinnect Adventures, you're still wrong. I suggest you're far better off using facts to back a statement than insults and things you've made up.

Best selling games because sources are good.

@GarGx1: I'm not "trying again" ur full of shit and wrong, why would that be my fault?

@MBirdy88: stopped reading after "failed logic"

yeah pc has far more players than consoles

@i-rock-socks: How old are you? You appear to have the debating skills of a small child.

You made a statement of fact without evidence. I said you were wrong and provided evidence to discount you. It's now your turn to present evidence to support you're claims. That's how these things work.

Of course, I do realise that either you won't reply or just spit out some silly, childish insult (again) aimed at upsetting me, which will only result in a further failure on your part.

sign of a true failure.

@MBirdy88: my god, your right!

I hope to be a badass like you one day

@GarGx1: actually no, your "evidence" actually proved my point, that none of those top selling games r pc exculsives except maybe 2. You will refuse to acknowledge my point, so why should I treat you like we're having a discussion? You'll never see my point cause ur an asshat. So I'm just gonna call u an asshat, cause ur an asshat.

Not suprised at the peak concurrent users.

There's a CS:GO and DotA 2 tournet going on with Dreamhack. The Steam Sale - with people afking the monster game. E3 and people playing their recently bought games.

@the_master_race: didn't think I had to say it cause I assumed it was implied but I meant that there aren't pc exculsives in the list of best selling games of all time, besides the sims. Not that there aren't pc exculsives period.

Yup just as I expected. Insults because you have nothing else.

@i-rock-socks: Cause i'm so envious that I don't have Tetris on my PC....

Child you couldn't upset me if you really, really tried.

@GarGx1: u tell urself that, I don't actually care

@i-rock-socks: "My main point was if the pc has such an amazing install base u would assume all their great games would sell thru the roof and it wouldn't be a contest between consoles."

I guess people have certain tastes in games aye, I've never bought a pokemon game before but it sure as hell looks like a lot of people have. Total sales of individual games if probably a great way to measure how popular that game or genre is, but might not be a great way of measuring the popularity of a system. It's probably better to assume that if an individual title like "The Sims" sells through the roof and is exclusive on a system that it is probably a great game and appealed to a lot of people.

I know you console fella's keep raving about the Uncharted series but I haven't seen it on the list either. Actually looks like Tetris/Pokemon will be king for quite some time still.

I would say that a more accurate measure would be to take the total sales of all games on a system and compare that to each other, then you would be taking the entire cross section of all games, popular or not.

@jereb31: I have to disagree on that last bit mainly cause comparing every individual console and the entirety of the pc's lifespan would not be more accurate or at least be misleading

@i-rock-socks: Well you could break it down to the lifespans of individual consoles I suppose. But that would be disallowing an advantage of PC's, that they are a continuous system and not generational systems.

I don't think it would be inaccurate, or misleading given the context. But you could certainly pick a generation of consoles (or individual console, I guess it doesn't really matter) and compare the sales to each system during that system/generations lifespan. That would give a pretty good indication of the popularity of each system, more so it would give a pretty good indication of the impact they might have on each other.

@jereb31: sounds reasonable

@i-rock-socks: Bestselling Exclusive AAA games, is that your criterion? In that case you’d better add Blizzards sales to the list, Only StarCraft 2 sold near 8 million copies

good debating skills champ

@the_master_race: I don't really care if a games AAA, I was lookin more at games with more than 15mil sales. Not many pc's exculsives that sell more than 15mil that I saw, but I am using wiki so maybe the numbers r wrong idk.

Haha, can't rebute facts I see, so down to insulting. pathetic.

Enjoy your suspension. and your false facts based on previous generations ;).