switching next gen

i was a xbox fan since it the first one came out but microsoft seems to be heading to the causal side (with kinect) and also loosing there exclusive titles such as mass effect and will probably also lose gears of war by next gen. E3 showed that playstation is the only console with hardcore gamers in there sight so by next gen i will definitely buy a ps4 and ps vita

RealGameFan

mass effect was never exclusive to begin with...

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Wii U because I like Nintendo, they push new ideas, they push the industry forward.

I'm thinking probably PC if I can afford it - So I can get anything else I might be missing out on. Sony and Microsoft have to try really hard to do something different in order for me to buy their consoles early on, otherwise I'm going to wait a few years before I pick up one of them.

InfinityMugen

Huh what are you on about the hardware in the wii u could be sold for 299 usd and have a profit, NIntendo is the one on the cliff as the are adding in a pricey controller and the price is most likely going to be 350 usd or more. Nintendo is also making poor use of the gpu having it run dual monitors instead of maxing out the primary display. Depending on how dumb nintendo is they might drop the primary displays res to 720p or below just to run 2 of these useless lcd's in a game. Nintendo is taking a huge gamble that another company will like the tech and license or purchase the patents for the lcd controller tech. Nintendo could end up with no 3rd party support when sony and ms drop their next gen systems.

Why becuae the wii u will be much weaker than the upcoming platforms and devs wont be able to port their next gen games to them. Allnintendo could have is some great game demos of tech nobody wants. Nintendo could have gotten a dx11 gpu and more memory for the price of this controller. They could have made games that put the hd twins to shame and got devs to use the wii u as the minimum standard and ported games to the next gen systems. Nintendo is making a huge gamble right now that this tech will payoff in the long run. If i remeber right the patents are only good for 10 years.

The next gen twins should have 4x the power easy of the wii u and all nintendo will have is a ipad control.

I honestly think the Wii U will be a console caught in between generations similar to the Dreamcast with limited 3rd party support. I'm not really sure why Nintendo is trying to hype the Wii U as some sort of 3rd party core gaming platform when 3rd party support will diminish and eventually evaporate once MS and Sony release their next consoles. Consoles a good half generation ahead of the Wii U. KC_Hokie

I think it will be more like the PS2 was to the GCN and Xbox. Technically weaker, but still close enough.

The Dreamcast didn't have support to begin with. Sega managed to upset the third parties, first by releasing the Saturn in North America months ahead of schedule, and then by suddenly dropping it just a few years later.

Huh what are you on about the hardware in the wii u could be sold for 299 usd and have a profit, NIntendo is the one on the cliff as the are adding in a pricey controller and the price is most likely going to be 350 usd or more. Nintendo is also making poor use of the gpu haiving it run dual monitors instead of maxing out the primary display. Depending on how dumb nintendo is they might drop the primary displays res to 720p or below just to run 2wo of these useless lcd's in a game. Nintendo is taking a huge gamble that another company will like the tech and license or purchase the patents for the lcd controller tech. Nintendo could end up with no 3rd party support when sony and ms drop their next gen systems.

Why becuae the wii u will be much weaker than the upcoming platforms and devs wont be able to port their next gen games to them. Al nintendo could have is some great game demoes of tech nobody wants. Nintendo could have gotten a dx11 gpu and more memory for the price of this controller. They could have made games that put the hd twins to shame and got devs to use the wii u as the minimum standard and ported games to the next gen systems. Nintendo is making a huge gamble right now that this tech will payoff in the long run. If i remeber right the patents are only good for 10 years.

Patents are good for twenty years. That's why their d-pad patent only expired a few years ago.

Do you really want every console to be exactly the same?

My crystal ball is broken... I have no idea and NO loyality to any company.

THOUGH seeing as MS charges for the PRIVELAGE to play their games online it will again be the last console to buy only when the price is right and I can find.... plenty of .... friends to borrow games to play for free. I do not need the online, just like with my Xbox and 360. :D.and Like my Xbox I will be playing the games long after their next console launches. They killed off Xbox way too early, and if they continue to make Xbox 360 games or allow 3rd party companys to make games then it will be that untill Xbox 360 is no more.

I will wait to see the games that Nintendo has as that VISION which got me in line on launch day will not get me in line again. I had high hopes for Wii but they did not deliver as I had hoped. Maybe my ideas were just too high. REALLY is a Samari Showdown type wii plus game too hard to come up with? DUCK HUNT!!! for crying out loud. I guess I had all these ideas coming to my head and after a while I just got disapointed.

My disapoint with MS "next gen" console fell on Sony's PS3. They (Sony) talk about power and technology but when it came down to it ... PS3 was not as explosive as I though it would be. ITs not that the tech was bad but just EARLY!!! they needed to wait a year. Blueray is great but slow if they waited for 4x speed then no LOADING TIMES. Cell, good but at 90nm it was too hot and big... wait a year and you get powerXcell 8imore than 2x the power with less heat running at higher frequencey!! And that joke of a GPU.... seriously anything wold have been better.And they could have done with less expensive Memory with more of it, say 1 GB.

- Had Sony launched a year later with a MUCH better console then I would have done better but at 599.00 if the value was worth the expence. I would have handed my $600.00 happly if it was witha full running8spu cell chips running at 5ghz on a 65nm die, 8X Blueray drive, 1gb memory, better Gpu. Well at least unlike MS I know they will not kill it before its time. world wide it will last 20 years, as PS2 pasts 10 years and still sells and gamesare still made.

As for PC games I still play WOW. and some older games. BUT my PC card is old andit just is not worth it to continue to buygraphic cards every few yewrs to play games.I plan onditching my PC once I get a smartphone or android tablet, for internet access.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I honestly think the Wii U will be a console caught in between generations similar to the Dreamcast with limited 3rd party support. I'm not really sure why Nintendo is trying to hype the Wii U as some sort of 3rd party core gaming platform when 3rd party support will diminish and eventually evaporate once MS and Sony release their next consoles. Consoles a good half generation ahead of the Wii U. ThePlothole

I think it will be more like the PS2 was to the GCN and Xbox. Technically weaker, but still close enough.

The Dreamcast didn't have support to begin with. Sega managed to upset the third parties, first by releasing the Saturn in North America months ahead of schedule, and then by suddenly dropping it just a few years later.

So the GPU's will be 6 or more years apart in terms of power and advancement. And that's just the GPU's.

The Wii U will be a console caught in between generations just like the Dreamcast.

[QUOTE="Rude_Bwoii"]

Huh what are you on about the hardware in the wii u could be sold for 299 usd and have a profit, NIntendo is the one on the cliff as the are adding in a pricey controller and the price is most likely going to be 350 usd or more. Nintendo is also making poor use of the gpu haiving it run dual monitors instead of maxing out the primary display. Depending on how dumb nintendo is they might drop the primary displays res to 720p or below just to run 2wo of these useless lcd's in a game. Nintendo is taking a huge gamble that another company will like the tech and license or purchase the patents for the lcd controller tech. Nintendo could end up with no 3rd party support when sony and ms drop their next gen systems.

Why becuae the wii u will be much weaker than the upcoming platforms and devs wont be able to port their next gen games to them. Al nintendo could have is some great game demoes of tech nobody wants. Nintendo could have gotten a dx11 gpu and more memory for the price of this controller. They could have made games that put the hd twins to shame and got devs to use the wii u as the minimum standard and ported games to the next gen systems. Nintendo is making a huge gamble right now that this tech will payoff in the long run. If i remeber right the patents are only good for 10 years.

ThePlothole

Patents are good for twenty years. That's why their d-pad patent only expired a few years ago.

Do you really want every console to be exactly the same?

No but when the choice is a gimmick or more power I will take more power any day of the week and 2x on sunday. This tech is going to pwer games for the next 5 years why gimp it for a ipad controller that no 3rd party devs are going to use ??

If I know nintendo they are going to want devs to pay a royalty to use this tech and they will be like un NOOO.

If MS runs this kinect **** into next-gen, I am most likely going from an "everything" owner to an "everything but xbox" owner. 110million

[QUOTE="110million"]If MS runs this kinect **** into next-gen, I am most likely going from an "everything" owner to an "everything but xbox" owner. Heil68

Expect MS to spend more on developing their next console than Sony. Sony already stated they aren't spending as much as they did for the PS3 while MS has more money than ever to spend.

The gap in hardware is going to be way larger than people think. If the early reports of the GPU are even remotely accurate we're talking about an AMD GPU you could buy off the shelf in mid-2008 vs. a GPU the competition is spending hundreds of millions to develop. Something you won't find on the shelves until mid-2014 at the earlies.

So the GPU's will be 6 or more years apart in terms of power and advancement. And that's just the GPU's.

The Wii U will be a console caught in between generations just like the Dreamcast.

You're talking like you know exactly what Microsoft and Sony have planned. The truth is we don't know when they intend to release their next systems or how much of a loss they'll want to take.

No but when the choice is a gimmick or more power I will take more power any day of the week and 2x on sunday. This tech is going to pwer games for the next 5 years why gimp it for a ipad controller that no 3rd party devs are going to use ??

If I know nintendo they are going to want devs to pay a royalty to use this tech and they will be like un NOOO.

At least one third party developer has shown they're quite interested in using this controller.

Uh, all console makers charge the third party publishers royalties to publish on their system. That's how it's worked since console makers first embraced the third parties (instead of trying to sue them).

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I honestly think the Wii U will be a console caught in between generations similar to the Dreamcast with limited 3rd party support. I'm not really sure why Nintendo is trying to hype the Wii U as some sort of 3rd party core gaming platform when 3rd party support will diminish and eventually evaporate once MS and Sony release their next consoles. Consoles a good half generation ahead of the Wii U. KC_Hokie

I think it will be more like the PS2 was to the GCN and Xbox. Technically weaker, but still close enough.

The Dreamcast didn't have support to begin with. Sega managed to upset the third parties, first by releasing the Saturn in North America months ahead of schedule, and then by suddenly dropping it just a few years later.

So the GPU's will be 6 or more years apart in terms of power and advancement. And that's just the GPU's.

The Wii U will be a console caught in between generations just like the Dreamcast.

Aren't you the same guy that ALWAYS says that there isn't much difference between consoles and PC int erms of graphics? I know, you're usually just trolling PC, as usual, but still?

Suddenly 2 years is a large difference, because consoles are involved, and not PC?

At least be consistent man.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

The gap in hardware is going to be way larger than people think. If the early reports of the GPU are even remotely accurate we're talking about an AMD GPU you could buy off the shelf in mid-2008 vs. a GPU the competition is spending hundreds of millions to develop. Something you won't find on the shelves until mid-2014 at the earlies.

So the GPU's will be 6 or more years apart in terms of power and advancement. And that's just the GPU's.

The Wii U will be a console caught in between generations just like the Dreamcast.

ThePlothole

You're talking like you know exactly what Microsoft and Sony have planned. The truth is we don't know when they intend to release their next systems or how much they'll spend on them.

Third party developers aren't going to stick around for long. Nintendo's marketing strategy for the Wii U is just strange.

Aren't you the same guy that ALWAYS says that there isn't much difference between consoles and PC int erms of graphics? I know, you're usually just trolling PC, as usual, but still?

Suddenly 2 years is a large difference, because consoles are involved, and not PC?

At least be consistent man.

Kinthalis

We know MS is working with AMD to develop something while spending hundreds of millions in the process. The Wii U GPU won't be in the same league as whatever MS comes up with. Nintendo is unwilling to spend much on R&D and are essentially taking something off the shelf from 2008 and sticking it in their console.

Third party developers aren't going to stick around for long. Nintendo's marketing strategy for the Wii U is just strange.

And if the system doesn't come out until like 2016?

You're speculating.

I'll have all the systems once again most likely, but I'll also wait until the system is announced and previewed before switching sides.

We know MS is working with AMD to develop something while spending hundreds of millions in the process. The Wii U GPU won't be in the same league as whatever MS comes up with. Nintendo is unwilling to spend much on R&D and are essentially taking something off the shelf from 2008 and sticking it in their console.

Third party developers aren't going to stick around for long. Nintendo's marketing strategy for the Wii U is just strange.

And if the system doesn't come out until like 2016?

You're speculating.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]Aren't you the same guy that ALWAYS says that there isn't much difference between consoles and PC int erms of graphics? I know, you're usually just trolling PC, as usual, but still?

Suddenly 2 years is a large difference, because consoles are involved, and not PC?

At least be consistent man.

KC_Hokie

You know I don't get why they are using a r700 gpu and a lcd instead of getting a amd bart gpu. At least when the next gen from son/ms comes out 3rd partys could have ported games from the wii u or from the next ps4/720. This r700 is so weak it does 1080p dx 10.1 maxed with just enough power with optimised code to run a small lcd.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]Aren't you the same guy that ALWAYS says that there isn't much difference between consoles and PC int erms of graphics? I know, you're usually just trolling PC, as usual, but still?

Suddenly 2 years is a large difference, because consoles are involved, and not PC?

At least be consistent man.

Rude_Bwoii

You know I don't get why they are using a r700 gpu and a lcd instead of getting a amd bart gpu. At least when the next gen from son/ms comes out 3rd partys could have ported games from the wii u or from the next ps4/720. This r700 is so weak it does 1080p dx 10.1 maxed with just enough power with optimised code to run a small lcd.

im staying nintendo , is the only hardcore system that really exist, seriously ,

how many times do us gamers gotta get disappointed by long development times for shorter games that cost 60 bucks a pop ,

core huh i didnt know cod was core, people seriously forgot about kirby zelda fzero etc ,, those are what got this industry back on its toes and lol i agree microsoft , 39 exclusive titles in 6 yrs im not impressed wiis got 54 exclusives ps3 60

so those will be my choices this means ill be adding a psvita a wii u and ps4 -in 2015 , to my already 3ds ,

microsoft has got to impress me if they want me this gen i was a manticore as well as since ps1 ,

and if they come out with thesame stuff-and further reading , if the 3rd party dont improve -- i will basically stick with sony and nintendos games because this gen proved 1 thing , all 3rd party care about is violence and sales numbers

mariokart64fan

Nintendo really is the "hardcore" company. I bet I'm one of the few that agrees with you.

Nintendo really is the "hardcore" company. I bet I'm one of the few that agrees with you.

Heirren

Eh.

All of them are "hardcore". They all have a core audience who is dedicated to the software on those platforms. All of the platforms have large "casual" audiences too, whether it be a more female demographic casual market like the Wii or the casual CoD player on the 360/PS3. All three platform makers have a diverse audience, each made up of games for core users.

I'll probably end up getting all of them at some point. Right now I'm keeping a close eye on the Wii U (looks promising), had a Wii and lost interest in it quickly and sold it so now I've got the 360, PS3, and PC (though I badly need to upgrade my PC).

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

The gap in hardware is going to be way larger than people think. If the early reports of the GPU are even remotely accurate we're talking about an AMD GPU you could buy off the shelf in mid-2008 vs. a GPU the competition is spending hundreds of millions to develop. Something you won't find on the shelves until mid-2014 at the earlies.

So the GPU's will be 6 or more years apart in terms of power and advancement. And that's just the GPU's.

The Wii U will be a console caught in between generations just like the Dreamcast.

KC_Hokie

You're talking like you know exactly what Microsoft and Sony have planned. The truth is we don't know when they intend to release their next systems or how much they'll spend on them.

Third party developers aren't going to stick around for long. Nintendo's marketing strategy for the Wii U is just strange.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/31/nintendo-building-new-randd-facility-in-kyoto/

The new facility will house 1,500 employees that will focus on Product development. I think they are willing to spend money on R&D.

I was an xbox fan until I bought my highend pc in 2008 and have since then become less of a fanboy. I was very excited about the Project Cafe but that interest has disappeard with all the bad news so I don't know if I'll buy any nextgen consoles. Oh, and the Playstation brand has never interested me in the slightest. None of the games interest me, except for Little Big Planet but I wont buy a system for one game. I guess I'll stick with PC nextgen (together with my 3DS).

Next gen Im PC only, Nintendo are the only company that may be able to tempt me to buy another console but that remains to be seen (I have already been informed I will need a 3DS that said by my kids).

Im not switching, er well... Im not switching who I love most I mean :P Nintendo all the way. But I will be switching from a "Only Nintendo console owner" to "all consoles owner." That way I dont miss out on any exclusives and I will be able to post in just about all of the sw topics without lying or saying "Interesting" or "that sucks." And I will have a job by the time Next gen starts for Nintendo.

I, at one point, owned all 3 consoles, but bailed on the Wii not long after its launch (around a year). I think I'll end up being a two console guy from here on out, likely to buy a PS4 but on the fence about buying the next Xbox or get the Wii U. Hard to say not knowing what either of those consoles are going to be like, but I've owned each PS console at some point or another, so I bet I'll get one based on that.

I will probably buy Sony's next console a year or so after its launched. I don't like buying games at launch since their libraries are so limited

seriously my biggest gripe about the ps3 is the controller. they need to fix it for next gentheSteeeeels

Im defintely staying away from PC's ... its a joke to me how some people I know are always talking about "preparing" their PC everytime a new game gets released, I mean really ? you don't mind upgrading every 6 months just to play one lowsy video game ?

I'll stick to good ol' fashion consoles, were I know I can run a game out the box, and not have to worry about performance or "TEH MAX SETTINGZ"

rasengan2552

not sure if serious...

[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]seriously my biggest gripe about the ps3 is the controller. they need to fix it for next gendrakekratos