System Wars ideas that make me want to kick a ****ing dog

Alright guys, I've been staying cool for a while, refraining from going on any expletive riddled orgies of self indulgence that are "Rant Threads", but lately I have been seeing some fanboyish ideas/concepts that make me (in the words of Jackie E.) want to kick a ****ing dog.... or sumthin'.

So ladies and gentlemen, here it goes: my list of SW ideas that arethat are ****ing stupid beyond belief.

Stupid ****ing idea #1: JRPGS have to stay the same in order to be JRPGS.

Since when do all JRPGS have to be conventional turn-based affairs with stale 15 year old gameplay?
I see all these people hyping Lost Oddessy and Blue Dragon, even though those games show no signs of innovation and change whatsoever. Why would you hype gamesthat refuse to do anything new, when a perfectly new and innovative title called Eternal Sonata is sitting right in front of you? Stop hyping games that stand on 15+ year old crutches; you're only encouraging them to stay the same.

Stupid ****ing idea #2:The Wii's lack of power is irrelevant; the core gameplay can always be ported.

False. There are games that the Wii cannot handle, no matter how bad the graphics are downscaled. Look at Dead Rising: that game revolves around having hundreds upon hundreds of enemies onscreen at once, which is something the Wii simply cannot handle. Look at Stranglehold: The core gameplay of that game relies upon the Massive D physics system, which is something the Wii cannot handle.

Listen, I'm not saying the Wii doesn't/can't have good games, just stop acting like it can handle all gaming experiences so long as there is less graphical eye candy.

Stupid ****ing idea #3: Developer starpower = Game quality.

I've been seeing alot of this tripe lately with relation to Sakaguchi. For some reason, people tend to think that Starpower = good game. That simply is not true. One dev cannot ensure that a game is good, and one dev cannot sink a game by him/herself. Just because a dev has had success in the past, does not mean they will always get it right. Putting those kinds of expectations on one person is unfair.

Even Shigeru Miyamoto, the greatest dev of all time, messes up. Look at Geist.

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.

At some point we have to use reviews to guide us; can anyone here afford to play every single game that is released?

Stupid ****ing idea #5: (insert game company here) actually cares about the gamer.

No they don't. They care about money as they well should. They don't give a flying **** about you personally unless you are cutting directly into their money making. Yes guys, even Nintendo. :roll:

Alright cats, that's my list. I'd love to see yours. Feel free to post your Stupid ****ing Ideas.

Just try not to kick a ****ing dog.

jethrooooooooooooooooooooooooo vegassssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!

whoops sorry I just had a WOW moment *I know its Leroy Jenkins*

omg michael vick is on the boards ladies and gentlemen.

i had to after seeing the topic title. i couldnt help myself.

omg michael vick is on the boards ladies and gentlemen.xbox360isgr8t

omg michael vick is on the boards ladies and gentlemen.xbox360isgr8t

LMAO! nice one.

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.jetthrovegas

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

Pretty good points. You remind me of a Pepsi bottle that just exploded after being shaken too much.

Pretty good points. You remind me of a Pepsibottle that just exploded after being shaken too much.

dracula_16

You don't have to play a game to judge it? Thanks, I bet you're one of those people who look at others and single them out based on looks.

You can't do that, man.

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.Bansheesdie

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

Big Rigs/Gods and Generals/etc? And previews/reviews =/= just pictures and videos. They give an analysis of what makes a game good, bad, mediocre etc. It is just the site/publication's opinion, but these guys are professionals. It's safe to say that they usually know more about games than the people on your street or whatever.

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.Bansheesdie

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

And reading previews and reviews... GS exists for a reason, man.

[QUOTE="Bansheesdie"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.Jagazaar

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

Big Rigs/Gods and Generals/etc? And previews/reviews =/= just pictures and videos. They give an analysis of what makes a game good, bad, mediocre etc. It is just the site/publication's opinion, but these guys are professionals. It's safe to say that they usually know more about games than the people on your street or whatever.

Most everyone gave one of my favorite games for the PS2 an extremely low score.

A professional gave one of my most hated games a 9.6.

Most everyone gave one of my most hated games an extremely high score.

What games are these?

Driv3r and GTA:SA. I love Driv3r, and I hate GTA. How about that?

[QUOTE="Bansheesdie"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.jetthrovegas

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

And reading previews and reviews... GS exists for a reason, man.

Yes, and the reviews are based on the reviewers opinnion. Jeff gives tp a 8.9 and warioware a 9.1. Look at how many people that played both games and other reviewers dissagree with both those scores. And that's just 2 games, there are many more.

edit: and no, i'm not talking just about the scores, many people just agree or dissagree with what they say.

Big Rigs/Gods and Generals/etc? And previews/reviews =/= just pictures and videos. They give an analysis of what makes a game good, bad, mediocre etc. It is just the site/publication's opinion, but these guys are professionals. It's safe to say that they usually know more about games than the people on your street or whatever. Jagazaar

3.you can tell how good a game will be from screenshots or videos. -wrong. until you have the controller in your hand and are playing the game, you have absolutely no idea how good the game will turn out. system wars has a long history of flopped games because people can't seem to figure this out. stop hyping games based on how they look.

Just go to the System Was Myths Thread, Casey can straighten you out.

[QUOTE="Jagazaar"]Big Rigs/Gods and Generals/etc? And previews/reviews =/= just pictures and videos. They give an analysis of what makes a game good, bad, mediocre etc. It is just the site/publication's opinion, but these guys are professionals. It's safe to say that they usually know more about games than the people on your street or whatever. Bansheesdie

3.you can tell how good a game will be from screenshots or videos. -wrong. until you have the controller in your hand and are playing the game, you have absolutely no idea how good the game will turn out. system wars has a long history of flopped games because people can't seem to figure this out. stop hyping games based on how they look.

Just go to the System Was Myths Thread, Casey can straighten you out.

Casey isnt god..I'll punch him the face and tell him to hold that chump...but i agree with what you said

And reading previews and reviews... GS exists for a reason, man.jetthrovegas

Hows this, I hate Sands of Time. Even though its regarded as one of the greatest platformers ever. You have to play a game to know how good it is.

[QUOTE="Jagazaar"][QUOTE="Bansheesdie"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.nyoroism

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

Big Rigs/Gods and Generals/etc? And previews/reviews =/= just pictures and videos. They give an analysis of what makes a game good, bad, mediocre etc. It is just the site/publication's opinion, but these guys are professionals. It's safe to say that they usually know more about games than the people on your street or whatever.

Most everyone gave one of my favorite games for the PS2 an extremely low score.

A professional gave one of my most hated games a 9.6.

Most everyone gave one of my most hated games an extremely high score.

What games are these?

Driv3r and GTA:SA. I love Driv3r, and I hate GTA. How about that?

Fair enough, there's no guarantee that your opinion of a game will be the same as the reviewer's, or that of the mass market. Generally the reviews are there as just a guideline rather than an ultimatum, I probably should've been more specific, my bad.

For the record, I'm not a big GTA fan either. And (on a slightly unrelated note) I think God of War is grossly over-rated. But I've been spared from buying some games that looked good but turned out to be lame, so I guess it balances out to an extent.

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]And reading previews and reviews... GS exists for a reason, man.Bansheesdie

Hows this, I hate Sands of Time. Even though its regarded as one of the greatest platformers ever. You have to play a game to know how good it is.

I don't have the time or the money to play every game. So I check out the opinions of many reviewers, and make a decision.

For instance, would you buy/rent Fuzion Frenzy 2? I mean, you have to play it to know it sucks right???

[QUOTE="Jagazaar"]Big Rigs/Gods and Generals/etc? And previews/reviews =/= just pictures and videos. They give an analysis of what makes a game good, bad, mediocre etc. It is just the site/publication's opinion, but these guys are professionals. It's safe to say that they usually know more about games than the people on your street or whatever. Bansheesdie

3.you can tell how good a game will be from screenshots or videos. -wrong. until you have the controller in your hand and are playing the game, you have absolutely no idea how good the game will turn out. system wars has a long history of flopped games because people can't seem to figure this out. stop hyping games based on how they look.

Just go to the System Was Myths Thread, Casey can straighten you out.

I just said I wasn't hyping based on looks/videos. I was using the reviews and impressions of the finished product as a guideline. Not always accurate admittedly, but I find it works for the most part. So please don't patronize me.

I don't have the time or the money to play every game. So I check out the opinions of many reviewers, and make a decision.

For instance, would you buy/rent Fuzion Frenzy 2? I mean, you have to play it to know it sucks right???

jetthrovegas

Lack of funds is not the point, I rented Sands of Time because I thought I would enjoy it. I didn't. But I did buy Warrior Within and thought it was much better all around even though it was rated lower and less appreciated.

Your continued argument about sub-par games and how you can tell they are good or bad by just looking at pictures is totaly wrong. You cannot generalize to prove a point.

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]I don't have the time or the money to play every game. So I check out the opinions of many reviewers, and make a decision.

For instance, would you buy/rent Fuzion Frenzy 2? I mean, you have to play it to know it sucks right???

Bansheesdie

Lack of funds is not the point, I rented Sands of Time because I thought I would enjoy it. I didn't. But I did buy Warrior Within and thought it was much better all around even though it was rated lower and less appreciated.

Your continued argument about sub-par games and how you can tell they are good or bad by just looking at pictures is totaly wrong. You cannot generalize to prove a point.

I cannot tell only by "pictures" or "videos" but if a game has a 60.8% rating on GR, it probably is not as good as a game with a 94.3% rating on GR.

All of these reviewers can't be wrong... at some point you have to trust reviews just a little.

Alright guys, I've been staying cool for a while, refraining from going on any expletive riddled orgies of self indulgence that are "Rant Threads", but lately I have been seeing some fanboyish ideas/concepts that make me (in the words of Jackie E.) want to kick a ****ing dog.... or sumthin'.

So ladies and gentlemen, here it goes: my list of SW ideas that arethat are ****ing stupid beyond belief.

Stupid ****ing idea #1: JRPGS have to stay the same in order to be JRPGS.

Since when do all JRPGS have to be conventional turn-based affairs with stale 15 year old gameplay?
I see all these people hyping Lost Oddessy and Blue Dragon, even though those games show no signs of innovation and change whatsoever. Why would you hype gamesthat refuse to do anything new, when a perfectly new and innovative title called Eternal Sonata is sitting right in front of you? Stop hyping games that stand on 15+ year old crutches; you're only encouraging them to stay the same.

Stupid ****ing idea #2:The Wii's lack of power is irrelevant; the core gameplay can always be ported.

False. There are games that the Wii cannot handle, no matter how bad the graphics are downscaled. Look at Dead Rising: that game revolves around having hundreds upon hundreds of enemies onscreen at once, which is something the Wii simply cannot handle. Look at Stranglehold: The core gameplay of that game relies upon the Massive D physics system, which is something the Wii cannot handle.

Listen, I'm not saying the Wii doesn't/can't have good games, just stop acting like it can handle all gaming experiences so long as there is less graphical eye candy.

Stupid ****ing idea #3: Developer starpower = Game quality.

I've been seeing alot of this tripe lately with relation to Sakaguchi. For some reason, people tend to think that Starpower = good game. That simply is not true. One dev cannot ensure that a game is good, and one dev cannot sink a game by him/herself. Just because a dev has had success in the past, does not mean they will always get it right. Putting those kinds of expectations on one person is unfair.

Even Shigeru Miyamoto, the greatest dev of all time, messes up. Look at Geist.

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.

Stupid ****ing idea #5: (insert game company here) actually cares about the gamer.

No they don't. They care about money as they well should. They don't give a flying **** about you personally unless you are cutting directly into their money making. Yes guys, even Nintendo. :roll:

Alright cats, that's my list. I'd love to see yours. Feel free to post your Stupid ****ing Ideas.

Just try not to kick a ****ing dog.

jetthrovegas

You don't have to play a game to judge it? Thanks, I bet you're one of those people who look at others and single them out based on looks.

You can't do that, man.

nyoroism

I agree there have been alot of great games that have been underated i'm glad that i dont think the same way as the op that way i would have missed alot of games. And could you stop writing the word " ****ing " its ok 1 or 2 times but then it but when you repeat it alot it gets annoying.

Mmm, Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey are going to rock. :)BioShockOwnz

Perhaps, but ultimately a lack of innovation will do more harm than good.

What do you think of Eternal Sonata?

[QUOTE="Jagazaar"]Big Rigs/Gods and Generals/etc? And previews/reviews =/= just pictures and videos. They give an analysis of what makes a game good, bad, mediocre etc. It is just the site/publication's opinion, but these guys are professionals. It's safe to say that they usually know more about games than the people on your street or whatever. Bansheesdie

3.you can tell how good a game will be from screenshots or videos. -wrong. until you have the controller in your hand and are playing the game, you have absolutely no idea how good the game will turn out. system wars has a long history of flopped games because people can't seem to figure this out. stop hyping games based on how they look.

Just go to the System Was Myths Thread, Casey can straighten you out.

So until I am playing Barbie Horse Adventure I have absolutely no idea how good the game will turn out?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Mmm, Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey are going to rock. :)jetthrovegas

Perhaps, but ultimately a lack of innovation will do more harm than good.

What do you think of Eternal Sonata?

I think it's a great games (judging from demo). I really like the combination of real-time and turn-based combat.

You don't have to play a game to judge it? Thanks, I bet you're one of those people who look at others and single them out based on looks.

You can't do that, man.

nyoroism

I judge games based on alot of reviews and research...not just looks.

Although good looks can only help...

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.Bansheesdie

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

that goes against one of my busted myths. :o

This thread is full of WIN! :P

[QUOTE="Bansheesdie"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.CaseyWegner

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

that goes against one of my busted myths. :o

Your busted myth deals only with the appearence of the game (videos, pics, etc), I am stating that I have every right to judge a game based on reviews and previews by sites like GS.

Do reviewers always get it right? No... but a GR average is a reasonable indicator of a games quality.

i disagree with two points

one, the wii may not give you the exact same experienceyou get froma more powerful system, especially with games that require the graphics, but nontheless you can achieve the same quality of games..... Also the same goes the other way...a more powerful system may not give you the same experienceyou get fromthe wii, especially with games that require motion control, but you can achieve the same quality of games...

two, judging without sufficient knowledge....is called ignorance.....by the way

two, judging without sufficient knowledge....is called ignorance.....by the way

anasbouzid

Can reviews not give me sufficient knowledge? I do not have the time/money to play every game. A GR ranking is a good indicator of a games quality.

[QUOTE="Jagazaar"][QUOTE="Bansheesdie"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

Stupid ****ing idea #4: You have to play a game in order to earn the right to judge it.

I've been hearing this phrase alot: "Until you play the game you have no right to judge it."Yes I do; I have every right to judge games I have not played. That is why GS exists.

If I played every piece of **** that came along just so I could have the right to judge it, I would be ****ing broke.
Videos and previews are here for a reason. Let's ****ing use them.nyoroism

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

Big Rigs/Gods and Generals/etc? And previews/reviews =/= just pictures and videos. They give an analysis of what makes a game good, bad, mediocre etc. It is just the site/publication's opinion, but these guys are professionals. It's safe to say that they usually know more about games than the people on your street or whatever.

Most everyone gave one of my favorite games for the PS2 an extremely low score.

A professional gave one of my most hated games a 9.6.

Most everyone gave one of my most hated games an extremely high score.

What games are these?

Driv3r and GTA:SA. I love Driv3r, and I hate GTA. How about that?

driv3r is one of your favourites but you hate GTA:SA? oh...my...

[QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

two, judging without sufficient knowledge....is called ignorance.....by the way

jetthrovegas

Can reviews not give me sufficient knowledge? I do not have the time/money to play every game. A GR ranking is a good indicator of a games quality.

Reviews, the actual text and not just the score, can give you a lot of information as to whether YOU personally should buy a game as you know what you like. If a review says how amazing a game is due to its open ended sand box elements and you hate open ended sandbox games then that might tell you not to buy the game even though it is a major factor in the game getting a positive review and score.

omg michael vick is on the boards ladies and gentlemen.

i had to after seeing the topic title. i couldnt help myself.

xbox360isgr8t

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]

omg michael vick is on the boards ladies and gentlemen.

i had to after seeing the topic title. i couldnt help myself.

musicalmac

Yeah, that was pretty good, if I do say so myself. :lol:

Since when can someone not judge a game from watching it? If you don't enjoy what you're seeing on a screen, I doubt you're going to enjoy it more by controlling it.

heres what i hate from a typical fanboy "Killzone 1 sucked so kz2 will be teh suckzz also!!" blues3531

Agreed. The past failures of aseries do not gurantee the failure of it's sequel... nor do its past victories ensure its success.

Also, KZ2 has a huge dev team and a 20 million dollar budget, so at the very least it will look damn fine.

Youre not making much sense with your last point. I mean...you cant judge a game until you have played it. You have all the right to purchase a game based on its reviews, but you cant go around saying that a game sucks if you havent even played it.FireXero

Fusion Frenzy 2 sucks. I have never played it, but I know it sucks.

Same with Big Rigs, Barbie Horse Adventure, and Bomberman Act Zero.

A GR ranking is a good indicator of a games quality.

I do not have the time or the money to play every game. Reviews are crucial.

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

Bansheesdie

Not completely. but I think the TC is saying that you can get a pretty darn good idea. I mean, a lot of us have been around for quite a while. We've seen many games in many gens on many consoles. A video of gameplay (when the video is of quality, like gametrailers.com HD trailers) can tell you a lot about a game. At least enough to base a decent opinion.

As the TC says, how can you possible play all of the games?

[QUOTE="Bansheesdie"]

Your kidding right, so you can judge the quality of a game by just watching videos and looking at screens?

dubvisions

Not completely. but I think the TC is saying that you can get a pretty darn good idea. I mean, a lot of us have been around for quite a while. We've seen many games in many gens on many consoles. A video of gameplay (when the video is of quality, like gametrailers.com HD trailers) can tell you a lot about a game. At least enough to base a decent opinion.

As the TC says, how can you possible play all of the games?

Exactly, and hey man, your sig clip is hilarious. :lol: