The big mistake Microsoft and Nintendo have done this generation

That does blow. I get the feeling MS are not looking to over extend themselves with the launching of this console. Really guage what its going to do, then test other markets. Its unfortunate for some gamers like yourself. But that company has usually been frugal, and cut throat in regards to business.

All that stuff matters to you? It looks better than it did on my PS3 when I played it last year. If having the ultimate experience mattered, I wouldn't go PS4, I'd go PC.

Sorry but every one of them is trying to target casuals. The winner of every gen is the one who gets the casuals. Sony is no different.

I would have gotten X1 on Forza alone. Because i love those games. But now i don't know when i will get it. I will just stick with my other platforms

the WiiU and X1 will sell around 20-40 by then end of this gen, PS4 will be around 80-120

@cainetao11: of course it matters, especially in games like MGS GZ when the difference its very noticeable.

MS: The Kinect they are still trying to gather people from the Nintendo crowd with this garbage it didn't work last gen and people are tired of the gimmicks considering they can find easy to play games on tablets phones etc, This is also where Nintendo went a bit wrong, but people and devs hate kinect, and there hasn't been a useful game or IP to really separate it. The price is also an issue considering the bad press the machine is getting for being inferior and lower res, it;s like Sony last gen with the cell bullshit and the price for inferior multiplats, And MS won't acknowledge this which is the worst, they are banking on Titanfall to save them and it semi will but with 360 and PC being available it's hard to say it's a system seller worth picking the X1 up from a 360 or to at least justify it, had it been X1 exclusive I guarantee, it would have been a different story all together.

Nintendo: The damn tablet controller is abysmal and the power of the machine is a little higher than the 360, honestly I think Nintendo really wanted to up the ante with a Wii plus to ride off of their success of the Wii and it isn;t working poor 3rd party title selection delays after delays of games and a year later we have some good game but still not what we should have had, internet and online should've been big and Nintendo seems to have completely overlooked it when it is pretty essential. I must say Nintendo is in a bad spot this gen but they'll survive

Then I guess you're holding out for the PC version? Why would anyone settle for either console version if it matters?

@cainetao11: what do you mean? There is no PC version announced for MGS GZ.

I am guessing 50 for both at least

After Kojima himself said he would love to bring the new games to PC, you really think Konami wont?

@cainetao11: so I'm just going to wait for a game thats not announced when I could play the superior version in almost a week from now? Lol how about no.

Enjoy playing the game at 720p on your shitbox one that was $100 more. You got duped.

@PinkieWinkie: atta boy get personal when someone doesn't share your opinion or value system, you go, real man

Yeah, but they are still banking on the casual market to come to them and buy the console with Kinect for MS. Nintendo relied on people buying it again because it was named Wii U and thought they would hit it off aswell

@cainetao11: if that was personal to you then you are in for a surprise when you get out of high school.

I'm 41, and majoring in English writing. I know personal written attacks, as defined by academic composition.

I don't think it's game over, they have just done a lot of mistakes. Nintendo just needs to release good games and advertise their freaking console

@cainetao11: sure you do little buddy.

Glad we caught up, son

I don't think he's seen Titanfall.

Yes i have and it's 792p and it's proving my point with it being weaker, focusing on the casual with their Kinect and tv.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/03/10/titanfall-confirmed-to-launch-at-792p-on-xbox-one/

@ The_Last_Ride

I don't think Resolution is a factor of Casual or Hardcore. Especially in this day and age where Console gamers have some how become more obnoxious than hermit.

Seriously can't wait until next year, when talk about graphics will go back to the levels they were back during late 7th gen.

It does matter to some. But it's more the overall products that are inferior due to managment

LOL, are you really that delusional?

You can't fix sh*tty hardware with software updates.

Its been stated that MS would no way give PS a 30% performance advantage. They also said they built the console to last a generation...not just a few years. Couple that with the fact that the console was clearly rushed to market...I think MS have a couple of tricks up their sleeve to close the gap. If you are so convinced this isnt the case leave me to my delusion ; )

Implying Microsoft wasn't saying that to pacify the fears of their fanbase.

You'd make a terrible business analyst.

You would make a terrible Zoologist. See I can do it too.

I don't know why anyone actually thinks that. Wasn't the power of the cloud suppose to fix that, but failed completely?

Let me tell you what happened in a short way.

- Wii won by FAR last gen , something that Nintendo guys themselfs ( big heads ) couldnt even dream of , mainly because of casuals and ofcourse gimmick controls.

- Nintendo on the other hand because of hardware limitations and super casual appeal lost almost all major 3rd party support , specially big blockbuster games.

- M$ as well as Sony saw that Wii ended up on 100M milestone when PS3/X360 combined didnt have that many sales !!

- M$ tried to capitalize on this casual/gimmick control appeal and momentum by offering all those gimmick controls to appeal to casuals while being as good as possible hardware wise to play everything else ( not be a junk like Wii was ).

- Thats why M$ decided to name the new xbox , Xbox one. With one console supposedly you getting the whole experience of everything ... something that never happened

Thats what happened but it backfired and let M$ in a nasty position ... not be appealing to neither casuals nor hardcores , only fanboys.

True, but Nintendo isn't doing well either

Why does everyone on this forum pick on Wii U? Especially xbox people. it's alway "we're not the worst! Look at the Wii U! It's not powerful at all!"

Ya the Wii U isn't dominating but it has a great core audience. Franchise like Zelda, Mario, ect have quite a bit of appeal. If they drop their price by 100, I'd definately buy one, as would most other people.

What a lot of people fail to see is that the Wii U isn't intended to play graphical intensive games like the other consoles. It's its own beast.

That said, the Xbox One is just bad. It's going after the same market as the PS4 and PC and easily has the worst value of the 3. Can't be helped

True, but Wii U isn't doing good unfortunately. But MS totally missed their mark with X1

Of course it isnt.

Nintendo was the first victim of this "gimmick continuation casualization " and M$ followed up. MS tried to deliver 1 system that does everything , a little bit of Wii ( gimmick controls for casual appeal ) , a little bit of PS4 ( performance in order to be able to play all 3rd party great titles ) ... The thing is that its just a little bit of everything and doesnt excel in anything.

If i wanted casual console and gimmick controls = Wii U hands down. It has the best casual friendly library and its controller is far superior to that kinect for casual gaming ( and not only ).

If i wanted raw power at appealing price and value considering i know beforehand that ill get the most quantity and quality exclusives = PS4

Where is X1 stands ? Nowhere in my opinion. ITS NOT the best for motion controls gaming , ITS NOT the best for casual gaming , ITS NOT the best performance console since so early already PS4 has the lead imagine later... So what is it ?

An expensive... "CRAP" that its appealing only to hardcore Xbox fans that love HALO and and GEARS ... thats all imho.

Nintendo's mistake was having their head too far up their ass thinking they don't need to compete with the other companies and don't need to do anything to appease third parties. These days third parties are WAY more important than 1st parties as most of the major releases are multi-platform now. This was a big change with last gen, considering back in the PS2 days there was a lot more exclusivity going on between the different consoles.

Really, with how freaking awful Nintendo is at making home consoles it really is amazing to me that they have stayed relevant all these year. I guess it helps that they have those strong franchises and do still kick major ass in the handheld world, but every home console they put out seems to be terribly designed and is inferior to the competition both in capability and now software.

As for Microsoft, they were too damn stupid to look at the reasons why the 360 did so well against the PS3 and just went and made the same major blunder that Sony did when they got cocky with the PS3. You don't go releasing your console for $100 more without it being SIGNIFICANTLY better than the competition, and in this case the freaking X1 is WEAKER that the console that costs $100 less. It is just psychotic of them to think that was going to work.

On top of that, they went and had the balls to try and pull the DRM bullshit which that alone I gaurantee lost them a lot of support (I was pretty well set against the X1 with that nonsense). No company should EVER try and disadvantage their customers like that...

It is funny how after the switcheroo that went on with last gen (with 1st place Sony falling to last place and last place Nintendo climbing to 1st) it really looks like things are going to go right back to the way they were. Sony has been the one company who seems to be making all the right moves now after their disastrous 3rd gen while Nintendo and Microsoft have made some serious blunders that might throw the entire generation for them ALREADY...

Again, Peggle 2 and Plants vs. Zombies are not exclusives.

The only thing it does better at this point is the TV stuff

He also left out Resogun

Coolyfetts take on this subject is, it is good to see PlayStation back where they belong in the Top Spot. It just seems PlayStation has a better relationship with their costumers. From PS1 to PSP to PS4. Its a reliable product. Even though PS3 finished 2nd in total sales, that doesnt mean the Wii was a better system. Never really like the Xbox or 360 they always seemed like they were just the American version of PlayStation. It seems they release FPS after FPS after FPS, its like Nintendo with plat-formers. No diversity. In a perfect world Coolyfett would like to see gamers split between PlayStation and Nintendo, but the Xbox is around so thats a third option for those who dont like what PlayStation & Nintendo bring to the table. Nintendo fans lets face it, Nintendo sucks at home consoles and they have for a very long time. Nintendo needs to create a device or plug adapter that allows the 3DS to play games on an HDTV. The Hand helds that NIntendo makes is where they score the most points and if they want to compete with PlayStation & Xbox they should do so with their Handhelds. Nintendo will never be graphics king again, they will never be the king of Online, Nintendo Network needs work if it wants to be viewed like PSN and Xbox Live. Xbox ONE may finish in 2nd for generation 8, but Nintendo should really consider turning the 3DS into a home console or consider making their next Handheld be a home console hybrid. One piece of hardware that does online gaming, outputs on a HDTV & portable. If Nintendo could cram the Wii U technology into a DS type Handheld with dual Vita screens it would give them something for 3rd parties to show interest in.

Lame comment, No Dx 12 will not transform a 1.2 terraflop machine into a 2 terraflop machine but it will cut down the resources the GPU uses in certain areas which will free up resources for the GPU in other areas, it will not increase the powertthe GPU can output but it WILL increase the amount of workload the GPU will be able to handle.

You just have to look at the OS problem with the Ps3, when the Ps3 was first released it had an overbloated operating system, SONY decreased the OS size which gave more useable RAM to developers, the 360 had the benefit of always having more USEABLE RAM than the Ps3 because it always had a lower OS footprint.

You cannot make a console more powerful with Software optimisations but you CAN Lower overhead costs and Free up more resources For the GPU, CPU and RAM and thus increase the workload the hardware can produce.

Actually learn about this stuff before jumping in with lame asanine comments dude

'Sony has reduced the size of the Operating System to a mere 50MBs. Broken down, 7MBs comes from local memory, while 43MBs comes from the main memory. Developers have long criticized Sony and the incredibly large memory footprint for some time now, and those have been warranted. Microsoft’s Xbox 360 has reserved, and stayed with only 32MBs of memory allocation. The more memory developers can play with is better.'

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2009/12/18/ps3-reduces-os-footprint-by-more-than-half/

Good post about Microsoft, that is the vibe Coolyfett gets about them. They just seem like PlayStation copy cats in many ways. If PS3 was cheaper in 2006 there would be no Xbox One. Playstation just needs to smash them again in sales like they did with PS2 so when Playstation 5 comes out they are not in the picture.

@Coolyfett: But Nintendo still does interesting and innovative games compared to MS.

The big mistake MS made was hiring Don Mattrick. He single-handedly destroyed the Xbox brand. For once MS was showing competence with a hardware product, was even on course to become the market leader. But then that Kinect-lovin, "graphics don't matter" sob came along and ruined the whole thing.

Right, because remaking the same games over and over again for 30 years is so very innovative.

You call Link Between Worlds, Tropical Freeze, Pikmen all remakes? Mario Galaxy games are some of the highest rated games aswell

@stationplay_4: Kinect itself isn't the problem. The problem is that MS focused on integrating Kinect with every console instead of concentrating on the hardware inside the console. Sony decided that they needed the most bang for the buck under the hood and made Move an optional extra. As a result PS4 is cheaper but significantly more powerful. Last gen PS3 & X360 were neck and neck in power.

They have no idea, but they will after the E3. Hopefully the GDC will build the launching pad for what's to come at the E3.

You done some grammatical mistake in your thread title, that's for sure.

@donalbane: so did you, in your own sentance