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if ios and android are gaming system

then a calculator is.

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if ios and android are gaming system

then a calculator is.

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okay...
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As far as gaming specifically is concerned, I really do think iOS has the advantage. Almost every game works on every iPhone 3GS, 4, and 4S. Hundreds of thousands of games available for all three models. That can't be said of any Android phone. Add to that the fact that iOS is going to be the lead platform in almost every case and you have yourself the best mobile device for gaming (that isn't a dedicated gaming device, settle down).

So for gaming, Apple wins. Strange to see, I know, lol.
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As far as gaming specifically is concerned, I really do think iOS has the advantage. Almost every game works on every iPhone 3GS, 4, and 4S. Hundreds of thousands of games available for all three models. That can't be said of any Android phone. Add to that the fact that iOS is going to be the lead platform in almost every case and you have yourself the best mobile device for gaming (that isn't a dedicated gaming device, settle down).

So for gaming, Apple wins. Strange to see, I know, lol.musicalmac
Not with that tiny screen sorry!!

And does the appstore has emulators? Nope.

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iOS for original games, Android for emulation. Even though I own a droid I'm going to have to go with iOS for most of the part.
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#156 redskins26rocs
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Android ftw... I will pick open source android over that dumb ass iphone any day
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I feel it's necessary to point out that iDevices are capable of many things when broken from the constraints of Apple's well-oiled machine... So there's that... *looks the other way*
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Android ftw... I will pick open source android over that dumb ass iphone any dayredskins26rocs
lol, open source. You'll grow out of that love affair eventually. WIth age comes wisdom.
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We'll see how much longer Android is around in its current form. Apple was just granted the mother of all smartphone software patents. Interesting notes from the article:

Granted just today, the latest addition to the Cupertino-based tech giant's stable of intellectual property could be the mother of all smartphone software patents," writes Phandroid's Kevin Krause. "The effects could be swift and lethal."FORTUNE


A sobering reality for the most complimentary operating system Apple has ever had the pleasuring of being emulated by. Another take on it:

In 2007, Samsung, HTC, Google (GOOG) and all others in the industry didn't have a smartphone with the likes of Apple's iPhone features. They didn't have the solutions that Apple eloquently brought to market to make a smartphone truly smart. Apple carefully and meticulously crafted a full end-to-end smartphone solution. So when the copycats and their followers whine in public and on blogs that Apple should learn to compete instead of initiate litigation I bowl over with laughter.Jack Purcher


Reality bites.
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We'll see how much longer Android is around in its current form. Apple was just granted the mother of all smartphone software patents. Interesting notes from the article:

[quote="FORTUNE"]Granted just today, the latest addition to the Cupertino-based tech giant's stable of intellectual property could be the mother of all smartphone software patents," writes Phandroid's Kevin Krause. "The effects could be swift and lethal."musicalmac


A sobering reality for the most complimentary operating system Apple has ever had the pleasuring of being emulated by. Another take on it:

In 2007, Samsung, HTC, Google (GOOG) and all others in the industry didn't have a smartphone with the likes of Apple's iPhone features. They didn't have the solutions that Apple eloquently brought to market to make a smartphone truly smart. Apple carefully and meticulously crafted a full end-to-end smartphone solution. So when the copycats and their followers whine in public and on blogs that Apple should learn to compete instead of initiate litigation I bowl over with laughter.Jack Purcher


Reality bites.

Your apple isnt big enough to take down the whole android army, they banned the galaxy nexus and it was lifted merely days later. The UK courts have already rejected many of apple's US patents as being silly, not long before the US system wakes up from it's ridiculousness. You can keep dreaming in the meanwhile.;)

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Reality bites.musicalmac

Yup. Would be nice if corporations would compete on the strength of their products, not on their ability to take advantage of an incompetent USPTO and a broken patent system (because that is an, err, patently insane patent for the USPTO to have granted).

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Reality bites.Slow_Show

Yup. Would be nice if corporations would compete on the strength of their products, not on their ability to take advantage of an incompetent USPTO and a broken patent system (because that is an, err, patently insane patent for the USPTO to have granted).

In 2007, Samsung, HTC, Google (GOOG) and all others in the industry didn't have a smartphone with the likes of Apple's iPhone features. They didn't have the solutions that Apple eloquently brought to market to make a smartphone truly smart. Apple carefully and meticulously crafted a full end-to-end smartphone solution. So when the copycats and their followers whine in public and on blogs that Apple should learn to compete instead of initiate litigation I bowl over with laughter.Jack Purcher
lol

That was in my original post. I'm with Jack. That is reality. I know my posts frustrate you, but you should examine why. It's not because I'm wrong.
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[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Reality bites.musicalmac

Yup. Would be nice if corporations would compete on the strength of their products, not on their ability to take advantage of an incompetent USPTO and a broken patent system (because that is an, err, patently insane patent for the USPTO to have granted).

In 2007, Samsung, HTC, Google (GOOG) and all others in the industry didn't have a smartphone with the likes of Apple's iPhone features. They didn't have the solutions that Apple eloquently brought to market to make a smartphone truly smart. Apple carefully and meticulously crafted a full end-to-end smartphone solution. So when the copycats and their followers whine in public and on blogs that Apple should learn to compete instead of initiate litigation I bowl over with laughter.Jack Purcher
lol

That was in my original post. I'm with Jack. That is reality. I know my posts frustrate you, but you should examine why. It's not because I'm wrong.

Dont think you will find me in the camp that says apple cant innovate so they litigate. Its the US patent system which I blame, all businesses are inherently evil and will try to exploit whatever they can in their favour.

In the meanwhile an epic pwnage has been handed to apple.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/18/uk-judge-forces-apple-samsung-tablet-not-ipad-copy/

:lol::lol:

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I just got a smartphone (LG Optimus x2) and im loving it. android for me.

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tried both after owning several android phones and i most say after switching to iphone/IOS,android feels like a huge pile of crap..not only that the phones are so cheap made...gross.
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tried both after owning several android phones and i most say after switching to iphone/IOS,android feels like a huge pile of crap..not only that the phones are so cheap made...gross.Tessellation
I agree and I'm not even a basement dweller!
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]tried both after owning several android phones and i most say after switching to iphone/IOS,android feels like a huge pile of crap..not only that the phones are so cheap made...gross.Heil68
I agree and I'm not even a basement dweller!

good we agree at last.
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Both have their strengthsand weaknesses. I enjoy the openess of the Android platform, but goddamn does my Iphone run smooth as butter. And I've only had to reboot the thing once since I got it months ago. That said, I doubt if I would ever buy a Mac. I enjoy building my own rigs way too much.

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Both have their strengthsand weaknesses. I enjoy the openess of the Android platform, but goddamn does my Iphone run smooth as butter. And I've only had to reboot the thing once since I got it months ago. That said, I doubt if I would ever buy a Mac. I enjoy building my own rigs way too much.

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if you are into music,video edition and photography and want a OS that doesn't crash or gets viruses MACs are for you...
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Both have their strengthsand weaknesses. I enjoy the openess of the Android platform, but goddamn does my Iphone run smooth as butter. And I've only had to reboot the thing once since I got it months ago. That said, I doubt if I would ever buy a Mac. I enjoy building my own rigs way too much.

Tessellation

if you are into music,video edition and photography and want a OS that doesn't crash or gets viruses MACs are for you...

http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-quietly-quits-claiming-that-its-mac-os-x-is-virus-proof/

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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Both have their strengthsand weaknesses. I enjoy the openess of the Android platform, but goddamn does my Iphone run smooth as butter. And I've only had to reboot the thing once since I got it months ago. That said, I doubt if I would ever buy a Mac. I enjoy building my own rigs way too much.

Gambler_3

if you are into music,video edition and photography and want a OS that doesn't crash or gets viruses MACs are for you...

http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-quietly-quits-claiming-that-its-mac-os-x-is-virus-proof/

Its not perfect, of course. Nothing is. But its history and current status of being able to avoid almost all is much, much better than other systems.
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Both have their strengthsand weaknesses. I enjoy the openess of the Android platform, but goddamn does my Iphone run smooth as butter. And I've only had to reboot the thing once since I got it months ago. That said, I doubt if I would ever buy a Mac. I enjoy building my own rigs way too much.

Gambler_3

if you are into music,video edition and photography and want a OS that doesn't crash or gets viruses MACs are for you...

http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-quietly-quits-claiming-that-its-mac-os-x-is-virus-proof/

i haven't get any viruses ;) and even if there is..they aren't as bad as the ones you have on PC.
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Both have their strengthsand weaknesses. I enjoy the openess of the Android platform, but goddamn does my Iphone run smooth as butter. And I've only had to reboot the thing once since I got it months ago. That said, I doubt if I would ever buy a Mac. I enjoy building my own rigs way too much.

Gambler_3

if you are into music,video edition and photography and want a OS that doesn't crash or gets viruses MACs are for you...

http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-quietly-quits-claiming-that-its-mac-os-x-is-virus-proof/

No it isn't virus proof, but it's drastically less common. Your actual chances of getting infected on a Mac are still ridiculously small.
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Both have their strengthsand weaknesses. I enjoy the openess of the Android platform, but goddamn does my Iphone run smooth as butter. And I've only had to reboot the thing once since I got it months ago. That said, I doubt if I would ever buy a Mac. I enjoy building my own rigs way too much.

Tessellation

if you are into music,video edition and photography and want a OS that doesn't crash or gets viruses MACs are for you...

I'm into all of those things and I don't have a problem with Windows at all. I haven't had a virus in over a decade and I don't use any antivirus software. The best way to avoid getting viruses and malware is to pay attention to what the hell you are doing online and don't be your grandparents and open every email you get.

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#175 Tessellation
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Both have their strengthsand weaknesses. I enjoy the openess of the Android platform, but goddamn does my Iphone run smooth as butter. And I've only had to reboot the thing once since I got it months ago. That said, I doubt if I would ever buy a Mac. I enjoy building my own rigs way too much.

heretrix

if you are into music,video edition and photography and want a OS that doesn't crash or gets viruses MACs are for you...

I'm into all of those things and I don't have a problem with Windows at all. I haven't had a virus in over a decade and I don't use any antivirus software. The best way to avoid getting viruses and malware is to pay attention to what the hell you are doing online and don't be your grandparents and open every email you get.

well but mac tools / software are better for the things i listed..
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] if you are into music,video edition and photography and want a OS that doesn't crash or gets viruses MACs are for you... Tessellation

I'm into all of those things and I don't have a problem with Windows at all. I haven't had a virus in over a decade and I don't use any antivirus software. The best way to avoid getting viruses and malware is to pay attention to what the hell you are doing online and don't be your grandparents and open every email you get.

well but mac tools / software are better for the things i listed..

And yet I have no problems using the software available for Windows.

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Lets try not to talk about Mac computers here. Stick to iOS and / or Android please!

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[quote="Jack Purcher"]In 2007, Samsung, HTC, Google (GOOG) and all others in the industry didn't have a smartphone with the likes of Apple's iPhone features. They didn't have the solutions that Apple eloquently brought to market to make a smartphone truly smart. Apple carefully and meticulously crafted a full end-to-end smartphone solution. So when the copycats and their followers whine in public and on blogs that Apple should learn to compete instead of initiate litigation I bowl over with laughter.musicalmac
lol


That was in my original post. I'm with Jack. That is reality. I know my posts frustrate you, but you should examine why. It's not because I'm wrong.

Here's the thing: eloquent, careful and meticulous crafting isn't patentable. You could eloquently, carefully and meticulously craft the shiniest, prettiest, most user friendly widget the world has ever known, and none of that would change the fact that unless you meet a strict set of criteria for the creation of a specific, physical, non-obvious widget, you're not (supposed to be) eligible for patent protection.

Rather, the reward for producing an eloquent, careful and meticulously crafted device is that you're the person on the market with the eloquent, careful and meticulously crafted device. All that hard work and all those intelligent decisions have put you in a market leadership position, and you're allowed to exploit that to your heart's content while the cats scramble to copy. And if you have more than two brain cells to rub together or they copycats really are that dependent on your innovations, by the time they've caught up you're on to the next big thing.

That's the point: not that Apple didn't innovate or isn't deserving of their success, but that they shouldn't be able to cripple their competition -- a competition that has brought plenty innovation of its own to the market -- because the USPTO can't tell its ass from a hole in the ground.

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Here's the thing: eloquent, careful and meticulous crafting isn't patentable. You could eloquently, carefully and meticulously craft the shiniest, prettiest, most user friendly widget the world has ever known, and none of that would change the fact that unless you meet a strict set of criteria for the creation of a specific, physical, non-obvious widget, you're not (supposed to be) eligible for patent protection.

Rather, the reward for producing an eloquent, careful and meticulously crafted device is that you're the person on the market with the eloquent, careful and meticulously crafted device. All that hard work and all those intelligent decisions have put you in a market leadership position, and you're allowed to exploit that to your heart's content while the cats scramble to copy. And if you have more than two brain cells to rub together or they copycats really are that dependent on your innovations, by the time they've caught up you're on to the next big thing.

That's the point: not that Apple didn't innovate or isn't deserving of their success, but that they shouldn't be able to cripple their competition -- a competition that has brought plenty innovation of its own to the market -- because the USPTO can't tell its ass from a hole in the ground.

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That all sounds reasonable, but it's ultimately a flawed perspective.

Apple spent time and money to create the iOS interface and iOS devices. Why shouldn't they be allowed to protect their IP? They didn't create this stuff so Google and Samsung could copy their innovations. They're not battling their competition with litigation, it takes all three of the top mobile device manufacturers to outdo Apple's marketshare. Not to mention, Apple makes billions every quarter, with a blowout quarter set to end this year (new iPhone means huge numbers).

A lot of naive individuals will say Apple is scared, Apple is on the ropes, all this nonsense. Apple is one of if not the most financially secure company in the world, they're worth more than big oil for goodness sakes.

The reason Apple is aggressive legally is because Android is a blatant ripoff of iOS, and those who deny it are living in a fantasy world. Before the iPhone announcement, Android was a slightly modified Blackberry OS, after the iPhone was announced it became a very bad imitation of iOS.

Apple can do whatever they want, and one thing they like to do is protect their contributions to the culture of technology. The only reason it's a problem here is because it's Apple being aggressive, and gamers hate expensive things that aren't easy to waste time tinkering with.
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Android supporter :D Customization + big screen is key.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] if you are into music,video edition and photography and want a OS that doesn't crash or gets viruses MACs are for you... Tessellation

I'm into all of those things and I don't have a problem with Windows at all. I haven't had a virus in over a decade and I don't use any antivirus software. The best way to avoid getting viruses and malware is to pay attention to what the hell you are doing online and don't be your grandparents and open every email you get.

well but mac tools / software are better for the things i listed..

Mac tools are better than Photoshop for photo editing? News to me...

As far as I understand, Apple only has a basic editor like Lightroom, which most individuals use for either basic photo processing or batch processing. And the difference between the 2 programs are not worth investing significant amounts of *MORE* money in a mac.

In fact, my photographer friend who was using his Mac tools, decided to switch to Adobe tools because of how much better it is...

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[QUOTE="bloodlust_101"] Mac tools are better than Photoshop for photo editing? News to me... As far as I understand, Apple only has a basic editor like Lightroom, which most individuals use for either basic photo processing or batch processing. And the difference between the 2 programs are not worth investing significant amounts of *MORE* money in a mac. In fact, my photographer friend who was using his Mac tools, decided to switch to Adobe tools because of how much better it is...

His point was that Apple's computers ship with excellent media editing and categorizing tools for novices or hobbyists. Neither Macs nor Windows machines ship with Adobe tools, obviously. Photoshop is still the premier photo editing tool for professionals, available for both Mac and Windows machines. Apple gives users an alternative with Apeture (OSX exclusive), and it's what I prefer over Lightroom. For photo editing purposes, a new Retina display MacBook Pro and Apeture are an untouchable combination. Until there are reasonably priced PC alternatives with high DPI screens, that particular combination is untouchable.
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#182 Sali217
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Android supporter :D Customization + big screen is key.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I'm into all of those things and I don't have a problem with Windows at all. I haven't had a virus in over a decade and I don't use any antivirus software. The best way to avoid getting viruses and malware is to pay attention to what the hell you are doing online and don't be your grandparents and open every email you get.

bloodlust_101

well but mac tools / software are better for the things i listed..

Mac tools are better than Photoshop for photo editing? News to me...

As far as I understand, Apple only has a basic editor like Lightroom, which most individuals use for either basic photo processing or batch processing. And the difference between the 2 programs are not worth investing significant amounts of *MORE* money in a mac.

In fact, my photographer friend who was using his Mac tools, decided to switch to Adobe tools because of how much better it is...

Um what? Photoshop was originally built on an old Mac and when it was released was released exclusively on a Mac. The windows version was only about a year or so after, but that is certainly not where it originated from. Photoshop CS is still a very popular program on the Mac. This is all another topic for another thread though. Back to topic: Both companies benefit by this competition in the mobile OS market, if one were to trample the other it would be likely that the oppressor would get slapped with antitrust for cornering the market. There has to be a symbiotic balance in these companies.
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Android by faaar! I can play all types of roms, can download and convert YouTube vids, and I can watch flash video !

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[QUOTE="bloodlust_101"] Mac tools are better than Photoshop for photo editing? News to me... As far as I understand, Apple only has a basic editor like Lightroom, which most individuals use for either basic photo processing or batch processing. And the difference between the 2 programs are not worth investing significant amounts of *MORE* money in a mac. In fact, my photographer friend who was using his Mac tools, decided to switch to Adobe tools because of how much better it is...musicalmac
His point was that Apple's computers ship with excellent media editing and categorizing tools for novices or hobbyists. Neither Macs nor Windows machines ship with Adobe tools, obviously. Photoshop is still the premier photo editing tool for professionals, available for both Mac and Windows machines. Apple gives users an alternative with Apeture (OSX exclusive), and it's what I prefer over Lightroom. For photo editing purposes, a new Retina display MacBook Pro and Apeture are an untouchable combination. Until there are reasonably priced PC alternatives with high DPI screens, that particular combination is untouchable.

So in the end, if your a professional, and you use Photoshop primarily, there is no benefit to using a Mac over PC. Kinda makes the "Mac is better for photography" a little useless in that regard, no? And correct me if I am wrong, but you still need to buy Aperture no? So it would be in comparison to Lightroom on PC.

Sali, I know Photoshop started on Mac, but nowadays there is no real program benefit of using a Mac for Photoshop. Unless you really care about 2-3 better looking fonts.

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So in the end, if your a professional, and you use Photoshop primarily, there is no benefit to using a Mac over PC. Kinda makes the "Mac is better for photography" a little useless in that regard, no? And correct me if I am wrong, but you still need to buy Aperture no? So it would be in comparison to Lightroom on PC.

Sali, I know Photoshop started on Mac, but nowadays there is no real program benefit of using a Mac for Photoshop. Unless you really care about 2-3 better looking fonts.

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To many it's personal preference, unless you're working with the new Retina MacBook Pro, that makes editing photos a real treat. Lightroom is also available on Macs, but I prefer Apeture. I've also found that my Apple laptop multitasks better than my 8 core Xeon workstation. That's why I'll continue to use Macs primarily in the foreseeable future.
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#186 NVIDIATI
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If resolution was ever that big of an issue for anyone, they would have just picked up a used IBM T221 22inch LCD monitor (3840x2400).

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I don't do photo editing, but personally I think colour accuracy (an area Apple is also trying to improve) would be a more important aspect than resolution.

Anyways lets get back to iOS/Android :P

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#187 Slow_Show
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That all sounds reasonable, but it's ultimately a flawed perspective.


Apple spent time and money to create the iOS interface and iOS devices. Why shouldn't they be allowed to protect their IP? They didn't create this stuff so Google and Samsung could copy their innovations. They're not battling their competition with litigation, it takes all three of the top mobile device manufacturers to outdo Apple's marketshare. Not to mention, Apple makes billions every quarter, with a blowout quarter set to end this year (new iPhone means huge numbers).

A lot of naive individuals will say Apple is scared, Apple is on the ropes, all this nonsense. Apple is one of if not the most financially secure company in the world, they're worth more than big oil for goodness sakes.

The reason Apple is aggressive legally is because Android is a blatant ripoff of iOS, and those who deny it are living in a fantasy world. Before the iPhone announcement, Android was a slightly modified Blackberry OS, after the iPhone was announced it became a very bad imitation of iOS.

Apple can do whatever they want, and one thing they like to do is protect their contributions to the culture of technology. The only reason it's a problem here is because it's Apple being aggressive, and gamers hate expensive things that aren't easy to waste time tinkering with. musicalmac

It's this simple: they shouldn't be allowed to protect their IP because their IP shouldn't be elligible for patent protection. Software is not supposed to be patentable, and even glossing over that little nugget the fact remains the vast, vast majority of software patents (including the ones Apple is routinely granted and uses offensively) are overly broad and lacking in inventive step.The reward for innovation in non-patent ellibile markets is that fact you have the latest and greatest widget to sell to your heart's content, and lo and behold (as you've been wont to point out), Apple's innovation has been rewarded with a commanding lead in marketshare and billions upon billions of dollars in profits.

So whether Android is a blatant ripoff is irrelevant, as they are (or at least should be) perfectly within their rights to rip off the core design and features of iOS to their heart's content (with the justification in IP law being this benefits the public interest -- who are kind of important to the whole IP thing -- by fostering competition and driving further innovation as a result). Let's flip this on its head: Apple sure as hell didn't invent cloud-based storage, so should they be barred from offering iCloud for the next 20-odd years? The iOS 5 notification bar was shamelessly stolen from Android, so should Apple be forced to revert back to the old, crime-against-humanity-tier pop-up notification system?

The answer is of course not, because that would be ridiculous. The notification bar is an obvious, common-sense way of dealing with notifications that can trace its history back to all kinds of PC menus, and cloud storage is a very, very broad concept. They're both tremendously innovative relative to what was offered before, but that doesn't change the fact they shouldn't be elligile for patent protection. The same holds true for virtually everything Apple has done with iOS.

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#188 edidili
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I don't do photo editing, but personally I think colour accuracy (an area Apple is also trying to improve) would be a more important aspect than resolution.

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I do and both are important. I don't see why it should be one or the other. I appreciate the fact that Apple is pushing for high res screens, it forces others to react too but if there is one thing I hate about screens on Macs is that damn gloss. I'll never use a screen that reflects outside light anymore, no matter the resolution. Plus color accuracy means squat when it mixes the colors of the image with the outside light.

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#189 musicalmac  Moderator
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It's this simple: they shouldn't be allowed to protect their IP because their IP shouldn't be elligible for patent protection.

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Well it seems we just have differing opinions. I think if someone spends time and money to make something as great as it can be, they should be allowed to protect that, regardless of whether or not it's a "physical" object with traditional properties. As it stands now, more people on this forum would rather go with the fragmented, inconsistent, bloated imitator over the optimized, uniform and universal original.

Gamers hate Apple, despite all those advantages. The best technology is the kind that you don't have to think about to get to what you really want.
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#190 Gambler_3
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[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

I don't do photo editing, but personally I think colour accuracy (an area Apple is also trying to improve) would be a more important aspect than resolution.

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I do and both are important. I don't see why it should be one or the other. I appreciate the fact that Apple is pushing for high res screens, it forces others to react too but if there is one thing I hate about screens on Macs is that damn gloss. I'll never use a screen that reflects outside light anymore, no matter the resolution. Plus color accuracy means squat when it mixes the colors of the image with the outside light.

100% agreed, reflectivity is not important for screens to be used in a dark cinema environment but for a laptop and PC? Total fail. Dont understand why apple isnt offering a matte version of the new macbook.

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#192 Slow_Show
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Well it seems we just have differing opinions. I think if someone spends time and money to make something as great as it can be, they should be allowed to protect that, regardless of whether or not it's a "physical" object with traditional properties. As it stands now, more people on this forum would rather go with the fragmented, inconsistent, bloated imitator over the optimized, uniform and universal original.


Gamers hate Apple, despite all those advantages. The best technology is the kind that you don't have to think about to get to what you really want.musicalmac

That's not an opinion: that's how IP law is supposed to work. To use a couple of quotes Apple should be somewhat familiar with:

"Apple cannot get patent-like protection for the idea of a graphical user interface..."Apple Computer, Inc. v. Microsoft Corporation

"Under the laws enacted pursuant to this clause, copyright protection is not available for many useful ideas (e.g., supermarkets, self-service gasoline stations, discount retailing, theories about historical facts)... Originators of such nonprotected ideas must derive their profits ("Ricardian rents") by being the first or most innovative to produce or deliver goods and services embodying nonprotected ideas..."Xerox Corp. v. Apple Computer, Inc

The Xerox one being particularly salient, as it dealt with how Apple kinda-sorta stole a bunch of Xerox GUI ideas and integrated them into the Lisa and Macintosh. Sounds familiar, no?

And you're really,really trying too hard with the Android bashing.

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I can upgrade my Windows Mobile phone now it appears; decided on upgrading to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Never had a Android phone before, curious to see how they tick.
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I can upgrade my Windows Mobile phone now it appears; decided on upgrading to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Never had a Android phone before, curious to see how they tick.Stevo_the_gamer
wait for the iphone 5.
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#195 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I can upgrade my Windows Mobile phone now it appears; decided on upgrading to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Never had a Android phone before, curious to see how they tick.Tessellation
wait for the iphone 5.

Already had an iPhone before my Windows Mobile phone, not interested in going back to iOS.
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#196 Tessellation
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I can upgrade my Windows Mobile phone now it appears; decided on upgrading to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Never had a Android phone before, curious to see how they tick.Stevo_the_gamer
wait for the iphone 5.

Already had an iPhone before my Windows Mobile phone, not interested in going back to iOS.

got ya.
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#197 Slow_Show
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I can upgrade my Windows Mobile phone now it appears; decided on upgrading to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Never had a Android phone before, curious to see how they tick.Stevo_the_gamer

How much are you paying for the upgrade? I'd give the Galaxy Nexus the slight nod over the S3 or One X since you're getting stock Android 4.1 (instead of skinned 4.0) and much faster future updates, and it's stupid cheap on Google Play ($350 and gloriously unlocked).

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I can upgrade my Windows Mobile phone now it appears; decided on upgrading to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Never had a Android phone before, curious to see how they tick.Stevo_the_gamer

Although the S3 is a nice choice, I would really reccomend staying with the Nexus Android Devices. They are usually updated the fastest, so you always have the latest, and smoothest offering from Android.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I can upgrade my Windows Mobile phone now it appears; decided on upgrading to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Never had a Android phone before, curious to see how they tick.verbtex

Although the S3 is a nice choice, I would really reccomend staying with the Nexus Android Devices. They are usually updated the fastest, so you always have the latest, and smoothest offering from Android.

Well if you're an audiophile like myself something like the S3 is nice with its Voodoo enabled Wolfson WM1811 DAC chip. Easily some of the best audio available from a smartphone. Personally I'm waiting until the end of the year before I change my phone, so I'll see whats on the market then.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I can upgrade my Windows Mobile phone now it appears; decided on upgrading to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Never had a Android phone before, curious to see how they tick.Slow_Show

How much are you paying for the upgrade? I'd give the Galaxy Nexus the slight nod over the S3 or One X since you're getting stock Android 4.1 (instead of skinned 4.0) and much faster future updates, and it's stupid cheap on Google Play ($350 and gloriously unlocked).

Whatever the price is for the 2-year contract. Is the Nexus offered with AT&T?