Suda 51: Third party Wii games aren't selling

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=179648

Goichi Suda, otherwise known as Killer 7 and No More Heroes director Suda 51, claims that third-party titles for the Wii aren't selling in his home land and that only Nintendo is really profiting from its success.

Speaking about the sales of No More Heroes in Japan, he told us, "Whilst the sales weren't as high as I hoped, other titles for Wii aren't selling so well either. Only Nintendo titles are doing well. This isn't just because of the current situation in Japan, as this is happening outside Japan."

He also expressed surprise over the casual audience that has been the primary adopters of the Wii. "Actually I was very surprised about the reality about Wii, because before I was making this game, I wasn't expecting that Wii would be a console targeted only for non-gamers. I expected more games for hardcore gamers. The reality is different to what I expected".

Advertisement: No More Heroes was released in Japan last year to impressive reviews, but failed to set the retail world alight. It's been reported that on its launch day, it took twenty minutes for someone to buy a copy at a signing, and even then it was a journalist from Famitsu.

The Wii title is released in the UK on February 29. we hope and pray it does better over here.

GH3, RE4 Wii, Red Steel, and RE UC say OTHERWISE.

Third Parties sell tremendous on the Wii if they are good branded and well marketed.

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Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

TekkenMaster606

Yes Red Steel is over the million mark..

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

TekkenMaster606

PS3 has no third party games that have achieved that.

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

surfer_dude_

PS3 has no third party games that have achieved that.

Call of Duty 4. :|

Wow. That really sucks. I can't believe he had to wait 20 minutes for a person to actually come buy the game so he can sign it and even then, it was a journalist from Famitsu.

If he had done that in an area relatively close by to my area, I would have been first in line ^,^

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

surfer_dude_

PS3 has no third party games that have achieved that.

You mean like COD4, Assassin's Creed??? Those are 2 just from the last 4 months... Don't be a d-bagel.

[QUOTE="surfer_dude_"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

TekkenMaster606

PS3 has no third party games that have achieved that.

Call of Duty 4. :|

It only has 1 recorded month of npd sales... the 360 version is the only version to break a million to this point.

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="surfer_dude_"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

surfer_dude_

PS3 has no third party games that have achieved that.

Call of Duty 4. :|

It only has 1 recorded month of npd sales... the 360 version is the only version to break a million to this point.

The NPD only tracks a specific segment. Worldwide COD4 PS3 is around 1.5 million.

[QUOTE="surfer_dude_"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

D3monchicken

PS3 has no third party games that have achieved that.

You mean like COD4, Assassin's Creed??? Those are 2 just from the last 4 months... Don't be a d-bagel.

[QUOTE="surfer_dude_"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="surfer_dude_"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

TekkenMaster606

PS3 has no third party games that have achieved that.

Call of Duty 4. :|

It only has 1 recorded month of npd sales... the 360 version is the only version to break a million to this point.

The NPD only tracks a specific segment. Worldwide COD4 PS3 is around 1.5 million.

with all the hype, its going to do so much better in NAdarkspineslayer

what hype?

I think this issue is being exaggerated. Suda has a bad press release and wants to blame someone else.

In popular culture, the most influential things aren't necessarily the most profitable things. The artsy stylings of Suda aren't going to sell record numbers. It's just the nature of all marketplaces.

I think this issue is being exaggerated. Suda has a bad press release and wants to blame someone else.

In popular culture, the most influential things aren't necessarily the most profitable things. The artsy stylings of Suda aren't going to sell record numbers. It's just the nature of all marketplaces.

effthat

Why do you think most 3rd party developers are still hesistant to work on a big budget wii game even after its explosive success??? I'm not talking super budget i'm talking something more than, MY sims, ea playground, and the other quick "casual test products" as I call them. Suda is right... There are little to NO hardcore games... This is debatable to the blind though.

"Actually I was very surprised about the reality about Wii, because before I was making this game, I wasn't expecting that Wii would be a console targeted only for non-gamers. I expected more games for hardcore gamers. The reality is different to what I expected".flashattackfina

I think that the 3rd party titles are slow to arrive because of their initial stutter to enter the market. The "casual test products" take less time than the more traditional games. So there will be more on the market sooner.

Suda says nothing about hardcore games. He claims his game didn't sell well because of Nintendo's marketing. That's a line if I've ever heard one. If Suda wanted a huge commercial success, he needs to step away from his vision and make what sells. You can't have huge commercial success by making this kind of game. It doesn't happen. It's ridiculous to imagine that your vision is going to be different.

It's also ridiculous to think that copies of a game nobody knows about will fly off the shelves! He didn't advertise, he made an artsy game, and his name is only recognizable within the industry and videogame hobbiests. He isn't going to sell that many doing that!

Look at Stan Lee. Truely influential in american culture. Everyone knows who spiderman is. How many people could pick Stan Lee out in a line-up? How long did it take for him to achieve the status he has today?

Suda isn't going to get a fast pass to stardom.

[QUOTE="effthat"]

I think this issue is being exaggerated. Suda has a bad press release and wants to blame someone else.

In popular culture, the most influential things aren't necessarily the most profitable things. The artsy stylings of Suda aren't going to sell record numbers. It's just the nature of all marketplaces.

D3monchicken

Why do you think most 3rd party developers are still hesistant to work on a big budget wii game even after its explosive success??? I'm not talking super budget i'm talking something more than, MY sims, ea playground, and the other quick "casual test products" as I call them. Suda is right... There are little to NO hardcore games... This is debatable to the blind though.

seems like the chicken or the egg. if they want big sales they need titles that will generate them. Suda's titles don't have a track record of that. why would you expect to see high 3rd party sales when they haven't release much that is expected to sell well. and when they do(gh3,re4) ppl make up excuses to exclude them.

Stop making excuses for the Wii, about 70% of the people that purchased one wont even know the game exists because they're all casuals who are only interested in WiiSports.

Stop making excuses for the Wii, about 70% of the people that purchased one wont even know the game exists because they're all casuals who are only interested in WiiSports.

BambooBanger

Stop making excuses for the Wii, about 70% of the people that purchased one wont even know the game exists because they're all casuals who are only interested in WiiSports.

BambooBanger

yes that would explain the software sales now equal to 360 in the US and likely more worldwide.

[QUOTE="D3monchicken"][QUOTE="effthat"]

I think this issue is being exaggerated. Suda has a bad press release and wants to blame someone else.

In popular culture, the most influential things aren't necessarily the most profitable things. The artsy stylings of Suda aren't going to sell record numbers. It's just the nature of all marketplaces.

Ontain

Why do you think most 3rd party developers are still hesistant to work on a big budget wii game even after its explosive success??? I'm not talking super budget i'm talking something more than, MY sims, ea playground, and the other quick "casual test products" as I call them. Suda is right... There are little to NO hardcore games... This is debatable to the blind though.

seems like the chicken or the egg. if they want big sales they need titles that will generate them. Suda's titles don't have a track record of that. why would you expect to see high 3rd party sales when they haven't release much that is expected to sell well. and when they do(gh3,re4) ppl make up excuses to exclude them.

Guitar Hero and RE sell so good on anything even mobile phones I bet because of their NAME... Most new hardcore and really good games would have to be downgraded for the wii, hence why multiplats are now 360/ps3... Another reason why the Wii has been seeing Ps2 and Psp ports left and right. It's ridiculous...

Guitar Hero and RE sell so good on anything even mobile phones I bet because of their NAME... Most new hardcore and really good games would have to be downgraded for the wii, hence why multiplats are now 360/ps3... Another reason why the Wii has been seeing Ps2 and Psp ports left and right. It's ridiculous...

D3monchicken

exactly. 3rd party devs don't put into the wii what they should thus they shouldn't expect to do as well as nintendo.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="D3monchicken"][QUOTE="effthat"]

I think this issue is being exaggerated. Suda has a bad press release and wants to blame someone else.

In popular culture, the most influential things aren't necessarily the most profitable things. The artsy stylings of Suda aren't going to sell record numbers. It's just the nature of all marketplaces.

D3monchicken

Why do you think most 3rd party developers are still hesistant to work on a big budget wii game even after its explosive success??? I'm not talking super budget i'm talking something more than, MY sims, ea playground, and the other quick "casual test products" as I call them. Suda is right... There are little to NO hardcore games... This is debatable to the blind though.

seems like the chicken or the egg. if they want big sales they need titles that will generate them. Suda's titles don't have a track record of that. why would you expect to see high 3rd party sales when they haven't release much that is expected to sell well. and when they do(gh3,re4) ppl make up excuses to exclude them.

Guitar Hero and RE sell so good on anything even mobile phones I bet because of their NAME... Most new hardcore and really good games would have to be downgraded for the wii, hence why multiplats are now 360/ps3... Another reason why the Wii has been seeing Ps2 and Psp ports left and right. It's ridiculous...

So you're saying that proper branding and marketing will make even a terrible game sell? Yeah...I agree! Lack of proper branding and marketing will leave a great game behind just as easily.

Furthermore; the DS is getting Multiplats of these "new hardcore and really good games". The only reason the Wii is missing out is because the control scheme is tough to move. Coincidentally, this is also opening up multiplats of PC games that couldn't be moved to consoles in previous generations.

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

Stop making excuses for the Wii, about 70% of the people that purchased one wont even know the game exists because they're all casuals who are only interested in WiiSports.

Ontain

yes that would explain the software sales now equal to 360 in the US and likely more worldwide.

Oh really ? Can you provide some actual proof of this claim ?

I'm betting they include WiiSport and WiiPlay as well :roll:

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

Stop making excuses for the Wii, about 70% of the people that purchased one wont even know the game exists because they're all casuals who are only interested in WiiSports.

BambooBanger

yes that would explain the software sales now equal to 360 in the US and likely more worldwide.

Oh really ? Can you provide some actual proof of this claim ?

I'm betting they include WiiSport and WiiPlay as well :roll:

just like 360 sales include their bundles.

Suda really needs a lesson in pricing. 7,140 Yen? GTFO.

I heard about this a while ago and its pretty sad, just another example to show you that ratings don't matter.

I think the game will do better in the US, I don't see it doing so well in the UK for some reason.

I think developers make a point though

Why take all this timeand money to develop a game, when you can just make a mini game for the Wii and make tons of money.

Maybe the Wii is killing gaming, nawww

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

Stop making excuses for the Wii, about 70% of the people that purchased one wont even know the game exists because they're all casuals who are only interested in WiiSports.

Ontain

yes that would explain the software sales now equal to 360 in the US and likely more worldwide.

Oh really ? Can you provide some actual proof of this claim ?

I'm betting they include WiiSport and WiiPlay as well :roll:

just like 360 sales include their bundles.

So where's this link ?

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

TekkenMaster606

I don't understand why Nintendo understands what gamers or non-gamers want more than anyone else. Yes the third party sales on the Wii are poor you could name a game here and there that has done well but over all they have done poorly. Take this DS list

Pokemon Diamond & Pearl Versions Pokemon Co. 5,397,204
New! Super Mario Brothers Nintendo 4,995,153
Brain Age 2 Nintendo 4,782,571
Animal Crossing: Wild World Nintendo 4,514,000
Brain Age Nintendo 3,609,898
Mario Kart DS Nintendo 2,695,428
English Training Nintendo 2,051,037
Nintendogs Nintendo 1,708,393
Common Sense Training Nintendo 1,538,618
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker Square Enix 1,458,149
Mario Party DS Nintendo 1,441,000
Big Brain Academy Nintendo 1,426,671

Only one third party game on the list. Not Nintendo fault it the fault of the third party companies to not have been R&D to understand what the gamers and non-gamers want.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

Stop making excuses for the Wii, about 70% of the people that purchased one wont even know the game exists because they're all casuals who are only interested in WiiSports.

BambooBanger

yes that would explain the software sales now equal to 360 in the US and likely more worldwide.

Oh really ? Can you provide some actual proof of this claim ?

I'm betting they include WiiSport and WiiPlay as well :roll:

just like 360 sales include their bundles.

So where's this link ?

here's the one i was refering to. it's vgchartz but that's the best we got till NPD.

as you see forza and MUA are back in the top 10 because of bundle as well.

And i don't think i even need to link Japan's sales. we all know the situation there for the 360.

the truth of the matter is, Nintendo is focusing on a different market. By putting NMH on wii, a place where the fanbase consist mostly of casuals, the game obviously wouldn;'t have sold well. just like zack and wiki.

BS that's vgchartz propoganda.surfer_dude_

You mean that games can't sale worldwide and vgchartz started that BS lie?

Actually advertising their games might help sales.:wink:VGobbsesser

Which might help....I have yet to see an add for no more heros

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Actually advertising their games might help sales.:wink:HarlockJC

Which might help....I have yet to see an add for no more heros

what i don't understand is why don't i never see any third party games don't sell on ps3 thread there software sales are way worst then the wii software sales i find that funny. the ps3 hss no third party exclusive million sellers and the wii has them.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Actually advertising their games might help sales.:wink:Nintendo_Ownes7

Which might help....I have yet to see an add for no more heros

Ubisoft did adds for both Redsteel and Rayman. Which both sold well and I am still holding out hope that Z&W may do better in the EU. Just because of there love for PC games.

what i don't understand is why don't i never see any third party games don't sell on ps3 thread there software sales are way worst then the wii software sales i find that funny. the ps3 hss no third party exclusive million sellers and the wii has them.

sherlock99

Sony doesn't have the knack for making games that overshadow the entire industry. Nintendo does. Nintendo is gonna get ragged on for making games too good.

Basically, it's Sony policy to make crap games to entice 3rd party support.