Stuff like this is why THQ is going to go bankrupt

http://www.vg247.com/2012/02/28/devils-third-budget-could-almost-make-every-itagaki-game-combined/

(I don't know how to do links, but gamespot is suddenly against the ridiculously easier hyperlink method)

I love Itagaki and his games. Man is a beast. Got suspended here once because I called his replacement a walking Vagina(CANT STOP ME THIS TIME). But how in the blue hell do you even approve this as a company? It's a new ip, it's japanese, and it's Itagaki who doesn't exactly have a track record to sell buckets. Not exactly a wise business decision.

The sad thing is what happens next gen when in theory the budgets are going to get even bigger; I mean who's gonna be next on the chopping block?

http://www.vg247.com/2012/02/28/devils-third-budget-could-almost-make-every-itagaki-game-combined/

(I don't know how to do links, but gamespot is suddenly against the ridiculously easier hyperlink method)

I love Itagaki and his games. Man is a beast. Got suspended here once because I called his replacement a walking Vagina(CANT STOP ME THIS TIME). But how in the blue hell do you even approve this as a company? It's a new ip, it's japanese, and it's Itagaki who doesn't exactly have a track record to sell buckets. Not exactly a wise business decision.

The sad thing is what happens next gen when in theory the budgets are going to get even bigger; I mean who's gonna be next on the chopping block?

jg4xchamp

And games need new funding methods and smaller budgets or the market is going to strangle itself.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

http://www.vg247.com/2012/02/28/devils-third-budget-could-almost-make-every-itagaki-game-combined/

(I don't know how to do links, but gamespot is suddenly against the ridiculously easier hyperlink method)

I love Itagaki and his games. Man is a beast. Got suspended here once because I called his replacement a walking Vagina(CANT STOP ME THIS TIME). But how in the blue hell do you even approve this as a company? It's a new ip, it's japanese, and it's Itagaki who doesn't exactly have a track record to sell buckets. Not exactly a wise business decision.

The sad thing is what happens next gen when in theory the budgets are going to get even bigger; I mean who's gonna be next on the chopping block?

SpruceCaboose

And games need new funding methods and smaller budgets or the market is going to strangle itself.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

http://www.vg247.com/2012/02/28/devils-third-budget-could-almost-make-every-itagaki-game-combined/

(I don't know how to do links, but gamespot is suddenly against the ridiculously easier hyperlink method)

I love Itagaki and his games. Man is a beast. Got suspended here once because I called his replacement a walking Vagina(CANT STOP ME THIS TIME). But how in the blue hell do you even approve this as a company? It's a new ip, it's japanese, and it's Itagaki who doesn't exactly have a track record to sell buckets. Not exactly a wise business decision.

The sad thing is what happens next gen when in theory the budgets are going to get even bigger; I mean who's gonna be next on the chopping block?

jg4xchamp

And games need new funding methods and smaller budgets or the market is going to strangle itself.

Giving Itagaki sh*t tons of money = bad

jg4xchamp

I don't follow. Maybe we're thinking of a different Itagaki...?

Even if he didn't need it for the actual games, he certainly needs it for blow and hookers. We need to support this man however we can.

Excluding Saint's Row and Homefront, did any games that were published by THQ this gen make much money?

I remember them from old WWE and Nickelodeon games, but I've seen them as just a "low-budget" publisher this gen.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

Giving Itagaki sh*t tons of money = bad

jethrovegas

I don't follow. Maybe we're thinking of a different Itagaki...?

Even if he didn't need it for the actual games, he certainly needs it for blow and hookers. We need to support this man however we can.

Something something oatmeal cookie joke.

I dunno, if you're going to sink big bucks into a game at least something different like Devil's Third has the chance to be a break-out. What's the alternative, blow your money on me-too shooters and hope one of them takes off?

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

Giving Itagaki sh*t tons of money = bad

jethrovegas

I don't follow. Maybe we're thinking of a different Itagaki...?

Even if he didn't need it for the actual games, he certainly needs it for blow and hookers. We need to support this man however we can.

Perhaps they have an undocumented source of income that lets them fund projects to this extent.

THQ heads are probably involved in drug and sex trafficking on the side.drinkerofjuice

There's plenty of companies losing money, and I honestly don't get how they keep going the way they are going, or why they do it.

Heck, there are even times when Activision, EA, and Ubisoft lose big money, and it happens pretty often.

I just don't get what goes through their heads? Why is it so difficult to make the decision that a $60-$100 million dev cost just isn't worth it

There's plenty of companies losing money, and I honestly don't get how they keep going the way they are going, or why they do it.

Heck, there are even times when Activision, EA, and Ubisoft lose big money, and it happens pretty often.

I just don't get what goes through their heads? Why is it so difficult to make the decision that a $60-$100 million dev cost just isn't worth it

SW__Troll

What the hell are they spending it all on?

Half the games in my library these days are "indie", and I don't notice any difference in production values, even though their budget is just a fraction of the big guys.

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There's plenty of companies losing money, and I honestly don't get how they keep going the way they are going, or why they do it.

Heck, there are even times when Activision, EA, and Ubisoft lose big money, and it happens pretty often.

I just don't get what goes through their heads? Why is it so difficult to make the decision that a $60-$100 million dev cost just isn't worth it

jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

There's plenty of companies losing money, and I honestly don't get how they keep going the way they are going, or why they do it.

Heck, there are even times when Activision, EA, and Ubisoft lose big money, and it happens pretty often.

I just don't get what goes through their heads? Why is it so difficult to make the decision that a $60-$100 million dev cost just isn't worth it

BrunoBRS

Something something oatmeal cookie joke.

I dunno, if you're going to sink big bucks into a game at least something different like Devil's Third has the chance to be a break-out. What's the alternative, blow your money on me-too shooters and hope one of them takes off?

Slow_Show

I wouldn't take Itagaki's comment to heart. He's probably trolling the reporter or he has no idea what he's talking about.

and he never made 30 games

There's plenty of companies losing money, and I honestly don't get how they keep going the way they are going, or why they do it.

SW__Troll

I wouldn't take Itagaki's comment to heart. He's probably trolling the reporter or he has no idea what he's talking about.

and he never made 30 games

Aljosa23

Lower budget, higher ROI games like Braid, IMO.SpruceCaboose

Yeah, but what publisher would actually agree to that? :P

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Lower budget, higher ROI games like Braid, IMO.Slow_Show

Yeah, but what publisher would actually agree to that? :P

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

There's plenty of companies losing money, and I honestly don't get how they keep going the way they are going, or why they do it.

Heck, there are even times when Activision, EA, and Ubisoft lose big money, and it happens pretty often.

I just don't get what goes through their heads? Why is it so difficult to make the decision that a $60-$100 million dev cost just isn't worth it

jg4xchamp

Well tbh, aside from THQ, I find most big publishers make a lot of doo-doo. With budgets as large as those games have it's pretty much a requirement to make it as universal as possible to attract as many people as they can. Doo-doo ranks pretty high up on a list of universal things alongside food, water, and air.

I just think it'd benefit all developers tremendously if they reverted back to the days of cheaper budgets. I think there'd be a far greater benefit to both gamers, and publishers/developers if we all sacrificed a bit in terms of our expectations for what a game should, and their expectation of what we want. I mean it's been proven at least enough times that high budgets don't buy customers, but of course there are some customers who only want those Michael Bay experiences.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

I wouldn't take Itagaki's comment to heart. He's probably trolling the reporter or he has no idea what he's talking about.

and he never made 30 games

jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

There's plenty of companies losing money, and I honestly don't get how they keep going the way they are going, or why they do it.

Heck, there are even times when Activision, EA, and Ubisoft lose big money, and it happens pretty often.

I just don't get what goes through their heads? Why is it so difficult to make the decision that a $60-$100 million dev cost just isn't worth it

SW__Troll

Well tbh, aside from THQ, I find most big publishers make a lot of doo-doo. With budgets as large as those games have it's pretty much a requirement to make it as universal as possible to attract as many people as they can. Doo-doo ranks pretty high up on a list of universal things alongside food, water, and air.

I just think it'd benefit all developers tremendously if they reverted back to the days of cheaper budgets. I think there'd be a far greater benefit to both gamers, and publishers/developers if we all sacrificed a bit in terms of our expectations for what a game should, and their expectation of what we want. I mean it's been proven at least enough times that high budgets don't buy customers, but of course there are some customers who only want those Michael Bay experiences.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

I wouldn't take Itagaki's comment to heart. He's probably trolling the reporter or he has no idea what he's talking about.

and he never made 30 games

Aljosa23

A good one?SpruceCaboose

Exactly. We're talking about the people who thought betting the farm on uDraw was a good idea.

Actually he said Ninja Gaiden 2 was a superior game to NGB when he was developing it. SO SUCK IT *****!!

....crap he did lie to me :cry:

jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]A good one?Slow_Show

Exactly. We're talking about the people who thought betting the farm on uDraw was a good idea.

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Yeah but Ubisoft makes doo-doo. At least THQ wants to publish fun stuff. Even if they did mess up and publish Darksiders. jg4xchamp

Well tbh, aside from THQ, I find most big publishers make a lot of doo-doo. With budgets as large as those games have it's pretty much a requirement to make it as universal as possible to attract as many people as they can. Doo-doo ranks pretty high up on a list of universal things alongside food, water, and air.

I just think it'd benefit all developers tremendously if they reverted back to the days of cheaper budgets. I think there'd be a far greater benefit to both gamers, and publishers/developers if we all sacrificed a bit in terms of our expectations for what a game should, and their expectation of what we want. I mean it's been proven at least enough times that high budgets don't buy customers, but of course there are some customers who only want those Michael Bay experiences.

I've always known Ubisoft to be the most inconsistent dev in the business.

I'm sure they'll be back up eventually, but after a few years of that they'll be back down again.

You win.SpruceCaboose

As much as I agree with you TC I would much rather have THQ go out of business because of a massively expensive action game from Itagaki than the U-Draw tablets that is currently killing them.

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[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

Well tbh, aside from THQ, I find most big publishers make a lot of doo-doo. With budgets as large as those games have it's pretty much a requirement to make it as universal as possible to attract as many people as they can. Doo-doo ranks pretty high up on a list of universal things alongside food, water, and air.

I just think it'd benefit all developers tremendously if they reverted back to the days of cheaper budgets. I think there'd be a far greater benefit to both gamers, and publishers/developers if we all sacrificed a bit in terms of our expectations for what a game should, and their expectation of what we want. I mean it's been proven at least enough times that high budgets don't buy customers, but of course there are some customers who only want those Michael Bay experiences.

SW__Troll

I've always known Ubisoft to be the most inconsistent dev in the business.

I'm sure they'll be back up eventually, but after a few years of that they'll be back down again.

It might be Japanese, it might be Itagaki, but that's fine by me, man. Fine by me.

I don't know how big of a success Devil's Third will be, but I'd rather see resources put into this game than another lame corridor shooter with a four hour campaign and its own lame spin on killstreaks.

[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

Something something oatmeal cookie joke.

I dunno, if you're going to sink big bucks into a game at least something different like Devil's Third has the chance to be a break-out. What's the alternative, blow your money on me-too shooters and hope one of them takes off?

SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Yeah, but Ubisoft is extra doo-doo

jg4xchamp

I've always known Ubisoft to be the most inconsistent dev in the business.

I'm sure they'll be back up eventually, but after a few years of that they'll be back down again.

Well, maybe their upcoming releases will be big enough mistakes to make them realize they should develop something else, and they'll return to the era of an Ubisoft who makes games like Beyond Good & Evil, the original Splinter Cells, Rayman 2, XIII, and the original (not quite original) Prince of Persia trilogy

This reminds me of Sega back in the DC dayz when they were loosing money left and right. They need to make money badly....and decided to spend 70 million on Shenmue....Hastening their death.

Not to say THQ need to put off big name games now, but sheesh, try to put money on something that may get you money...like shower it on say, Volition here, just saying.

Excluding Saint's Row and Homefront, did any games that were published by THQ this gen make much money?

I remember them from old WWE and Nickelodeon games, but I've seen them as just a "low-budget" publisher this gen.

Tikeio

Maybe THQ liked the game so bad they are throwing money at it....maybe the game is the best thing EVER!

Or maybe not.

Devs and publishes want to talk about making money and not having used sales/dlc's/drms and whatnot. The reality is, as presented here as an example, that most games are poorly budgeted. I still remember Jackie Chan, if i recall correctly, saying that the budget for Rush Hour 2 was so high that he'd be able to make a couple of chinese movies with the money that was provided for Rush Hour 2. It's the same for games. Devs get loads of $$$ and think that its going to equate $$$ back. Reality is that a bigger budget does not equate in a better game or, in movie terms, a better movie. Poor budgeting is the "most" important factor in Devs and publishers losing money on games--not used games, piracy, blaming fans, etc. To the TC, yes, I agree with you completely.

A quater of that budget is spent on sun glasses.

sales rises. its propbably going to flop. maybe flop hard too.. hopefully it will be good. heard the game is running at 30fps which cause some neogaf members to flip out. guess thats not a good thing.

A quater of that budget is spent on sun glasses.

True_Chaos_UK

I just hope Devil's Third will be the best game of next year.

I'm really disappointed that Itagaki left Team Ninja....

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

Something something oatmeal cookie joke.

I dunno, if you're going to sink big bucks into a game at least something different like Devil's Third has the chance to be a break-out. What's the alternative, blow your money on me-too shooters and hope one of them takes off?

Teufelhuhn