Switch unavoidably hackable... What it means.

So articles are starting to flood out that there is an easy exploit of the switch which will allow it to run roms and other such wizardry. I'm not advocating it but I think it needs to be discussed because in my opinion, Nintendo is about to lose a ton of money.

Nintendo is certainly back in the sense that they are making a ton of good decisions with hardware and now the software is really feeling strong. In short, the switch absolutely deserves its high sales numbers for many reasons, but that doesn't absolve Nintendo from bad choices in other areas.

By withholding their legacy collection from purchase on switch they've allowed a vacuum where a market for roms on switch will be white hot. Switch gamers, specifically those of us who understand how good Nintendo legacy collection is WANT these games on switch and will gladly pay for them... Likewise, battling it out online for a classic console which is yet another thing tethered to a tv with a cord just seems so archaic by comparison...

So what we have here is a bad decision in my opinion. Nintendo would rather create a limited supply of classic consoles and allow for a gray market of free roms than offer their fanbase a competent legacy collection through their virtual store. There is just no way it makes for good business...

So many customers willing to pay for super Metroid or a link to the past will eventually get their games somehow and I think in part, Nintendo is helping them get them for nothing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/04/24/every-nintendo-switch-can-be-hacked-and-the-tools-just-went-public/amp/

Is it? Seems pretty weak and we're 4 months in to this year already....

@scatteh316: in a single year they released the best open world game of all time, one of the best platformer of all time and Bayonetta 2 is the best action game in gaming.... All those games came out in a single year, not to mention the excellent indie game support and new ip like the Mario rabbids game. Let's not pretend Nintendo isnt putting up.

Good. Whatever makes Nintendo speed up the release of their legacy games is positive.

To me, Nintendo not releasing all their legacy games a fucking year ago on Switch is weird. Such easy money for them. I don't even dare to think about how much dough they've missed out on by now. All they needed to do was basically nothing to get filthy rich.

@Litchie: my thoughts exactly....

They were probably holding off on the Switch virtual console until they released an N64 Classic. This will in all likelihood head off that decision. My expectation as a Switch owner is that they reveal their v console at e3 this year.

I think you need to be reminded that we're not in 2017 any more, we're now in 2018.

So again, how is the software feeling strong?

Interesting. I just love when devices become more useful than originally intended.

Ooof.... I just can't read that with a straight face. Good joke.

@pyro1245: please tell me a better one... I'm riveted.

GTA5 because it's an actual living, breathing open world.

@scatteh316: lol! Thanks for the laugh.

To pretend that gta 5 is somehow a real open world where Zelda is not is a nightmare of an opinion. Yikes.

It screams, "I've never played breath of the wild."

There's a very obvious Elephant sitting in the corner of the room and he looks a lot like an albino junky.

BotW nailed the open world - It's gorgeous and has all the Zelda aesthetic, but there' very little substance in it all. After the honeymoon period I had the 'Is this all there is?' realization.

These games were able to hold my interest where BotW could not. I'll stick to current-gen otherwise this list would be way too long:

• Bloodborne has better aesthetic and gameplay. Any Souls game, but I really like the Souls games.
• Horizon Zero Dawn has a better story (if BotW had a decent story I might have stuck with it).
• Witcher 3's characters and world provide so much more immersion than BotW
• Even Bethesda games like Skyrim and FO4 seem to have something that's missing from BotW (maybe dungeons - seriously the lack of good dungeons is just sad in BotW - shrines don't count and the others are lacking)

This is my opinion - and trust me I was really disappointed to develop it as a long-time Zelda fan. I played it for about 25 hours and uncovered most of the world map and took down 3 of the 4 'dungeon creatures' and unlocked about half of the memories

Oh but I have..... and it's no where near as alive or autonomous as GTA5's world.....

To say BoTW is a proper open world game is like saying Horizon: ZD is a proper open world game too.

But back to the original point, we're in 2018 so can you highlight what software is feeling strong this year for Switch?

@scatteh316: I can't think of a game that tickled my excitement for discovering every nook and cranny than what they did with botw... I understand it's popular to extrapolate nit picky things on popular games, but as an open world, no game I've ever played (Witcher, gta, etc etc included) made exploring an open canvas so rewarding and exciting... Fresh I'd even say. The game felt untethered from conventional open world games. The world felt impossibly alive through its physics and its gameplay possibilities.

I waited a year for Nintendo to get off their ass and announce a virtual console for the Switch. They still haven't so I bought a Raspberry Pi.

You snooze you loose Nintendo.

I would still buy Saturn, Dreamcast, Gamecube and non or limited motion Wii games on Switch but I don't expect it. While Nintendo is making better decisions in some ways, they are still pretty dumb in others.

So are we closing in on dubbing the Switch the new PSP?

Agreed. They have provided a lot of great games for the Switch so far but the omission of the Virtual Console so far is baffling. Hopefully they release it soon because I want to give them, and third parties, more money to get many of their classic games.

@TheEroica: It means that will go down the 3DS, DS and Wii route.

@scatteh316: I don't play every game the moment it comes out so for me I'm sitting on a ton of games I've yet to play which is great because it just proves what a wonderful growing library switch has. I'll play dark souls this year, probably the rabbids game from last year... I'll play doom finally (still waiting for that price drop), celeste, owlboy... Point is you're trying to "prove" switch has a lousy library by putting your eggs in the 2018 basket... I suppose if we went back and cherry picked light years from playstation and the perennial light years of the xbox we could reach a similar conversation... But the point is that Nintendo just gave their gamers a year with THREE 10s and a slew of other fantastic games that I've only scratched the surface on... So yeah 2018 is lighter than 2017, which was one of the best years a company has ever had in games.

@TheEroica: Do not be ridiculous. lol

@Diddies: explain... With context please.

No offense to how good breath of the wild is, but it doesn't compare to the environment of GTA5.

It will always happened.. Soon or later!! Now this is kind of tempting lol

@Diddies: do you believe that because you like the urban aesthetic more or because you believe gtas open world systems are better? Because I can't argue the first point, but the second point is overwhelmingly in favor of Zelda.

All of these claims are debatable.

@scatteh316: kirby

@Basinboy: I'm game, but it doesn't have to be this way.

@Pedro: debate away! I've played what feels like hundreds of open world games, Botw is king. Same with platformer... Mario odyssey is incredible, best since galaxy? Also, tough to argue the greatness of Bayonetta 2... What action game comes close to that type of visceral, glorious gameplay matches it?

Again that's your opinion and your are free to have that disposition but lets not act like these titles you are giving these games are as definitive as games sales or other non-disputable facts. I can list games that are better but like you, it would be my opinion akin to your opinion.

I don't understand why people make these opinionated claims as facts.

Why not? I for one loved the PSP, especially once I discovered its homebrew scene.

Such affection has yet to translate over to the Switch, but if I can put everything in Nintendo's catalog from NES to N64 (plus others, like PS1 ROMS), I'd certainly give it more attention than I currently do.

I don't think you understand what the concept of 1 year is. In the last 13 months Nintendo has released more AND better content, than almost any other developer.

If you want to talk about 2018 fine:

Super Meat Boy, Brawl, The Escapist 2, Lost Sphear, Super One More Jump, Night in the Woods, Celeste (GOTY so far), Steamworld Dig, Dandara, Dragon Quest Builders, Owlboy, Bayo 1 & 2, Toki Tori 2, Outlast 1 and 2, Kirby, Labo, and South Park

Are many of these ports? Yes

Are many of these indies? Yes

Are they all good to great games? Yes

Just because they have released previously doesn't dismiss them from making the Switch's software this year strong. It would certainly be nice to have Dragonball and Monster Hunter on Switch, but to dismiss whats released in the last 4 months is ignorant. But of course fanboys love to do that because...I don't know...reasons.

Breath of the Wild felt empty.

I enjoyed the game, I really did.

But I'd rather play Skyrim.

Lets not pretend its in another league, it really frigging aint.

@TheEroica:

"@scatteh316: in a single year they released the best open world game of all time, one of the best platformer of all time and Bayonetta 2 is the best action game in gaming.... All those games came out in a single year, not to mention the excellent indie game support and new ip like the Mario rabbids game. Let's not pretend Nintendo isnt putting up."

Well lmao at best open world of all time and i am a Zelda nerd. It's a great game but that statement is pure subjectivity. The Witcher 3 is a better game Imo. Others here will say Horizon.

Mario Oddyssey is great, bayonetta 2 is a 2014 game rereleased. And it's not like its all that better looking like say, shadow of the colossus. Let's stay in perspective here. Nintendo is doing well but he has a point. Do you really think the drought won't hit?

@cainetao11: Yeah they all have droughts and always will. The PS4 and XB1 had what... pretty much a 3 year drought? Something like that. I remember watching the first few years wondering when the good games would land but it was pretty much Resogun. Which was OK... Not something I got super into. I don't remember a sony platform ever taking so long to get a must have title. And imo the Xbox One still doesn't but that's me.

Kinda funny... oh wait, it wasn't a joke was it?

@cainetao11: From some perspectives, it already has. There hasn't been many major Switch releases this year yet other than Kirby (which personally, I'm not that interested in).

That doesn't mean I haven't been playing my Switch. I did buy Celeste on Switch, and I have already amassed a backlog of Switch games from 2017 that I haven't played. Additionally, I picked up the Bayonetta games again because I love those games. :P

As far as new releases in 2018 go, there hasn't been that much for me yet on Nintendo Switch. They have plenty of announced games set for 2018 but it all seems to be Q3 and Q4 material...

Not really debatable... they're actually false.

@Pedro: I don't understand why people make these opinionated claims as facts."

So hard for people to grasp, subjective entertainment is.

@rafaelmsoares: Might be the best for him specifically, but it's obviously subjective. :P

All good games, if you ask me. Although none of the three represent my favorite in their respective series.

I'm sorry to say but this is precisely what I bought the Switch for.

I'm baffled to see that people prefer BOTW over WW and OoT and Odyssey over Galaxy 1/2 (specially 2)... to me, those are all objectivelly better than the new iterations on switch. I mean, we have yet to have a platformer with level design as good as galaxy 2 or an adventure as memorable as OoT.

As for Bayonetta... well, I kinda hate the aestethics and the gameplay is kinda samey to me.

But yes, the 3 are good games indeed... just not the second coming of christ claimed by sheeps here.

@KungfuKitten: Understood but it always comes down to "that's just me". Life itself is subjective. X1 must plays to me are FH3, Sunset Overdrive, Ori, Cuphead, Halo 5 MP. Can i play on PC? Sure, or i can play on X1. But not PS or switch.

PS4 had Bloodborne in early 2015, that wasn't 3 years either. 3 years was November 2016 for both consoles.

@JumpAction: Agreed. I have games for my Switch but Bayonetta is challenged by GoW for what Eroica is calling best action game, The Witcher 3 so much more alive and pulsing of a world. BOTW was great but FC3 did this to me already. Climb tower, unlock map. I can understand @TheEroica: That BOTW world was so alive and made you want to explore every inch but it did not me and others. I just wanted shrines for the spirit shit to increase stamina. Now Witcher3 made me want to go and and seek out little villages with bulletin boards and witchers work, take on ! Missions for the random people in the world, hunt down the Witcher gear from different houses.

@rafaelmsoares: Yeah, I prefer Super Mario Galaxy 2's level design, but Super Mario Odyssey does have the better toolkit but personally SMG2 is a more cohesive game.

I prefer BoTW over both WW and OOT. WW having some of the worst dungeon design in the series alongside its little brother Phantom Hourglass, being overly linear in structure and very little room for expression and Ocarina of Time having some pretty lame dungeon design like the Shadow Temple. Thematically, OOT is stronger but BoTW serves up a better, more dynamic combat system with multi-threaded puzzle design that is cohesive across your toolkit rather than lock-and-key based like the OOT template. Some critics like Chris Wagar would go as far as suggesting that OOT was the beginning of a descent for the series. I wouldn't agree with that. I think those Zelda games are fun, but BoTW is better than those games to play, I feel.

Bayonetta 1 and 2 are great action games. Tons of player expression, a great score system that rewards good, risky play and enemy design that is genuinely interesting and non-passive; enemies that are actually engaging to fight because they're as punishing as you can be. Great games - the both of them. Wonderfully replayable, awesome action games. The best? Definitely debatable. DMC and Ninja Gaiden Black have huge supporters and rightly so.

I feel there is a heavy amount of hyperbole that surrounds the launch of a major game. So much so that it can sort of trample on top of those who can't resonate with these games as much. It's not exclusive to these games, but is found across a large number of games produced by respected designers, developers and publishers. This community has a habit of throwing reason out the window in favor of a positive emotional reaction to something. Most folks will decide a game is the second coming of Christ before they have even played it. This is just a symptom of the culture born alongside the internet but I think in conversing in games, it's good to step back from that narrative and just evaluate games on your own terms, not what dialogue is surrounding them because that ends up clouding your judgement either positively or negatively.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H1BiLrOGfpM

Objectivity doesn't exist from humans in terms of entertainment. This was the only objective review I've ever seen.

I love both WW and Phantom Hourglass lol it's a matter of opinion, I know... but knowing someone doesn't love them makes me kinda salty.

But I wholeheartedly agree with the last pararaph... we do have a lot of preconceived opinions as gamers and it kinda prevents us from playing great games (great to us, doesn't mean they are objectively good or bad). I had proof of this recently, as I enjoyed a few games that were bashed by critics and gamers alike, like Yooka Laylee and Tales of Berseria.

Nintendo's prices have been ridiculous, so screw em.

@rafaelmsoares: All kinds of people exist. Yes even those who can't be charmed by Wind Waker's lovely aesthetics. Phantom Hourglass and Spirit tracks are my least favorite in the series.

I definitely get why people would like Breath of the Wild so much. Personally it's not my favorite Zelda but up there as one of them, and one of my favorite open world games.

@cainetao11: And I preferred BTW over Witcher 3 purely in enlisting a sense of discovery by pulling back on UI info and focusing on hints and secrets in the game. Something I enjoy in other games like Thief.

Don't think there is any right answer. Witcher 3 is more densely populated with a larger and better script. The attention given to every little side quest in terms of writing is awesome.

But for me it was more vital that I felt unrestricted when exploring and taking on quests and BoTW answered that call. Because both games succeed differently, I can't ever imagine an objective answer. It's just impossible. :P

Good.