SWTOR: The Thinking Man's GOTY

GOTY traditionally is awarded to the games with the most in-your-face Gears-esque meatheadedness.

However, for the people that enjoy depth of character, story, game world and a sense of wonder and intelligence, the traditionally over the top Idiocracy-inspired game simply doesn't cut it.

Enter SWTOR, the thinking man's GOTY

1. Bioware Story x 8 classes
2. Huge world
3. Real life friends
4. Star Wars
5. Persistent game world
6. Competitive PVP

Recent NDA leaks, which I will respectfully not link to, have confirmed the epicness of this game. Apparently the story/presentation rivals KOTOR and has ME2 style cutscenes. Could anything be more amazing game-wise? Doubtful.

As other gamers argue over this years iteration of a CoD-clone inspired MP experience, Bioware will be electrifying the PC game world with a new style. A better style. A GOTY style in the truest sense.

i have been following this game since it was announced, however at this point i am highly sceptical of the game, to me from leaked gameplay video it looks like WoW with a star wars skin, and the space combat is effectivly a rail shooter

i have been following this game since it was announced, however at this point i am highly sceptical of the game, to me from leaked gameplay video it looks like WoW with a star wars skin, and the space combat is effectivly a rail shooter

Sotonian_Rebel

The gameplay is faster and more impactful than WoW. Space shooter ... meh; better than no space.

However, the experience of the game (especially with friends) will be unparalleled.

Basically if you like ME2 and KOTOR this game is the magic pasta sauce.

You would be crazy not to at -least- play it for the free month.

If anything makes me buy a saweet gaming PC, it will be this game and oh I guess Diablo 3 as well but then I think mah life going outta the house may come to a close. :cry:

:P

No. Also Demon's Souls got GOTY before, it isn't the "in your face gears-esque game". In fact, I'm sure Demon's Souls requires more thinking. Story MMOs will always fall into the same trap. I've played a ton of MMOs, and the way it goes, it may give you 20-30 hours of quality story telling, but MMOs are made to last months. Either the story bits will be between long boring bouts of grinding, or all the story will happen at the start and then you're just left with grind. Guild Wars 2 will be much better. 110million

There never has been a game like SWTOR, at least in presentation, you will feel like you are IN a Star Wars movie.

GW2 also looks impressive, but Bioware + ME2 cutscenes + Star Wars is something unique.

There never has been a game like SWTOR, at least in presentation, you will feel like you are IN a Star Wars movie.

GW2 also looks impressive, but Bioware + ME2 cutscenes + Star Wars is something unique.

ehussein1379

It just won't work out the way people expect. With full voice acting on all NPCs, there is no way they can afford to have a ton of story quests.

Meh. Star Wars and MMOs: one things I hate with a passion and another that I haven't really been able to get into. Besides, if any game changes MMOs it'll be Guild Wars 2.

Basically if you like ME2 and KOTOR this game is the magic pasta sauce.

You would be crazy not to at -least- play it for the free month.

ehussein1379

"The thinking man's GOTY"

I guess every other choice is retarded . Glad to know other people opinions are idiotic and wrong.

TrapJak

I'm not saying that.

Just that Gears-esque meathead games usually garner the attention, rather than a thinking man's game.

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

"The thinking man's GOTY"

I guess every other choice is retarded . Glad to know other people opinions are idiotic and wrong.

ehussein1379

I'm not saying that.

Just that Gears-esque meathead games usually garner the attention, rather than a thinking man's game.

I wouldn't call an MMO a thinking man's game. When I think of a thinking man's game, I think X3 and Starcraft II and Civilization V.

If anything makes me buy a saweet gaming PC, it will be this game and oh I guess Diablo 3 as well but then I think mah life going outta the house may come to a close. :cry:

:P

SecretPolice

When Diablo III comes out...me too, nobody is gonna see or hear from me in like 3 months, unless it's "Hey get on Diablo" :P

Imo, playing a MMO like a single-player will kill this game. I have yet to see someone who plays an MMO and cares a **** about the story. All the rest it looks like a WoW re-skin.

Imo, playing a MMO like a single-player will kill this game. I have yet to see someone who plays an MMO and cares a **** about the story. All the rest it looks like a WoW re-skin.

Masculus

Most of the WoW players I know, are big time RPG fans, and they love the story. The reason so many don't give a ****, is people like me, who see quest text, turn it into a bullet point, and complete said quest, and return it. I've not played enough Warcraft to know the story behind WoW, and the only reason I don't care for WoW's story, is it's piss poor presentation.

Questing with a group of friends is no more fun than doing it alone, all it really is, is a race to max level, with how it's done in WoW. If anything, it's the only redeeming feature of the whole game, to give the player a proper story experience.

WoW has only a ~10% adoption rate, it is very rare for it to hold interest past lvl 10, this is all on the fact, the game starts at max level, not during leveling, and leveling takes a long time, and max level still means grinding your balls off just to compete.

Not directed to you TC, but I find it funny that the people who use the term, "Thinking Man's X" are the ones who need to think things through a little more...

I heard the lag is terribad, to the point that the game can be unplayable. That'll need to be sorted.

Guild Wars 2 will be much better. 110million

Nope, sorry. I think you're wrong.

[QUOTE="Masculus"]

Imo, playing a MMO like a single-player will kill this game. I have yet to see someone who plays an MMO and cares a **** about the story. All the rest it looks like a WoW re-skin.

Inconsistancy

Most of the WoW players I know, are big time RPG fans, and they love the story. The reason so many don't give a ****, is people like me, who see quest text, turn it into a bullet point, and complete said quest, and return it.

Gotcha.

Guild Wars 2 will be much better. 110million

That.

TOR looks so dull and boring compared to Guild Wars 2. Without the Star Wars name or world the game would be a joke.

Watch these:
http://www.arena.net/blog/dungeon-cinematics

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/thief/

And tell me TOR looks better :?

Frozen Synapse is this year's "Thinking Man's GOTY". Nothing else comes close.

[QUOTE="110million"]Guild Wars 2 will be much better. dragonball3900

That.

TOR looks so dull and boring compared to Guild Wars 2. Without the Star Wars name or world the game would be a joke.

Watch these:
http://www.arena.net/blog/dungeon-cinematics

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/thief/

And tell me TOR looks better :?

It's going to age fast though. Like the first one.

[QUOTE="dragonball3900"]

[QUOTE="110million"]Guild Wars 2 will be much better. SkyWard20

That.

TOR looks so dull and boring compared to Guild Wars 2. Without the Star Wars name or world the game would be a joke.

Watch these:
http://www.arena.net/blog/dungeon-cinematics

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/thief/

And tell me TOR looks better :?

It's going to age fast though. Like the first one.

But SWTOR already looks last gen. yes Guild wars 2 will look aged in 2 years time,but youve got to remember the game has been made to run on old pc's [same as Wow is, you could run that thing on a toaster] And SWTOR has issues to do with lag/framerate and it looks worse then most games that came out in 05

So MGS4 is meat-headed? And Demon's Souls, which requires incredible skill and patience? And I'm not a fan of MMOs, so there's no chance SWTOR will win anything from me, at least. A bad move by BW.

I'm guessing Guild Wars 2 with have a lot of expansions now due to the game being non-subscription?NerubianWeaver

Most probs and it has a ingame shop [not pay to win the shop only sells clothing]

[QUOTE="Masculus"]

Imo, playing a MMO like a single-player will kill this game. I have yet to see someone who plays an MMO and cares a **** about the story. All the rest it looks like a WoW re-skin.

Inconsistancy

Most of the WoW players I know, are big time RPG fans, and they love the story. The reason so many don't give a ****, is people like me, who see quest text, turn it into a bullet point, and complete said quest, and return it. I've not played enough Warcraft to know the story behind WoW, and the only reason I don't care for WoW's story, is it's piss poor presentation.

And a lot of the times the people you see that blow through quest dialogue and story elements are people who have already played through the game a few times and have level 85 characters that they've seen all this stuff with.

Game looks like a 5.5/10. It looks dull, rather slow combat, weird and stiff animations and they've gone the "This is a WoW clone but even more singleplayer"-route which feels like the complete opposite direction of what'd you'd want from a mmorpg. They could've made it a sandbox mmorpg and at least tried to revive the roleplaying part instead all we get more instanced dungeons and more instanced battlegrounds. No I just feel so disappointed, it could've been grand but all we get is a bad WoW clone. There is nothing wrong with WoW, if you like the kind of gameplay WoW offers then there's is no better than WoW out there but WoW clones are just no no.

Seriously, some big company should pick up Darkfall or something and turn it into an epic mmorpg.


Also not to nitpick but I couldn't help but to see that the damage text is yellow and the experience gain text is purple, just like WoW not even a change of color. But that's jut too much nitpicking I guess.

What you guys are failing to mention is Bioware.

KOTOR/ME1/ME2/DA:O all have mediocre combat at best, but are still top tier works of gaming art.

Your judgments are based on flashy A-A-A-Awesome, and not a total picture of scope and value.

Sure a linear corridor shooter that is single player can do interactive combat better than an MMO, but it lacks:

large world

epic moments in the persistency of the world

cohesive massive alternate reality

depth in classes and strategies

persistent pvp battles

etc.

KOTOR/ME1/ME2/DA:O all have mediocre combat at best

ehussein1379

And that's what's going to kill TOR. If they can't nail the gameplay perfectly, they're going to get buried alive.

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]

KOTOR/ME1/ME2/DA:O all have mediocre combat at best

Phoenix534

And that's what's going to kill TOR. If they can't nail the gameplay perfectly, they're going to get buried alive.

TOR combat is actually better than the aforementioned; of which are considered the best games ever made.

So, if it didn't kill Bioware as a studio in their previous smaller scoped games, it probably won't kill them in their new mega-scope SWars game.

Scope and immersion trump combat for the thinking man.

Your judgment is based solely on the DA2 effect; now THAT actually failed.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="Masculus"]

Imo, playing a MMO like a single-player will kill this game. I have yet to see someone who plays an MMO and cares a **** about the story. All the rest it looks like a WoW re-skin.

Phoenix534

Most of the WoW players I know, are big time RPG fans, and they love the story. The reason so many don't give a ****, is people like me, who see quest text, turn it into a bullet point, and complete said quest, and return it. I've not played enough Warcraft to know the story behind WoW, and the only reason I don't care for WoW's story, is it's piss poor presentation.

And a lot of the times the people you see that blow through quest dialogue and story elements are people who have already played through the game a few times and have level 85 characters that they've seen all this stuff with.

The WoW storyline is amazing.

The presentation is beyond abysmal. What a wasted opportunity.

Another reason TOR will advance the genre, which I consider to be the forefront of gaming basically. (MMO)

All games will be MMO in the future, for the most part.

The WoW storyline is amazing.

The presentation is beyond abysmal. What a wasted opportunity.

Another reason TOR will advance the genre, which I consider to be the forefront of gaming basically. (MMO)

All games will be MMO in the future, for the most part.

ehussein1379

Then the future of gaming is a dead one.

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]

The WoW storyline is amazing.

The presentation is beyond abysmal. What a wasted opportunity.

Another reason TOR will advance the genre, which I consider to be the forefront of gaming basically. (MMO)

All games will be MMO in the future, for the most part.

Phoenix534

Then the future of gaming is a dead one.

To you maybe. If you don't like playing online then the marketplace will indeed look very bleak in the next few decades.

The next BF game will probably be an MMO...

is a wow clone . just look at the gameplay vids it exactly like wow. nothing different from it and the competion . i guarnette after the first month more than half of the subscribers will drop and go bak to wow. starwars fanboys need to just get it through their head that starwars is finsihed. ITS DEAD . i dont like to say it but it is. there has been no good starwars games in the past 5 -6 years . stop getting ur hopes up ull just feel betrayed like i felt when i played the force unleashed.

is a wow clone . just look at the gameplay vids it exactly like wow. nothing different from it and the competion . i guarnette after the first month more than half of the subscribers will drop and go bak to wow. starwars fanboys need to just get it through their head that starwars is finsihed. ITS DEAD . i dont like to say it but it is. there has been no good starwars games in the past 5 -6 years . stop getting ur hopes up ull just feel betrayed like i felt when i played the force unleashed.

sinpkr

Clue 1: 'Force Unleashed' - obviously going to be an awful game

Clue 2: developer, unknown [to me]

Counter-clue 1: Bioware

Counter-clue 2: KOTOR

I agree that SWars as a franchise has been damaged / burned out. But, and its a big butt, Bioware made Swars shine with KOTOR. ME1/2 in a similar sci-fi vein proves they get the genre.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]

The WoW storyline is amazing.

The presentation is beyond abysmal. What a wasted opportunity.

Another reason TOR will advance the genre, which I consider to be the forefront of gaming basically. (MMO)

All games will be MMO in the future, for the most part.

ehussein1379

Then the future of gaming is a dead one.

To you maybe. If you don't like playing online then the marketplace will indeed look very bleak in the next few decades.

The next BF game will probably be an MMO...

There is a huge difference between online game and MMO. MMOs will never take over games because A)there's too many people that don't like them, and B)out of the huge amount of MMOs, only a handful can survive more than a year and still be a viable business venture.

WoW clone of the year!

[QUOTE="110million"]Guild Wars 2 will be much better. SkyWard20

Nope, sorry. I think you're wrong.

I don't really see how. GW is AAA, made in part by Diablo developers. Is the graphics the best thing you have to bash about it? Because no one plays MMOs for graphics, or FFXIV would be the greatest MMO ever. :roll:

Read up on Guild Wars 2 instead of assuming it will be like the first. TOR will fail if it thinks it can provide months of full voiced story quests. I gurantee this with every fibre of my being. :wink:

The more i see Old Republic the more i think i'm gonna give it a shot.

the only MMO i've ever tried was DC Universe Online on PS3, and i failed to get into it due to lack of communication with the community. I felt like i was always grinding on my own.. and that gets old very fast.

A strong narrative story with voiced characters of the Bioware style games. yeah.

Count me in.

I have never been bitten hard by the MMO bug before, this may just be it.

and i like the Star Wars universe.

WoW clone of the year!

Vaasman