SW MythBusters: The Wii has a poor software attach rate!

First, the Xbox 360's attach rate was 4.6 games sold per system, as of March 2007. Remember that number: in March 2007, the Xbox 360's LTD attach rate was 4.6 games sold per system.

Now, for the Wii:

The Wii's attach rate in North America is 6.11 games sold per system and 5.6 games sold per system in Europe as of April 2007 for a total of 5.9 games sold per system.

This includes WiiPlay and WiiSports. WiiSports has an attach rate of 100%, or 1.0. For WiiPlay, I'm assuming that half of all Wii owners have bought WiiPlay, which means its attach rate is 50%, or 0.5. Subtract 1.5 from the attach rate reported by Nintendo, and you get the Wii's final attach rate:

4.4 games sold per system.

Only 0.2 less than the Xbox 360 in the two regions where the 360 sells. I excluded Japan because the 360 doesn't sell in Japan.

So much for "the Wii has bad software sales!"

Myth busted! Lemmings owned. Can we stop talking about attach rate now?

If you say so. Still does not affect me.

So, basically, in 5 months the Wii had an equivilant attatch rate to what the 360 had in 16 months. Yeah, myth busted.Hoffgod

The 360 had a 5.3 attach rate in January, but it went down by March as more people bought 360s but with fewer games. I couldn't find the 360's attach rate in March 2006, which would've been a good comparison to have.

Do they include VC titles ?

I know microsoft haven't included the 20+ million Arcade titles for download to their attach rate.

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]So, basically, in 5 months the Wii had an equivilant attatch rate to what the 360 had in 16 months. Yeah, myth busted.mjarantilla

The 360 had a 5.3 attach rate in January, but it went down by March as more people bought 360s but with fewer games. I couldn't find the 360's attach rate in March 2006, which would've been a good comparison to have.

Strike that, I found the 360's March 2006 attach rate:

3.7 games sold per system

:lol:

i have 10 Wii games. :)Haziqonfire

Darn it, I only have 7 (not including VC Games). You win the Wii Wars, for now...

Do they include VC titles ?

I know microsoft haven't included the 20+ million Arcade titles for download to their attach rate.

BambooBanger

No, it doesn't. Now stop trying to twist the truth.

if you include japan which you should I think it makes X360 attach rate less than what people think. Lemmings always says their games sells so well and wii games do not. If you include Japan wii games would be selling better and would be alot closer to X360's total software sales per week.chansaet

No, not really. Actually, Wii games sell pathetically in Japan. Anything that isn't a DS or PS2 game sells pretty poorly there. None of the three consoles have higher than a 3.5-4 attach rate in Japan, IIRC. And because the 360 has sold almost nothing there in hardware and software, whereas the Wii has dominated home console sales there, it would affect the Wii's global total more than it would the 360's, even if the Wii's Japan attach rate was 3.0 while the 360's Japan attach rate was 1.5 (Microsoft doesn't release regional attach rates, only global attach rates, for that reason).

I wanted to compare the two systems' attach rates in "neutral" ground, where they were both supposed to be doing well.

I think attach rate is a little overrated.

One of the biggest factors why I consider it overrated is that if an install base really isn't growing, then the attach rate remains pretty high for a console. There are not enough new buyers of consoles with 1-2 games purchased to significantly bring that attach rate down. Look at the PS2. I believe it has around 2.3 games attach rate. The main reason is the incredibly high number of consoles sold and new people without new games. So looking at this, we can't really say that the PS2 wasn't a success due to the low attach rate.

Now this isn't to say that the attach rate isn't important. A higher attach rate is a good indicator of how games are selling. A high attach rate along with a high install base is the ideal measure.

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]So, basically, in 5 months the Wii had an equivilant attatch rate to what the 360 had in 16 months. Yeah, myth busted.mjarantilla

The 360 had a 5.3 attach rate in January, but it went down by March as more people bought 360s but with fewer games. I couldn't find the 360's attach rate in March 2006, which would've been a good comparison to have.

Strike that, I found the 360's March 2006 attach rate:

3.7 games sold per system

:lol:

June 2006 was 4.6

http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2006/06/12/535663.aspx

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]i have 10 Wii games. :)MetroidPrimePwn

Darn it, I only have 7 (not including VC Games). You win the Wii Wars, for now...

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.
BambooBanger

I already removed the pack-in numbers for WiiSports and WiiPlay in my first post. Nice try. And I already said why I didn't include Japan. Nice try again. You really don't want to see the attach rate in Japan for the 360, methinks. Especially since the biggest Japanese 360 game was a pack-in title itself.

Damage control = failed.

i have 10 Wii games. :)Haziqonfire

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.

BambooBanger

He took out Wii Sports and Wii Play and the attach rate is 4.4. When was that article from?

I think attach rate is a little overrated.

One of the biggest factors why I consider it overrated is that if an install base really isn't growing, then the attach rate remains pretty high for a console. There are not enough new buyers of consoles with 1-2 games purchased to significantly bring that attach rate down. Look at the PS2. I believe it has around 2.3 games attach rate. The main reason is the incredibly high number of consoles sold and new people without new games. So looking at this, we can't really say that the PS2 wasn't a success due to the low attach rate.

Now this isn't to say that the attach rate isn't important. A higher attach rate is a good indicator of how games are selling. A high attach rate along with a high install base is the ideal measure.

Zhengi

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.

sexy_chimp

He took out Wii Sports and Wii Play and the attach rate is 4.4. When was that article from?

It was written last week. It is actually a "second opinion" from an article.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]So, basically, in 5 months the Wii had an equivilant attatch rate to what the 360 had in 16 months. Yeah, myth busted.BambooBanger

The 360 had a 5.3 attach rate in January, but it went down by March as more people bought 360s but with fewer games. I couldn't find the 360's attach rate in March 2006, which would've been a good comparison to have.

Strike that, I found the 360's March 2006 attach rate:

3.7 games sold per system

:lol:

June 2006 was 4.6

http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2006/06/12/535663.aspx

Which is just barely above the Wii's attach rate without pack-ins. So once again, myth remains busted.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.

BambooBanger

He took out Wii Sports and Wii Play and the attach rate is 4.4. When was that article from?

It was written last week. It is actually a "second opinion" from an article.

So? It only supports my point by providing another source reiterating the numbers I've already stated. (Although I don't know where they got the attach rate of 4.8 in NA from, since two paragraphs up they say it's 6.11.)

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.
mjarantilla

I already removed the pack-in numbers for WiiSports and WiiPlay in my first post. Nice try. And I already said why I didn't include Japan. Nice try again. You really don't want to see the attach rate in Japan for the 360, methinks. Especially since the biggest Japanese 360 game was a pack-in title itself.

Damage control = failed.

I'm not trying to damage control anything, I'm just trying to make a point of sifting through the fan-boy bullcrap.

I don't mind the Wii at all, the only thing stopping me from getting one is it's abysmal games library.

*feels a little overwhelmed after witnessing all of the powerful ownage jam packed into this thread being gift-wrapped and delivered to all of the wii-haters in system wars*

myth busted. good work TC.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.

BambooBanger

He took out Wii Sports and Wii Play and the attach rate is 4.4. When was that article from?

It was written last week. It is actually a "second opinion" from an article.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.
BambooBanger

I already removed the pack-in numbers for WiiSports and WiiPlay in my first post. Nice try. And I already said why I didn't include Japan. Nice try again. You really don't want to see the attach rate in Japan for the 360, methinks. Especially since the biggest Japanese 360 game was a pack-in title itself.

Damage control = failed.

I'm trying to damage control anything, I'm just trying to make a point of sifting through the fan-boy bullcrap.

I don't mind the Wii at all, the only thing stopping me from getting one is it's abysmal games library.

In two threads now you've tried to "deflate" the Wii's high attach rate by saying, "I assume that includes WiiPlay and WiiSports?" and "Does that include VC?" That's damage control. Just get over it, the myth is busted. You haven't "sifted" any fanboy crap from this thread, because it's the 100% God's honest, no-twists-applied truth.

The only thing you can say is that the 360's attach rate is probably a full point higher now because of Halo 3. But that doesn't change the fact that both consoles, when neither one had a huge release, were almost equal in LTD attach rate.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]i have 10 Wii games. :)SuperMario_46

i have 14:(

I'm trying to damage control anything, I'm just trying to make a point of sifting through the fan-boy bullcrap.

I don't mind the Wii at all, the only thing stopping me from getting one is it's abysmal games library.

BambooBanger

Are you part of the "if it's not AAA it's not worth playing crowd?" Because the library isn't bad if your ok with playing games that are just "good", and not only games that are "superb".

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.
mjarantilla

I already removed the pack-in numbers for WiiSports and WiiPlay in my first post. Nice try. And I already said why I didn't include Japan. Nice try again. You really don't want to see the attach rate in Japan for the 360, methinks. Especially since the biggest Japanese 360 game was a pack-in title itself.

Damage control = failed.

I'm trying to damage control anything, I'm just trying to make a point of sifting through the fan-boy bullcrap.

I don't mind the Wii at all, the only thing stopping me from getting one is it's abysmal games library.

In two threads now you've tried to "deflate" the Wii's high attach rate by saying, "I assume that includes WiiPlay and WiiSports?" and "Does that include VC?" That's damage control. Just get over it, the myth is busted. You haven't "sifted" any fanboy crap from this thread, because it's the 100% God's honest, no-twists-applied truth.

All GENUINE questions, because System Wars isn't exactly known for it's truth and accuracy, so don't assume :roll:

[QUOTE="SuperMario_46"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]i have 10 Wii games. :)Boni

i have 14:(

I only have 7, I think.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.
BambooBanger

I already removed the pack-in numbers for WiiSports and WiiPlay in my first post. Nice try. And I already said why I didn't include Japan. Nice try again. You really don't want to see the attach rate in Japan for the 360, methinks. Especially since the biggest Japanese 360 game was a pack-in title itself.

Damage control = failed.

I'm trying to damage control anything, I'm just trying to make a point of sifting through the fan-boy bullcrap.

I don't mind the Wii at all, the only thing stopping me from getting one is it's abysmal games library.

In two threads now you've tried to "deflate" the Wii's high attach rate by saying, "I assume that includes WiiPlay and WiiSports?" and "Does that include VC?" That's damage control. Just get over it, the myth is busted. You haven't "sifted" any fanboy crap from this thread, because it's the 100% God's honest, no-twists-applied truth.

All GENUINE questions, because System Wars isn't exactly known for it's truth and accuracy, so don't assume :rolleyes:

And even after I took the time to explain my methodology for removing pack-in numbers in my first post, you STILL post an article that warns against pack-in numbers?

In two threads now you've tried to "deflate" the Wii's high attach rate by saying, "I assume that includes WiiPlay and WiiSports?" and "Does that include VC?" That's damage control. Just get over it, the myth is busted. You haven't "sifted" any fanboy crap from this thread, because it's the 100% God's honest, no-twists-applied truth.

The only thing you can say is that the 360's attach rate is probably a full point higher now because of Halo 3. But that doesn't change the fact that both consoles, when neither one had a huge release, were almost equal in LTD attach rate.

mjarantilla

Im GundamGuy0 and I support this message.

He's right, if you would have read the first post you would see he removed WiiPlay and WiiSports just like your article did... and realize He's not including Download games. It would be much higher if he included those.

[QUOTE="SuperMario_46"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]i have 10 Wii games. :)Boni

i have 14:(

21 here ;)

I have 5 Wii games. nintendofreak_2

Mee too I think... *goes to check*...

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.
mjarantilla

I already removed the pack-in numbers for WiiSports and WiiPlay in my first post. Nice try. And I already said why I didn't include Japan. Nice try again. You really don't want to see the attach rate in Japan for the 360, methinks. Especially since the biggest Japanese 360 game was a pack-in title itself.

Damage control = failed.

I'm trying to damage control anything, I'm just trying to make a point of sifting through the fan-boy bullcrap.

I don't mind the Wii at all, the only thing stopping me from getting one is it's abysmal games library.

In two threads now you've tried to "deflate" the Wii's high attach rate by saying, "I assume that includes WiiPlay and WiiSports?" and "Does that include VC?" That's damage control. Just get over it, the myth is busted. You haven't "sifted" any fanboy crap from this thread, because it's the 100% God's honest, no-twists-applied truth.

All GENUINE questions, because System Wars isn't exactly known for it's truth and accuracy, so don't assume :rolleyes:

And even after I took the time to explain my methodology for removing pack-in numbers in my first post, you STILL post an article that warns against pack-in numbers?

God FORBID I contradict a forum poster with another source :roll: You're probably wrong anyway, give it up.

Oh, for heaven sakes........They Wii has a noticable lower attach rate then the 360, why even post this rubbish???

Mythbusted......ROTFLOL!!!!!

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

From an article:

While Nintendo software sales have traditionally been strongest in North America, the pack-in title does artificially inflate the tie ratio. This helps explain why the Japanese attach rate is 3.06 and the North American attach rate is 6.11. Once the pack-in numbers are removed, the relative sales ratios echo the GameCube sales ratios (GCN, NA: 10.63, Japan: 6.93, 1.53:1; Wii, NA: 5.11, Japan: 3.06, 1.67:1).

The tie rate is further inflated by the Wii Play package (retailing just shy of $50) which includes a Wii remote ($40 value). This is an excellent deal, as consumers get one of the more "Wii-Defining" games and nearly get the controller tossed in for free. Wii Play has been an amazingly strong seller for Nintendo, racking up an unthinkable 5.31M sales according to VGChartz.com.

Needless to say, the Wii Sports pack-in and the Wii Play Wii-mote bundle skew the attach ration--especially from a 3rd party publisher's perspective. Instead of a whopping 4.8 units of software sold per Wii unit in NA, publishers are realistically looking at a low 3 figure. Not a horrible number, but then again not amazing either.
BambooBanger

I already removed the pack-in numbers for WiiSports and WiiPlay in my first post. Nice try. And I already said why I didn't include Japan. Nice try again. You really don't want to see the attach rate in Japan for the 360, methinks. Especially since the biggest Japanese 360 game was a pack-in title itself.

Damage control = failed.

I'm trying to damage control anything, I'm just trying to make a point of sifting through the fan-boy bullcrap.

I don't mind the Wii at all, the only thing stopping me from getting one is it's abysmal games library.

In two threads now you've tried to "deflate" the Wii's high attach rate by saying, "I assume that includes WiiPlay and WiiSports?" and "Does that include VC?" That's damage control. Just get over it, the myth is busted. You haven't "sifted" any fanboy crap from this thread, because it's the 100% God's honest, no-twists-applied truth.

All GENUINE questions, because System Wars isn't exactly known for it's truth and accuracy, so don't assume :rolleyes:

And even after I took the time to explain my methodology for removing pack-in numbers in my first post, you STILL post an article that warns against pack-in numbers?

God FORBID I contradict a forum poster with another source :roll: You're probably wrong anyway, give it up.

Except you DIDN'T contradict me. Your article game the EXACT SAME NUMBERS I did for the Wii's NA attach ratio: 6.11 with WiiPlay and WiiSports, 5.11 with only WiiPlay. So what was your point for posting that article, other than to reiterate that the Wii's "high attach rate is due to WiiPlay and WiiSports", even though my numbers already took that into consideration?

Oh, for heaven sakes........They Wii has a noticable lower attach rate then the 360, why even post this rubbish???

Mythbusted......ROTFLOL!!!!!

AgentVX

Anyone have the PS3's attach rate?

I recon its around 2.0 at best

Oh, for heaven sakes........They Wii has a noticable lower attach rate then the 360, why even post this rubbish???

Mythbusted......ROTFLOL!!!!!

AgentVX

I doubt the 360's stagnant userbase and year head start have anything to do with it.

ROTFLOL!!!!

[QUOTE="AgentVX"]

Oh, for heaven sakes........They Wii has a noticable lower attach rate then the 360, why even post this rubbish???

Mythbusted......ROTFLOL!!!!!

nintendofreak_2

If he gets newer, more recent numbers than June, he probably can prove it because of Halo and Orange Box.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

I think attach rate is a little overrated.

One of the biggest factors why I consider it overrated is that if an install base really isn't growing, then the attach rate remains pretty high for a console. There are not enough new buyers of consoles with 1-2 games purchased to significantly bring that attach rate down. Look at the PS2. I believe it has around 2.3 games attach rate. The main reason is the incredibly high number of consoles sold and new people without new games. So looking at this, we can't really say that the PS2 wasn't a success due to the low attach rate.

Now this isn't to say that the attach rate isn't important. A higher attach rate is a good indicator of how games are selling. A high attach rate along with a high install base is the ideal measure.

Nike_Air

All of them had an attach rate of over 10? No... just no...

Anyone have the PS3's attach rate?

I recon its around 2.0 at best

-D3MO-

That's tougher to find. I haven't seen where I could get the PS3's numbers. It was around 3 in March, I believe.