The chances of Diablo3 going to consoles

ok ill give you an example where the standard console controller wont work:

Let's say you're a sorceress and want to teleport. In Diablo 2, you gotta click exactly where you want to teleport, and you need to be able to do it extremely fast on hell(the hardest difficulty) or in duels (against good people or hackers)

using an analog to try to aim your teleport is going to be extremely clunky, unless you all want to invest in a mouse and keyboard for your console..but if you're gonna do that, you might as well play on PC

[QUOTE="abuabed"]:| If I get to play Monster Hunter on my PSP very fine(with few buttons & one analog stick) then there is 100% no problem playing Diablo III on 360/PS3. Of course I'm not saying it will be better on consoles but it will play just fine, the mechanics of the game is simple and it doesn't require many keyboard buttons and even if it did, Blizzard can come up with a way to implement it very well. Of course PC will be where Diablo III really belongs to but if Blizzard releases the game on consoles they'll get more money in their wallet which they deserve.Redmoonxl2

I'm going to state again what I stated just above to someone with a very similar post:

Monster Hunter =/= Diablo. Please play Diablo 2 at the highest levels on Hardcore before making a comment on how Diablo would play on a controller.

Probably.....0.00000001%? Yeah probably somewhere around there. Blizzard has a gigantic fanbase on computers so they don't need to trouble themselves to port it.

I finished the game on "Hell" mode alone with my Necromancer and I know how a Diablo game plays like. I'm just saying it is possible to make it one consoles, even if the controls are bad it is still possible, you see my point? :)abuabed

nobody plays d2 to complete the story mode. It's all about getting nice gear and duelzzz on battlenet

:P sorry for being away. Please let me off topic for a second... (and please don't say "blog it") I just finished playing street fighter 4 and I can hardly believe what I've achieved. 20 consecutive win against the hardest computer with a 360 controller, I'd never imagine this day will ever come. Anyway, I hope the people who are claiming "there is 0% of Diablo 3 coming to consoles" won't be annoyed if there is actually one coming out. I think the reason I'm making this topic is because I'm getting an expensive pc now and I don't want to be disappointed when all the pc exclusives go to the consoles. I truely hope blizzard can stay pc exclusive but if making it multiplat means better quality (does this even make any sense), I'm all for it.hoplayletsplay

Blizzard uses BATTLE.NET for the online for Diablo games and Diablo3 will be using BATTLE.NET for online, just like Diablo2 used. So no there is 0 cahnce its coming to consoles. Blizzard has never had a console game on BATTLE.NET.

Battle.net on a console is just not going to happen.

[QUOTE="abuabed"]

I finished the game on "Hell" mode alone with my Necromancer and I know how a Diablo game plays like. I'm just saying it is possible to make it one consoles, even if the controls are bad it is still possible, you see my point? :)shoryuken_

nobody plays d2 to complete the story mode. It's all about getting nice gear and duelzzz on battlenet

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]:P sorry for being away. Please let me off topic for a second... (and please don't say "blog it") I just finished playing street fighter 4 and I can hardly believe what I've achieved. 20 consecutive win against the hardest computer with a 360 controller, I'd never imagine this day will ever come. Anyway, I hope the people who are claiming "there is 0% of Diablo 3 coming to consoles" won't be annoyed if there is actually one coming out. I think the reason I'm making this topic is because I'm getting an expensive pc now and I don't want to be disappointed when all the pc exclusives go to the consoles. I truely hope blizzard can stay pc exclusive but if making it multiplat means better quality (does this even make any sense), I'm all for it.kozzy1234

Blizzard uses BATTLE.NET for the online for Diablo games and Diablo3 will be using BATTLE.NET for online, just like Diablo2 used. So no there is 0 cahnce its coming to consoles. Blizzard has never had a console game on BATTLE.NET.

Battle.net on a console is just not going to happen.

I finished the game on "Hell" mode alone with my Necromancer and I know how a Diablo game plays like. I'm just saying it is possible to make it one consoles, even if the controls are bad it is still possible, you see my point? :)abuabed

And you made my point. You acknowledge that Diablo at the highest levels of play would be bad on the controller, since a controller is not the intended form of input. You argument seems to stem from "well, it still can be played on a console!". Well, so can the majority of PC games. I'm sure the 360 can play Sins of a Solar Empire just fine. However, what you seem to ignore is the fact that games are not only graphics placed on the screen. Video games heavily rely on how their control, and if the controls are BAD (like you stated), then you are not only doing a disservice to the game, but a disservice to the developer AND the players.

Anything is possible on any platform. The argument here is whether something is IDEAL.

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Gamerz1569"]

There would be a control problem, unless your using a barbarian (few to no spells required to cast) then I don't see how it will be solved

Redmoonxl2

Sacred 2 =/= Diablo

Play top level Diablo 2 on Hardcore, please.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]:P sorry for being away. Please let me off topic for a second... (and please don't say "blog it") I just finished playing street fighter 4 and I can hardly believe what I've achieved. 20 consecutive win against the hardest computer with a 360 controller, I'd never imagine this day will ever come. Anyway, I hope the people who are claiming "there is 0% of Diablo 3 coming to consoles" won't be annoyed if there is actually one coming out. I think the reason I'm making this topic is because I'm getting an expensive pc now and I don't want to be disappointed when all the pc exclusives go to the consoles. I truely hope blizzard can stay pc exclusive but if making it multiplat means better quality (does this even make any sense), I'm all for it.Shafftehr

Blizzard uses BATTLE.NET for the online for Diablo games and Diablo3 will be using BATTLE.NET for online, just like Diablo2 used. So no there is 0 cahnce its coming to consoles. Blizzard has never had a console game on BATTLE.NET.

Battle.net on a console is just not going to happen.

I just dont see it happing dude. Look at the past, Blizzard has never put a console game out that uses Battle.net, its just not going to happen imo.

If there was even a small chance it would have been announced awhile back about at least a possibility.

Yes Diablo1 came out on ps1, but it was not very good and it didnt have online/multiplayer thru battle.net. Diablo games without battle.net = terrible from my experience.

If Blizzard was going to integrate Diablo games and Battle.net onto consoles and PSN/xboxlive, then dont you think they would have done it with Diablo2? which was extremely popular and sold tons? They obviously saw the horrible sales and reviews of diablo1 on ps1 and said NOT AGAIN.

Just my opinion, but feel free to bookmark this and "OWN" me if Diablo3 or Diablo4 come to consoles, with battle/net intrgrated into it.

I think this idea of Diablo3 beign on consoles WITH BATTLE.NET is as far fetched as people saying "PC GAMIGN IS DEAD OR DYING"

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Blizzard uses BATTLE.NET for the online for Diablo games and Diablo3 will be using BATTLE.NET for online, just like Diablo2 used. So no there is 0 cahnce its coming to consoles. Blizzard has never had a console game on BATTLE.NET.

Battle.net on a console is just not going to happen.

kozzy1234

I just dont see it happing dude. Look at the past, Blizzard has never put a console game out that uses Battle.net, its just not going to happen imo.

If there was even a small chance it would have been announced awhile back about at least a possibility.

Yes Diablo1 came out on ps1, but it was not very good and it didnt have online/multiplayer thru battle.net. Diablo games without battle.net = terrible from my experience.

Does D3 have to be on battle.net? Anyway, I shouldn't be annoyed by the final outcome, I just want to play the best of the game.hoplayletsplay

yes it does have to be on battle.net

just my opinion, but feel free to bookmark this and "OWN" me if Diablo3 or Diablo4 come to consoles, with battle/net intrgrated into it.

I think this idea of Diablo3 beign on consoles WITH BATTLE.NET is as far fetched as people saying "PC GAMIGN IS DEAD OR DYING"

kozzy1234

I simply recognize... It's possible. There are no technical issues that couldn't be overcome, Blizzard has worked with consoles before and... Though I consider it extremely unlikely, think it won't happen, when it all comes down to it, it falls entirely within the realm of possibility. Blizzard wouldn't be the first to one day say "Hey, let's put this game on a console!" Again, I think it's unlikely, and if someone asked me I'd tell them not to hold their breath over it happening, but it's possible.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"] If MMO's are able to jump through the hoops required to get them running on consoles, then Blizzard is with Battle.net. I agree it's *highly* unlikely, but why do people deny that it's entirely possible?Shafftehr

I just dont see it happing dude. Look at the past, Blizzard has never put a console game out that uses Battle.net, its just not going to happen imo.

If there was even a small chance it would have been announced awhile back about at least a possibility.

Yes Diablo1 came out on ps1, but it was not very good and it didnt have online/multiplayer thru battle.net. Diablo games without battle.net = terrible from my experience.

Sorry but thats a horrible example.

Metal Gear Sold4 doesnt have a online service like Battle.net. I would say MGS4 has a 5% chance to go to other systems later on, but 0% chance at Diablo3 coming to consoles.

We have seen EXCLUSIVES jump ship before, but NEVER have we seen a console game using Blizzards Battle.net.

Hell, I'd say Mario Galaxy2 has a better chance going to PS3 and 360, or Halo4 going to a sony and Nintendo console then Diablo3 going to consoles, but thats just me.

[QUOTE="abuabed"]I finished the game on "Hell" mode alone with my Necromancer and I know how a Diablo game plays like. I'm just saying it is possible to make it one consoles, even if the controls are bad it is still possible, you see my point? :)Redmoonxl2

The argument here is whether something is IDEAL.

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]:P sorry for being away. Please let me off topic for a second... (and please don't say "blog it") I just finished playing street fighter 4 and I can hardly believe what I've achieved. 20 consecutive win against the hardest computer with a 360 controller, I'd never imagine this day will ever come. Anyway, I hope the people who are claiming "there is 0% of Diablo 3 coming to consoles" won't be annoyed if there is actually one coming out. I think the reason I'm making this topic is because I'm getting an expensive pc now and I don't want to be disappointed when all the pc exclusives go to the consoles. I truely hope blizzard can stay pc exclusive but if making it multiplat means better quality (does this even make any sense), I'm all for it.kozzy1234

Blizzard uses BATTLE.NET for the online for Diablo games and Diablo3 will be using BATTLE.NET for online, just like Diablo2 used. So no there is 0 cahnce its coming to consoles. Blizzard has never had a console game on BATTLE.NET.

Battle.net on a console is just not going to happen.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]just my opinion, but feel free to bookmark this and "OWN" me if Diablo3 or Diablo4 come to consoles, with battle/net intrgrated into it.

I think this idea of Diablo3 beign on consoles WITH BATTLE.NET is as far fetched as people saying "PC GAMIGN IS DEAD OR DYING"

Shafftehr

I simply recognize... It's possible. There are no technical issues that couldn't be overcome, Blizzard has worked with consoles before and... Though I consider it extremely unlikely, think it won't happen, when it all comes down to it, it falls entirely within the realm of possibility. Blizzard wouldn't be the first to one day say "Hey, let's put this game on a console!" Again, I think it's unlikely, and if someone asked me I'd tell them not to hold their breath over it happening, but it's possible.

No need to get angry, i simply meant that you should bookmark this and post in this thread again if Diablo3 ever comes to consoles, i am 100% sure it isnt going to be on consoles because of the battle.net issues.

I think there is a bigger chance of Pigs flying then diablo3 and battle.net comign to consoles (think about it... xboxlive and PSn on top of battle.net? just dont see it happening bud).

Ohh well, I'll agree to dissagree with a fellow Planet Torment fan.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]:P sorry for being away. Please let me off topic for a second... (and please don't say "blog it") I just finished playing street fighter 4 and I can hardly believe what I've achieved. 20 consecutive win against the hardest computer with a 360 controller, I'd never imagine this day will ever come. Anyway, I hope the people who are claiming "there is 0% of Diablo 3 coming to consoles" won't be annoyed if there is actually one coming out. I think the reason I'm making this topic is because I'm getting an expensive pc now and I don't want to be disappointed when all the pc exclusives go to the consoles. I truely hope blizzard can stay pc exclusive but if making it multiplat means better quality (does this even make any sense), I'm all for it.Zero5000X

Blizzard uses BATTLE.NET for the online for Diablo games and Diablo3 will be using BATTLE.NET for online, just like Diablo2 used. So no there is 0 cahnce its coming to consoles. Blizzard has never had a console game on BATTLE.NET.

Battle.net on a console is just not going to happen.

Valve is not Blizzard, and Battle.net is nothing like Steam, two totally differnt things, but nice try.

It will NOT happen, if it does ill leave gamespot forever.

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Blizzard uses BATTLE.NET for the online for Diablo games and Diablo3 will be using BATTLE.NET for online, just like Diablo2 used. So no there is 0 cahnce its coming to consoles. Blizzard has never had a console game on BATTLE.NET.

Battle.net on a console is just not going to happen.

kozzy1234

Valve is not Blizzard

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"] Valve games all use steam on PC but they don't on consoles.Zero5000X

Valve is not Blizzard

Not at all, you can buy games on steam and you cant on battle.net

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] Well actually the 360 already has a Diablo clone which Gamespot said handled the controls perfectly (allowed up to 12 spell hotkeys). Scared 2. So no, the controls wouldn't be a problem. I don't think D3 is coming to consoles though.mythrol

Sacred 2 =/= Diablo

Play top level Diablo 2 on Hardcore, please.

Yes, let me leave SW since you commanded me to do so. :) As for me sounding like an *ss, we should hang out some time. I'm so much nicer when you get to know me. Then again, there is a method to my madness.

Anyways, to the main point: You cannot compare Sacred 2 with Diablo 2 since both play differently, both have very different paces, and both approach the system of hotkeys very differently. Imagine shuffling between not only spell hotkeys but potions in D2 with a pad at the highest level of play in the game. You'd be dead since the game was not designed for a controller. Lets look at another game, like TF2. Some classes on TF2 are simply unplayable on a gamepad (Spy), while they play perfectly with the kb/m. Know why? Much like D2, TF2 was made with the kb/m in mind. L4D (according to friends who has both the 360 and PC versions) is actually made to be easier on the console due to the handicap in reaction speed a controller has when compared to a mouse (analog gates vs laser precision).

Again, like I stated before in another post, the argument here is what is possible vs what is ideal. Is it possible for Blizzard to dumb down Diablo 3 so console players can play? Sure, however, is it ideal for them to dumb down one of their key franchises? Well, if it were ideal, Diablo 3 would be closer to Sacred 2, not Diablo 2. :P

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I just dont see it happing dude. Look at the past, Blizzard has never put a console game out that uses Battle.net, its just not going to happen imo.

If there was even a small chance it would have been announced awhile back about at least a possibility.

Yes Diablo1 came out on ps1, but it was not very good and it didnt have online/multiplayer thru battle.net. Diablo games without battle.net = terrible from my experience.

kozzy1234

Sorry but thats a horrible example.

Metal Gear Sold4 doesnt have a online service like Battle.net. I would say MGS4 has a 5% chance to go to other systems later on, but 0% chance at Diablo3 coming to consoles.

We have seen EXCLUSIVES jump ship before, but NEVER have we seen a console game using Blizzards Battle.net.

Hell, I'd say Mario Galaxy2 has a better chance going to PS3 and 360, or Halo4 going to a sony and Nintendo console then Diablo3 going to consoles, but thats just me.

If so many people think there is a chance that Diablo3 is coming to consoles, then why didnt Diablo2 come to consoles? They learned there lesson from Diablo1 on ps1.

Just dont see Diablo3 coming to consoles! If diablo2 did, with Battle/net integrated into xboxlive and PSN, then yeah it would be a possibilty.

But if im wrong and BATTLE.NET comes to consoles, im gone from this site.

Blizzard love Battle.net and i highly doubt they would toss it to the side or integrate it into the consoles online systems.

The chances are somewhere between 0, none, and nill.

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]just my opinion, but feel free to bookmark this and "OWN" me if Diablo3 or Diablo4 come to consoles, with battle/net intrgrated into it.

I think this idea of Diablo3 beign on consoles WITH BATTLE.NET is as far fetched as people saying "PC GAMIGN IS DEAD OR DYING"

kozzy1234

I simply recognize... It's possible. There are no technical issues that couldn't be overcome, Blizzard has worked with consoles before and... Though I consider it extremely unlikely, think it won't happen, when it all comes down to it, it falls entirely within the realm of possibility. Blizzard wouldn't be the first to one day say "Hey, let's put this game on a console!" Again, I think it's unlikely, and if someone asked me I'd tell them not to hold their breath over it happening, but it's possible.

No need to get angry, i simply meant that you should bookmark this and post in this thread again if Diablo3 ever comes to consoles, i am 100% sure it isnt going to be on consoles because of the battle.net issues.

I think there is a bigger chance of Pigs flying then diablo3 and battle.net comign to consoles (think about it... xboxlive and PSn on top of battle.net? just dont see it happening bud).

Ohh well, I'll agree to dissagree with a fellow Planet Torment fan.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="abuabed"]I finished the game on "Hell" mode alone with my Necromancer and I know how a Diablo game plays like. I'm just saying it is possible to make it one consoles, even if the controls are bad it is still possible, you see my point? :)abuabed

The argument here is whether something is IDEAL.

Again, anything is doable. Hell, you can make a game like GeoW on a GBC. Is it going to happen anytime soon? No.

I would buy it if it came out on consoles.

Why would you want to play D3 on consoles? SAGE_OF_FIRE

Why not? Sacred 2 was pretty OK on consoles.

It'll NEVER go to consoles. Quote me if you want.aaronmullan

Would it really hurt you if it did though?

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]It'll NEVER go to consoles. Quote me if you want.millwrought

Would it really hurt you if it did though?

It would hurt the community if there was a split between platforms. Also, as said, Diablo 3 heavily relies on B.net 2.0, which will most certainly not carry over onto consoles, plus the chance for cross platform play is zero.

Yes, let me leave SW since you commanded me to do so. :) As for me sounding like an *ss, we should hang out some time. I'm so much nicer when you get to know me. Then again, there is a method to my madness.

Anyways, to the main point: You cannot compare Sacred 2 with Diablo 2 since both play differently, both have very different paces, and both approach the system of hotkeys very differently. Imagine shuffling between not only spell hotkeys but potions in D2 with a pad at the highest level of play in the game. You'd be dead since the game was not designed for a controller. Lets look at another game, like TF2. Some classes on TF2 are simply unplayable on a gamepad (Spy), while they play perfectly with the kb/m. Know why? Much like D2, TF2 was made with the kb/m in mind. L4D (according to friends who has both the 360 and PC versions) is actually made to be easier on the console due to the handicap in reaction speed a controller has when compared to a mouse (analog gates vs laser precision).

Again, like I stated before in another post, the argument here is what is possible vs what is ideal. Is it possible for Blizzard to dumb down Diablo 3 so console players can play? Sure, however, is it ideal for them to dumb down one of their key franchises? Well, if it were ideal, Diablo 3 would be closer to Sacred 2, not Diablo 2. :PRedmoonxl2

First let me say that I completely agree with you about Diablo 3 coming to consoles. I personally DON'T WANT it to. Because I like the precision of a mouse and keyboard.

The biggest thing Blizzard would have to adjust is the belt. Instead of stacks of potions that you could combine in different ways they'd have to make a dedicated potion button for healing and mana and then implement a smart system where the game would know the best potion to use in each system (this however is not that hard).

Taking the Xbox 360 controller for example: RT - attack, LT - action key (or programmable), A - health potion, B - Mana potion, X - teleport, Y - Switch run / walk. LB & RB would be hot key activators that allows you to program in spells with combo's like LB + A, RB + X. You could even I suppose allow for LB + RB + A combos if you really needed. The D-Pad would allow for inventory access and skill / spell trees.

This was just off the top of my head. I'm sure the creators could come up with even better controls for a console controller. No my idea might not perfectly replicate the PC experience but I don't really see it as a huge "dumb down" of gameplay.

Even though it could happen though, doesn't mean it should. I'm of the personal opinion that Blizzard games should remain on PC's.

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]It'll NEVER go to consoles. Quote me if you want.millwrought

Would it really hurt you if it did though?

[QUOTE="millwrought"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]It'll NEVER go to consoles. Quote me if you want.aaronmullan

Would it really hurt you if it did though?

*Stuff*

Even though it could happen though, doesn't mean it should. I'm of the personal opinion that Blizzard games should remain on PC's.

mythrol

My main point, as clear as day. We're saying the same thing.

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Valve is not Blizzard

kozzy1234

Not at all, you can buy games on steam and you cant on battle.net

[QUOTE="mythrol"]

*Stuff*

Even though it could happen though, doesn't mean it should. I'm of the personal opinion that Blizzard games should remain on PC's.

Redmoonxl2

My main point, as clear as day. We're saying the same thing.

Yes we both end the same but we take different roads to get there. You came off as the controller just couldn't possibly give D3 justice. I think the controller could work fine with a few tweaks, I just don't want anything to slow down development of the game nor Blizzard have to sacrifice graphics quality or polish due to splitting their team to work on another version of the game. If this was a discussion about Starcraft 2 I'd be right there with you saying consoles could shove it, a controller wouldn't work. D3 is different though. Blizzard themselves said out of all their IPs if they were to bring one to consoles the Diablo series would work best. mythrol

My opposition was comparing Sacred 2 to Diablo 2, which (and I'm not trying to be insulting) one of the dumbest things I've heard since you simply cannot take both and compare them in execution. Even on Hardcore Niobium, Sacred 2 is nowhere near Diablo 2 in terms of enemy numbers, difficulty, and pace. Again, to get something like Diablo 2 to work on a controller (as you admitted) is not ideal, because the game in its current state is too much for the limitations of a controller to handle. That would mean gameplay alterations, and Sacred 2 is kinder in that respect.

If Diablo 3 is truthful to Diablo 2 in regards to difficulty, pace, and enemy numbers, then its just dumb to expect it to handle a controller without alterations to gameplay, much like how L4D and TF2's pacing made for gameplay changes on the console version.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"] still the same concept.Zero5000X

Not at all, you can buy games on steam and you cant on battle.net

You know what i meant, Downloadable full games. http://us.battle.net/?rhtml=y

Im pretty sure you cant buy and download Empire Total War, Mirrors Edge, Crysis, Mass Effect,etc.... on Battle.net

You can only order Blizzard games and they get shipped to you, the are not Digital Distribution.

IMO Battle.net is completely differnt from GOG.com or Steam.

Battle.net 2.0/Diablo3 on consoles is a dream bud.

I dunno if Blizzard would do this but they could release it on the PS3 since it supports kb/m but that would make M$ really angry unless 360 does support kb/m and I was living under a rock :Pabuabed

The "consoles can use kb/m" argument has been debated so many times, its sickening. The majority of consoles are in the living room. The majority of console players play on couches. The majority of console players do not find it ideal to use a keyboard and mouse on a couch, especially leaning forward on a small table.

Console games played on keyboard/mouse is not going to happen, sorry. There is a reason why people were given things like this:

or this...

Don't need it on consoles, I'm getting D3 on the pc anyways.

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Not at all, you can buy games on steam and you cant on battle.net

kozzy1234

You know what i meant, Downloadable full games. http://us.battle.net/?rhtml=y

Im pretty sure you cant buy and download Empire Total War, Mirrors Edge, Crysis, Mass Effect,etc.... on Battle.net

You can only order Blizzard games and they get shipped to you, the are not Digital Distribution.

IMO Battle.net is completely differnt from GOG.com or Steam.

Battle.net 2.0/Diablo3 on consoles is a dream bud.

[QUOTE="abuabed"]I dunno if Blizzard would do this but they could release it on the PS3 since it supports kb/m but that would make M$ really angry unless 360 does support kb/m and I was living under a rock :PRedmoonxl2

The "consoles can use kb/m" argument has been debated so many times, its sickening. The majority of consoles are in the living room. The majority of console players play on couches. The majority of console players do not find it ideal to use a keyboard and mouse on a couch, especially leaning forward on a small table.

Console games played on keyboard/mouse is not going to happen, sorry. There is a reason why people were given things like this:

or this...

HAHAHA that gamecube controller is ridiculous

that gamecube controller is ridiculousRedmoonxl2