The 2008 line-ups for consoles are ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE (aka PC wins, AGAIN)

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#101 astor47
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Whoch means it'll be another 5 years for PC's next chance at a good game : wok7

Obvious troll is ooobviouuuss and he likes HD too. ;)

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#102 Gh0st_Of_0nyx
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Heray for opinions!!!
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#103 ProductNumber49
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[QUOTE="Just_in"]

PC lacks genres, so it loses.

BlackIsle_rip

PC wins RPG and Strategy genres. Not to mention that it gets all of the good FPS and TPS ports in ultra high definition.

Yes but my pc cant run those games...So pc looses

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#104 Meu2k7
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[QUOTE="BlackIsle_rip"][QUOTE="Just_in"]

PC lacks genres, so it loses.

ProductNumber49

PC wins RPG and Strategy genres. Not to mention that it gets all of the good FPS and TPS ports in ultra high definition.

Yes but my pc cant run those games...So pc looses

Oh well, my xbox cant play Mass Effect 360 either, so I guess Xbox loses?

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#105 wok7
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[QUOTE="wok7"]SSBB >>>>>>>>>>.. anything on PC for 2008, remember Crysis, PC's last hope for a good game since HL2, came out last year and flopped in sales : (Vandalvideo
The PC actually broke 1 million Worldwide shortly after its release. In PC numbers thats pretty dang good, considering PC sales don't stagnate like console sales do. A PC game that sales 1 million in its first month, like the original Starcraft, will go on to sell 15 million over its lifespan. Thats far more than LAWL TEH HALO could ever hope for.

There you go with your stagnant console pool of water again. The graphics get better while still ont eh same hardware and it has many more million sellers. I can;t believe you once said that the launch console games are the ones that max out the hardware, you've never owned a console, have you?

Even Halo 3 is a little over 9 million already, its just a matter of months before the gap closes between it and those anceint PC games, too bad PC doesn't have any newer games that sellt hat much :

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wok7"]SSBB >>>>>>>>>>.. anything on PC for 2008, remember Crysis, PC's last hope for a good game since HL2, came out last year and flopped in sales : (wok7

The PC actually broke 1 million Worldwide shortly after its release. In PC numbers thats pretty dang good, considering PC sales don't stagnate like console sales do. A PC game that sales 1 million in its first month, like the original Starcraft, will go on to sell 15 million over its lifespan. Thats far more than LAWL TEH HALO could ever hope for.

There you go with your stagnant console pool of water again. The graphics get better while still ont eh same hardware and it has many more million sellers. Even Halo 3 is a little over 9 million already, its just a matter of months before the gap closes between it and those anceint PC games, too bad PC doesn't have any newer games that sellt hat much :

Burning Crusade? lol, Halo 3 owned in the same year by a monthly fee game.

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#107 THEguitarhero08
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360>WII>PS3

360 i don't need 2 explain

FABLE 2!!!!!

wii

are u guys kidding? brawl!(in the first 11 days it was on the shelves there were 11 copies sold in JAPAN) imagine in USA! and mario kart wii!

ps3 metal gear solid 4 yeah awesome (not)

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#108 wok7
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[QUOTE="wok7"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wok7"]SSBB >>>>>>>>>>.. anything on PC for 2008, remember Crysis, PC's last hope for a good game since HL2, came out last year and flopped in sales : (Meu2k7

The PC actually broke 1 million Worldwide shortly after its release. In PC numbers thats pretty dang good, considering PC sales don't stagnate like console sales do. A PC game that sales 1 million in its first month, like the original Starcraft, will go on to sell 15 million over its lifespan. Thats far more than LAWL TEH HALO could ever hope for.

There you go with your stagnant console pool of water again. The graphics get better while still ont eh same hardware and it has many more million sellers. Even Halo 3 is a little over 9 million already, its just a matter of months before the gap closes between it and those anceint PC games, too bad PC doesn't have any newer games that sellt hat much :

Burning Crusade? lol, Halo 3 owned in the same year by a monthly fee game.

lol expansion pack plus Korean soulless gamers and Chinese gold farmers.

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#109 Khansoul
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The line-ups for the consoles this year truly are poor.

PS3: The only worthwhile games this year for the system are going to be MGS4, along with possibly Little Big Planet. Everything else is generic FPS filler and other no-name rubbish like Hot Shots Golf. 95% of PS3's good games are releasing in 2009 (FFXIII, GOW3, ICO Project) and that leaves little for 2008. What an abysmal year.

Xbox 360: An even bigger joke than the PS3, with only a sequel to the most overrated game of 2006 (it was too repetitious, short and low on multi modes) and Ninja Gaiden 2 even worth caring about, along with some watered down and gimped ports of PC games from last year.

Wii: Don't even get me started on Wii. Its two biggest games this year could have been done on Gamecube. These games don't even use the "revolutionary controller" in meaningful ways that improve gameplay. So what was the point of Nintendo holding back hardware specs? I mean what is even the point of this system? Wii's library is terrible right now and its future looks even worse.

Sorry console sheep, but PC wins this year with ease, just like every other year. Starcraft 2, Spore, Far Cry 2 (THE REAL VERSION) and Age of Conan are only a few of the amazing titles coming to PC this year. Lets not forget hermits already had Sins of a Solar Empire which is easily the best game so far this year. Furthermore, Mass Effect is now coming to PC after it was revealed the 360 version was simply the BETA version, so as mentioned prior, PC gets the best versions of multiplats as always.

I honestly don't understand why more people don't game on PC, the consoles are completely incompetent for a real gamer's needs.

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#110 mo0ksi
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wok7"]SSBB >>>>>>>>>>.. anything on PC for 2008, remember Crysis, PC's last hope for a good game since HL2, came out last year and flopped in sales : (wok7

The PC actually broke 1 million Worldwide shortly after its release. In PC numbers thats pretty dang good, considering PC sales don't stagnate like console sales do. A PC game that sales 1 million in its first month, like the original Starcraft, will go on to sell 15 million over its lifespan. Thats far more than LAWL TEH HALO could ever hope for.

There you go with your stagnant console pool of water again. The graphics get better while still ont eh same hardware and it has many more million sellers. I can;t believe you once said that the launch console games are the ones that max out the hardware, you've never owned a console, have you?

Even Halo 3 is a little over 9 million already, its just a matter of months before the gap closes between it and those anceint PC games, too bad PC doesn't have any newer games that sellt hat much :

Sins of a Solar Empire is the #1 selling game in the US right now.

Anything else you'd like to add?

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#111 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wok7"]SSBB >>>>>>>>>>.. anything on PC for 2008, remember Crysis, PC's last hope for a good game since HL2, came out last year and flopped in sales : (wok7

The PC actually broke 1 million Worldwide shortly after its release. In PC numbers thats pretty dang good, considering PC sales don't stagnate like console sales do. A PC game that sales 1 million in its first month, like the original Starcraft, will go on to sell 15 million over its lifespan. Thats far more than LAWL TEH HALO could ever hope for.

There you go with your stagnant console pool of water again. The graphics get better while still ont eh same hardware and it has many more million sellers. I can;t believe you once said that the launch console games are the ones that max out the hardware, you've never owned a console, have you?

Even Halo 3 is a little over 9 million already, its just a matter of months before the gap closes between it and those anceint PC games, too bad PC doesn't have any newer games that sellt hat much :

I never said that launch console games max out hardware. Now you're just straight up LYING. The fact of the matter is the PC I have right now, that outperforms consoles right now, will continue to do so the ENTIRE generation, and I will not have to upgrade in order to have graphics superior to your console. Console game sales stagnate. Just look at the recent sales of Orange Box on the 360. In the last week it beat Halo 3 by more than 100K! Halo 3's sales are stagnating, this is how its always been. PC game sales DO NOT stagnate.
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#112 Meu2k7
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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="wok7"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wok7"]SSBB >>>>>>>>>>.. anything on PC for 2008, remember Crysis, PC's last hope for a good game since HL2, came out last year and flopped in sales : (wok7

The PC actually broke 1 million Worldwide shortly after its release. In PC numbers thats pretty dang good, considering PC sales don't stagnate like console sales do. A PC game that sales 1 million in its first month, like the original Starcraft, will go on to sell 15 million over its lifespan. Thats far more than LAWL TEH HALO could ever hope for.

There you go with your stagnant console pool of water again. The graphics get better while still ont eh same hardware and it has many more million sellers. Even Halo 3 is a little over 9 million already, its just a matter of months before the gap closes between it and those anceint PC games, too bad PC doesn't have any newer games that sellt hat much :

Burning Crusade? lol, Halo 3 owned in the same year by a monthly fee game.

lol expansion pack plus Korean soulless gamers and Chinese gold farmers.

Burning Crusade provides much more content and gametime than Halo 3 ever did. and those generilizations, poor you, you have no arguement :)

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#113 THEguitarhero08
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wii dominates

my fault i said 360 first

here's 10 notable games coming out in 08 for wii

1>brawl

2>mario kart wii

3>Wii Fit

4>Wii Music

5>Animal Crossing Wii

6>brawl

7>brawl

8>brawl

9>brawl

10>brawl

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#114 Cubs360
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Yeah ok TC, because MGS 4 GT 5, Ninja Gaiden 2, Gears 2, and Fable 2 are absolutely terrible games.
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#115 THEguitarhero08
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ok the wii doesn't have that good of a lineup

but face it

when u 360 fanboys are playing fable 2 and halo wars and u ps3 owners play metal gear solid 4

us wii owners get to play brawl! which has the most replay value with fable 2 and halo wars AND MGS4 combined

if brawl isn't enough, we have mario kart wii to look forward to, with the cool "wii wheel''

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#117 AIH_PSP
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ok the wii doesn't have that good of a lineup

but face it

when u 360 fanboys are playing fable 2 and halo wars and u ps3 owners play metal gear solid 4

us wii owners get to play brawl! which has the most replay value with fable 2 and halo wars AND MGS4 combined

if brawl isn't enough, we have mario kart wii to look forward to, with the cool "wii wheel''

THEguitarhero08
Yeah, but LBP has just as much replayability. So us Wii and PS3 owners are set. 360 owners, sorry, I guess you'll get to play Halo Wars.
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#118 ChevelleFan
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The line-ups for the consoles this year truly are poor.

PS3: The only worthwhile games this year for the system are going to be MGS4, along with possibly Little Big Planet. Everything else is generic FPS filler and other no-name rubbish like Hot Shots Golf. 95% of PS3's good games are releasing in 2009 (FFXIII, GOW3, ICO Project) and that leaves little for 2008. What an abysmal year.

Xbox 360: An even bigger joke than the PS3, with only a sequel to the most overrated game of 2006 (it was too repetitious, short and low on multi modes) and Ninja Gaiden 2 even worth caring about, along with some watered down and gimped ports of PC games from last year.

Wii: Don't even get me started on Wii. Its two biggest games this year could have been done on Gamecube. These games don't even use the "revolutionary controller" in meaningful ways that improve gameplay. So what was the point of Nintendo holding back hardware specs? I mean what is even the point of this system? Wii's library is terrible right now and its future looks even worse.

Sorry console sheep, but PC wins this year with ease, just like every other year. Starcraft 2, Spore, Far Cry 2 (THE REAL VERSION) and Age of Conan are only a few of the amazing titles coming to PC this year. Lets not forget hermits already had Sins of a Solar Empire which is easily the best game so far this year. Furthermore, Mass Effect is now coming to PC after it was revealed the 360 version was simply the BETA version, so as mentioned prior, PC gets the best versions of multiplats as always.

I honestly don't understand why more people don't game on PC, the consoles are completely incompetent for a real gamer's needs.

TheMysticHorse

Wow, could you be anymore of a biased PC fanboy?

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#119 jangojay
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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="wok7"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wok7"]SSBB >>>>>>>>>>.. anything on PC for 2008, remember Crysis, PC's last hope for a good game since HL2, came out last year and flopped in sales : (wok7

The PC actually broke 1 million Worldwide shortly after its release. In PC numbers thats pretty dang good, considering PC sales don't stagnate like console sales do. A PC game that sales 1 million in its first month, like the original Starcraft, will go on to sell 15 million over its lifespan. Thats far more than LAWL TEH HALO could ever hope for.

There you go with your stagnant console pool of water again. The graphics get better while still ont eh same hardware and it has many more million sellers. Even Halo 3 is a little over 9 million already, its just a matter of months before the gap closes between it and those anceint PC games, too bad PC doesn't have any newer games that sellt hat much :

Burning Crusade? lol, Halo 3 owned in the same year by a monthly fee game.

lol expansion pack plus Korean soulless gamers and Chinese gold farmers.

lol should have been expansion pack plus American 13 year old whites boys and frat boys, there I summed up halo's audience for you.

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What about GTA IV, Burnout, Soul Calibur, etc etc
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What about GTA IV, Burnout, Soul Calibur, etc etcSpideR_CentS
Best on PC, casual rubbish and an archaic fighter relying on gimmicks to keep it afloat.
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#122 THEguitarhero08
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wii owners are set (brawl and mairo kart, but mostly brawl)

ps3 owners are set to (littlebigplanet)

where does that leave 360? nowhere!!!

haha finally nintendo is getting better games than microsoft

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wii owners are set (brawl and mairo kart, but mostly brawl)

ps3 owners are set to (littlebigplanet)

where does that leave 360? nowhere!!!

haha finally nintendo is getting better games than microsoft

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#124 ironcreed
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LOL, it is posts like this that make this place so darn entertaining sometimes:lol:

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#125 silentobi
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wii owners are set (brawl and mairo kart, but mostly brawl)

ps3 owners are set to (littlebigplanet)

where does that leave 360? nowhere!!!

haha finally nintendo is getting better games than microsoft

THEguitarhero08
WTH? NG2, Gears 2, Banjo 3, Fable 2, Too human ?
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#126 THEguitarhero08
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[QUOTE="THEguitarhero08"]

wii owners are set (brawl and mairo kart, but mostly brawl)

ps3 owners are set to (littlebigplanet)

where does that leave 360? nowhere!!!

haha finally nintendo is getting better games than microsoft

silentobi

WTH? NG2, Gears 2, Banjo 3, Fable 2, Too human ?

ok....i'll bet more ppl will want to play brawl

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#127 lafigueroa
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[QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="THEguitarhero08"]

wii owners are set (brawl and mairo kart, but mostly brawl)

ps3 owners are set to (littlebigplanet)

where does that leave 360? nowhere!!!

haha finally nintendo is getting better games than microsoft

THEguitarhero08

WTH? NG2, Gears 2, Banjo 3, Fable 2, Too human ?

ok....i'll bet more ppl will want to play brawl

But I bet more people will pick up Gears 2 than Little Big Planet.

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#128 Microsoft1234
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brawl, mgs4, and geow2-nuf said
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#129 aerman176
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Everyone bow down, as the godly PC elitist has descended from his throne to educate us console peasants. :roll:
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#130 MozillaFirefox7
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Can't argue with that. since the only game I care about is MGS4 in 2008.

MGS4 only game I give a **** about.

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[QUOTE="SpideR_CentS"]What about GTA IV, Burnout, Soul Calibur, etc etcTheMysticHorse
Best on PC, casual rubbish and an archaic fighter relying on gimmicks to keep it afloat.

you just said burnout is casual rubbish :o how dare ye

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Sorry console sheep, but PC wins this year with ease, just like every other year. Starcraft 2, Spore, Far Cry 2 (THE REAL VERSION) and Age of Conan are only a few of the amazing titles coming to PC this year. Lets not forget hermits already had Sins of a Solar Empire which is easily the best game so far this year. Furthermore, Mass Effect is now coming to PC after it was revealed the 360 version was simply the BETA version, so as mentioned prior, PC gets the best versions of multiplats as always.

I honestly don't understand why more people don't game on PC, the consoles are completely incompetent for a real gamer's needs.

TheMysticHorse

This made me Lol. As a (light) PC gamer, this is just.. no. Yea PC owns this year but:lol:

Buy a console and a gaming PC to be a real gamer.

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#133 MadExponent
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[QUOTE="BlackIsle_rip"][QUOTE="Just_in"]

PC lacks genres, so it loses.

Just_in

PC wins RPG and Strategy genres. Not to mention that it gets all of the good FPS and TPS ports in ultra high definition.



Where are the fighters?

Where are the platformers?

What are some upcoming racing games that aren't some port?

Oh right.. It's pc gaming, limited ville.

PC Gamers do not care in the slightest for those kinds of games. Console gamers do so you can have them.

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#134 turgore
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What does the PC have ? Games with 0 appeal ? Hahah... Look at the first AAA on the PC ...I would rather play xbox live arcade games than that crash , I don't care how much it scored ...

Now let's talk about sales shall we ? Consoles ( especially the 360 ) sales are mych bigger than the PCs . The only worthwhile game on the PC this year is Starcraft 2 which will make you a nerd ( or a korean ) if you play too much . The rest of the games are on the consoles .

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#135 turgore
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[QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="THEguitarhero08"]

wii owners are set (brawl and mairo kart, but mostly brawl)

ps3 owners are set to (littlebigplanet)

where does that leave 360? nowhere!!!

haha finally nintendo is getting better games than microsoft

THEguitarhero08

WTH? NG2, Gears 2, Banjo 3, Fable 2, Too human ?

ok....i'll bet more ppl will want to play brawl

More people under 12 that is.

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#136 turgore
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PC for me, is the ultimate joke in gaming of our time

Has no exclusive games to use those graphics, 99% of its games look like running on atari, all its best games are on 360 looking their best, and frustration free, gets 360 left overs, and 360 gets Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 and Too human, PC does not get

Really laughable stuff, with a 360 you get anything PC has to offer and another huge library of 360 only titles along

saolin323

Exactly ...Sooner or later the 360 will get the games on PC ported (unfortunately the opposite is true too )

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#137 turgore
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GTA IV will be best on PC.TheMysticHorse

Wrong...no exclusive content and delayed to at least 2009 ! PC looses AGAIN .

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#138 AAllxxjjnn
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Could you be anymore bias? seriously.

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#139 Nick-JD
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All I want this year is Ninja Gaiden 2, GTAIV and Left 4 dead, so 360 suits me fine.
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#140 footfoe2
Member since 2007 • 3014 Posts

what i think ps3 line up is awesome: White knight, the agency, Resistance2, killzone2, little big planet. the least you could have done was list all the games for each system and pick each one apart instead of what you ended up doing!!!

Besides theres a sticky for this, LOCKED!!!! sigh man i wish i was a mod

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#141 _Pedro_
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[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"]GTA IV will be best on PC.turgore

Wrong...no exclusive content and delayed to at least 2009 ! PC looses AGAIN .

I think the guy is trolling, but he does have a point. All the GTA's have turned out better on the PC, because of mods. While PC gamers are playing San Andreas online with over 80 players at a time. The best consoles could hope for was splitscreen co-op.

More people under 12 that is.

turgore

joking?

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#142 xflamedemonx
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consumer wins
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#143 Shomb22
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PCs only advantages are Strategy games and Crysis. Everything else is the same as consoles or How one would say "dumbed down for consoles."
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#144 Arsenal325
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PC > PS3 > 360 > Wii
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#145 cobrax25
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PCs only advantages are Strategy games and Crysis. Everything else is the same as consoles or How one would say "dumbed down for consoles."Shomb22

right, like that map editor for COD4 and the Orange box....oh wait.....

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#146 DuDisNow
Member since 2007 • 2741 Posts

Seriously? I can't take take you seriously if you're going to be immature about this. Every system has a good line up for 2008. Deal with it.

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#147 Arsenal325
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[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"]GTA IV will be best on PC.turgore

Wrong...no exclusive content and delayed to at least 2009 ! PC looses AGAIN .

who cares for exclusive content when it will get awesome mods.. every other gta owned on pc.. people made an online mod to where you could do just about anything inthe whole city of the game..

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#148 Meu2k7
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What does the PC have ? Games with 0 appeal ? Hahah... Look at the first AAA on the PC ...I would rather play xbox live arcade games than that crash , I don't care how much it scored ...

Now let's talk about sales shall we ? Consoles ( especially the 360 ) sales are mych bigger than the PCs . The only worthwhile game on the PC this year is Starcraft 2 which will make you a nerd ( or a korean ) if you play too much . The rest of the games are on the consoles .

turgore

And yet Sins of a Solar Empire isa top selling game in the US atm? :lol:

Its sad that you label certain games nerdy, what do the consoles have? Gears of Bore 2! huray we are so cool coz we god grundgy mindless reptitive 6 hour games with chainsaws ! we get layed just for cutting up a locust in a gory way, we are such men :roll:

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#149 Meu2k7
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[QUOTE="turgore"]

[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"]GTA IV will be best on PC._Pedro_

Wrong...no exclusive content and delayed to at least 2009 ! PC looses AGAIN .

I think the guy is trolling, but he does have a point. All the GTA's have turned out better on the PC, because of mods. While PC gamers are playing San Andreas online with over 80 players at a time. The best consoles could hope for was splitscreen co-op.

More people under 12 that is.

turgore

joking?

80 players online?! Holy **** do people still play it? :D

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#150 Pro_wrestler
Member since 2002 • 7880 Posts

Thats far more than LAWL TEH HALO could ever hope for.Vandalvideo

So it sold to 1/16th its userbase as apposed to Halo selling to 1/2...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lawl indeed