Taste in Games - 360 vs Wii - Hard Numbers

[QUOTE="Eponique"]God knows why you put Wii Play in there.subrosian

The thing is-People don't say "ZOMGZ, GH2 KUMZ WIT PLASTIC GITAR, LET'S BAI". They buy it for the game. I'll give you Crackdown. But do you really think Wii Play would've been as popular without the Wiimote bundled?

Interesting to say the least but not at all surprising. The 360 gamers have chosen great games and the Wii owners not so much.

That said, for the many Wii fans making the excuse ( they always want to have it both ways ) that the 360 been out longer are probably the very ones who love to site " teh sales " !!

If the Wii has almost the same number of units sold as the 360 like the Wii fans like to say than what the hell does it matter that the 360 launched first ?

The Wii has been out long enough and should have already had dozens of great games if it was really a great system - it's not !

It's a good thing Nintendo makes a killing on the hardware b/c they sure cant rely on software sales.

The OP states the cold hard facts - deal with it and enough with all the excuses already.

SecretPolice

3rd parties have been showed the 360 much more love in the same time period than they have as of yet for the Wii.

From looking at your 360 list, it mainly consists of shooters, shooters, shooters, some racers, and sports games; pretty much every genre I hate. So if what you say is true, that the sales for these games indicates what will be made for the system in the future, then tell me why I should get a 360?But seriously I know that the 360 will get more than just shooters, racers, and sports games as can be seen with the upcoming fall line up, just like I hope you know deep down that the Wii will get more than just mini games.

And yes some of those million sellers on the Wii side are crappy, but what do you expect us to buy. Lets talk about the third party games. If we buy the crap, haters complain that crap games sell and Nintendo supporters are killing gaming, but if we don't buy it, then yall say see third party games don't sell on a Nintendo console. So what are we to do? Are we can hope for is that third parties putmore effort into their games, and they will have to if they want to compete with Nintendo's offerings.

Sorryif this seems like rambling, but I'm trying to type all thisfast cause I'm late for work.

subrosian,the problem that I have with those numbers are that,well,of course,if a bad game sells a million,I still don't have to buy it,so while,let's say,Wii Fitness,SMG,SSBB and MP3 are out,I'll only buy the last 3. While I know you're trying to paint a picture of the 360 and Wii fanbase,most of us here won't buy Red Steel or Wii Fit,so our game collection score average may be higher. Translation:I don't buy every million seller.Greyhound222

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Eponique"]God knows why you put Wii Play in there.Eponique

The thing is-People don't say "ZOMGZ, GH2 KUMZ WIT PLASTIC GITAR, LET'S BAI". They buy it for the game. I'll give you Crackdown. But do you really think Wii Play would've been as popular without the Wiimote bundled?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Interesting to say the least but not at all surprising. The 360 gamers have chosen great games and the Wii owners not so much.

That said, for the many Wii fans making the excuse ( they always want to have it both ways ) that the 360 been out longer are probably the very ones who love to site " teh sales " !!

If the Wii has almost the same number of units sold as the 360 like the Wii fans like to say than what the hell does it matter that the 360 launched first ?

The Wii has been out long enough and should have already had dozens of great games if it was really a great system - it's not !

It's a good thing Nintendo makes a killing on the hardware b/c they sure cant rely on software sales.

The OP states the cold hard facts - deal with it and enough with all the excuses already.

Jandurin

3rd parties have been showed the 360 much more love in the same time period than they have as of yet for the Wii.

I am not so hardcore and really love to play lighthearted games sometimes and Nintendo over the years provided plenty but this new Nintendo does sorta rub me the wrong way and the loyal fans sometimes are loyal to the detriment of a game company ( Nintendo ) that I was a big fan of but it's been very hard to sit back and watch as this fan base encourages them to go even further down this path of sybolysm over substance.

From looking at your 360 list, it mainly consists of shooters, shooters, shooters, some racers, and sports games; pretty much every genre I hate. So if what you say is true, that the sales for these games indicates what will be made for the system in the future, then tell me why I should get a 360?But seriously I know that the 360 will get more than just shooters, racers, and sports games as can be seen with the upcoming fall line up, just like I hope you know deep down that the Wii will get more than just mini games.

And yes some of those million sellers on the Wii side are crappy, but what do you expect us to buy. Lets talk about the third party games. If we buy the crap, haters complain that crap games sell and Nintendo supporters are killing gaming, but if we don't buy it, then yall say see third party games don't sell on a Nintendo console. So what are we to do? Are we can hope for is that third parties putmore effort into their games, and they will have to if they want to compete with Nintendo's offerings.

Sorryif this seems like rambling, but I'm trying to type all thisfast cause I'm late for work.

peaceful_anger

[QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]I really think you should take Wii play off. I mean those Burger king games on the 360 are about 5 buck and they are million sellers I think. Wii play is also around 5 bucks so why should it be included?subrosian

Unlike the guitar that comes with Guitar Hero 2 or the Eye Toy for Eye Toy games, the Wii Remote that came with Wii Play is standardized and would thus have much more use over a guitar or Eye Toy.

Buying a game just because it comes with a non-standardized controller doesn't make sense, but buying a game with a standardized controller does.

You can keep Wii Play up there if you want, but it's something to consider.

I think the major flaw in this thread is that the Wii just doesn't have as many great games as the 360. Think about it, people who get a Wii need games to play. For example, under normal circumstances I wouldn't have touched Red Steel. However, I picked up when I got a Wii for Christmas.

I'm not sure what the Wii's overall sales are in the US hardware wise, but I'd say it's definitely over 3-4 million. And I'd bet that over a million are "hardcore gamers" like myself. What else do we have to buy? If there were better quality games out right now, I'd be willing to bet that some of those wouldn't be million sellers. Red Steel is ,once again, a good example.

Plus, the X-Box 360 has been out for a whole year longer than the Wii. I'm not saying it would change things, but someone should put up the X-Box 360's million sellers for it's first 8 months only. That would be a more accurate picture.

I think that this fight is flawed by two factors, at least that I found. 1. You are using VGCharts. It has been commonly stated that they are not allowed to be used in system wars, at least to sheep who try, and as such, fire against the Wii should then also not be permitted. Simply put, multiple reasources would resolve this issue. 2. You are using GS ratings, which are not the cummulative rating on the game. You should, rather, use gamerankings. More people would feel comfortable with that. Another thing you might want to consider is how many of those 360s can actually play those "obviously" higher quality games given the current, chaotic state Microsoft is in about the faulty harware.coreygames

Nah it's just some have said the TC was an " idiot " for making the comparison b/c of the time frame and well I flew off.

I am not so hardcore and really love to play lighthearted games sometimes and Nintendo over the years provided plenty but this new Nintendo does sorta rub me the wrong way and the loyal fans sometimes are loyal to the detriment of a game company ( Nintendo ) that I was a big fan of but it's been very hard to sit back and watch as this fan base encourages them to go even further down this path of sybolysm over substance.

SecretPolice

I didn't like Nintendo's direction last gen, I'm intrigued this gen.

As soon as the "big 3" are out, I'll have decided exactly how I feel about the Wii for good.

[QUOTE="coreygames"]I think that this fight is flawed by two factors, at least that I found. 1. You are using VGCharts. It has been commonly stated that they are not allowed to be used in system wars, at least to sheep who try, and as such, fire against the Wii should then also not be permitted. Simply put, multiple reasources would resolve this issue. 2. You are using GS ratings, which are not the cummulative rating on the game. You should, rather, use gamerankings. More people would feel comfortable with that. Another thing you might want to consider is how many of those 360s can actually play those "obviously" higher quality games given the current, chaotic state Microsoft is in about the faulty harware.subrosian

I think the major flaw in this thread is that the Wii just doesn't have as many great games as the 360. Think about it, people who get a Wii need games to play. For example, under normal circumstances I wouldn't have touched Red Steel. However, I picked up when I got a Wii for Christmas.

I'm not sure what the Wii's overall sales are in the US hardware wise, but I'd say it's definitely over 3-4 million. And I'd bet that over a million are "hardcore gamers" like myself. What else do we have to buy? If there were better quality games out right now, I'd be willing to bet that some of those wouldn't be million sellers. Red Steel is ,once again, a good example.

Plus, the X-Box 360 has been out for a whole year longer than the Wii. I'm not saying it would change things, but someone should put up the X-Box 360's million sellers for it's first 8 months only. That would be a more accurate picture.

TreyoftheDead

What are you complaining about this cheap shot for? What was the point in this thread other than to say that the collective of Wii owners, more directly sheep, are people whould rather buy poor or underwhelming games because they either will buy anything Nintendo puts out or have low standards. That, my friend, is a cheap shot. At least the attack wasn't on you, but Microsoft.coreygames

RRR deserves to be there as a launch window third party Wario Ware was always destined to make it on, and isn't a bad game, Wii sports for sure, SPM and Zelda, obviously. Mario Party always sells more than a million, doesn't it?

So, the only "problems" are Red Steel and Wii play (which comes with a controller). And the lack of really good games.

6/8 isn't bad, they just need more games. Which will come at the end of this year into the next.

As subrosian himself stated.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"] Nah it's just some have said the TC was an " idiot " for making the comparison b/c of the time frame and well I flew off.

I am not so hardcore and really love to play lighthearted games sometimes and Nintendo over the years provided plenty but this new Nintendo does sorta rub me the wrong way and the loyal fans sometimes are loyal to the detriment of a game company ( Nintendo ) that I was a big fan of but it's been very hard to sit back and watch as this fan base encourages them to go even further down this path of sybolysm over substance.

Jandurin

I didn't like Nintendo's direction last gen, I'm intrigued this gen.

As soon as the "big 3" are out, I'll have decided exactly how I feel about the Wii for good.

If they should turn out to be great games and sorta brings back to me the feeling of the old Nintendo; I will that very day go out and buy the Wii with all the games and controllers and spend like $500.00 - I've done it before - N64 :)

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="coreygames"]I think that this fight is flawed by two factors, at least that I found. 1. You are using VGCharts. It has been commonly stated that they are not allowed to be used in system wars, at least to sheep who try, and as such, fire against the Wii should then also not be permitted. Simply put, multiple reasources would resolve this issue. 2. You are using GS ratings, which are not the cummulative rating on the game. You should, rather, use gamerankings. More people would feel comfortable with that. Another thing you might want to consider is how many of those 360s can actually play those "obviously" higher quality games given the current, chaotic state Microsoft is in about the faulty harware.coreygames

That does not change that the cold, hard numbers here suggest that the Xbox 360 million sellers are of higher average quality (8.65 vs 7.49), and that Xbox 360 owners seek higher quality titles in general (not a single million seller below a 7.0). Removing Wii Sports from the equation (as it is a pack-in title) and the Wii "million seller" average score falls to 7.44. An interpretive glance over the list also gives a good indication of the differing tastes.

The Xbox 360 lists is overall dominated by traditional core titles, with a large minority of casual titles. The Wii, on the other hand, is dominated by titles that appeal to a casual / non-traditional fanbase, with two titles with explicit core appeal.
subrosian

Secondly, why are we determining quality based purely upon the GS review score? I personally would give Red Steel a 7.5, a score well above what Greg K gave it. Why is his opinion more relevant? Because he gets paid? So what?

Further, one thing I get from the Wii list is that the Wii has not gotten proper support from third parties. Look at the list of 360 games. I count only four games on that million seller list from MS 1st or 2nd party devs. Beyond that, it's all third party support. However, the Wii has not had that benefit. Third parties were far behind the curve when it comes to the Wii and that's why it hasn't recieved stronger support. Plus, look at the more hardcore games that have sold well, regardless of if they hit a million. So what if it doesn't reach our all-too-human infatuation with big, round numbers? It still sold well.

And finally, so what? I would consider myself a core gamer, yet I own several of the "non-core" games on that list. Why? Because they're good, fun games to play, especially with friends. Perhaps that's why these games have sold well. Not because it's just the casuals and non-gamers, but because they're good, fun games that can be enjoyed by all, irrelevant of whatever number GS gives them.

Yeah, Subrosian, you've given us some hard numbers, but I honestly fail to see the applicability of them.

Red Steel sold because of the hype and the fact that it was a launch game.

It's a bit unfair to compare PS3 and Wii sales and libraires with a console that is over a year old.

So, the only "problems" are Red Steel and Wii play (which comes with a controller). And the lack of really good games.Jandurin

And as for Red Steel, am I the only one who thought that game was good?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, the only "problems" are Red Steel and Wii play (which comes with a controller). And the lack of really good games.Hoffgod

And as for Red Steel, am I the only one who thought that game was good?

But... 5.5 makes me think it was something that maybe shouldn't have sold a million.

Wii play as a game alone is a problem selling at $50. Considering the controller, it'll probably have the longer legs than any other game... period.

Oh, and that's why I put problems into "quotes".

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

I think the major flaw in this thread is that the Wii just doesn't have as many great games as the 360. Think about it, people who get a Wii need games to play. For example, under normal circumstances I wouldn't have touched Red Steel. However, I picked up when I got a Wii for Christmas.

I'm not sure what the Wii's overall sales are in the US hardware wise, but I'd say it's definitely over 3-4 million. And I'd bet that over a million are "hardcore gamers" like myself. What else do we have to buy? If there were better quality games out right now, I'd be willing to bet that some of those wouldn't be million sellers. Red Steel is ,once again, a good example.

Plus, the X-Box 360 has been out for a whole year longer than the Wii. I'm not saying it would change things, but someone should put up the X-Box 360's million sellers for it's first 8 months only. That would be a more accurate picture.

subrosian

How is how long a system has been out not relevant? The X-Box 360 has been out longer than the Wii and has therefore had a chance to gain more high quality million sellers. Why does it not matter?

Ok, so the X-Box 360 doesn't have a million seller below A. If anything that gives more weight to my argument. I just looked over the 360 list again and with the exception of 4 or 5 games I'd buy all of those games if I owned the System. Why would people need to make desperation buys when a system, as I stated, has a larger number of quality games than the Wii. Let's say the Wii had the X-Box 360's library, would some of those games that are million sellers for the Wii still be million sellers?

I know it's not possible treat the answer of the question as fact, because for all we know those games you listed could still be million sellers. It's just something to think about. I'd say if you want to prove that the tastes of the Wii userbase is in question you should list all of the Wii's quality games, million seller or not, and put it up against the million seller list. However, I don't think it's very fair to use the 360's superior library against the Wii's weaker one and say 360 users as a whole have better taste in games.

You're seeing me through a pair of googles, take them off, read what I've said.subrosian

Funny actions for someone who thinks Nintendo makes terrible games...You

[QUOTE="subrosian"]That does not change that the cold, hard numbers here suggest that the Xbox 360 million sellers are of higher average quality (8.65 vs 7.49), and that Xbox 360 owners seek higher quality titles in general (not a single million seller below a 7.0). Removing Wii Sports from the equation (as it is a pack-in title) and the Wii "million seller" average score falls to 7.44. An interpretive glance over the list also gives a good indication of the differing tastes.

The Xbox 360 lists is overall dominated by traditional core titles, with a large minority of casual titles. The Wii, on the other hand, is dominated by titles that appeal to a casual / non-traditional fanbase, with two titles with explicit core appeal.
Hoffgod

Secondly, why are we determining quality based purely upon the GS review score? I personally would give Red Steel a 7.5, a score well above what Greg K gave it. Why is his opinion more relevant? Because he gets paid? So what?

And finally, one thing I get from the Wii list is that the Wii has not gotten proper support from third parties. Look at the list of 360 games. I count only four games on that million seller list from MS 1st or 2nd party devs. Beyond that, it's all third party support. However, the Wii has not had that benefit. Third parties were far behind the curve when it comes to the Wii and that's why it hasn't recieved stronger support. Plus, look at the more hardcore games that have sold well, regardless of if they hit a million. So what if it doesn't reach our all-too-human infatuation with big, round numbers? It still sold well.

And finally, so what? I would consider myself a core gamer, yet I own several of the "non-core" games on that list. Why? Because they're good, fun games to play, especially with friends. Perhaps that's why these games have sold well. Not because it's just the casuals and non-gamers, but because they're good, fun games that can be enjoyed by all, irrelevant of whatever number GS gives them.

Yeah, Subrosian, you've given us some hard numbers, but I honestly fail to see the applicability of them.

Also. How many shooters do the Xbox crowd need :shock:.

Dayum.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

I think the major flaw in this thread is that the Wii just doesn't have as many great games as the 360. Think about it, people who get a Wii need games to play. For example, under normal circumstances I wouldn't have touched Red Steel. However, I picked up when I got a Wii for Christmas.

I'm not sure what the Wii's overall sales are in the US hardware wise, but I'd say it's definitely over 3-4 million. And I'd bet that over a million are "hardcore gamers" like myself. What else do we have to buy? If there were better quality games out right now, I'd be willing to bet that some of those wouldn't be million sellers. Red Steel is ,once again, a good example.

Plus, the X-Box 360 has been out for a whole year longer than the Wii. I'm not saying it would change things, but someone should put up the X-Box 360's million sellers for it's first 8 months only. That would be a more accurate picture.

TreyoftheDead

How is how long a system has been out not relevant? The X-Box 360 has been out longer than the Wii and has therefore had a chance to gain more high quality million sellers. Why does it not matter?

Ok, so the X-Box 360 doesn't have a million seller below A. If anything that gives more weight to my argument. I just looked over the 360 list again and with the exception of 4 or 5 games I'd buy all of those games if I owned the System. Why would people need to make desperation buys when a system, as I stated, has a larger number of quality games than the Wii. Let's say the Wii had the X-Box 360's library, would some of those games that are million sellers for the Wii still be million sellers?

I know it's not possible treat the answer of the question as fact, because for all we know those games you listed could still be million sellers. It's just something to think about. I'd say if you want to prove that the tastes of the Wii userbase is in question you should list all of the Wii's quality games, million seller or not, and put it up against the million seller list. However, I don't think it's very fair to use the 360's superior library against the Wii's weaker one and say 360 users as a whole have better taste in games.

Also. How many shooters do the Xbox crowd need :shock:.

Dayum.

Jandurin

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, the only "problems" are Red Steel and Wii play (which comes with a controller). And the lack of really good games.Jandurin

And as for Red Steel, am I the only one who thought that game was good?

But... 5.5 makes me think it was something that maybe shouldn't have sold a million.

Wii play as a game alone is a problem selling at $50. Considering the controller, it'll probably have the longer legs than any other game... period.

Oh, and that's why I put problems into "quotes".

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

I think the major flaw in this thread is that the Wii just doesn't have as many great games as the 360. Think about it, people who get a Wii need games to play. For example, under normal circumstances I wouldn't have touched Red Steel. However, I picked up when I got a Wii for Christmas.

I'm not sure what the Wii's overall sales are in the US hardware wise, but I'd say it's definitely over 3-4 million. And I'd bet that over a million are "hardcore gamers" like myself. What else do we have to buy? If there were better quality games out right now, I'd be willing to bet that some of those wouldn't be million sellers. Red Steel is ,once again, a good example.

Plus, the X-Box 360 has been out for a whole year longer than the Wii. I'm not saying it would change things, but someone should put up the X-Box 360's million sellers for it's first 8 months only. That would be a more accurate picture.

subrosian

The fact of the matter is Red Steel was a Launch game, and one that had lots of promise/hype. Of course it sold millions. Look at PDZ, gamespot got carried away and gave that game AAA, because it was one of the first games to come out for the 360 and to support HD. And guess what it also sold millions.

As for WII Play, it is a general conceses that it sold that much based on the fact that it came bundeled with a controller. How can you base the publics taste on gaming on that when you yourself have said that it would not have sold anywere near a million without the controller.

Also something to take note of is that just because you have bought a game does not mean that you will end up likeing it, god knows I have bought a number of games that I have regreted getting. So what if lots of people bought Red Steel, as I have mentioned before it had promise and an interesting premise. However if you went and asked those people who bought it if they would buy it again given the choise, I am pretty sure most of them would say no. Same asa numberof those who bought PDZ have sayed it was overhyped and overscored on GS, and regret buying it.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, the only "problems" are Red Steel and Wii play (which comes with a controller). And the lack of really good games.Hoffgod

And as for Red Steel, am I the only one who thought that game was good?

But... 5.5 makes me think it was something that maybe shouldn't have sold a million.

Wii play as a game alone is a problem selling at $50. Considering the controller, it'll probably have the longer legs than any other game... period.

Oh, and that's why I put problems into "quotes".

STAT.

Different, and I would argue there are more new gamers on the Wii who might not have been as aware of game-review sites / mags, who likely are now, because shoddy games have not been selling as well as they did at launch. There was an air of excitement when the Wii came out and lots of people who bought into the system were buying whatever games were on the shelf because it was intriguing.

My point is that the tastes are different... and yes, 360 owners have avoided bad games better, most likely because they were gamers with more experience gaming, who simply were not as easily impressed, or because there were better games out in that first eight months? It depends how you want to take it.
subrosian

What we really need to know I think is something that's impossible to obtain, how many Wii owners are casual as opposed to hardcore? If the Wii userbase majority consists of casuals and non-gamers with not much gaming experience to help aid their decision on which games to buy, then is that really poor taste in games? I don't think ignorance and bad taste is the same thing, ignorance is simply lack of taste. On the otherhand, if the Wii userbase majority is hardcore gamers, then I'd say your argument would have a bit more weight.

However, I stand by my argument that if the Wii had a library as strong as the 360's, less of those games would be million sellers. Though I must admit that maybe that also depends on who the majority is in the Wii's fanbase. Maybe.

I guess I deserve the silent treatment?coreygames

At least you didn't get a non-response like I did :evil:.

[QUOTE="hiho24"]It shows that Wii has more potency in the market. They can have lower scores and less games yet they sell at a much higher rate. subrosian

quality like xbxo 360 hardware? also just cus gamespot does not like a game does not make it bad. thats just there veiw on it . i love red steel but they think its garbage . on 360s list i see shooter after shooter at least wii trys somthing new . also its not fair to compare a list of a system that is 2 years old vs a system thats not even a year old

Well, I tried to ask Subrosian what was the purpose of this thread if it was not, in some way or degree, suppose to put down Wii owners. I'm still without answer.coreygames

Well, the converse, actually.

Dencore's purpose was obvious to subrosian, but not the "core" argument.

You get the "core" argument of subrosian's, but not the purpose.

Funny.

Why didn't you list the top sellers that didn't reach a million?

Sonic 310,000 copies

Trauma Center around 150,000 copies

Resident Evil 4 300,000 copies *and still growing*

Dragon Quest Swords 370,000 so far

Tiger Woods PGA Tour

The 360 only had only a few more million sellers then the Wii.

THESE are the highest selling non-million games. So nice trying to switchblade an arguement.

Hey how did the other ports/minigames sell again?

Prince of Persia Rival Swords 90,000 copies shipped, but failed to break the shipment *sold around 52,000 copies*

SSX Blur disappeared after only 32,000 copies were sold

Busta Move Bash disappeared from list when it had less then 30,000 copies sold

Blazing Angels of WWII for the Wii, failed to break it's first 50,000 shipment

Cooking Mama disappeared from list when 42,000 copies were only sold

Well, the converse, actually.

Dencore's purpose was obvious to subrosian, but not the "core" argument.

You get the "core" argument of subrosian's, but not the purpose.

Funny.

Jandurin

What's funny is that he couldn't think up an argument in my thread, so he created this thread which totally contridicts what my thread has prooved about how casual games don't outsell traditional. He probably saw that and got scared so now he made this thread to make him feel better.

Well, I tried to ask Subrosian what was the purpose of this thread if it was not, in some way or degree, suppose to put down Wii owners. I'm still without answer.coreygames

I thought he explained this to you already ?

Here's what I see from those lists as an owner of both systems:

360=12 games where shooting things features heavily(don't want to get into an arguement over shooter vs sandbox if guns are a big part of the gameplay it's enough shooter to turn me off), 4 racing, 1 sport, and 1 RPG which =1 game that I own or would consider buying.

Wii=1 platformer, 1 adventure, 1 sport, 1 shooter, 4 party/mini games=7 games I own

Yes, the games on 360 are higher rated, but they are also rated by people that fit that same "core gamer" profile that those games are aimed at. You'd hate to see the scores I'd give most of the 360 games because they aren't MY type of game. Perhaps the same is true with Wii games, they don't appeal to "core gamers" so get rated lower. My own judge of the quality of a game is how much I enjoyed it, so personally I could care less if no Wii game ever scored above 8.0 as long as I enjoyed playing it.

Personally I see a lot more choices as far as types of games in the Wii's current and future line up than I do 360's. I have games on each to look forward too, but the Wii list is a fair bit larger. Every gamer, including males between the ages of 15-35 does not enjoy blowing things up or watching cars go around in a circle.

but your facts are based on opinions (reviews) so it's hard to treat your accessment as fact.

after all there may be many ppl that have more fun with something like wiisports than PD0. it's just that on this forum as well as the reviewer doesn't think so.

Are these million sellers relevant? Absolutely! It explains *why* Nintendo says "Wii Fitness is a flagship title" and why the're putting the big talent (miyamoto) in on Galaxy and Fitness, because those titles combined will make them a lot of money. Is it obvious that that is the case? Yes! But do the numbers provide a pretty solid evidence for that? Yes.subrosian

Now yes, this is also true for the Xbox 360 and PS3, but the margin is slimmer. The same analyst estimations place the break-even point for those consoles at around 600-700k, half the in-between margin of the Wii.

So yes, the million sellers are very relevant, but they give us an incomplete picture, especially with the Wii.

Are these million sellers relevant? Absolutely! It explains *why* Nintendo says "Wii Fitness is a flagship title" and why the're putting the big talent (miyamoto) in on Galaxy and Fitness, because those titles combined will make them a lot of money. Is it obvious that that is the case? Yes! But do the numbers provide a pretty solid evidence for that? Yes.subrosian

:lol: This is just plain ridiculous I prooved in my other thread that the traditional games aren't going to die. Also why didn't you list the highest non-million sellers? Because your point goes to garbage that's why. Also Mario is one of the best platformers out there and much better then Jak and Daxter or any other PoS industrial platformers out nowadays. I also explained in the other thread that Nintendo is publishing more gamer games this year then Microsoft and as much as SONY at retail Not only that but I also explained in the thread how companies make much more money by actually putting effort in a traditional game then just shovelware since they make much more profit that way. Your argument is just pathetic and I could see why you left my previous post because you knew you couldn't say anything about it.

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Never played it :).

But... 5.5 makes me think it was something that maybe shouldn't have sold a million.

Wii play as a game alone is a problem selling at $50. Considering the controller, it'll probably have the longer legs than any other game... period.

Oh, and that's why I put problems into "quotes".

Jandurin

STAT.

Anyways, what I meant to say is that it's not a great game, but it's fun and it's not without merit. I can see why people hate it, but I just view things differently.

Plus, I seem to have this bizare attraction to recent 5.5 games. Bullet Witch, Touch the Dead, Project Sylpheed... loved them all. Great fun.

Either way, it's at least not a slapdash port (ie PoP Wii) or a broken bit of shovelware (ie Rapalla Fishing), so you have to give them credit for actually trying.

[QUOTE="coreygames"]Well, I tried to ask Subrosian what was the purpose of this thread if it was not, in some way or degree, suppose to put down Wii owners. I'm still without answer.SecretPolice

I thought he explained this to you already ?

Anyways, what I meant to say is that it's not a great game, but it's fun and it's not without merit. I can see why people hate it, but I just view things differently.Hoffgod

Good times. Was single player better than multiplayer?