Switch or PS4 - which was system of the year for 2017?

MS doesnt earn a dent of what is sold on steam/origin/GOG. Windows is just the most popular OS, nothing more. They dont own the PC as a platform and they have no say in the matter when it comes to game related digital stores.

And what matters that both Nioh and Nier arent sony exclusives? They arent on Switch so they should be counted when debating PS4's library vs Switch library. Exclusives arent all that matter when comparing overall libraries throughout the year. People dont only play exclusives ya kno? Fact is, the PS4 had more (debatable) good games then the Swicth had in 2017, full exclusives or not. So, it objectively had the better year and its not only two! amazingly received games on the Switch's side that will change that fact. You may have your preferences and chose w/e you want but objectively the PS4 was the best system of the year out of the two, hands down!

@Vatusus: that’s for picking up for me, I honestly didn’t have the will to explain that and argue it. I’m still trying to process the angle of that argument against PS4 lol

If your entire argument is based upon the amount of well received games, then PC won by a landslide and you are arguing over 7 games. 7:

So it boiles down to: What is better. Having 7 worthwhile games more or having two games that won many GotY awards, one of them offering 100s of hours content. I guess one could argue a long time about that.

@ArchoNils2: yeah but outside of gaming forums PS4 and Xbox are more popular than pc. Not a lot of people want to dedicate time or money to a gaming PC or know how to build a good one.

So if someone is in GameStop and says should I buy a PS4 or Xbox one? An associate could say Xbox one has halo wars, forza 7, PUBG and Cuphead and PS4 Has Horizon, Nioh, NIer, Gran Turismo, Crash Bandicoot, etc

That's a really American-centric statement. Around the world, in many places, PC is just as or even more popular than console gaming. Here in Switzerland pretty much everyone that's above 15 plays on PC. From a causual like my wife to a hardcore player. I personally know a lot of gamers here that don't even know what the current systems are. And the difference is even bigger in other countries like South Korea, China or Russia.

Also who says you need to dedicate a lot of time and money to play on PC? My mom does it on PC, my wife does it on her Notebook. To both of them, playing a game on a device they already have costs less and takes less time.

@ArchoNils2: this is going to sound very ethnocentric but I think the largest percentage of gaming is probably done in the United States. Yes Europe and Japan are big markets but are they as big as North America? Probably not. Think about it, Xbox bran has basically stayed afloat by the North American market alone.

If you were to look at sales broken down by region, I would bet majority of sales are North American driven. Which isn’t to sound like an ignorant American but the USA is the Mecca and hub of pretty much everything and a lot of consumerism happens here.

I love how you are making up stuff if it so easy to look it up xD Sure, NA is a huge region, but it is nothing compared to Asia. I guess you overrate how important the US is for the world.

@ArchoNils2: making up stuff? Dude it’s pretty much common knowledge in the gaming world that Asia is more geared towards the handheld and mobile market. What the hell does that have to do with playstation , Xbox or pc?

@jcrame10: I think the confusion lies in "but I think the largest percentage of gaming is probably done in the United States.".

The term gaming there should have been replaced with 'home console gaming' for better accuracy.

Asia is certainly a larger market for PC and portable gaming. In fact, in some countries such as South Korea and China, console gaming is essentially a non-entity and PC gaming is the more preferred platform of choice. Source. This has been the case for a couple of years Source

So really, China is the largest hub for gaming, and their platform of choice is PC.

You lost me. You said:

So when you say "gaming", you only talk about consoles and PC because - for some reason - mobiles and handheld doesn't count?

Ok, let me get back to your initial statement:

Then how comes, all consoles and handhelds (!) combined barely beat PC?

@ArchoNils2: the initial argument was playstation and Xbox being more popular than pc. You said pc is popular in Europe and then brought in Asia statistics when playstation and Xbox aren’t as relevant to Asia because the market is more geared to handheld and mobile

@jcrame10: I don't think he did. If you re-read his post, he said

"That's a really American-centric statement. Around the world, in many places, PC is just as or even more popular than console gaming. Here in Switzerland pretty much everyone that's above 15 plays on PC. From a causual like my wife to a hardcore player. I personally know a lot of gamers here that don't even know what the current systems are. And the difference is even bigger in other countries like South Korea, China or Russia."

So he included South Korea and China from the get-go. He's not wrong in saying that PC gaming is more popular in Asian countries like China which right now are the largest gaming hub and have been for the last couple years.

If you go library to library, ps4

@ArchoNils2 said:

@Vatusus said:

@UssjTrunks said:

@jcrame10 said:

Interesting how you can count an Xbox "exclusive" for being on PC but not Playstation.

Makes sense.

Microsoft owns Xbox and Windows. Microsoft does not release Xbox console exclusives anymore because they would be stupid to leave money on the table. It's not Microsoft's problem they have a more diverse gaming platform than Sony.

MS doesnt earn a dent of what is sold on steam/origin/GOG. Windows is just the most popular OS, nothing more. They dont own the PC as a platform and they have no say in the matter when it comes to game related digital stores.

And what matters that both Nioh and Nier arent sony exclusives? They arent on Switch so they should be counted when debating PS4's library vs Switch library. Exclusives arent all that matter when comparing overall libraries throughout the year. People dont only play exclusives ya kno? Fact is, the PS4 had more (debatable) good games then the Swicth had in 2017, full exclusives or not. So, it objectively had the better year and its not only two! amazingly received games on the Switch's side that will change that fact. You may have your preferences and chose w/e you want but objectively the PS4 was the best system of the year, hands down!

If your entire argument is based upon the amount of well received games, then PC won by a landslide and you are arguing over 7 games. 7:

So it boiles down to: What is better. Having 7 worthwhile games more or having two games that won many GotY awards, one of them offering 100s of hours content. I guess one could argue a long time about that.

The thread is about Switch vs PS4. No one brought PC or Xbox to the debate in question (already fixed my previous comment to represent that).

And "7"? I already mentioned way more than 7 games that were on PS4 and NOT on the Switch... Thats were people are getting it wrong in this thread, is that suddently only exclusives seem to matter while multiplats that were on on platform (PS4) but not on the other (switch) dont count... thats asinine.

Overall library is the overall libary. If a game is on one platform but not on the other then it should be count when in direct confrontation. And you talk as if the 2 switch games (SMO and BotW) were "way and beyond" anything released on PS4 wich is false. I'm not even a fan of P5 (found it quite overrated) but it only has 0.4 points less on metacritic than those two... big whoop! And it was also above SMO here on GS at least, wich goes to show how arbitrary these "critics" scores are. I played Persona 5 and found both Nioh and Horizon way better games despite not having the same critical reception P5 had. Again, opinions are like a**holes... you know the rest. Just because BotW and SMO had better overall reception than anything else this year does not automatically mean they're better games

@Vatusus said:

@ArchoNils2 said:

@Vatusus said:

@UssjTrunks said:

@jcrame10 said:

Interesting how you can count an Xbox "exclusive" for being on PC but not Playstation.

Makes sense.

Microsoft owns Xbox and Windows. Microsoft does not release Xbox console exclusives anymore because they would be stupid to leave money on the table. It's not Microsoft's problem they have a more diverse gaming platform than Sony.

MS doesnt earn a dent of what is sold on steam/origin/GOG. Windows is just the most popular OS, nothing more. They dont own the PC as a platform and they have no say in the matter when it comes to game related digital stores.

And what matters that both Nioh and Nier arent sony exclusives? They arent on Switch so they should be counted when debating PS4's library vs Switch library. Exclusives arent all that matter when comparing overall libraries throughout the year. People dont only play exclusives ya kno? Fact is, the PS4 had more (debatable) good games then the Swicth had in 2017, full exclusives or not. So, it objectively had the better year and its not only two! amazingly received games on the Switch's side that will change that fact. You may have your preferences and chose w/e you want but objectively the PS4 was the best system of the year, hands down!

If your entire argument is based upon the amount of well received games, then PC won by a landslide and you are arguing over 7 games. 7:

So it boiles down to: What is better. Having 7 worthwhile games more or having two games that won many GotY awards, one of them offering 100s of hours content. I guess one could argue a long time about that.

The thread is about Switch vs PS4. No one brought PC or Xbox to the debate in question (already fixed my previous comment to represent that).

And "7"? I already mentioned way more than 7 games that were on PS4 and NOT on the Switch... Thats were people are getting it wrong in this thread, is that suddently only exclusives seem to matter while multiplats that were on on platform (PS4) but not on the other (switch) dont count... thats asinine.

Overall library is the overall libary. If a game is on one platform but not on the other then it should be count when in direct confrontation. And you talk as if the 2 switch games (SMO and BotW) were "way and beyond" anything released on PS4 wich is false. I'm not even a fan of P5 (found it quite overrated) but it only has 0.4 points less on metacritic than those two... big whoop! And it was also above SMO here on GS at least, wich goes to show how arbitrary these "critics" scores are. I played Persona 5 and found both Nioh and Horizon way better games despite not having the same critical reception P5 had. Again, opinions are like a**holes... you know the rest. Just because BotW and SMO had better overall reception than anything else this year does not automatically mean they're better games

You said, and I quote, "he PS4 was the best system of the year". Also the thread itself i asked wrongly. TC can't ask which is the best system of the year and limit the options, acting like there are only two valid options when PC, which is by every definition the best system, is not even there.

7 is the difference between the amount of great games on Ps4 and the amount of great games on the Switch. This is NOT only about exclusives. Look at the Metacritic graphic I posted. It is true, that the PS4 has more than 7 high rated exclusives, there are 20. And the Switch had 13. Oh and please, don't act like I'm in the "Switch is the best system" camp. I'm pretty much just posting facts and boiled it down to what the whole argument is all about: Few extremely high rated games and a few high rated games vs. a bit more high rated games. At this point its all opinion, really.

lolwut? Of course every first or second party MS game sold on PC earns MS revenue... They don't give their games away for free.

And MS distributes these games through their own Windows store too.

Microsoft publishes their own games on PC. Sony does not.

And I also said and quote "(already fixed my previous comment to represent that)". Go read it again

Also the thread itself i asked wrongly. TC can't ask which is the best system of the year and limit the options, acting like there are only two valid options when PC, which is by every definition the best system, is not even there.

True but my answer was aimed at what the thread asked. W/e the TC said I've nothing to do with it. The thread was about Switch vs PS4 and I responded accordingly

7 is the difference between the amount of great games on Ps4 and the amount of great games on the Switch. This is NOT only about exclusives. Look at the Metacritic graphic I posted.

hum, read your graph again... the 7 games difference is only about exclusives... it clearly says "GOOD EXCLUSIVES (75 OR HIGHER)"... Did you even checked your own graph?!

It is true, that the PS4 has more than 7 high rated exclusives, there are 20. And the Switch had 13.

Ok, now I'm confused... first you say the 7 difference is not only about exclusives and now you say exclusives?! Wut? Make up your mind.

I'm pretty much just posting facts and boiled it down to what the whole argument is all about: Few extremely high rated games and a few high rated games vs. a bit more high rated games. At this point its all opinion, really.

No, you're posting your distorted "facts". PS4 had way more well received games this year OVERALL (i.e. not only counting exclusives) than the Switch had. Now THATS a fact. When it comes to wich games were actualy better then the others, thats an opinion

If you want viable proof, here it is:

Number of PS4 games released in 2017 with a metascore of 75 or higher: 148

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/ps4/filtered?sort=desc&year_selected=2017&page=1

Number of Switch games released in 2017 with a metscore of 75 or higher: 80

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/switch/filtered?year_selected=2017&sort=desc

Difference: 68 games, NOT 7

What I meant was that they dont charge any legal fees to have their games on Windows. Steam/Origin/GOG games dont have to pay a dent to MS to sell their games on PC while 3rd party publishers do have to pay Sony/MS/Nintendo to have their games on their respective consoles. Sure Windows Store is an exception, but thats it... and exception that barely anyone even uses. For example, Cuphead is on steam, and while Microsoft does have rights over the game on xbox they dont have the rights of the game on PC other then publishing rights (wich do not automatically mean "exclusive"). Cuphead is being worked on for Linux and probably SteamOS: https://steamcommunity.com/app/268910/discussions/0/1488861734107504300/ (see 3rd reply)

"Cuphead is lifetime exclusive on Xbox for the console space, but in the PC space it’s going to be on every platform we can. So we’ll launch on PC and look into Mac and Linux thereafter."

so, yeah, it depends what games we're talking about

correct answer

Even though I own a PS4, I have to admit I'm not interested in the vast majority of games that come out for it, so I don't feel like I can really bring a valid opinion to the table in that regard.

The Switch... As a Wii U owner, I wasn't too impressed with the first year. Super Mario Odyssey is really the only amazing title that the Switch can truthfully call its own.

Didn't forget you.

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@Vatusus said:

@sHaDyCuBe321 said:

Also you may not want to admit it, but GT Sport was trash.

Have you played it? Prove it cause I actualy think you didnt

GT Sport was minimaly slamed for the lack of content (at release, something that has been also constantly fixed through DLC) but every major outlet pointed to the fact that GTS gameplay was superb, thus the good (not great) scores. The game wasnt trash, just like SFV wasnt trash, it just lacked content

Didn't forget you.

Ok, seems legit. But can you honestly tell me with a straight face the gameplay is "trash"? I didnt bought the game because I knew about its lack of content and especially SP campaign, but I did play the demo and thought its gameplay, at the very least, was great. And by reading many reviews (not only from game related websites but car related ones aswell) it seems I was not alone in that thought. If GT Sport had released with a proper amount of cars and a proper SP campaign I would buy it in a heartbeat.

@Vatusus: damn you got me, I totally confused the very sources I used. Sorry, it wasn't my intention to mislead, I just mixed the wohle graphics up somehow, hence why I'm contradicting myself. So yeah, the difference is certainly much bigger than 7 great games.

@Vatusus said:

@sHaDyCuBe321 said:

@Vatusus said:

@sHaDyCuBe321 said:

Also you may not want to admit it, but GT Sport was trash.

Have you played it? Prove it cause I actualy think you didnt

GT Sport was minimaly slamed for the lack of content (at release, something that has been also constantly fixed through DLC) but every major outlet pointed to the fact that GTS gameplay was superb, thus the good (not great) scores. The game wasnt trash, just like SFV wasnt trash, it just lacked content

Didn't forget you.

Ok, seems legit. But can you honestly tell me with a straight face the gameplay is "trash"? I didnt bought the game because I knew about its lack of content and especially SP campaign, but I did play the demo and thought its gameplay, at the very least, was great. And by reading many reviews (not only from game related websites but car related ones aswell) it seems I was not alone in that thought. If GT Sport had released with a proper amount of cars and a proper SP campaign I would buy it in a heartbeat.

I honestly thought the gameplay was ok at best, but Azatis' claim said that it was one of the best in its' genre, which I think is laughable. IMO of course.

Muliplats don't cancel out in Nintendo versus PlayStation threads not to mention Sony had more quality exclusives. Anyone who picks Nintendo is not thinking objectively.

PS4 for me.

2 Yakuza games, Persona 5 and Nier.