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#51 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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Lemmings need to wake up.

Claiming games like Halo: Reach and Alan Wake (just like every game released)being instant graphics kings is both funny and sad at the same time.

It seems that fans have been waiting for these games for so long that they do not want to see the flaws, but when you spoon feed others your delusions its plain annoying.

Halo: Reach looks just like ODST and 3 with better character models, its no crysis or kz2 killer, sorry! Good thing it still has great gameplay.

Alan wake looksgood but is being way overhyped. Almost on par with Gears 2 and RE5 but with a bouncy framerate and massive screen-tear, its meh.

This post is not to piss off anyone, its actually meant for everyone, to accept the fact that games (even ifthey areon your favorite system) have flaws, andaint instantly the best at everything, especiallyifa game isn't out.

Peace.

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You lose all credibility with this line. Halo Reach looks like Halo 3 and ODST, but just with better character models? I guess you haven't seen the numerous release pics and vids. And these are mostly from the multiplayer beta. We have yet to see video footage of the single player, which usually has better visual fidelity from not being hindered by online bandwidth barriers.

It is a known fact that Halo 3 was built from an up-res'd and modified Halo 2 engine orgirinally designed for the Xbox1. Halo Reach is designed with an entirely new engine built for 360's hardware. So no, you can't use the "Halo 2 in HD" argument.

Now I am NOT saying Reach is any kind of "graphics king", a term I don't even believe in since visuals are all about art direction, which Halo as always achieved very well in. But many pics have proven that Reach is a substantial leap from Halo 3, and any attempt to counter that is simply a symptom of fanboyism in refusing to see the evidence for what it is.

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[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

Lemmings need to wake up.

Claiming games like Halo: Reach and Alan Wake (just like every game released)being instant graphics kings is both funny and sad at the same time.

It seems that fans have been waiting for these games for so long that they do not want to see the flaws, but when you spoon feed others your delusions its plain annoying.

Halo: Reach looks just like ODST and 3 with better character models, its no crysis or kz2 killer, sorry! Good thing it still has great gameplay.

Alan wake looksgood but is being way overhyped. Almost on par with Gears 2 and RE5 but with a bouncy framerate and massive screen-tear, its meh.

This post is not to piss off anyone, its actually meant for everyone, to accept the fact that games (even ifthey areon your favorite system) have flaws, andaint instantly the best at everything, especiallyifa game isn't out.

Peace.

AdobeArtist

You lose all credibility with this line. Halo Reach looks like Halo 3 and ODST, but just with better character models? I guess you haven't seen the numerous release pics and vids. And these are mostly from the multiplayer beta. We have yet to see video footage of the single player, which usually has better visuals when not confined by online bandwidth barriers.

It is a known fact that Halo 3 was built from an up-res'd and modified Halo 2 engine orgirinally designed for the Xbox1. Halo Reach is designed with an entirely new engine built for 360's hardware. So no, you can't use the "Halo 2 in HD" argument.

Now I am NOT saying Reach is any kind of "graphics king", a term I don't even believe in since visuals are all about art direction, which Halo as always achieved very well in. But many pics have proven that Reach is a substantial leap from Halo 3, and any attempt to counter that is simply a symptom of fanboyism in refusing to see the evidence for what it is.

He lost his credibility when he said Reach looked like UT99 in another thread.

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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

Lemmings need to wake up.

Claiming games like Halo: Reach and Alan Wake (just like every game released)being instant graphics kings is both funny and sad at the same time.

It seems that fans have been waiting for these games for so long that they do not want to see the flaws, but when you spoon feed others your delusions its plain annoying.

Halo: Reach looks just like ODST and 3 with better character models, its no crysis or kz2 killer, sorry! Good thing it still has great gameplay.

Alan wake looksgood but is being way overhyped. Almost on par with Gears 2 and RE5 but with a bouncy framerate and massive screen-tear, its meh.

This post is not to piss off anyone, its actually meant for everyone, to accept the fact that games (even ifthey areon your favorite system) have flaws, andaint instantly the best at everything, especiallyifa game isn't out.

Peace.

SpiritOfFire117

You lose all credibility with this line. Halo Reach looks like Halo 3 and ODST, but just with better character models? I guess you haven't seen the numerous release pics and vids. And these are mostly from the multiplayer beta. We have yet to see video footage of the single player, which usually has better visuals when not confined by online bandwidth barriers.

It is a known fact that Halo 3 was built from an up-res'd and modified Halo 2 engine orgirinally designed for the Xbox1. Halo Reach is designed with an entirely new engine built for 360's hardware. So no, you can't use the "Halo 2 in HD" argument.

Now I am NOT saying Reach is any kind of "graphics king", a term I don't even believe in since visuals are all about art direction, which Halo as always achieved very well in. But many pics have proven that Reach is a substantial leap from Halo 3, and any attempt to counter that is simply a symptom of fanboyism in refusing to see the evidence for what it is.

He lost his credibility when he said Reach looked like UT99 in another thread.

He actually did? :| If ever a set of eyes went to waste on an otherwise perfectly good body :roll:

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[QUOTE="lucky_star"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

All this about graphics. Sure I like to have great graphics in my games but I think gameplay is more important. I don't see the reason not to hype a game you think is going to turn out great.

mayceV

Sure you have the right to get excited about things, i do it too. But according to the latest videos and screens we have seen this week, the graphics arent worth the hype. We have seen better on the 360.

the only FPS that I see looking better(thats released, is BFBC2. Halo reach beats MW2, bioshock 2, and every other FPs other than BFBC2 (and Halo reach is still in alpha.) it deseves it graphics hype because it has large enviroment, and a lot going on screen, granted Lemmings take it way oo far by saying its graphics king. I has 4 player splitscreen Idoubt the 360 can stream 4 cameras in a single scene with physicsEct and still have the strngth to show up Kz2. I think that you are understating the graphics of HR, it doesn't look like Halo 3 with better character madel it looks like a halo game that runs at a higher resolution has better tetures, lighting, scale, Models, particle effects, and a much higher level of detail. and Halo excelled much more than what Cows and SW give it credit for, play the campaign and look closely at the textures they are very crisp and clear, lighting is great, and physics are some of the best. Halo reach won't be graphics king. ITS IMPOSSIBLE. but IT WILL LOOK LOTS BETTER THAN HALO 3. it'll probably be the best looking FPS on the 360 and have aspects that beat Ps3 exclusives. but over all Halo reach will look fantastic. Alan Wake fufills MS's Graphical promises for this gen. 720p with x4AA. it has the best lighting on consoles amazing character models and large scale. its definitly up there with Ps3 exclusives. maybe not graphics king but it will show cows the 360 can produce a good looking game.

Beautiful post, but no cow will believe that.

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[QUOTE="lucky_star"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

All this about graphics. Sure I like to have great graphics in my games but I think gameplay is more important. I don't see the reason not to hype a game you think is going to turn out great.

Sure you have the right to get excited about things, i do it too. But according to the latest videos and screens we have seen this week, the graphics arent worth the hype. We have seen better on the 360.

than AW and Reach? no we havent.......Gears 1 and 2 are right on par with them
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[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

You lose all credibility with this line. Halo Reach looks like Halo 3 and ODST, but just with better character models? I guess you haven't seen the numerous release pics and vids. And these are mostly from the multiplayer beta. We have yet to see video footage of the single player, which usually has better visuals when not confined by online bandwidth barriers.

It is a known fact that Halo 3 was built from an up-res'd and modified Halo 2 engine orgirinally designed for the Xbox1. Halo Reach is designed with an entirely new engine built for 360's hardware. So no, you can't use the "Halo 2 in HD" argument.

Now I am NOT saying Reach is any kind of "graphics king", a term I don't even believe in since visuals are all about art direction, which Halo as always achieved very well in. But many pics have proven that Reach is a substantial leap from Halo 3, and any attempt to counter that is simply a symptom of fanboyism in refusing to see the evidence for what it is.

AdobeArtist

He lost his credibility when he said Reach looked like UT99 in another thread.

He actually did? :| If ever a set of eyes went to waste on an otherwise perfectly good body :roll:

No lie. :?

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27258012&page=8

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THIS JUST IN. bungie has stated that halo reach will not improve in any way graphically from thier ALPHA build, Bugnie has had many reaon for doing so, none of which will be stated here. Bungie decided that they will lazy out the final halo game they are making. HALO REACH WILL NOT IMPROVE IN THE 4 MONTHS OF POLISHING LEFT. thank you that is all /sarcasm just wondering if anyone has even the slightest idea of when graphics are polished in the dev cycle. graphics come last people they can be bolted on in a matter of months. gameplay physics, Engine. take the longest to perfect. graphics are easy when you have 80 artists bolting it together.
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#58 slvrraven9
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

maybe if cows stopped underhyping it then maybe lemmings would stop overhyping it

case in point:

[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

Halo: Reach looks just like ODST and 3 with better character models

Good point. clearly Tc was delusional when he typed that sentence out.
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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]He lost his credibility when he said Reach looked like UT99 in another thread.

SpiritOfFire117

He actually did? :| If ever a set of eyes went to waste on an otherwise perfectly good body :roll:

No lie. :?

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27258012&page=8

Yep, this is a joke thread.:P

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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

KZ3 will score AAAAA and be the only perfect game in existence.

Though Wake & Reach ( hey cool name for a game ;) ) will come close scoring AAAA.

Yeah, I too wish people would just be a bit more realistic. :P

peaceoutmedusa

uhh, who is overhyping KZ3???

There was a thread asking what game will be better KZ3 or GeoW 3, if that's not overhyping, then i don't know what it is.

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#61 mayceV
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Halo Reach and Alan Wake deserve the AAA hype and Graphics Hype.

Just recent examples of the many, many threads we see every day in SW:

  1. Alan Wake just ***** PS3 graphic king hopes.
  2. First 11 minutes of Alan Wake up (video inside, your pants might explode)
  3. Alan Wake will be graphics king
  4. Alan Wake the best looking console game(I got only this one over at GT to see if SW was alone...nope, and it's going to be good.)

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  1. Halo Reach New GRAPHICS KING. Sorry PS3
  2. Halo Reach, Console Graphics king
  3. Subject: Halo Reach will have console best graphics, just wait.(Here is one from BUNGIE .net!...I grabbed it because the hype is bigger than SW.)

I've seen a bunch for GeoW3 already (here is just a taste : GeoW3 Console graphics King), but I will focus on just the TC's two main games, to keep this post short. BTW : There were many more links, and for good reason, they will be super duperty amazing. :P

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I mean Alan has been in development for a very, very, very long time, longer than even GT5, Splinter Cell, and Killzone 2. It's Remedy's latest opus, and it should rock. I remember having a 360 at launch and waiting for the makers of MAX PAYNE's next game, Alan Wake. It's going to be HUGE.

Halo is Halo, nuff said (Let's be honest, REACH will probably be the Xbox 360's first AAAAE, which was a long time coming). ODST used old Halo 3 assets from Halo 3 AI to Halo 3 graphics and ODST still managed AAAE at GS with considering it was a short expansion with old assets...imagine what REACH is going to do to GS staff's expectations! Longer, better graphics, AI, and game modes...GS is going to go NUTSO!

Halo Reach is going to look grandiose as well. All we hear from Bungie is the technical marvels this game will display, if any company has the raw talent to push the 360, it's BUNGIE! That's the deal right, that Talent is why PS3 games like GOW3, U2, U1, MLB10:The Show, Heavy Rain, and Killzone 2 look so good. Bungie will deliver, as will Remedy, and if not, the back up plan, EPIC has got it coming.

As far as Graphics, if people are going to choose two games for the year to finally take back the Console Graphics Crown, they chose the two best for 360...ALAN Wake and Halo Reach may have amazing hype for scores and graphics, but it is justified.

The Hype game here is about what GS thinks and what they will score as well as personal thoughts. What games would you recommend a hardcore 360 owner to hype? While these games looked good to great, Splinter Cell, Mass Effect 2, and Metro didn't pan out graphically as well as everyone hoped (regarding the Console Graphics King Status, they still look very good though). While they looked great, critics didn't jump on the boat and give the kind of love we expected, and we got for games like GeoW, GeoW2, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, etc.

However, these two upcoming games (Reach and Wake) are True 360 exclusives, and stand a better chance. They have both been in development for the 360 console, with no worries of making another version, so that's gotta strengthen the performance of the game, and make the teams task much easier in squeezing out the hardware. Overall, that's what is great about exclusives, devs can spend more time making ONE DEFINITIVE version for us to play and enjoy.

I didn't mention 2011's GeoW3 that much, which will have AAAE hype for score and GeoW3 already has hype for graphics as well. Why wouldn't it, Cliffy B. has assured us of his visual leadership.

For those that want to see Alan's AAA deserving Hype Thread, Here it is.

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EDIT : As you can see my post and links above prove that both games (Reach & Wake ) have lot's of extreme graphic hype and AAA hype...but they both deserve it.

I think Rare pushes the 360 the farthest this gen. play banjo KazooieN&B. its just incredible how detailed they have such an open game. honestly if rare was to make PD2(pretty sure they are, they say they want to keep the franchise goin) they're probably the xboxes best bet to go up against Kz2. in 05 PDZ had the best weapon models for a long time(till 07-08) then Rare had Kameo which looks good by todays standards, and viva pinata wich looks incredible for 06. and banjo which is easily graphics king for the 360. if PD2 was made on the BK engine(rev amped) and had a realistic are direction then it has the chance of being one of the best looking games this gen. honestly Bk is criminally over looked, suprised that lemming didn't use it to pound infamouses head in in the open worlld catagory, or use BK to kill MGS4. Bk is the best looking open world sandbox game on consoles(until AW comes out) and its on the 360 what does that tell you bout the ps3? I'm not saying that the Ps3 can't do it, but in SW if its not made it can't do it (atleast in FB logic). BK is a massive game so imagine what rare can do with a more straight forward game.
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#62 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Halo Reach and Alan Wake deserve the AAA hype and Graphics Hype.

Just recent examples of the many, many threads we see every day in SW:

  1. Alan Wake just ***** PS3 graphic king hopes.
  2. First 11 minutes of Alan Wake up (video inside, your pants might explode)
  3. Alan Wake will be graphics king
  4. Alan Wake the best looking console game(I got only this one over at GT to see if SW was alone...nope, and it's going to be good.)

-----------------

  1. Halo Reach New GRAPHICS KING. Sorry PS3
  2. Halo Reach, Console Graphics king
  3. Subject: Halo Reach will have console best graphics, just wait.(Here is one from BUNGIE .net!...I grabbed it because the hype is bigger than SW.)

I've seen a bunch for GeoW3 already (here is just a taste : GeoW3 Console graphics King), but I will focus on just the TC's two main games, to keep this post short. BTW : There were many more links, and for good reason, they will be super duperty amazing. :P

-----------

I mean Alan has been in development for a very, very, very long time, longer than even GT5, Splinter Cell, and Killzone 2. It's Remedy's latest opus, and it should rock. I remember having a 360 at launch and waiting for the makers of MAX PAYNE's next game, Alan Wake. It's going to be HUGE.

Halo is Halo, nuff said (Let's be honest, REACH will probably be the Xbox 360's first AAAAE, which was a long time coming). ODST used old Halo 3 assets from Halo 3 AI to Halo 3 graphics and ODST still managed AAAE at GS with considering it was a short expansion with old assets...imagine what REACH is going to do to GS staff's expectations! Longer, better graphics, AI, and game modes...GS is going to go NUTSO!

Halo Reach is going to look grandiose as well. All we hear from Bungie is the technical marvels this game will display, if any company has the raw talent to push the 360, it's BUNGIE! That's the deal right, that Talent is why PS3 games like GOW3, U2, U1, MLB10:The Show, Heavy Rain, and Killzone 2 look so good. Bungie will deliver, as will Remedy, and if not, the back up plan, EPIC has got it coming.

As far as Graphics, if people are going to choose two games for the year to finally take back the Console Graphics Crown, they chose the two best for 360...ALAN Wake and Halo Reach may have amazing hype for scores and graphics, but it is justified.

The Hype game here is about what GS thinks and what they will score as well as personal thoughts. What games would you recommend a hardcore 360 owner to hype? While these games looked good to great, Splinter Cell, Mass Effect 2, and Metro didn't pan out graphically as well as everyone hoped (regarding the Console Graphics King Status, they still look very good though). While they looked great, critics didn't jump on the boat and give the kind of love we expected, and we got for games like GeoW, GeoW2, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, etc.

However, these two upcoming games (Reach and Wake) are True 360 exclusives, and stand a better chance. They have both been in development for the 360 console, with no worries of making another version, so that's gotta strengthen the performance of the game, and make the teams task much easier in squeezing out the hardware. Overall, that's what is great about exclusives, devs can spend more time making ONE DEFINITIVE version for us to play and enjoy.

I didn't mention 2011's GeoW3 that much, which will have AAAE hype for score and GeoW3 already has hype for graphics as well. Why wouldn't it, Cliffy B. has assured us of his visual leadership.

For those that want to see Alan's AAA deserving Hype Thread, Here it is.

----------

EDIT : As you can see my post and links above prove that both games (Reach & Wake ) have lot's of extreme graphic hype and AAA hype...but they both deserve it.

mayceV

I think Rare pushes the 360 the farthest this gen. play banjo KazooieN&B. its just incredible how detailed they have such an open game. honestly if rare was to make PD2(pretty sure they are, they say they want to keep the franchise goin) they're probably the xboxes best bet to go up against Kz2. in 05 PDZ had the best weapon models for a long time(till 07-08) then Rare had Kameo which looks good by todays standards, and viva pinata wich looks incredible for 06. and banjo which is easily graphics king for the 360. if PD2 was made on the BK engine(rev amped) and had a realistic are direction then it has the chance of being one of the best looking games this gen. honestly Bk is criminally over looked, suprised that lemming didn't use it to pound infamouses head in in the open worlld catagory, or use BK to kill MGS4. Bk is the best looking open world sandbox game on consoles(until AW comes out) and its on the 360 what does that tell you bout the ps3? I'm not saying that the Ps3 can't do it, but in SW if its not made it can't do it (atleast in FB logic). BK is a massive game so imagine what rare can do with a more straight forward game.

I approve of the Rare love in this post which is kinda rare :P in sw.

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Almost all the posters I see hyping them as such are very low levels ....
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SecretPolice, you me and mitu123 are in the minority, shame Rare is really good this gen, not legendary but great. sad that not everyone sees what Rare is doing. they deserve better Sales and more recognition. the only time they had any was Viva pinata, and PDZ. funny thing is that They have published moree games than the entire MS 1st party combined this gen (the ones that remain that is) forza 2, 3, Fable 2, you're in the movies.4 compard to Rare's 5 games this gen. all of which achieved AA atatus across the web. I think MS needs to market thier games better, I mean Viva pinata sold 1.6 million because of it commercials, VP:TIP sold .5 (I actually didn't know that they made it until I was looking at BK N&B, that shows how badly marketed that game was. same goes for BK .8 Mill because MS had such a small budget for the marketing. they thought the game will sell simply because of name. they put forth a bit of Web based ads but that Rarely works. Kameo had little ads, but they fixed up with PDZ and got 1.5 million copies out. I am shoced they don't have PD2 out already with PD3 in the works. Conker was one of the most played xbox games on XBl OG(until it was closed yeasterday) and MS still hasn't released a sequel. conker was too epic to not have a sequel.but there was an announcement that rare was working on 2 AAA qualtiy titles back in 09, I'm guessing that they''l be shown at E3. E3 gives me High hopes for Rare, and that Peter molyneux stated that he wants to help rare in Advertising and getting them well known so, I have hope for some good games from rare. truely My favorite Dev.
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Almost all the posters I see hyping them as such are very low levels ....blue_hazy_basic

well yeah, people like us who stick around for awhile get jaded 8)

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Everyone on this forum needs to stop overhyping everything. It's been particularly ridiculous lately with all the "GFX KING!" threads about games without an actual release date.
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Cows are the only ones that Overhype games

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SecretPolice, you me and mitu123 are in the minority, shame Rare is really good this gen, not legendary but great. sad that not everyone sees what Rare is doing. they deserve better Sales and more recognition. the only time they had any was Viva pinata, and PDZ. funny thing is that They have published moree games than the entire MS 1st party combined this gen (the ones that remain that is) forza 2, 3, Fable 2, you're in the movies.4 compard to Rare's 5 games this gen. all of which achieved AA atatus across the web. I think MS needs to market thier games better, I mean Viva pinata sold 1.6 million because of it commercials, VP:TIP sold .5 (I actually didn't know that they made it until I was looking at BK N&B, that shows how badly marketed that game was. same goes for BK .8 Mill because MS had such a small budget for the marketing. they thought the game will sell simply because of name. they put forth a bit of Web based ads but that Rarely works. Kameo had little ads, but they fixed up with PDZ and got 1.5 million copies out. I am shoced they don't have PD2 out already with PD3 in the works. Conker was one of the most played xbox games on XBl OG(until it was closed yeasterday) and MS still hasn't released a sequel. conker was too epic to not have a sequel.but there was an announcement that rare was working on 2 AAA qualtiy titles back in 09, I'm guessing that they''l be shown at E3. E3 gives me High hopes for Rare, and that Peter molyneux stated that he wants to help rare in Advertising and getting them well known so, I have hope for some good games from rare. truely My favorite Dev.mayceV
Another good post and agreed. :)

I have been predicting a super sweet Rare Banjo N&B and include free DL for Banjo 1&2 360 bundle for a couple years now and yet.....

I don't get why MS doesn't put that monster marketing they have to good use when it comes to Rare. :?

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Cows are the only ones that Overhype games

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.... Yes, it's been cows that started all the "SCC/ALAN WAKE/RDR/HALO REACH/CRYSIS 2 GRAPHICS KING, COWS AM CRY!" threads, I'll bet. :roll:
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#70 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Halo Reach and Alan Wake deserve the AAA hype and Graphics Hype.

Just recent examples of the many, many threads we see every day in SW:

  1. Alan Wake just ***** PS3 graphic king hopes.
  2. First 11 minutes of Alan Wake up (video inside, your pants might explode)
  3. Alan Wake will be graphics king
  4. Alan Wake the best looking console game(I got only this one over at GT to see if SW was alone...nope, and it's going to be good.)

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  1. Halo Reach New GRAPHICS KING. Sorry PS3
  2. Halo Reach, Console Graphics king
  3. Subject: Halo Reach will have console best graphics, just wait.(Here is one from BUNGIE .net!...I grabbed it because the hype is bigger than SW.)

I've seen a bunch for GeoW3 already (here is just a taste : GeoW3 Console graphics King), but I will focus on just the TC's two main games, to keep this post short. BTW : There were many more links, and for good reason, they will be super duperty amazing. :P

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I mean Alan has been in development for a very, very, very long time, longer than even GT5, Splinter Cell, and Killzone 2. It's Remedy's latest opus, and it should rock. I remember having a 360 at launch and waiting for the makers of MAX PAYNE's next game, Alan Wake. It's going to be HUGE.

Halo is Halo, nuff said (Let's be honest, REACH will probably be the Xbox 360's first AAAAE, which was a long time coming). ODST used old Halo 3 assets from Halo 3 AI to Halo 3 graphics and ODST still managed AAAE at GS with considering it was a short expansion with old assets...imagine what REACH is going to do to GS staff's expectations! Longer, better graphics, AI, and game modes...GS is going to go NUTSO!

Halo Reach is going to look grandiose as well. All we hear from Bungie is the technical marvels this game will display, if any company has the raw talent to push the 360, it's BUNGIE! That's the deal right, that Talent is why PS3 games like GOW3, U2, U1, MLB10:The Show, Heavy Rain, and Killzone 2 look so good. Bungie will deliver, as will Remedy, and if not, the back up plan, EPIC has got it coming.

As far as Graphics, if people are going to choose two games for the year to finally take back the Console Graphics Crown, they chose the two best for 360...ALAN Wake and Halo Reach may have amazing hype for scores and graphics, but it is justified.

The Hype game here is about what GS thinks and what they will score as well as personal thoughts. What games would you recommend a hardcore 360 owner to hype? While these games looked good to great, Splinter Cell, Mass Effect 2, and Metro didn't pan out graphically as well as everyone hoped (regarding the Console Graphics King Status, they still look very good though). While they looked great, critics didn't jump on the boat and give the kind of love we expected, and we got for games like GeoW, GeoW2, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, etc.

However, these two upcoming games (Reach and Wake) are True 360 exclusives, and stand a better chance. They have both been in development for the 360 console, with no worries of making another version, so that's gotta strengthen the performance of the game, and make the teams task much easier in squeezing out the hardware. Overall, that's what is great about exclusives, devs can spend more time making ONE DEFINITIVE version for us to play and enjoy.

I didn't mention 2011's GeoW3 that much, which will have AAAE hype for score and GeoW3 already has hype for graphics as well. Why wouldn't it, Cliffy B. has assured us of his visual leadership.

For those that want to see Alan's AAA deserving Hype Thread, Here it is.

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EDIT : As you can see my post and links above prove that both games (Reach & Wake ) have lot's of extreme graphic hype and AAA hype...but they both deserve it.

mayceV

I think Rare pushes the 360 the farthest this gen. play banjo KazooieN&B. its just incredible how detailed they have such an open game. honestly if rare was to make PD2(pretty sure they are, they say they want to keep the franchise goin) they're probably the xboxes best bet to go up against Kz2. in 05 PDZ had the best weapon models for a long time(till 07-08) then Rare had Kameo which looks good by todays standards, and viva pinata wich looks incredible for 06. and banjo which is easily graphics king for the 360. if PD2 was made on the BK engine(rev amped) and had a realistic are direction then it has the chance of being one of the best looking games this gen. honestly Bk is criminally over looked, suprised that lemming didn't use it to pound infamouses head in in the open worlld catagory, or use BK to kill MGS4. Bk is the best looking open world sandbox game on consoles(until AW comes out) and its on the 360 what does that tell you bout the ps3? I'm not saying that the Ps3 can't do it, but in SW if its not made it can't do it (atleast in FB logic). BK is a massive game so imagine what rare can do with a more straight forward game.

I own Banjo and I thought it looked great, like Ratchet and Clank on PS3...but these kinds of games get overlooked in SW. I think it's the cartoony graphics, but I do agree both games look stellar.

Also, I got some bad news, Rare recently confirmed they have not been working on Killer Instinct or PD2. The recent PD64 XBLA game wasn't even made by them, in fact. Natal has kept them super busy.

I do consider myself a RARE fan, I own all the Xbox and 360 games, the made, as well as all the GC (one lol, SFA) and N64 games they made. I have Battletoads for Genesis and NES (R.C. Pro Am, Solar Jetman: Hunt for the Golden Warpship) as well.:P

Rare's biggest hurdle is the talent that has left even more recently...

On 2 January 2007, Rare founders Chris and Tim Stamper left the company, and in 2008 and 2009, Grant Kirkhope, David Wise, and Steve Burke (musicians), Steve Malpass (designer) and George Kelion (community manager) left RARE. :cry:

You of course know about Free Radical (Goldeneye 007/Perfect Dark N64) design years ago, I assume. :P

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its not lemmings comparing their marginal better looking exclusives with superior PC games.
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Halo Reach and Alan Wake deserve the AAA hype and Graphics Hype.

Just recent examples of the many, many threads we see every day in SW:

  1. Alan Wake just ***** PS3 graphic king hopes.
  2. First 11 minutes of Alan Wake up (video inside, your pants might explode)
  3. Alan Wake will be graphics king
  4. Alan Wake the best looking console game(I got only this one over at GT to see if SW was alone...nope, and it's going to be good.)

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  1. Halo Reach New GRAPHICS KING. Sorry PS3
  2. Halo Reach, Console Graphics king
  3. Subject: Halo Reach will have console best graphics, just wait.(Here is one from BUNGIE .net!...I grabbed it because the hype is bigger than SW.)

I've seen a bunch for GeoW3 already (here is just a taste : GeoW3 Console graphics King), but I will focus on just the TC's two main games, to keep this post short. BTW : There were many more links, and for good reason, they will be super duperty amazing. :P

-----------

I mean Alan has been in development for a very, very, very long time, longer than even GT5, Splinter Cell, and Killzone 2. It's Remedy's latest opus, and it should rock. I remember having a 360 at launch and waiting for the makers of MAX PAYNE's next game, Alan Wake. It's going to be HUGE.

Halo is Halo, nuff said (Let's be honest, REACH will probably be the Xbox 360's first AAAAE, which was a long time coming). ODST used old Halo 3 assets from Halo 3 AI to Halo 3 graphics and ODST still managed AAAE at GS with considering it was a short expansion with old assets...imagine what REACH is going to do to GS staff's expectations! Longer, better graphics, AI, and game modes...GS is going to go NUTSO!

Halo Reach is going to look grandiose as well. All we hear from Bungie is the technical marvels this game will display, if any company has the raw talent to push the 360, it's BUNGIE! That's the deal right, that Talent is why PS3 games like GOW3, U2, U1, MLB10:The Show, Heavy Rain, and Killzone 2 look so good. Bungie will deliver, as will Remedy, and if not, the back up plan, EPIC has got it coming.

As far as Graphics, if people are going to choose two games for the year to finally take back the Console Graphics Crown, they chose the two best for 360...ALAN Wake and Halo Reach may have amazing hype for scores and graphics, but it is justified.

The Hype game here is about what GS thinks and what they will score as well as personal thoughts. What games would you recommend a hardcore 360 owner to hype? While these games looked good to great, Splinter Cell, Mass Effect 2, and Metro didn't pan out graphically as well as everyone hoped (regarding the Console Graphics King Status, they still look very good though). While they looked great, critics didn't jump on the boat and give the kind of love we expected, and we got for games like GeoW, GeoW2, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, etc.

However, these two upcoming games (Reach and Wake) are True 360 exclusives, and stand a better chance. They have both been in development for the 360 console, with no worries of making another version, so that's gotta strengthen the performance of the game, and make the teams task much easier in squeezing out the hardware. Overall, that's what is great about exclusives, devs can spend more time making ONE DEFINITIVE version for us to play and enjoy.

I didn't mention 2011's GeoW3 that much, which will have AAAE hype for score and GeoW3 already has hype for graphics as well. Why wouldn't it, Cliffy B. has assured us of his visual leadership.

For those that want to see Alan's AAA deserving Hype Thread, Here it is.

----------

EDIT : As you can see my post and links above prove that both games (Reach & Wake ) have lot's of extreme graphic hype and AAA hype...but they both deserve it.

I think Rare pushes the 360 the farthest this gen. play banjo KazooieN&B. its just incredible how detailed they have such an open game. honestly if rare was to make PD2(pretty sure they are, they say they want to keep the franchise goin) they're probably the xboxes best bet to go up against Kz2. in 05 PDZ had the best weapon models for a long time(till 07-08) then Rare had Kameo which looks good by todays standards, and viva pinata wich looks incredible for 06. and banjo which is easily graphics king for the 360. if PD2 was made on the BK engine(rev amped) and had a realistic are direction then it has the chance of being one of the best looking games this gen. honestly Bk is criminally over looked, suprised that lemming didn't use it to pound infamouses head in in the open worlld catagory, or use BK to kill MGS4. Bk is the best looking open world sandbox game on consoles(until AW comes out) and its on the 360 what does that tell you bout the ps3? I'm not saying that the Ps3 can't do it, but in SW if its not made it can't do it (atleast in FB logic). BK is a massive game so imagine what rare can do with a more straight forward game.

I approve of the Rare love in this post which is kinda rare :P in sw.

yeah me too. im a rare lover....one of the few who thought PDZ actually got the score it deserved..
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[QUOTE="mayceV"]SecretPolice, you me and mitu123 are in the minority, shame Rare is really good this gen, not legendary but great. sad that not everyone sees what Rare is doing. they deserve better Sales and more recognition. the only time they had any was Viva pinata, and PDZ. funny thing is that They have published moree games than the entire MS 1st party combined this gen (the ones that remain that is) forza 2, 3, Fable 2, you're in the movies.4 compard to Rare's 5 games this gen. all of which achieved AA atatus across the web. I think MS needs to market thier games better, I mean Viva pinata sold 1.6 million because of it commercials, VP:TIP sold .5 (I actually didn't know that they made it until I was looking at BK N&B, that shows how badly marketed that game was. same goes for BK .8 Mill because MS had such a small budget for the marketing. they thought the game will sell simply because of name. they put forth a bit of Web based ads but that Rarely works. Kameo had little ads, but they fixed up with PDZ and got 1.5 million copies out. I am shoced they don't have PD2 out already with PD3 in the works. Conker was one of the most played xbox games on XBl OG(until it was closed yeasterday) and MS still hasn't released a sequel. conker was too epic to not have a sequel.but there was an announcement that rare was working on 2 AAA qualtiy titles back in 09, I'm guessing that they''l be shown at E3. E3 gives me High hopes for Rare, and that Peter molyneux stated that he wants to help rare in Advertising and getting them well known so, I have hope for some good games from rare. truely My favorite Dev.SecretPolice

Another good post and agreed. :)

I have been predicting a super sweet Rare Banjo N&B and include free DL for Banjo 1&2 360 bundle for a couple years now and yet.....

I don't get why MS doesn't put that monster marketing they have to good use when it comes to Rare. :?

agreed, excellent post man. excellent. bravo!
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But without OVERHYPE we will never have FAIL.

-Grieves-
And fail is what makes SW spin. We need it!
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[QUOTE="tupapi006"]

Cows are the only ones that Overhype games

Hahadouken

.... Yes, it's been cows that started all the "SCC/ALAN WAKE/RDR/HALO REACH/CRYSIS 2 GRAPHICS KING, COWS AM CRY!" threads, I'll bet. :roll:

I've never heard of deferred lighting technology or volumetric effects and a number of other technical terms until Killzone 2 was launched, after that suddenly every PS3 owner was a graphics expert

To this day I still keep hearing those terms and I still don't know what they mean

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Almost all the posters I see hyping them as such are very low levels ....blue_hazy_basic

Here is a Level 36 Gamespot user's Thread for ya :P

UC2 what? The 360 is back with graphics king! (Created by Level 36 Gamespot user)

He's a high level, and he made the thread. :P I didn't post it in my other posts, since there is A LOT of hype for Alan and I didn't want to just post a million links. :P

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[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="tupapi006"]

Cows are the only ones that Overhype games

ohthemanatee

.... Yes, it's been cows that started all the "SCC/ALAN WAKE/RDR/HALO REACH/CRYSIS 2 GRAPHICS KING, COWS AM CRY!" threads, I'll bet. :roll:

I've never heard of deferred lighting technology or volumetric effects and a number of other technical terms until Killzone 2 was launched, after that suddenly every PS3 owner was a graphics expert

To this day I still keep hearing those terms and I still don't know what they mean

You joined Gamespot a year after Killzone 2 launched, I seriously doubt you saw all kinds of "deferred rendering" topics beginning in February 2010.
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Almost all the posters I see hyping them as such are very low levels ....SolidTy

Here is a Level 36 Gamespot user's Thread for ya :P

UC2 what? The 360 is back with graphics king! (Created by Level 36 Gamespot user)

He's a high level, and he made the thread. :P I didn't post it in my other posts, since there is A LOT of hype for Alan and I didn't want to just post a million links. :P

I was thinking to post that thread, beast me to it, this graphics thing is pretty annoying its like everyone forgot what matters in a game. I thought lair would have been a lesson learnt. Graphics don't mean anything. wish people could discuss gameplay more instead of"LOL @*insert game here* flopping" or "potiential graphics king" why can't people be just a tad bit more open in discussions? yes this was generalization there are some gamplay threads but they are in the minority.
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too much hyping on both sides. and same ol graphics thread everyday, with the same ol answers... sw is getting dull we need some new animated members, or just sticky all the graphics threads lol. :P
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#81 ohthemanatee
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You joined Gamespot a year after Killzone 2 launched, I seriously doubt you saw all kinds of "deferred rendering" topics beginning in February 2010.Hahadouken

Oh? so you're saying graphical discussions are gamespot exclusive?

And even then I still see these terms appear regularly