THE DEATH of ROCK BAND

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#1 TREAL_Since
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Konami Sues Viacom Over 'Rock Band'

How do you guy and gals think this will turn out? Sorry if old.

"Konami is demanding cash compensation, plus an order that would block Viacom and Harmonix from using the inventions, according to the complaint, filed yesterday in federal court in Marshall, Texas. The suit names Harmonix Music Systems, Viacom, and Viacom's MTV Networks Co., which owns Harmonix."

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#2 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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never played the games, but GO GUITAR HERO then
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I think Konami will win, what they will win however may not be entirely amazing. They'll just say they came up with it first, throw them a buck 50 and release RB2
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#4 thrones
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:O

I was just planning to buy rockband 1 (It came out very late in EU, so I'm not expecting RB2 till '09)

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never played the games, but GO GUITAR HERO thendarkspineslayer

Definitely. I was planning on buying GH4 anyways.

But why isn't this law suit against Red Octane as well? I'm assuming they went around the patent some way.

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#6 metroidfood
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This is so old. I mean, we had a thread like this a whole 8 minutes ago.
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#7 krunkfu2
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Finally, those DDR like games need to stop, especially when they make you pay for a tiny child's toy looking controller.
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#8 TREAL_Since
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This is so old. I mean, we had a thread like this a whole 8 minutes ago.metroidfood

Dang it! I've been beat :cry:.

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singstar has a microphone also...but they dont sue the creators of it? tsk tsk....geedy greedy konami.
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#10 falconclan
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Finally, those DDR like games need to stop, especially when they make you pay for a tiny child's toy looking controller.krunkfu2
DDR like game? Konami has made a dance game, drum game, singing game, guitar game, dj game. Its probably to vague to get them any where though. Like I said, they probably will win, but not get very much. Definately won't stop RB2 from coming out.
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[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]never played the games, but GO GUITAR HERO thenTREAL_Since

Definitely. I was planning on buying GH4 anyways.

But why isn't this law suit against Red Octane as well? I'm assuming they went around the patent some way.

they probably have to wait until gh 4 is out before filling a lawsuit.

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Death to bland rhythm games without a supreme and varied musical selection! :twisted:

I think Konami will win, but I highly doubt it'll stop them from creating a RB2.
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That's right. What about Singstar?

Also, has anyone ever played Guitar Freaks. If I'm not mistaken it was the first guitar based rhythm game. And Drum mania as well. They could geta pretty penny from this.

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Like I said in the other thread, good, hopefully this will take Rockband off of the market and stop the realease of Rock Band 2. Maybe im just jealous because im not rich enough to buy Rock Band, but I really dislike a game that costs so much, especially when so many other great games could be bought instead.
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#15 falconclan
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That's right. What about Singstar?

Also, has anyone ever played Guitar Freaks. If I'm not mistaken it was the first guitar based rhythm game. And Drum mania as well. They could geta pretty penny from this.

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I dont think they will get much of anything. Sure it copys the patent, but its just far too broad.
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Like I said in the other thread, good, hopefully this will take Rockband off of the market and stop the realease of Rock Band 2. Maybe im just jealous because im not rich enough to buy Rock Band, but I really dislike a game that costs so much, especially when so many other great games could be bought instead.ONLYDOD
:| Why? Rock Band is awesome. Personally, I propose that Lambos will stop being sold because I can't afford one.
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Rock Band will always live on!!

*goes to download Snow - Red Hot Chili Peppers*

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Like I said in the other thread, good, hopefully this will take Rockband off of the market and stop the realease of Rock Band 2. Maybe im just jealous because im not rich enough to buy Rock Band, but I really dislike a game that costs so much, especially when so many other great games could be bought instead.ONLYDOD

Rockband is expensive. The main reason I didn't buy it. But GH4 is almost $100 cheaper. I'm definitely getting it.

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GO KONAMI
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[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Like I said in the other thread, good, hopefully this will take Rockband off of the market and stop the realease of Rock Band 2. Maybe im just jealous because im not rich enough to buy Rock Band, but I really dislike a game that costs so much, especially when so many other great games could be bought instead.thrones
:| Why? Rock Band is awesome. Personally, I propose that Lambos will stop being sold because I can't afford one.

But unlike a high performance car, Rock Band is only one great game, where as you could buy alot of equally great games for a fraction of the cost of Rock Band. You can't buy X amount of cheaper cars and expect them to be equally as good as a high performance one, if you get what I mean...

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Like I said in the other thread, good, hopefully this will take Rockband off of the market and stop the realease of Rock Band 2. Maybe im just jealous because im not rich enough to buy Rock Band, but I really dislike a game that costs so much, especially when so many other great games could be bought instead.ONLYDOD
this is a really stupid reason.......you want a game that you have not played nor you can afford to go out of the market just based on that......on something as trival as price? :| if you really wanted the game, you can always save some money.......:| guess thats too hard
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[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Like I said in the other thread, good, hopefully this will take Rockband off of the market and stop the realease of Rock Band 2. Maybe im just jealous because im not rich enough to buy Rock Band, but I really dislike a game that costs so much, especially when so many other great games could be bought instead.Dante2710
this is a really stupid reason.......you want a game that you have not played nor you can afford to go out of the market just based on that......on something as trival as price? :| if you really wanted the game, you can always save some money.......:| guess thats too hard

When I could buy 3 new games and a not so new one for £140 instead of one game yes I do find it hard.

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Konami Sues Viacom Over 'Rock Band'

How do you guy and gals think this will turn out? Sorry if old.

"Konami is demanding cash compensation, plus an order that would block Viacom and Harmonix from using the inventions, according to the complaint, filed yesterday in federal court in Marshall, Texas. The suit names Harmonix Music Systems, Viacom, and Viacom's MTV Networks Co., which owns Harmonix."

TREAL_Since
LOL scared of a little competition???? "JUMP OUT" then :P and if you dont like, do what ea did because the incredible NFL2k series smeared thier preciouse madden into the ground....with a budget title no less...and just BUY out the ENTIRE music INDUSTRY....sheeeesh Konami.....
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For any who do not know Konami tryed the same thing with the DDR pads. Was in court for years and they failed. So this could delay games but in the end Konami could still lose.

Also DDR is so much better than rest of this crap..... :)

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Konami should just patent everything to do with music games and sell all the Beatmania IIDX's, Guitarfreaks', Drummania's and Keyboardmania's here in NA. Then I'd be happy.
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For any who do not know Konami tryed the same thing with the DDR pads. Was in court for years and they failed. So this could delay games but in the end Konami could still lose.

Also DDR is so much better than rest of this crap..... :)

HarlockJC

"Crap" as in American music games or as in other Konami music games? :question:

Because DDR is one of Konami's least best music games.
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Konami Sues Viacom Over 'Rock Band'

How do you guy and gals think this will turn out? Sorry if old.

"Konami is demanding cash compensation, plus an order that would block Viacom and Harmonix from using the inventions, according to the complaint, filed yesterday in federal court in Marshall, Texas. The suit names Harmonix Music Systems, Viacom, and Viacom's MTV Networks Co., which owns Harmonix."

jazreal
LOL scared of a little competition???? "JUMP OUT" then :P and if you dont like, do what ea did because the incredible NFL2k series smeared thier preciouse madden into the ground....with a budget title no less...and just BUY out the ENTIRE music INDUSTRY....sheeeesh Konami.....

smeared what?

1 year. They were better than madden for 1 year and that was NFL 2k5

A formula that madden 07 was far superior to in everyway but gets heat for "teh lack of teh innovation"

2k8 is the 2k5 formula. PRoof that the 2k5 formula is not good today and surpassed.

Madden 08 was a good step forward again for madden and a nice return to form.

Madden 09 is suppose to be adding alot. WIth the online functionality and more the core gameplay.

Madden 08 had better hitting
BEtter Secondary AI
The Weapon System
RUnning Backs felt different from each other(Not similar like they did in NFL 2k5)

Did EA do something wrong when they went for there NFL monopoly? YEs....OH wait THE NFL came to them first.

IS the lack of competition bad? Sure. That means we had to put up with Madden 06, Madden 07.

But Madden 08 was a nice return to form
and Madden 09 seems to be a nice step forward.

But im sure the 2K fans and some of the Sega fans will come in here with there blatant ignorance.
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[QUOTE="jazreal"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Konami Sues Viacom Over 'Rock Band'

How do you guy and gals think this will turn out? Sorry if old.

"Konami is demanding cash compensation, plus an order that would block Viacom and Harmonix from using the inventions, according to the complaint, filed yesterday in federal court in Marshall, Texas. The suit names Harmonix Music Systems, Viacom, and Viacom's MTV Networks Co., which owns Harmonix."

jg4xchamp
LOL scared of a little competition???? "JUMP OUT" then :P and if you dont like, do what ea did because the incredible NFL2k series smeared thier preciouse madden into the ground....with a budget title no less...and just BUY out the ENTIRE music INDUSTRY....sheeeesh Konami.....

smeared what?

1 year. They were better than madden for 1 year and that was NFL 2k5

A formula that madden 07 was far superior to in everyway but gets heat for "teh lack of teh innovation"

2k8 is the 2k5 formula. PRoof that the 2k5 formula is not good today and surpassed.

Madden 08 was a good step forward again for madden and a nice return to form.

Madden 09 is suppose to be adding alot. WIth the online functionality and more the core gameplay.

Madden 08 had better hitting
BEtter Secondary AI
The Weapon System
RUnning Backs felt different from each other(Not similar like they did in NFL 2k5)

Did EA do something wrong when they went for there NFL monopoly? YEs....OH wait THE NFL came to them first.

IS the lack of competition bad? Sure. That means we had to put up with Madden 06, Madden 07.

But Madden 08 was a nice return to form
and Madden 09 seems to be a nice step forward.

But im sure the 2K fans and some of the Sega fans will come in here with there blatant ignorance.

well....as much as I appreciate your words(all 3959693959063 of them :P j/k), does any of that truely(honestly now...come on :) ) change anything that i stated? i mean, if you bring the FUTURE from the point that IM speaking of...maybe/not(who knows), but what i said....its still true....right?
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[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Like I said in the other thread, good, hopefully this will take Rockband off of the market and stop the realease of Rock Band 2. Maybe im just jealous because im not rich enough to buy Rock Band, but I really dislike a game that costs so much, especially when so many other great games could be bought instead.TREAL_Since

Rockband is expensive. The main reason I didn't buy it. But GH4 is almost $100 cheaper. I'm definitely getting it.

It has a competing price tag.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="jazreal"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Konami Sues Viacom Over 'Rock Band'

How do you guy and gals think this will turn out? Sorry if old.

"Konami is demanding cash compensation, plus an order that would block Viacom and Harmonix from using the inventions, according to the complaint, filed yesterday in federal court in Marshall, Texas. The suit names Harmonix Music Systems, Viacom, and Viacom's MTV Networks Co., which owns Harmonix."

jazreal
LOL scared of a little competition???? "JUMP OUT" then :P and if you dont like, do what ea did because the incredible NFL2k series smeared thier preciouse madden into the ground....with a budget title no less...and just BUY out the ENTIRE music INDUSTRY....sheeeesh Konami.....

smeared what?

1 year. They were better than madden for 1 year and that was NFL 2k5

A formula that madden 07 was far superior to in everyway but gets heat for "teh lack of teh innovation"

2k8 is the 2k5 formula. PRoof that the 2k5 formula is not good today and surpassed.

Madden 08 was a good step forward again for madden and a nice return to form.

Madden 09 is suppose to be adding alot. WIth the online functionality and more the core gameplay.

Madden 08 had better hitting
BEtter Secondary AI
The Weapon System
RUnning Backs felt different from each other(Not similar like they did in NFL 2k5)

Did EA do something wrong when they went for there NFL monopoly? YEs....OH wait THE NFL came to them first.

IS the lack of competition bad? Sure. That means we had to put up with Madden 06, Madden 07.

But Madden 08 was a nice return to form
and Madden 09 seems to be a nice step forward.

But im sure the 2K fans and some of the Sega fans will come in here with there blatant ignorance.

well....as much as I appreciate your words(all 3959693959063 of them :P j/k), does any of that truely(honestly now...come on :) ) change anything that i stated? i mean, if you bring the FUTURE from the point that IM speaking of...maybe/not(who knows), but what i said....its still true....right?


1- My bad I usually write alot...mainly because I talk alot...so it makes sense
2- No i was just jumping the gun and expecting to here NFL 2k5 is still the best football game ever..NO it isn't it has been surpassed
3- Your point is valid, but I believe so is mine. It isn't like Football games haven't gotten better...they just haven't been amazing improvements in awhile
4- My Bad
5- No seriousaly my bad
6- GO COLTS
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and Go Cardinals bring back my Edge to the playoffs :cry:
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and Go Cardinals bring back my Edge to the playoffs :cry:jg4xchamp
You ROCK my friend ;)

1. I can appreciate that....alot :P 2. I hear yaz...i still remember the debates. however...and bare with me...i really did respect them for at least attempting the 1st person football:) as a gamer, i cant help but respect innovation...good or bad, but the act of trying to do something different 3. thanx, and 1000% agreed(your points being valid) 4. no bro, not at all :) 5. seriousley, not at all :P 6. i love the colts(respect everything about them for thier integrity and Christian attitude surrounding the team...but....GO COWBOYS :) sorry man, dont hit me. but you have to admit, they are looking good so far this off season ;) peace and Godspeed my friend

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[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Like I said in the other thread, good, hopefully this will take Rockband off of the market and stop the realease of Rock Band 2. Maybe im just jealous because im not rich enough to buy Rock Band, but I really dislike a game that costs so much, especially when so many other great games could be bought instead.TREAL_Since

Rockband is expensive. The main reason I didn't buy it. But GH4 is almost $100 cheaper. I'm definitely getting it.

But RB is a 100x better game. I guess parents dont buy their kids everything :roll:

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[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Like I said in the other thread, good, hopefully this will take Rockband off of the market and stop the realease of Rock Band 2. Maybe im just jealous because im not rich enough to buy Rock Band, but I really dislike a game that costs so much, especially when so many other great games could be bought instead.TREAL_Since

Rockband is expensive. The main reason I didn't buy it. But GH4 is almost $100 cheaper. I'm definitely getting it.

GH4 is rumored to cost $190.00 :|
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what's wrong konami, guitar hero isn't selling like it ahould? Well, this is a business but a lawsuit like this is rather absurd. They've definitely lost cool points with me.
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what's wrong konami, guitar hero isn't selling like it ahould? Well, this is a business but a lawsuit like this is rather absurd. They've definitely lost cool points with me. bulletwitch1
Agreed, and not to be mean or harsh, but still....
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]and Go Cardinals bring back my Edge to the playoffs :cry:jazreal

You ROCK my friend ;)

1. I can appreciate that....alot :P 2. I hear yaz...i still remember the debates. however...and bare with me...i really did respect them for at least attempting the 1st person football:) as a gamer, i cant help but respect innovation...good or bad, but the act of trying to do something different 3. thanx, and 1000% agreed(your points being valid) 4. no bro, not at all :) 5. seriousley, not at all :P 6. i love the colts(respect everything about them for thier integrity and Christian attitude surrounding the team...but....GO COWBOYS :) sorry man, dont hit me. but you have to admit, they are looking good so far this off season ;) peace and Godspeed my friend

They always look good in the offseason. The biggest issue is that division. The Giants are good. The Eagles are always a good defense(but more so this year), and The Redskins can be very good as well.

Plus The yare facing the AFC north. Ravens will be a tough defense
Steelers look like that 06 year was a fluke(the 6-10 one). Big Ben is getting better, and the defense is stacked
Browns look like an improving team- but they aren;t playoff ready
Bengals- well they suck on defense. But the Offense is very good. Carson Plamer, Chad JOhnson and TJ will give the cowboys a game.

So the lack of homefield advantage might work against them, depending on what team does win the NFC number 1 seed.
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[QUOTE="jazreal"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]and Go Cardinals bring back my Edge to the playoffs :cry:jg4xchamp

You ROCK my friend ;)

1. I can appreciate that....alot :P 2. I hear yaz...i still remember the debates. however...and bare with me...i really did respect them for at least attempting the 1st person football:) as a gamer, i cant help but respect innovation...good or bad, but the act of trying to do something different 3. thanx, and 1000% agreed(your points being valid) 4. no bro, not at all :) 5. seriousley, not at all :P 6. i love the colts(respect everything about them for thier integrity and Christian attitude surrounding the team...but....GO COWBOYS :) sorry man, dont hit me. but you have to admit, they are looking good so far this off season ;) peace and Godspeed my friend

They always look good in the offseason. The biggest issue is that division. The Giants are good. The Eagles are always a good defense(but more so this year), and The Redskins can be very good as well.

Plus The yare facing the AFC north. Ravens will be a tough defense
Steelers look like that 06 year was a fluke(the 6-10 one). Big Ben is getting better, and the defense is stacked
Browns look like an improving team- but they aren;t playoff ready
Bengals- well they suck on defense. But the Offense is very good. Carson Plamer, Chad JOhnson and TJ will give the cowboys a game.

So the lack of homefield advantage might work against them, depending on what team does win the NFC number 1 seed.

Awesome knowledge of current NFL situations my friend :) ya, you know, kinda sux that the boys' have to play the giants(superbowl team) TWICE this year. and you know, i have never understood why they dont take that into consideration when determining the"strength" of schedule??? anywayz, ya, the boys' have a heck of a road infront of them, but, if they do come out on top, nobody can say they had it easy :) (remembers the first and second superbowl winning seasons of the 90's when thier schedule included the hardest teams as the nfc east was FULL of superbowl winning teams just prior to those seasons, and the other teams, packers, niners, were, well, you know :) ) ya bro, so glad your into football, cause this season is going to be amazing for ANY fan of the game :) peace and Godspeed my friend(time to sleep for me)
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#39 Makari
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[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Like I said in the other thread, good, hopefully this will take Rockband off of the market and stop the realease of Rock Band 2. Maybe im just jealous because im not rich enough to buy Rock Band, but I really dislike a game that costs so much, especially when so many other great games could be bought instead.TREAL_Since

Rockband is expensive. The main reason I didn't buy it. But GH4 is almost $100 cheaper. I'm definitely getting it.

Wtf? GH4 is going to cost slightly MORE than RB did at launch. If you're buying the disc alone then yeah, both games are $60 or less. But Konami just named Harmonix to go after the 'smaller guy.' If it works on them and RB, it'll give them precedent to take out GH4 right afterward too... so if RB goes down, so will GH, since Harmonix made the first two GH games anyway.
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]For any who do not know Konami tryed the same thing with the DDR pads. Was in court for years and they failed. So this could delay games but in the end Konami could still lose.

Also DDR is so much better than rest of this crap..... :)

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"Crap" as in American music games or as in other Konami music games? :question:

Because DDR is one of Konami's least best music games.

No crap in o crap he was kidding.... That kind :)

But still DDR is my fav