Super Mario Galaxy DESTROYS Ratchet and Clank ToD

Let me start by saying that I am a PS3 owner that greatly enjoys Ratchet & Clank, generally dislikes the Wii and current day Nintendo.

Now that I got that out of the way...

...to satisfy a craving I have had for Super Mario Galaxy until I can put aside some money for a Wii (yes, I will buy a Wii-a system that I dislike-just for SMG), I recently watched GameSpot's Super Mario Galaxy marathon, in which they played a pretty good chunk of the game live. So even though I have not played the game, I have a very good idea of how it plays, what it's level design is like, what it looks like, etc.

After watching this magical game for an extended period of time, it simply boggles my mind that some (these are relatively few in number, but they still boggle my mind) people still say Ratchet and Clank is better. I know it's all subjective to a point, but there IS a way to look at games objectively by way of common ground using established video game standards. I keep trying to see what could be objectively better about Ratchet and Clank and I keep coming up short.

Sure, it murders SMG as far as technical visuals go (as it is on PS3, it should), but Super Mario Galaxy's psychedelic art sytle is far more interesting to look at IMO. This is especially true when one considers that Insomniac has been rehashing the same art style/locales ad nauseum for the past 5 years or so. Don't get me wrong, Ratchet and Clank: ToD is a gorgeous game, but I feel that more thought was put into SMG's art design.

However, it's the gameplay in SMG that truly slaughters that found in R&C.

These are the reasons why:

1.) Its levels designs are far more inventive and clever. The fact that physics come into play and the levels take the form of these incredibly inventive planet-like structures makes R&C seem rather linear and typical. Ratchet and Clank attempts to build a galaxy, but it comes across as being a typical action/platform world with a futrustic spin, whereas SMG truly nails what outer space would look and feel like.

2.) It's more challenging. SMG actually has pitfalls and puzzles, the kind of stuff that made classic platforming games challenging. R&C has lots of cool gadgets and some mildly interesting gameplay mechanics, but it is an extremely easy game that mostly involves shooting up stuff. The physics in SMG makes it seem like one actually has to keep their balance, etc and the way one must navigate the levels forces the player to think a bit more. R&C just seems so "mindless" in comparison.

3.) SMG is a departure from earlier entries, whereas R&C is part of a continuing rehash cycle that needs to stop. ToD plays EXACTLY the same as past Ratchet & Clank games. I feel that R&C: ToD should have scored higher than 7.5--it deserved an 8.5--but I can't exactly blame the reviewer. R&C: ToD adds nothing new except for frivolous details like the pirate costume, etc.

4.) R&C is far more predictable. You pretty much know what you're getting the whole game through. With Super Mario Galaxy, there is always a surprise. It was simply a joy to see the game turn into a 2D sidescroller on occasion

5.) SMG's boss battles are far more inventive, both in art design and the way you defeat them. Sure, SMG's bosses look easy as hell, but they are very cleverly designed. There is always an interesting mechanic used to defeat them. In R&C, you basically just shoot at the boss until their life meter is exstinguished.

6.) SMG's enemy designs are more interesting-looking and varied, making R&C's collection of robots look rather repetitive. I mean, how can a robot from R&C possibly compete with the chain chompers and those living bullets heads?

7.) SMG has a more interesting soundtrack. There's more variety, more quirkiness and the songs fit the stages better.

I'm sure I could come up with more reasons for SMG destroying R&C, but I'm tired of typing.

Basically, I don't see a case for R&C being better in any area besides graphics. If anybody can enlighten me, I'd be interested in what that person has to say.

Also: PLEASE don't litter this thread with these kind of posts:

"I like R&C better cuz it's funner to me."

or

"I just like it better."

or

"Blog it."

or

"Opinions...everybody has them."

or

"They're two different kind of games. Can't compare."

I will ignore that kind of deflection. I want real objective reasoning here.

I'll agree that Galaxy's more inventive and polished. But, personally, I enjoyed Ratchet and Clank better.

Oh, and as you can see from my sig, I'm a fan of both.

TL;DR you're a few months late.Komodog

I don't see any reason why I can't bring this back up.

I really want to know the logic behind thinking R&C is better. I've seen people make this claim and I don't see the logic behind it, so I'm asking.

Well, like R&C better cuz it's funner to me. I just like it better. What you post is your opinion so Blog it. Opinions, everybody has them. oh, and they're two different kinds of games. Can't compare!

I had to do it dude:p

[QUOTE="Komodog"]TL;DR you're a few months late.Tragic_Kingdom7

I don't see any reason why I can't bring this back up.

I really want to know the logic behind thinking R&C is better. I've seen people make this claim and I don't see the logic behind it, so I'm asking.

you're asking for logic on system wars?

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

but yes, SMG is better by a mile.

I'll agree that Galaxy's more inventive and polished. But, personally, I enjoyed Ratchet and Clank better.

Oh, and as you can see from my sig, I'm a fan of both.

Storm_Marine

Yes. I am too.

And I can understand how somebody could like the shooting action and the gadgets better than the puzzles and pitfalls, but I'm sort of looking for an objective argument.

Also, I think they both have the same amount of polish. R&C basically got the Pixar movie treatment. It's the gameplay itself in which I believe SMG excels.

nice avatar..kirk4ever

If this is directed at me, thanks. :D

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="Komodog"]TL;DR you're a few months late.Komodog

I don't see any reason why I can't bring this back up.

I really want to know the logic behind thinking R&C is better. I've seen people make this claim and I don't see the logic behind it, so I'm asking.

you're asking for logic on system wars?

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

but yes, SMG is better by a mile.

If there's an argument for R&C, I'm sure somebody will atleast attempt to make it.

And yes, I have my flame shield ready.

Well, like R&C better cuz it's funner to me. I just like it better. What you post is your opinion so Blog it. Opinions, everybody has them. oh, and they're two different kinds of games. Can't compare!

I had to do it dude:p

the_one34

:lol:

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

I'll agree that Galaxy's more inventive and polished. But, personally, I enjoyed Ratchet and Clank better.

Oh, and as you can see from my sig, I'm a fan of both.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Yes. I am too.

And I can understand how somebody could like the shooting action and the gadgets better than the puzzles and pitfalls, but I'm sort of looking for an objective argument.

Also, I think they both have the same amount of polish. R&C basically got the Pixar movie treatment. It's the gameplay itself in which I believe SMG excels.

"And I can understand how somebody could like the shooting action and the gadgets better than the puzzles and pitfalls,"

Well that's basically what it comes down to for me. I also appreciate Ratchet and Clank's excellent voice acting, dialogue, and humor. Not to mention it looks simply fantastic on my HDTV.

Some people just prefer Ratchet over Mario? Its all a matter of prefrence really.Broman6015

Yes, I know that.

But objective cases can be made for games as well as movies and literature.

I'm not trying to change anybody's opinion here, I'm just trying to have an in-depth discussion about the two games. Too much of the dialogue that goes on here is "I just like it better."

What fun is that?

There's no reason why we can't compare the games in an analytical fashion.

I don't think a single person would disagree with you. Super Mario Galaxy redefined the genre.

But no need to poop on tried and true perfected gameplay like Ratchet and Clank. It excels in always providing enough variety and story to keep things fun and interesting. I would say SMG could learn a thing or two from Ratchet and Clanks superb storytelling aspects.

I don't think a single person would disagree with you. Super Mario Galaxy redefined the genre.

But no need to poop on tried and true perfected gameplay like Ratchet and Clank. It excels in always providing enough variety and story to keep things fun and interesting. I would say SMG could learn a thing or two from Ratchet and Clanks superb storytelling aspects.

Bread_or_Decide

I'm not at all trying to bash R&C. As I said, I'm a fan of the game. I'm just sort of dissapointed that it hasn't evolved over its numerous sequels. It's almost too much of a good thing.

I believe Insomniac should set their goals higher. Ironically, the "it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality is what I can't stand about modern day Nintendo, but in the case of SMG, the creators decided to go beyond that mindset, whereas Insomniac continues to play it safe.

Also, I wouldn't like for Mario to take the Ratchet & Clank storytelling route. I believe it would dilute the experience.

Ratchet's storytelling is an aspect unique to it and the Jak series and it fits best there. That kind of storytelling wouldn't feel right in a Mario game.

TC, we didn't need you to tell us that Super Mario Galaxy is better than Ratchet & Clank: ToD. majadamus

Well...maybe I'm beating this dead horse simply because I'm so pumped up for SMG (the only game I'm more excited for is GTA IV). But I think this thread is going fairly well.

I think it's an accomplishment in itself that this game is the reason I'm going to shell out money for a console I dislike.

They are both awesome games.

BUT, Galaxy IS better.

/thread

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

I don't think a single person would disagree with you. Super Mario Galaxy redefined the genre.

But no need to poop on tried and true perfected gameplay like Ratchet and Clank. It excels in always providing enough variety and story to keep things fun and interesting. I would say SMG could learn a thing or two from Ratchet and Clanks superb storytelling aspects.

Tragic_Kingdom7

I'm not at all trying to bash R&C. As I said, I'm a fan of the game. I'm just sort of dissapointed that it hasn't evolved over its numerous sequels. It's almost too much of a good thing.

I believe Insomniac should set their goals higher. Ironically, the "it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality is what I can't stand about modern day Nintendo, but in the case of SMG, the creators decided to go beyond that mindset, whereas Insomniac continues to play it safe.

Also, I wouldn't like for Mario to take the Ratchet & Clank storytelling route. I believe it would dilute the experience.

Ratchet's storytelling is an aspect unique to it and the Jak series and it fits best there. That kind of storytelling wouldn't feel right in a Mario game.

With Mario Galaxy's critical acclaim and numerous Games of the Year awards. You've already won your argument friend.

But I don't mind bringing up SMG whenever the chance arises. I'm 15 stars away from completing the game with Luigi. Its been a crazy ride. It'll be a relief....if a bit sad...to say goodbye to already one of the greatest games this gen will offer.

...to satisfy a craving I have had for Super Mario Galaxy until I can put aside some money for a Wii (yes, I will buy a Wii-a system that I dislike-just for SMG), I recently watched GameSpot's Super Mario Galaxy marathon, in which they played a pretty good chunk of the game live. So even though I have not played the game, I have a very good idea of how it plays, what it's level design is like, what it looks like, etc.

Tragic_Kingdom7

That underlined part speaks volumes.

If you had, you would have realized, very quickly, that they are not really of the same genre. SMG is a pure platformer. R&C is much more a Third-Person action/shooter than a platformer. Sure, it has platforming, but the core of the game is the weapons and the enemies that you take down with those weapons.

R&C really, from a person who has played both SMG and R&C, has more in common with Uncharted or Tomb Raider than SMG. That is one of the reasons I feel comparing the two is rather unfair to both.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

I don't think a single person would disagree with you. Super Mario Galaxy redefined the genre.

But no need to poop on tried and true perfected gameplay like Ratchet and Clank. It excels in always providing enough variety and story to keep things fun and interesting. I would say SMG could learn a thing or two from Ratchet and Clanks superb storytelling aspects.

Bread_or_Decide

I'm not at all trying to bash R&C. As I said, I'm a fan of the game. I'm just sort of dissapointed that it hasn't evolved over its numerous sequels. It's almost too much of a good thing.

I believe Insomniac should set their goals higher. Ironically, the "it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality is what I can't stand about modern day Nintendo, but in the case of SMG, the creators decided to go beyond that mindset, whereas Insomniac continues to play it safe.

Also, I wouldn't like for Mario to take the Ratchet & Clank storytelling route. I believe it would dilute the experience.

Ratchet's storytelling is an aspect unique to it and the Jak series and it fits best there. That kind of storytelling wouldn't feel right in a Mario game.

With Mario Galaxy's critical acclaim and numerous Games of the Year awards. You've already won your argument friend.

But I don't mind bringing up SMG whenever the chance arises. I'm 15 stars away from completing the game with Luigi. Its been a crazy ride. It'll be a relief....if a bit sad...to say goodbye to already one of the greatest games this gen will offer.

Yeah. The game looks so amazing I can see how it would invoke those sort of feelings. It's one of the only games I can just sit there for hours and watch on my computer.

That's why I'm sort of glad I'm arriving late to the party. The game is something to look forward to and it gives me an excuse to purchase a secondary system, which I've never done before (I've always stuck with one. I owned all 3 consoles last gen, but never at the same time). I'll have my summer set for me with GTA IV, MGS4 and Mario.

as long as you're buying a Wii either way isn't it good to look for other Wii games?

SMG is the best game ive played in years...amazing game from start to finish

r&c isnt anything special

I enjoyed R&C more since I enjoyed the story,humor and characters. MG is a fun game,but I bord with it quick. Also even though I may be flamed for this. I actually had more of a fun time with Super paper mario on wii then with galaxy.finalfantasy94

:P

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

...to satisfy a craving I have had for Super Mario Galaxy until I can put aside some money for a Wii (yes, I will buy a Wii-a system that I dislike-just for SMG), I recently watched GameSpot's Super Mario Galaxy marathon, in which they played a pretty good chunk of the game live. So even though I have not played the game, I have a very good idea of how it plays, what it's level design is like, what it looks like, etc.

SpruceCaboose

That underlined part speaks volumes.

If you had, you would have realized, very quickly, that they are not really of the same genre. SMG is a pure platformer. R&C is much more a Third-Person action/shooter than a platformer. Sure, it has platforming, but the core of the game is the weapons and the enemies that you take down with those weapons.

R&C really, from a person who has played both SMG and R&C, has more in common with Uncharted or Tomb Raider than SMG. That is one of the reasons I feel comparing the two is rather unfair to both.

Apparently you didn't read the opening post. I made it clear that I've watched several hours of the game. I didn't just watch little "peices". I watched it seamlessly for about three hours.

I know exactly how it plays. If you don't agree with the points I made, address them specifically. I believe the points I made makes it clear I know how both games play.

I own and beat R&C and Uncharted and I know for a fact that those two games are far more disimilar than Ratchet and Mario. To say otherwise is ridiculous IMO.

The fact that you would compare R&C to Tomb Raider is downright laughable. Tomb Raider is an exploration game, R&C is a shoot 'em up platformer. Distinct difference.

Yeah. The game looks so amazing I can see how it would invoke those sort of feelings. It's one of the only games I can just sit there for hours and watch on my computer.

That's why I'm sort of glad I'm arriving late to the party. The game is something to look forward to and it gives me an excuse to purchase a secondary system, which I've never done before (I've always stuck with one. I owned all 3 consoles last gen, but never at the same time). I'll have my summer set for me with GTA IV, MGS4 and Mario.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Treasure your first space flight to the first galaxy. Nothing else quite like it.

as long as you're buying a Wii either way isn't it good to look for other Wii games?

nintendo-4life

I'll check out Nights, which looks eyecatching.

But as I've played enough Metroid Prime, Zelda and Smash Bros. on Gamecube, I don't really want to tread those paths again.

Perhaps I'll try No More Heroes too.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]I enjoyed R&C more since I enjoyed the story,humor and characters. MG is a fun game,but I bord with it quick. Also even though I may be flamed for this. I actually had more of a fun time with Super paper mario on wii then with galaxy.nintendo-4life

:P

Was it the super paper mario part? The reason I enjoyed more was because it had a good and funny story. The characters were also zany and cool. It shows mario has a personality since he actually speaks in the game. The gameplay was also fun.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Yeah. The game looks so amazing I can see how it would invoke those sort of feelings. It's one of the only games I can just sit there for hours and watch on my computer.

That's why I'm sort of glad I'm arriving late to the party. The game is something to look forward to and it gives me an excuse to purchase a secondary system, which I've never done before (I've always stuck with one. I owned all 3 consoles last gen, but never at the same time). I'll have my summer set for me with GTA IV, MGS4 and Mario.

Bread_or_Decide

Treasure your first space flight to the first galaxy. Nothing else quite like it.

I've actually seen several hours of the game all ready online, but I'm sure the experience will be 100000x better on my own TV when I'm actually holding the controller.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]I enjoyed R&C more since I enjoyed the story,humor and characters. MG is a fun game,but I bord with it quick. Also even though I may be flamed for this. I actually had more of a fun time with Super paper mario on wii then with galaxy.finalfantasy94

:P

Was it the super paper mario part? The reason I enjoyed more was because it had a good and funny story. The characters were also zany and cool. It shows mario has a personality since he actually speaks in the game. The gameplay was also fun.

oh and yeah it's the super paper mario part :P

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

...to satisfy a craving I have had for Super Mario Galaxy until I can put aside some money for a Wii (yes, I will buy a Wii-a system that I dislike-just for SMG), I recently watched GameSpot's Super Mario Galaxy marathon, in which they played a pretty good chunk of the game live. So even though I have not played the game, I have a very good idea of how it plays, what it's level design is like, what it looks like, etc.

Tragic_Kingdom7

That underlined part speaks volumes.

If you had, you would have realized, very quickly, that they are not really of the same genre. SMG is a pure platformer. R&C is much more a Third-Person action/shooter than a platformer. Sure, it has platforming, but the core of the game is the weapons and the enemies that you take down with those weapons.

R&C really, from a person who has played both SMG and R&C, has more in common with Uncharted or Tomb Raider than SMG. That is one of the reasons I feel comparing the two is rather unfair to both.

Apparently you didn't read the opening post. I made it clear that I've watched several hours of the game. I didn't just watch little "peices". I watched it seamlessly for about three hours.

I know exactly how it plays. If you don't agree with the points I made, address them specifically. I believe the points I made makes it clear I know how both games play.

I own and beat R&C and Uncharted and I know for a fact that those two games are far more disimilar than Ratchet and Mario. To say otherwise is ridiculous IMO.

The fact that you would compare R&C to Tomb Raider is downright laughable. Tomb Raider is an exploration game, R&C is a shoot 'em up platformer. Distinct difference.

First of, you could watch the whole game. Watching a game is miles away from playing a game. Seriously. And that is what makes gaming different than watching TV. The interaction and control is what makes gaming gaming.

When you play SMG, you remember levels or challenging jumps. I know I think back to the 2D segments because I loved them.

When you play R&C, you remember the enemies and the weapons. The jumps are tacked on there. That is a huge reason I would not consider R&C to be a platformer in the pure sense of the word. It is more akin to an action/shooter game with platforming elements to me.

Can you remember more than a few jump sequences in R&C? I know I remember the story, the Pirates, and the guns, especially the multi-missile gun, much more than any platforming.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]I enjoyed R&C more since I enjoyed the story,humor and characters. MG is a fun game,but I bord with it quick. Also even though I may be flamed for this. I actually had more of a fun time with Super paper mario on wii then with galaxy.nintendo-4life

:P

Was it the super paper mario part? The reason I enjoyed more was because it had a good and funny story. The characters were also zany and cool. It shows mario has a personality since he actually speaks in the game. The gameplay was also fun.

oh and yeah it's the super paper mario part :P

I bought galaxy,but it just didint do anything for me. It made me feel like a kid again in a good way. After like 2 boss fights I just wasint feeling it anymore. Ill proboly play it again sometimes down the line,but thats a while from now.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]

as long as you're buying a Wii either way isn't it good to look for other Wii games?

Tragic_Kingdom7

I'll check out Nights, which looks eyecatching.

But as I've played enough Metroid Prime, Zelda and Smash Bros. on Gamecube, I don't really want to tread those paths again.

Perhaps I'll try No More Heroes too.

I still recommend getting a look into the traditional games, but whatever suits you, have a great time with galaxy :)

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Yeah. The game looks so amazing I can see how it would invoke those sort of feelings. It's one of the only games I can just sit there for hours and watch on my computer.

That's why I'm sort of glad I'm arriving late to the party. The game is something to look forward to and it gives me an excuse to purchase a secondary system, which I've never done before (I've always stuck with one. I owned all 3 consoles last gen, but never at the same time). I'll have my summer set for me with GTA IV, MGS4 and Mario.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Treasure your first space flight to the first galaxy. Nothing else quite like it.

I've actually seen several hours of the game all ready online, but I'm sure the experience will be 100000x better on my own TV when I'm actually holding the controller.

Nights, No More Heroes...tired of Metroid and Zeld haha. You sound like me. We seem to have the same taste for the more creative/weird/unique side of gaming.

Trust me thats really where the Wii shines, at least for me. NiGHTS, when seen as a whole, is a gem. It may be dogged down by some awful platforming levels and a few frustratingly ambiguous boss fights but when your soaring through rings in those well designed levels all that dissipates as you find the true soul of the game lies in those flying levels.

I've got No More Heroes waiting for me on the shelf when I'm done with Mario and NiGHTS. As one who admired Killer 7, even though the gameplay was caca, I know I'm in for a special treat.

Ah yes..gaming as it should be. As an artform.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

...to satisfy a craving I have had for Super Mario Galaxy until I can put aside some money for a Wii (yes, I will buy a Wii-a system that I dislike-just for SMG), I recently watched GameSpot's Super Mario Galaxy marathon, in which they played a pretty good chunk of the game live. So even though I have not played the game, I have a very good idea of how it plays, what it's level design is like, what it looks like, etc.

SpruceCaboose

That underlined part speaks volumes.

If you had, you would have realized, very quickly, that they are not really of the same genre. SMG is a pure platformer. R&C is much more a Third-Person action/shooter than a platformer. Sure, it has platforming, but the core of the game is the weapons and the enemies that you take down with those weapons.

R&C really, from a person who has played both SMG and R&C, has more in common with Uncharted or Tomb Raider than SMG. That is one of the reasons I feel comparing the two is rather unfair to both.

Apparently you didn't read the opening post. I made it clear that I've watched several hours of the game. I didn't just watch little "peices". I watched it seamlessly for about three hours.

I know exactly how it plays. If you don't agree with the points I made, address them specifically. I believe the points I made makes it clear I know how both games play.

I own and beat R&C and Uncharted and I know for a fact that those two games are far more disimilar than Ratchet and Mario. To say otherwise is ridiculous IMO.

The fact that you would compare R&C to Tomb Raider is downright laughable. Tomb Raider is an exploration game, R&C is a shoot 'em up platformer. Distinct difference.

First of, you could watch the whole game. Watching a game is miles away from playing a game. Seriously. And that is what makes gaming different than watching TV. The interaction and control is what makes gaming gaming.

When you play SMG, you remember levels or challenging jumps. I know I think back to the 2D segments because I loved them.

When you play R&C, you remember the enemies and the weapons. The jumps are tacked on there. That is a huge reason I would not consider R&C to be a platformer in the pure sense of the word. It is more akin to an action/shooter game with platforming elements to me.

Can you remember more than a few jump sequences in R&C? I know I remember the story, the Pirates, and the guns, especially the multi-missile gun, much more than any platforming.

I seriously don't think it matters that I didn't have the controller in hand. I have eyes and a brain. I can see the level design, and the gameplay structure, which is what really matters. I really don't see how I can sit there and watch this game for an extended period of time and not know how it plays.

Ratchet and Clank had its fair share of platforming. After all, you did have a sling shot, didn't you? And charge boots? Propeller? Those are all gadgets designed for platforming.

SMG and R&C are both platformers with different mechanics. I am making the argument that SMG's mechanics are better.

I actually think the first Ratchet game was almost (key word is almost) as important for platforming as SMG. I thought the first Ratchet game murdered Super Mario Sunshine for the Gamecube.

Now, however, the formula is feeling repetitive and somewhat dated. R&C needs a reinvention.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Yeah. The game looks so amazing I can see how it would invoke those sort of feelings. It's one of the only games I can just sit there for hours and watch on my computer.

That's why I'm sort of glad I'm arriving late to the party. The game is something to look forward to and it gives me an excuse to purchase a secondary system, which I've never done before (I've always stuck with one. I owned all 3 consoles last gen, but never at the same time). I'll have my summer set for me with GTA IV, MGS4 and Mario.

Bread_or_Decide

Treasure your first space flight to the first galaxy. Nothing else quite like it.

I've actually seen several hours of the game all ready online, but I'm sure the experience will be 100000x better on my own TV when I'm actually holding the controller.

Nights, No More Heroes...tired of Metroid and Zeld haha. You sound like me. We seem to have the same taste for the more creative/weird/unique side of gaming.

Trust me thats really where the Wii shines, at least for me. NiGHTS, when seen as a whole, is a gem. It may be dogged down by some awful platforming levels and a few frustratingly ambiguous boss fights but when your soaring through rings in those well designed levels all that dissipates as you find the true soul of the game lies in those flying levels.

I've got No More Heroes waiting for me on the shelf when I'm done with Mario and NiGHTS. As one who admired Killer 7, even though the gameplay was caca, I know I'm in for a special treat.

Ah yes..gaming as it should be. As an artform.

I agree completely. I mean, I enjoy Call of Duty 4 just like everyone else, but I'm really getting tired of those kind of games. FPS's are weakening the industry IMO. We really do need artistic games. That's why I'm really looking forward to Little Big Planet for the PS3.

As far as Nights is concerned, it is those vibrant, ethereal worlds that I'm drawn too. Ever since that Nights section of the Casino level on Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast, I've wanted play Nights. I missed out on the Saturn version, so this Wii version seems like a logical choice.

No More Heroes seems interesting because of the art style and it has a cult following, so that's intriguing. Games like ICO and Shadow of the Colosuss had cult followings and I though they were excellent, so maybe this will turn out the same way.

I do want to give the Wii a chance. I've just been dissapointed with what it has offered thus far. If Nintendo could continue making games like SMG instead of safe rehashes, I will be sold completely.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]

as long as you're buying a Wii either way isn't it good to look for other Wii games?

nintendo-4life

I'll check out Nights, which looks eyecatching.

But as I've played enough Metroid Prime, Zelda and Smash Bros. on Gamecube, I don't really want to tread those paths again.

Perhaps I'll try No More Heroes too.

I still recommend getting a look into the traditional games, but whatever suits you, have a great time with galaxy :)

You can bet I will stay away from ports.

I plan on the Wii being my secondary machine, so I'll play more obscure/quirky titles on it and I'll have my PS3 for all the mainstream stuff (like GTA and MGS).

I've all ready played Twilight Princess of the Gamecube, so I'm probably not going to buy that one, but maybe I'll give the other Nintendo staples a try later. I'm just not too interested in them right now.

I'm sure Galaxy will keep me busy for a long time.

Ratchet is my friend! How dare you! Ratchet is the game for me.

Nobody...NOBODY can change my mind.

I think Ratchet and Clank had a deeper experince... the Mario franchise plot could use a face lift.

As for platforming, SMG has R&C by a mile. Mario is a great platformer.

At the end of the day, I think they're too different to compare. I mean, you take away the cartoony feel from Ratchet, I dont think anybody would be comparing these two games. I mean, Uncharted has platforming sequences, but no one compares it to SMG.

Ratchet is my friend! How dare you! Ratchet is the game for me.

Nobody...NOBODY can change my mind.

Rikusaki

:lol:

I'm looking to be friends with Mario, Ratchet, and even Sonic (whose games I used to adore before they started sucking).

I'm confident that Sonic Unleashed will be good. Not Mario good. Not Ratchet good. But good nonetheless.

I think Ratchet and Clank had a deeper experince... the Mario franchise plot could use a face lift.

As for platforming, SMG has R&C by a mile. Mario is a great platformer.

At the end of the day, I think they're too different to compare. I mean, you take away the cartoony feel from Ratchet, I dont think anybody would be comparing these two games. I mean, Uncharted has platforming sequences, but no one compares it to SMG.

carljohnson3456

Uncharted is a whole different beast though. It is more a pitfall/Tomb Raider/Gears of War combo.

R&C and SMG share alot more in common than Uncharted does with either IMO.

Also, I don't really hesitate to compare games with eachother.

I mean, I'd be perfectly happy to compare GTA and MGS despite them being polar opposites (For the record, I think GTA is way better, but I won't get into that). I'm just kind of going off what gameplay mechanics I think work better.

R&C and SMG are different flavors of platforming, but they're not polar opposites.

I think Ratchet and Clank had a deeper experince... the Mario franchise plot could use a face lift.

As for platforming, SMG has R&C by a mile. Mario is a great platformer.

At the end of the day, I think they're too different to compare. I mean, you take away the cartoony feel from Ratchet, I dont think anybody would be comparing these two games. I mean, Uncharted has platforming sequences, but no one compares it to SMG.

carljohnson3456

Yeah I like the story. And I like seeing Ratchets hawt face during the cut-scenes!

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I think Ratchet and Clank had a deeper experince... the Mario franchise plot could use a face lift.

As for platforming, SMG has R&C by a mile. Mario is a great platformer.

At the end of the day, I think they're too different to compare. I mean, you take away the cartoony feel from Ratchet, I dont think anybody would be comparing these two games. I mean, Uncharted has platforming sequences, but no one compares it to SMG.

Rikusaki

Yeah I like the story. And I like seeing Ratchets hawt face during the cut-scenes!

Um....:?....never mind...