The 360 continues to evolve graphically while the ps3 has hit a ceiling

Yay, it took the 360 longer to reach its full potential than the PS3! How is that a win?

And the PC continues to evolve even more, your point?

FoolwithaLancer

i would assume his point (which he states) is that it is evolving using the same hardware? of course pc's evolve, there's new hardware for pc's daily. why even compare the two?

Is this a joke? Whereas I'm not one to hate on the 360 (great console), it peaked graphically a couple of years ago. The PS3, on the other hand, only seems to be getting better. As far as graphics and power are concerned, I have a strong feeling that Xbox vs PS3 will turn out a lot like Genesis vs SNES. Guess which is which.charizard1605

well i won't turn into that, or else it already would have. genesis and snes were both awesome as well.

The 360 continues to get more impressive games simply because the games it had back in 09' and 10' had nothing to compete with UC2 or GOW 3, or even Killzone 2.

You're basically saying it took longer to see the 360's true potential than it took to see the ps3's potential. Hooray?

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Is this a joke? Whereas I'm not one to hate on the 360 (great console), it peaked graphically a couple of years ago. The PS3, on the other hand, only seems to be getting better. As far as graphics and power are concerned, I have a strong feeling that Xbox vs PS3 will turn out a lot like Genesis vs SNES. Guess which is which.slantedandencha

well i won't turn into that, or else it already would have. genesis and snes were both awesome as well.

[QUOTE="slantedandencha"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Is this a joke? Whereas I'm not one to hate on the 360 (great console), it peaked graphically a couple of years ago. The PS3, on the other hand, only seems to be getting better. As far as graphics and power are concerned, I have a strong feeling that Xbox vs PS3 will turn out a lot like Genesis vs SNES. Guess which is which.charizard1605

well i won't turn into that, or else it already would have. genesis and snes were both awesome as well.

The ps3 and 360 are completely even tech wise.

Sure, the 360 won't have anything to match UC2/Gow 3 until Gears 3 comes out, but when it does come out there will be no game that's more technically advanced on either system.

RAGE will be the most technically advaced game on both consoles, and that's a multiplat.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="slantedandencha"]

well i won't turn into that, or else it already would have. genesis and snes were both awesome as well.

theuncharted34

The ps3 and 360 are completely even tech wise.

Sure, the 360 won't have anything to match UC2/Gow 3 until Gears 3 comes out, but when it does come out there will be no game that's more technically advanced on either system.

RAGE will be the most technically advaced game on both consoles, and that's a multiplat.

360 really got it going this year as far as gfx goes.Latest Witcher 2 preview says it all(and thats their first console game)...

http://www.randomprodinc.com/witcher-2-version-2-0-for-pc-and-xbox-360-previewed/

"The game looked fantastic running on the 360 and although it wasn't a hands-on preview, the combat looks seamless and easy. The game looks so good I would definitely go on record saying it's the best looking game on the Xbox 360."

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Thing is, it IS turning into that. Yes, the Genesis and SNES were both awesome. That is the point. However, the generation started with the Genesis having a clear technical advantage. Then over time, the Genesis peaked, while the SNES's superior power led it to establishing an immense lead over the Genesis as far as graphics and technical aspects were concerned. That is exactly what will happen this time- the Xbox is the Genesis, the PS3 is the SNES.charizard1605

The ps3 and 360 are completely even tech wise.

Sure, the 360 won't have anything to match UC2/Gow 3 until Gears 3 comes out, but when it does come out there will be no game that's more technically advanced on either system.

RAGE will be the most technically advaced game on both consoles, and that's a multiplat.

Yes, I'm aware.

I didn't mean to say they were *the same* technically, I meant that they were even. Xbox 360 has more RAM available and a better GPU, but the sheer Power of the Cell makes up for both of those disadvantages.

It does. Which is why the game looks even on both platforms, they're equal in power.

Like Carmack said, the ps3 is more powerful, but that edge is theoretical and would require ungodly programming to tap out of the system. :P

haha 360 playing catchup?stereointegrity

Just like the PS3 playing catchup in the multiplatform department at making those games look &/or run better on that platform? :lol:

I think it's more likely that the developers of Microsoft finally woke up & started to make their exclusive games look even more better than before.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

The ps3 and 360 are completely even tech wise.

Sure, the 360 won't have anything to match UC2/Gow 3 until Gears 3 comes out, but when it does come out there will be no game that's more technically advanced on either system.

RAGE will be the most technically advaced game on both consoles, and that's a multiplat.

theuncharted34

Yes, I'm aware.

I didn't mean to say they were *the same* technically, I meant that they were even. Xbox 360 has more RAM available and a better GPU, but the sheer Power of the Cell makes up for both of those disadvantages.

It does. Which is why the game looks even on both platforms, they're equal in power.

Like Carmack said, the ps3 is more powerful, but that edge is theoretical and would require ungodly proggraming to tap out of the system. :P

Why does everyone want second place so bad :?

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Actually, they're kind of not even. Firstly, as far as sheer RAM is concerned, the 360 wins resoundingly. 512MB of unified RAM wins over the PS3's crippled 256MB RAM + 256MB VRAM. Then again, the PS3's seven core asymmetrical Cell architecture IS more versatile and far more capable than the 360's architecture is. The PS3 IS more powerful than the Xbox 360, if only by very little. I agree with what you said about Rage, although I think that has more to do with skilled programming and developing skills (kind of like Rare's technical wizardry with Donkey Kong Country) than with power available to the developers.charizard1605

Yes, I'm aware.

I didn't mean to say they were *the same* technically, I meant that they were even. Xbox 360 has more RAM available and a better GPU, but the sheer Power of the Cell makes up for both of those disadvantages.

It does. Which is why the game looks even on both platforms, they're equal in power.

Like Carmack said, the ps3 is more powerful, but that edge is theoretical and would require ungodly proggraming to tap out of the system. :P

If the 2 versions of RAGE are equal, that means he hasn't. And they will be equal. :P

Basically it's impossible to get that theoretical edge out of the Ps3.

Erm, what makes you think UC3 is all the PS3 could possibly offer (even if it is, it really does rival Gears 3, and it'll be an awesome face-off)? This whole idea seems to predicated on the idea that you think UC3 is the peak.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Yes, I'm aware.

I didn't mean to say they were *the same* technically, I meant that they were even. Xbox 360 has more RAM available and a better GPU, but the sheer Power of the Cell makes up for both of those disadvantages.

It does. Which is why the game looks even on both platforms, they're equal in power.

Like Carmack said, the ps3 is more powerful, but that edge is theoretical and would require ungodly proggraming to tap out of the system. :P

theuncharted34

If the 2 versions of RAGE are equal, that means he hasn't. And they will be equal. :P

Basically it's impossible to get that theoretical edge out of the Ps3.

stuff like this isn't even entertaining anymore.hiryu3

Indeed, it's always the same thing here on SW, I know people say "this is SW NOT fanboy wars" but guess what? It really is...

Some 360/ps3/wii/PC fanboy makes fanboy bias thread that says "blah blah blah (insert console name) sucks, blah blahblah look at me yell some more". The same threads always keep popping up and the same fanboys always show up to either support or attack the thread. There is NO logic in this place. I hope these people arn't adults becasue that would be really REALLY sad lol.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Well, I'll be honest, if any developer can tap that kind of power, it's Carmack :Dcharizard1605

If the 2 versions of RAGE are equal, that means he hasn't. And they will be equal. :P

Basically it's impossible to get that theoretical edge out of the Ps3.

Yep.

The good thing for the N64 was, even if quite a bit of its power was untapped, it still destroyed the competition. :P

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

If the 2 versions of RAGE are equal, that means he hasn't. And they will be equal. :P

Basically it's impossible to get that theoretical edge out of the Ps3.

theuncharted34

Yep.

The good thing for the N64 was, even if quite a bit of its power was untapped, it still destroyed the competition. :P

Why does everyone want second place so bad :?

NoodleFighter

Forza 4 is not released yet, as is the case for games usually used to show how powerful the 360 is. We'll see how Forza 4 looks when it comes out.

The 360 is supposedly easier to develop for and doesn't have games that look as good as the best looking ps3 games. The excuses always roll in about MS not funding the games to the same degree as Sony, but I don't see how that would be a good thing even if it were true. I also don't see how money changes the hardware they are working with.

In the end, it doesn't really matter which is more powerful, or which gets the prettier games. The games themselves are the only thing that set consoles apart from each other in any meaningful way, and I find the best games are on the Ps3.

I agree TC. By the time Crysis 3 comes around, 360 will have evolved enough to be graphically on par with PC...

Also, it seems like PS3 is devolving actually...

:P

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Why does everyone want second place so bad :?

ianuilliam

Yeah, I've said this as well. Markets matter when comparing products.

Having a PS3 or a 360 and a Wii make sense because they fulfill different wants. The PC is necessary for most people these days, but a PC and a gaming PC are different, and we can't track how many gaming PCs are sold in a given generation, or how many PCs are used for gaming.

I mean, it's pretty safe to say more PCs have been sold this gen than all of the consoles combined, but that isn't telling for the purposes of this forum.

Console wise, I think the total sales are something like this for each platform.

1. DS/i/lite/Xl/whatever else there was

2. Wii

3. PsP/3000/Go

4. 360

5. Ps3

That doesn't take into account rate of sales or software (which is really the most important aspect for the console makers).

Well, i have to say it´s funny the fact that the so called less powerful and easiest to develop for console, ended up showing some of the best looking console games and so late in the gen! :P

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By the time Crysis 3 comes around, 360 will have evolved enough to be graphically on par with PC..

:P

blackgamer1213

I put the :P smiley for a reason.

:P

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="slantedandencha"]

well i won't turn into that, or else it already would have. genesis and snes were both awesome as well.

theuncharted34

The ps3 and 360 are completely even tech wise.

Sure, the 360 won't have anything to match UC2/Gow 3 until Gears 3 comes out, but when it does come out there will be no game that's more technically advanced on either system.

RAGE will be the most technically advaced game on both consoles, and that's a multiplat.

You have overlooked 1 significan game...and that is Forza 4. There simply is nothing out there that could touch its graphics. The game is just stunning to look at.

Crysis 2 (that's right, a multiplat) and killzone 3 are the peak. UC3 looks bad compared to those. I don't see how the 360 can do any better than those two.

Crysis 2 (that's right, a multiplat) and killzone 3 are the peak. UC3 looks bad compared to those. I don't see how the 360 can can do any better than those two.

parkurtommo

Crysis 2 has too many performance issues to be considered the peak of anything other than devs not having their priorities straight.

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Crysis 2 (that's right, a multiplat) and killzone 3 are the peak. UC3 looks bad compared to those. I don't see how the 360 can can do any better than those two.

Pug-Nasty

Crysis 2 has too many performance issues to be considered the peak of anything other than devs not having their priorities straight.

Yea,that was probably duo to time constrainents.After 30% of the game,it runs flawless.

Crysis 2 (that's right, a multiplat) and killzone 3 are the peak. UC3 looks bad compared to those. I don't see how the 360 can do any better than those two.

parkurtommo

No. Just no.

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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

Crysis 2 (that's right, a multiplat) and killzone 3 are the peak. UC3 looks bad compared to those. I don't see how the 360 can can do any better than those two.

Bus-A-Bus

Crysis 2 has too many performance issues to be considered the peak of anything other than devs not having their priorities straight.

Yea,that was probably duo to time constrainents.After 30% of the game,it runs flawless.

I don't see why it matters what the reason is, the issues are still there, and haven't patched to my knowledge.

Doesn't matter to me, as I have the game on PC and don't play it because I don't think it's very good.

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[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Crysis 2 has too many performance issues to be considered the peak of anything other than devs not having their priorities straight.

Pug-Nasty

Yea,that was probably duo to time constrainents.After 30% of the game,it runs flawless.

I don't see why it matters what the reason is, the issues are still there, and haven't patched to my knowledge.

Doesn't matter to me, as I have the game on PC and don't play it because I don't think it's very good.

Thats because those things can't be patched that easily.

Erm, what makes you think UC3 is all the PS3 could possibly offer (even if it is, it really does rival Gears 3, and it'll be an awesome face-off)? This whole idea seems to predicated on the idea that you think UC3 is the peak.

lundy86_4

Same goes for Gears 3 and 360, right?

This wouldnt be a worthy thread if, according to sw, 360 wasnt supposed to be maxed out with Gears 1, then with Gears 2, and so on...!

Same goes for Gears 3 and 360, right?

This wouldnt be a worthy thread if, according to sw, 360 wasnt supposed to be maxed out with Gears 1, then with Gears 2, and so on...!

PAL360

Absolutely. They both look fantastic, and TBH I wouldn't be surprised if they both were about the best we could get (especially since any advancement seems to be a trade-off at this point, e.g. Crysis 2 performance).

Still, they're both about as damn equal in power as we could possibly get.

People actually think Crysis 2 looks good on consoles? Even without comparing it to the vastly superior PC version, Crysis 2 is still an ugly mess on consoles.

Slashkice

It looks fine, jeez some people are spoiled these days.......

People actually think Crysis 2 looks good on consoles? Even without comparing it to the vastly superior PC version, Crysis 2 is still an ugly mess on consoles.

Slashkice

I dunno. I played it on the 360, and I think it's easily up there... However the performance kills it :(

People actually think Crysis 2 looks good on consoles? Even without comparing it to the vastly superior PC version, Crysis 2 is still an ugly mess on consoles.

Slashkice

It looks and plays perfectly fine, but to be honest I find Cryisis 2 to be overrated. Sure it's amazing from a technical standpoint and I enjoyed all the options that you could do in the gameplay, but alot of it just wasn't impressive. And at times the game could be frustrating, like the AI is either super dumb or super cheap ect..

It sort of reminded me of the Far Cry games with the pacing and stuff, neither of those games were good IMO. Overall I find crysis 2 to be OK but not the "great beast" that people make it out to be. There are FAR better FPS games out there IMO.

If the PS3 hit the ceiling, the 360 must've been the last to hit it.

Obvious joke thread is obvious.

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[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Yea,that was probably duo to time constrainents.After 30% of the game,it runs flawless.

Bus-A-Bus

I don't see why it matters what the reason is, the issues are still there, and haven't patched to my knowledge.

Doesn't matter to me, as I have the game on PC and don't play it because I don't think it's very good.

Thats because those things can't be patched that easily.

Again, the why isn't important, it's the product as it is that we are discussing. The product as it is isn't up to snuff. This is without bringing up the quality of Crysis 2 as a game, which is questionable anyway.