super mario galaxy; goty for all the wrong reasons

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

In advance, sorry to any future unreplied arguments, but arguing the philosphy of fun isn't what I came here for, and that's what it's turning into.

I think you can say what you like, that mario is not any more fun than a beer and a board game, but your lack support for such an argumetn. I'll see if you can raise some when I get back, but atm in the idea of measurable fun which you seem to believe impossible while on a gaming forum arguing scores made based on the idea of measuring fun, I think I would have more fun watching my bro paly chibi robo than listening to this headache enducing twisted logic that no game designer should ever make a game around..

In short, be back later.

Vandalvideo

I hate to be the one who breaks this to you but the main purpose of video games is entertainment, in other words having fun. Yes quite insane I know but its the truth, engrossing stories interesting dialouge and philosophical question can all be found in books, it seems to me that you would be better off reading Dostoyevsky than playing Video Games. Fun is subjective but it can be compared, for example, I have more fun playing Mario Galaxy than I have playing Plinko, that is why I pay 50$ for it. That is whay I pay for Video Games, to have fun. If you simply don't want to have fun I suggest you drop 10$ and go buy yourself a decent novel it will satisfy your needs and would stop this silly arguement.

I hate to be the one who breaks this to you but the main purpose of video games is entertainment, in other words having fun. Yes quite insane I know but its the truth, engrossing stories interesting dialouge and philosophical question can all be found in books, it seems to me that you would be better off reading Dostoyevsky than playing Video Games. Fun is subjective but it can be compared, for example, I have more fun playing Mario Galaxy than I have playing Plinko, that is why I pay 50$ for it. That is whay I pay for Video Games, to have fun. If you simply don't want to have fun I suggest you drop 10$ and go buy yourself a decent novel it will satisfy your needs and would stop this silly arguement. barabadwan

SMG won GOTY here? cool.

[QUOTE="barabadwan"]I hate to be the one who breaks this to you but the main purpose of video games is entertainment, in other words having fun. Yes quite insane I know but its the truth, engrossing stories interesting dialouge and philosophical question can all be found in books, it seems to me that you would be better off reading Dostoyevsky than playing Video Games. Fun is subjective but it can be compared, for example, I have more fun playing Mario Galaxy than I have playing Plinko, that is why I pay 50$ for it. That is whay I pay for Video Games, to have fun. If you simply don't want to have fun I suggest you drop 10$ and go buy yourself a decent novel it will satisfy your needs and would stop this silly arguement. Vandalvideo

Why should I pay 50$ for a video game with story when I can pay 10$ for a novel which would have a much deeper story? If that is the only aspect in Video Games you care about.

Why should I pay 50$ for a video game with story when I can pay 10$ for a novel which would have a much deeper story? If that is the only aspect in Video Games you care about. barabadwan

[QUOTE="barabadwan"]Why should I pay 50$ for a video game with story when I can pay 10$ for a novel which would have a much deeper story? If that is the only aspect in Video Games you care about. Vandalvideo

ok fine listen I understand what you're saying, my favourite genre is Adventure games so deep stories matter to me, but when you look at the video games as a whole they don't rely on story lines soley to be successful. Some of the best games have shallow storylines (e.g Zelda) but that doesn't make them any less acclaimed the reason being they deliver the main purpose of the video game medium which is entertainment. Games such as Zelda and Mario entertain us through gameplay while games such as Monkey Island and Grim Fandango entertain us through storylines. When a game has both thats wonderful but the fact that a game is focuse on one aspect doesn't detract from its merit. In the end, if you wish to play games that only have deep stories you're going to miss out on some of the masterpieces of gaming. But to each his own.

This is one of the best games on the Wii console.

1.The graphics look great in spite of the wii not being very technically powerful, the art direction is great, the edges and lines are Anti Aliased, and the colors are vibrant. The models are fluent and animated well. The camera is average, and sometimes doesn't zoom in enough, but that is a total nitpick.

2.The Sound is fitting to levels, and isn't repetitive or recycled. It is just the right volume that you can hear everything. The voice acting..... Well, there is a total of maybe 20 lines in the whole game, so it really doesn't matter.

3.The Game play is great. I don't really like platformers, but even I loved this. It's always clear what you are supposed to do. The levels are quick, like 4 to 5 minutes maybe, so you'll constantly be exploring new areas and planets. The addition of starbits a welcome addition, and allow you to stun enemies, or pay "Tolls' to in game characters.

4. The controls work great, and feel like they were built from the ground up to take advantage of the motion sensing, which is breath of fresh air as opposed to the 100's of bad ports. They are very reliable, and make sense, and are easy to execute.

5. The story isn't great, but in all honesty , it doesn't need story. The princess got kidnapped. again. go save her. good enough.

It's really just a symbol of the wii: Innovative, Different, bright, easy to use, and fun.

I've already established that fun is entirely subjective in all its capacity and you CAN NOT measure fun. its as simple as that.

Vandalvideo

Sex = Fun

I don't know about you but the amount of fun in sex can and will always be measured.

Its a simple as that.

:P

:lol: the damage control is priceless!

face it guys- mario galaxy is 2007's GOTY

not COD4, not Bioshock, not Crysis, not Halo 3, not Mass Effect, not Uncharted (rofl).....

mario galaxy

now go ahead and cry about it some more guys

Delicious damage control

you must eat it

om nom nom nom nom nom

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="barabadwan"]Why should I pay 50$ for a video game with story when I can pay 10$ for a novel which would have a much deeper story? If that is the only aspect in Video Games you care about. barabadwan

ok fine listen I understand what you're saying, my favourite genre is Adventure games so deep stories matter to me, but when you look at the video games as a whole they don't rely on story lines soley to be successful. Some of the best games have shallow storylines (e.g Zelda) but that doesn't make them any less acclaimed the reason being they deliver the main purpose of the video game medium which is entertainment. Games such as Zelda and Mario entertain us through gameplay while games such as Monkey Island and Grim Fandango entertain us through storylines. When a game has both thats wonderful but the fact that a game is focuse on one aspect doesn't detract from its merit. In the end, if you wish to play games that only have deep stories you're going to miss out on some of the masterpieces of gaming. But to each his own.

From this day forward, I will respond to Wii hating threads with four letters. "GOTY."

Every Halo idiot did it when they overrated that piece of junk by typing in "9.5."

From this day forward, I will respond to Wii hating threads with four letters. "GOTY."

Every Halo idiot did it when they overrated that piece of junk by typing in "9.5."

bretthorror

lol good idea

*flashes mario galaxy GOTY championship belt*

[QUOTE="bretthorror"]

From this day forward, I will respond to Wii hating threads with four letters. "GOTY."

Every Halo idiot did it when they overrated that piece of junk by typing in "9.5."

JB730

lol good idea

*flashes mario galaxy GOTY championship belt*

God, I wish I had the skills to make that. It'd be so awesome.

[QUOTE="barabadwan"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="barabadwan"]Why should I pay 50$ for a video game with story when I can pay 10$ for a novel which would have a much deeper story? If that is the only aspect in Video Games you care about. Vandalvideo

ok fine listen I understand what you're saying, my favourite genre is Adventure games so deep stories matter to me, but when you look at the video games as a whole they don't rely on story lines soley to be successful. Some of the best games have shallow storylines (e.g Zelda) but that doesn't make them any less acclaimed the reason being they deliver the main purpose of the video game medium which is entertainment. Games such as Zelda and Mario entertain us through gameplay while games such as Monkey Island and Grim Fandango entertain us through storylines. When a game has both thats wonderful but the fact that a game is focuse on one aspect doesn't detract from its merit. In the end, if you wish to play games that only have deep stories you're going to miss out on some of the masterpieces of gaming. But to each his own.

You know what, buy Plinko get drunk and have the time of you life. there is no point arguing with you if you're just going to jump over all the points I mention and just keep repeating yourself.

Back, and vandi ol' boy, I said you should raise some support for your argument, and you did not. Shall we drop this now? kittykatz5k

From this day forward, I will respond to Wii hating threads with four letters. "GOTY."

Every Halo idiot did it when they overrated that piece of junk by typing in "9.5."

bretthorror

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Back, and vandi ol' boy, I said you should raise some support for your argument, and you did not. Shall we drop this now? Vandalvideo

Oh but it does, vandi, it does. We can never have just 1 guy say he wins an argument or everyone would just say they've won the argument and systemwars would be over out of pure ignorance. Everyone here is a spectator, and I've turned more to my side then you have to yours. My side grows strong, and that 1 guy who might support you but hasn't joined the argument at all is looking rather flimsy.

It doesn't change your argument, even though if you know what's good for you it should, but it should be a pretty clear sign of who's winning. Remember when I said I had the upper hand? You took the idea of fun far to scientifically and began babbling nonsense that does not represent the human mind at all.

what i mean is that its pretty plain to see how much smg pales in comparison to the atmosphere of bioshock and assassin's creed. it has no multiplayer capability which even if it did, would be obliterated by halo 3 and cod4. its on a console that prohibits high resolution detail.

The fact that you compare a platformer with shooters its enough proof that you have no idea of what are you talking about.

Nintendo games rarely have technical issues? Where have you been? People have found bugs where you can beat Super Mario 64 in about an hour. The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess had a bug where you could get stuck in a room(Nitendo went as far as giving replacement discs for it) and Ocarina of Time had a similar glitch in the Water temple. And Super Mario Sunshine had tons of glitches(just look it up on youtube, you'll find plenty of stuff). Pokemon Red, Blue, Yellow,Gold, Silver and Crystal allhad a pokemon clonig glitches and Red and Blue had a glitch that could corrupt your save data. The list goes on and on.

Nostalgia should not be a factor in why a game should recieve GOY. and niether should subject material(Reason why Gears won last year. Not because of how violent it was, but how fun it was).

Galaxy does not represent what all Nintendo games are. There are alot of buggy Nintendo games, not all of them relly on Nostalgia(and they never really should) and there are some that are quite violent. Galaxy is good because it is a highly refined platformer.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Back, and vandi ol' boy, I said you should raise some support for your argument, and you did not. Shall we drop this now? Vandalvideo

So basically, eventhough everyone disagreed with you you still consider yourself the winner? good for you

Oh but it does, vandi, it does. We can never have just 1 guy say he wins an argument or everyone would just say they've won the argument and systemwars would be over out of pure ignorance. Everyone here is a spectator, and I've turned more to my side then you have to yours. My side grows strong, and that 1 guy who might support you but hasn't joined the argument at all is looking rather flimsy.It doesn't change your argument, even though if you know what's good for you it should, but it should be a pretty clear sign of who's winning. Remember when I said I had the upper hand? You took the idea of fun far to scientifically and began babbling nonsense that does not represent the human mind at all.kittykatz5k

Mr. vandi, you once again jump and say something stupid. Mario is mindless fun? Have you ignored my argument all this time? And YES, influence does have a large impact on system wars. We fight in an argument for influence.

Once again, I state the way your oddball mind is working. Fun either equals 1 or 0, and once fun equals 1, the fun EXPIRIENCE gets filled with story elements and such. It makes not a lick of sense and you leave any highschool psych teacher shaking their head in shame.

Mr. vandi, you once again jump and say something stupid. Mario is mindless fun? Have you ignored my argument all this time? And YES, influence does have a large impact on system wars. We fight in an argument for influence.

Once again, I state the way your oddball mind is working. Fun either equals 1 or 0, and once fun equals 1, the fun EXPIRIENCE gets filled with story elements and such. It makes not a lick of sense and you leave any highschool psych teacher shaking their head in shame.

kittykatz5k

C) I think that games should offer more than just mindless funVandalvideo

I'm sorry, what was that last ocmment you said?

Just because you didn't directly say it doesn't mean you never said it. Learn that mr. vandi. It's important to how you word everything.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]C) I think that games should offer more than just mindless funkittykatz5k

I'm sorry, what was that last ocmment you said?

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]C) I think that games should offer more than just mindless funVandalvideo

I'm sorry, what was that last ocmment you said?

Anyone still in this thread, isn't it blatently obvious he just called mario galaxy a mindless game?

Mr. Vandi, just because you didn't word something exactly how I put it doesn't mean you never said it. Wording is everything here, you never change the topic off of mario galaxy bashing when you said that.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]C) I think that games should offer more than just mindless funkittykatz5k

I'm sorry, what was that last ocmment you said?

Anyone still in this thread, isn't it blatently obvious he just called mario galaxy a mindless game?

Mr. Vandi, just because you didn't word something exactly how I put it doesn't mean you never said it. Wording is everything here, you never change the topic off of mario galaxy bashing when you said that.

The fact that you compare a platformer with shooters its enough proof that you have no idea of what are you talking about.

neonvzla

you make no sense. you are saying a platformer can't have graphics like halo or cod4 or gears of war. gears was in fact compared to a platformer, but where you jump from cover to cover instead of on top of blocks or across chasms. we are talking about goty, not best platformer, and not best fps. so if you're telling me that the two genres cant be compared, then how can you objectively name a goty..

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]C) I think that games should offer more than just mindless funVandalvideo

I'm sorry, what was that last ocmment you said?

Anyone still in this thread, isn't it blatently obvious he just called mario galaxy a mindless game?

Mr. Vandi, just because you didn't word something exactly how I put it doesn't mean you never said it. Wording is everything here, you never change the topic off of mario galaxy bashing when you said that.

Maybe a black hole opened up and lead me 20 post back to argument B-2 so I could totally tell you didn't just say mario galaxy was mindless in point C, or maybe you're just using stupid loopholes that make no esne to avoid a stupid statement.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]C) I think that games should offer more than just mindless funkittykatz5k

I'm sorry, what was that last ocmment you said?

Anyone still in this thread, isn't it blatently obvious he just called mario galaxy a mindless game?

Mr. Vandi, just because you didn't word something exactly how I put it doesn't mean you never said it. Wording is everything here, you never change the topic off of mario galaxy bashing when you said that.

yup it was obvious he was reffering to mario galaxy

why else would he bring that argument up?

vandi's running around in all sorts of loops, his arguments are all over the place.....all together he's just a mess right now

yup it was obvious he was reffering to mario galaxy

why else would he bring that argument up?

vandi's running around in all sorts of loops, his arguments are all over the place.....all together he's just a mess right now

JB730

regardless of which games he was referring to, i'd have to agree that mario is pretty mindless. you are jumping around space with a wiimote for no good reason and with no logic. i'd say that's pretty mindless in my book. i'd also say there's nothing wrong with it if you are having fun.

but this all goes back to the original point of my thread, which after 10 pages i can see has been completely missed.

yup it was obvious he was reffering to mario galaxywhy else would he bring that argument up?vandi's running around in all sorts of loops, his arguments are all over the place.....all together he's just a mess right nowJB730

regardless of which games he was referring to, i'd have to agree that mario is pretty mindless. you are jumping around space with a wiimote for no good reason and with no logic. i'd say that's pretty mindless in my book. i'd also say there's nothing wrong with it if you are having fun.

but this all goes back to the original point of my thread, which after 10 pages i can see has been completely missed.

JohnGerstmann

What he's refering to is mindless fun, not mindless story. The gameplay is extremely well thought out. Pacing is near perfect minus the beginning,and the level design offers manywell thought out puzzles.