Suda 51: Third party Wii games aren't selling

He's right though

Third party Wii sales in japan are horrible and Nintendo is doing nothing to help them. Casuals are ignoring the good stuff and focusing on minigame collection and first party titles

The truth of the matter is that while the Wii will have better third aprty support than the Gamecube it's still the worst platform fro third parties

I feel sorry for sheep who don't own a PS3/360 or PC

honestly I think that 3rd party wii games don't sell because most of them suck or get no advertising.laughingman42

I'm sorry but this is just pathetic. On the list of the highest selling third party games on current gen consoles in Japan the Wii not only had the most titles on the list, but had the best selling.

While I respect his vision he's clearly trying to cover his ass on why his game flopped.

Despite being a niche game maybe if he handed it to a publisher that wasn't a niche publisher then maybe it could've gotten some decent advertising?

I feel the same way about this as when Factor 5 stated that LAIR turned out to be a band game because of "unlucky development".

[QUOTE="flashattackfina"]"Actually I was very surprised about the reality about Wii, because before I was making this game, I wasn't expecting that Wii would be a console targeted only for non-gamers. I expected more games for hardcore gamers. The reality is different to what I expected".Forza_2

Agreed. It's what all developers do when their games do bad whether it's "the console" or "the piracy" or "haunted development".

The irony of that statement is that Fire Emblem on the Wii was the best selling console Fire Emblem game sold far better then the GC version despite the smaller userbase at the time, and don't even get me started on Galaxy.

Possibly if SUDA-51 actually looked at the game and see that it wasn't appealing, and also advertised it probably it would've sold better.

I mean hell people weren't even aware that SUDA-51 was in that game store that night, I doubt they advertised the game properly (I actually think there wasn't even a commercial in Japan for it but I could be wrong.)

Though I support it, I find it ironic that he says "Punk Games" are the unique way to go, but when the game sells bad he gets confused. Maybe he's realizing why most developer don't make "Punk Games".

GH3, RE4 Wii, Red Steel, and RE UC say OTHERWISE.

Third Parties sell tremendous on the Wii if they are good branded and well marketed.

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surfer_dude_

GH games sell well on ALL systems, RE4 was a game that cost 29.99 and is RE4 of course it would sell well, Red Steel was bundled with the Wii for a while at most local video game stores and is a launch game so of course it is likly to sell well seeing as its had the most time to sell.

RE is selling ok, for the install base it should be doing a little better, Uncharted and Heavently Sword are selling about as well as that game and they have a much smaller install base.

3rd party games dont sell very well and its support will continue to suffer, but thats fine because my Wii is my secondary console so I dont need a ton of Wii games.

I'm sorry but this is just pathetic. On the list of the highest selling third party games on current gen consoles in Japan the Wii not only had the most titles on the list, but had the best selling.

While I respect his vision he's clearly trying to cover his ass on why his game flopped.

Despite being a niche game maybe if he handed it to a publisher that wasn't a niche publisher then maybe it could've gotten some decent advertising?

I feel the same way about this as when Factor 5 stated that LAIR turned out to be a band game because of "unlucky development".

Gunraidan

Ubisoft isn't a Niche Publisher but Marvelous and Rising Star are Niche Publishers and all three are publishing this game, hopefully Ubisoft advertises No More Heroes because it launches in 6 days in North America and they haven't even advertised it yet.Nintendo_Ownes7

I was referring to Marvelous. See this is what makes me pist. Publishers don't even bother to let people know about their games, and when the games sell bad they look towards stupid excuses.

GH games sell well on ALL systems, RE4 was a game that cost 29.99 and is RE4 of course it would sell well, Red Steel was bundled with the Wii for a while at most local video game stores and is a launch game so of course it is likly to sell well seeing as its had the most time to sell.

RE is selling ok, for the install base it should be doing a little better, Uncharted and Heavently Sword are selling about as well as that game and they have a much smaller install base.

3rd party games dont sell very well and its support will continue to suffer, but thats fine because my Wii is my secondary console so I dont need a ton of Wii games.

Javy03

Gotta love these excuses.

First off the Marketing Managaer on Capcom BBS stated that RE:UC is doing very well (which it is, it could possibly go past their 610K expectations).

Second of all, Guitar Hero doesn't sell well because it's popular? Well I'm sorry but I wasn't aware that games that aren't popular sell.

[QUOTE="surfer_dude_"]

GH3, RE4 Wii, Red Steel, and RE UC say OTHERWISE.

Third Parties sell tremendous on the Wii if they are good branded and well marketed.

/thread

Javy03

GH games sell well on ALL systems (BUT BEST ON THE WII), RE4 was a game that cost 29.99 and is RE4 of course it would sell well (A GOOD GAME SELLS WELL? AND THATS WHY IT SHOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN THE LIST OF GAMES THAT SELL WELL? YEAH OK....), Red Steel was bundled with the Wii for a while at most local video game stores and is a launch game so of course it is likly to sell well seeing as its had the most time to sell(IT WAS ALSO MARKETED WELL AND WAS THE FIRST FPS ON THE CONSOLE THAT IS REVOLUTIONIZING THE GENRE).

RE is selling ok, for the install base it should be doing a little better, Uncharted and Heavently Sword are selling about as well as that game and they have a much smaller install base (UNCHARTED AND HEAVENLY SWORD ARE THE CREAM OF THE PS3'S DISAPPOINTING LINE-UP. RE:UC IS A SPINOFF OF A PROVEN FRANCHISE WITH A HIGHLY LOYAL FANBASE).

3rd party games dont sell very well and its support will continue to suffer, but thats fine because my Wii is my secondary console so I dont need a ton of Wii games.

Maybe if they actually tried to ...y'know....advertise it!?

Maybe if they actually tried to ...y'know....advertise it!?

Shinobishyguy

Forget it, nobody will listen.

Developers always say BS like this and people eat it up.

It's the same reason why Nintendo fans lower their expectations for third parties, why fighting game fans somehow think that a developer creating new character sprites is near impossible, why most gamers think that PC is irrelevant to publishers because it's piracy is out of control, etc.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

Well, the third party wii games aren't exactly screaming "play me" like COD 4 or even Assassin's Creed.dkhw

Publishers still have to figure out the Wii's Stream Gaming Market. Though Guitar Hero III and the Resident Evil franchise gives them an insight.

But either way it doesn't matter.

What I find hilarious is this.

If a developer creates a spin-off/low production valued title and it doesn't reach the blockbuster sales that a main entry does the Wii gets labeled as a console that can't sell third party games. Meaning that no matter what third parties create the game will not sell well, the system is doomed to walk on the same steps of the Gamecube and Nintendo 64 as a "Nintendo only console".

Now if a developer creates a spin-off/low production valued title and it does sell well, then the Wii gets bashed for being a system that shovelware can sell well on and gets nagged on how it's ruining gaming. Meaning that third parties can effortlessly put games on it and it will still sell well, so in the long run they will just make nothing but C-Budgeted games making the industry a giant crapfest.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

Maybe if they actually tried to ...y'know....advertise it!?

Gunraidan

Forget it, nobody will listen.

Developers always say BS like this and people eat it up.

It's the same reason why Nintendo fans lower their expectations for third parties, why fighting game fans somehow think that a developer creating new character sprites is near impossible, why most gamers think that PC is irrelevant to publishers because it's piracy is out of control, etc.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

Well, the third party wii games aren't exactly screaming "play me" like COD 4 or even Assassin's Creed.dkhw

Publishers still have to figure out the Wii's Stream Gaming Market. Though Guitar Hero III and the Resident Evil franchise gives them an insight.

Also Capcom said they might bring Bionic Commando to the Wii if they knew alot of people would want it and so far they already got 7,000 Signatures, in I don't know how many days, so that is alot IMO, there probably is more now because last timeI looked was 3 hours ago and when I signed a minute later they already had about 200 more Signatures.Nintendo_Ownes7

I'd rather have them create a ground up one for the Wii, like a sidescrolling 2D one. Or possibly a franchise similar to Bionic Commando. I personally don't want a downgraded game I can already get on PC, but rather a game built ground up for the Wii as well as with it's specs in mind.

But this IS Capcom:

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

surfer_dude_

PS3 has no third party games that have achieved that.

[QUOTE="surfer_dude_"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Red Steel. :lol:

Resident Evil 4 Wii is also a budget title. God third party software sales on Wii is pathetic.

V_Isle

PS3 has no third party games that have achieved that.

I wouldn't say pathetic, but my wii has been pretty quiet after I finished galaxy.

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]Ubisoft isn't a Niche Publisher but Marvelous and Rising Star are Niche Publishers and all three are publishing this game, hopefully Ubisoft advertises No More Heroes because it launches in 6 days in North America and they haven't even advertised it yet.Gunraidan

I was referring to Marvelous. See this is what makes me pist. Publishers don't even bother to let people know about their games, and when the games sell bad they look towards stupid excuses.

GH games sell well on ALL systems, RE4 was a game that cost 29.99 and is RE4 of course it would sell well, Red Steel was bundled with the Wii for a while at most local video game stores and is a launch game so of course it is likly to sell well seeing as its had the most time to sell.

RE is selling ok, for the install base it should be doing a little better, Uncharted and Heavently Sword are selling about as well as that game and they have a much smaller install base.

3rd party games dont sell very well and its support will continue to suffer, but thats fine because my Wii is my secondary console so I dont need a ton of Wii games.

Javy03

Gotta love these excuses.

First off the Marketing Managaer on Capcom BBS stated that RE:UC is doing very well (which it is, it could possibly go past their 610K expectations).

Second of all, Guitar Hero doesn't sell well because it's popular? Well I'm sorry but I wasn't aware that games that aren't popular sell.

They are not excuses, Guitar Hero selling well doesnt help the Wii, its a game that appeals to their audience, they need to have more hardcore 3rd party titles to sell well, especially exclusives because lets face it, Guitar Hero can be ported easily to the Wii but most games cant be ported well from th 360/PS3 to the Wii. Those are the ones that need to sell well.

People can cite RE:4 all they want and ignore the fact it costalmost 50% less then a new Wii game but that wont help us Wii owners.

According to VGchartz RE:UC sold something like 740k which is great but I own UC, I dont need more of those kind of games. It was a very fun (with another person) game but very shallow, you breifly glaze over three Resident evil games. Thier story's are just barely touched on, basically great for people who dont care about the story or for people who already played the full games but not a solid standalone title. We need Zack to sell well, No more Heroes to sell well, not more of the same.

They are not excuses, Guitar Hero selling well doesnt help the Wii, its a game that appeals to their audience,Javy03

Well the game sells on the Xbox 360 and PS2 too...

they need to have more hardcore 3rd party titles to sell well, especially exclusivesJavy03

Name one game like that that had potential to sell really well on the Wii.

because lets face it, Guitar Hero can be ported easily to the Wii but most games cant be ported well from th 360/PS3 to the Wii. Those are the ones that need to sell well.

What does ease of port have to do with 3rd Party Games selling on the Wii?

People can cite RE:4 all they want and ignore the fact it costalmost 50% less then a new Wii game but that wont help us Wii owners.

According to VGchartz RE:UC sold something like 740k which is great but I own UC, I dont need more of those kind of games. It was a very fun (with another person) game but very shallow, you breifly glaze over three Resident evil games. Thier story's are just barely touched on, basically great for people who dont care about the story or for people who already played the full games but not a solid standalone title.Javy03

#1 You used VGCharts

#2 You were talking about sales and not quality, and according to VGCharts it outsold it's 610K prediction from Capcom.

#3 Crap leads to gold. We've seen this with the Nintendo DS. Publishers aren't going to release AAA games on your console if it's unproven, they need to test it first (example Dragon Quest Slime Knight and Monster sold well on the DS, so the DS got Dragon Quest IX).

We need Zack to sell well, No more Heroes to sell well, not more of the same.

Javy03

Those games are very unappealing to the general gaming public.

No Suda 51 game has ever sold well in Japan. It's just not their cup of tea.

Anyways, do you want to know the reason why third party titles aren't selling? BECAUSE THERE AREN'T MANY GOOD ONES YET!

It's as simple as that. Good games have sold well on the Wii. No More Heroes will be much more successful in NA and Europe than it was in Japan. It'll probably have a good shot at selling more than half a million.

• "Bu....but teh Wii iz selleng lyk hotcaykes....mor Turd Partee Supportt ar comeng!"
• "Bu....but teh biggerr teh sellz, da mor Turd Parteez ar comeng!"
• "Bu....but luuk at da Pee Ess 2oo, et sellz mor end mor Turd Parteez caym!"(my favorite) :lol:

Well the devs just need to make good games, with good support and advertising. Not **** spinoffs and minigames. If a game is good it'll probably sell well. Capcom is doing great on Wii. So is Guitar Hero 3. Trauma Centre I'm not sure, but I think it sold well enough? And we know Nintendo sells a bajillion games. The best games on Wii ARE selling. Except No More Heroes which is too nuts for most people :P

Edit: Zack and Wiki is out any day now here in Europe. And No More Heros out soon too. I'll be getting both and I hope many more will too.

Who cares? I don't have a PS3, so I'm still gonna laugh at your pathetic console.
V_Isle

That "pathetic console" outsold the 360 in a few months

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]Actually advertising their games might help sales.:wink:Nintendo_Ownes7

Which might help....I have yet to see an add for no more heros

You can include Bwii and Medal Of Honor too.

We should respect and honor the work of Mr. Suda San. He is a great visionary. He is scorned by his own people because in their culture he is considered one who is obsessed with the ways of outsiders.

We should respect and honor the work of Mr. Suda San. He is a great visionary. He is scorned by his own people because in their culture he is considered one who is obsessed with the ways of outsiders.

JiveT

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Well when I buy a Nintendo console it's mainly 80% Nintendo games, 20% the rest. In other words out of 10 games 8 are made by nintendo. And I'm pretty sure it's the same for other players, maybe lower % but it's sure as hell that ppl buy more nintendo games than 3rd party ones on a nintendo console.haris12121212

I ownedover 20 games for my gamecube, and Id say more than half of them were third party. Lets see... Smash Bros, Metroid Prime, F-zero, Mario Sunshine, Windwaker, ans Star Fox Adventures, and I guess Eternal Darkness qualifies given it was nintendo Published... That encompasses my Nintendo Published titles :/

GH3, RE4 Wii, Red Steel, and RE UC say OTHERWISE.

Third Parties sell tremendous on the Wii if they are good branded and well marketed.

/thread

surfer_dude_

Rayman Raving Rabbids also sold over a million

If a third party makes a good game and markets it, it will sell.

Z+W and Trauma Center can be as good as they want, but nobody will buy it if they don't know it exists. I don't need to explain why crap like Spiderman 3 doesn't sell.

Suda should start developing indie projects for PSN and XBLA. I always thought he was wasting his time developing for the Wii but honestly, his titles are very niche.fierro316

Killer 7 was a multiplatform game, Suda just wants to make games for the console that sells the best in all markets, which is where the Wii wins. He only has two games out so far that he has made himself and Killer 7 was an excellent game with a rather interesting premise, his games are bound to be quality regardless of whether or not they are niche titles.