The decline of the Xbox 360.

Current and future prospects for the 360 do not look good at all... Games that used to be 360 exclusives have jumped ship to other platforms, games like Oblivion, Gears Of War, Bioshock and now Mass Effect and there aren't allot of exclusives coming out in the future either, all I can think of is Too Human, NG2, Fable 2 and the two racing franchises. The 360 has been selling very well in North America but in the rest of the world it's been a distant third. According to VGChartz the PS3 has been outselling the 360 in total worldwide sales for many weeks now and the Wii much longer than that and this will probably continue due to intense competition from Nintendo and Sony and declining demand in the 360. In 2008 the PS3 will have tittles such as MGS4, KZ2, GT5, LBP, Haze, Heavy Rain, L.A. Noir, Motorstorm 2 and possibly FFXIII. I think most of the people who want an Xbox 360 already own one but you definitely can't say that about the Wii and PS3. There are still Wii shortages so you now there's still demand out there for it, as for the PS3 With all the games coming out listed above along with another price cut or two in 2008 demand will skyrocket for the PS3 as more and more of that HUGE PS2 owner base makes the transition to the PS3. The 360's prospects for 2008 and beyond don't look good when you combine declining demand with only a handful of exclusives left on the system and intense competition from competitors.

Here's a great article about the decline of the Xbox 360 since launch, read it if you want to know the truth...

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/01/31/video-game-consoles-2007-wii-ps3-and-the-death-of-microsofts-xbox-360/

failed to capitalize when they had an edge

a shame

the biggest thing: the competition still has something in its chamber

sony has a large list of games coming up

as does the wii (plus the wii has actual shortages to contend with to further boost their sales)

microsoft fired off (arguably) its largest bullet in halo3 already. and it didn't do much.

failed to capitalize when they had an edge

a shame

jetpropilot

Pretty much the truth. If they hadn't screwed up on the hardware design so much they probably could've walked away with this gen. And really this was probably their only chance to knock out Sony.... I doubt they'll ever let themselves get in the position they were at the PS3 launch again.

the biggest thing: the competition still has something in its chamber

sony has a large list of games coming up

as does the wii (plus the wii has actual shortages to contend with to further boost their sales)

microsoft fired off (arguably) its largest bullet in halo3 already. and it didn't do much.

jetpropilot

I agree MS fired off most of their bullets in 2007 with games like Halo 3, BS and ME but Sony and Nintendo still have aces up their sleeve for the future.

[QUOTE="jetpropilot"]

failed to capitalize when they had an edge

a shame

Lazy_Boy88

Pretty much the truth. If they hadn't screwed up on the hardware design so much they probably could've walked away with this gen. And really this was probably their only chance to knock out Sony.... I doubt they'll ever let themselves get in the position they were at the PS3 launch again.

improved reliability

dropped cost of system

dropped cost of live

so many things they could've done to shut the door on sony

I stopped reading your fanboy crap when you claimed that the 360 lost Bioshock & Oblivion as exclusives...... Gamespot should administer IQ tests to people before they are allowed to post in these forums.Veterngamer

I know the the truth hurts man but you don't have to be rude and sling childish insults at people...

[QUOTE="Veterngamer"]I stopped reading your fanboy crap when you claimed that the 360 lost Bioshock & Oblivion as exclusives...... Gamespot should administer IQ tests to people before they are allowed to post in these forums.jdt532

I know the the truth hurts man but you don't have to be rude and sling childish insults at people...

GT5 , Heavy Rain, L.A. Noir, Motorstorm 2 and possibly FFXIII. I would peg all of those games for 2009 release unless we hear otherwise. L.A.Noire is definitely not 2008 , we already got the news.

I'm a console gamer, so the fact that some 360 games are "not exclusive" because they are on the PC does NOT make me inclined to go towards a PS3.

PC gaming is, to me, REALLY different than consoles.

[QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="Veterngamer"]I stopped reading your fanboy crap when you claimed that the 360 lost Bioshock & Oblivion as exclusives...... Gamespot should administer IQ tests to people before they are allowed to post in these forums.il-cattivo

I know the the truth hurts man but you don't have to be rude and sling childish insults at people...

I see, I was wrong on those two games so they were never 360 exclusive then. Thanks for politely pointing that out. :)

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="jetpropilot"]

failed to capitalize when they had an edge

a shame

jetpropilot

Pretty much the truth. If they hadn't screwed up on the hardware design so much they probably could've walked away with this gen. And really this was probably their only chance to knock out Sony.... I doubt they'll ever let themselves get in the position they were at the PS3 launch again.

improved reliability

dropped cost of system

dropped cost of live

so many things they could've done to shut the door on sony

i dont think shutting the door on sony was ever possible, i used to have a 360 then i dumped it for a ps3 when they started to get it together like they did with the 1st and 2nd. i could not be more happy with my choice. but the 360 is far from dying off its just that sony and ninty built better more reliable sysrems.

Giant wall of text hurts my eyes.

But what a giant load of baloney. Seriously. Microsoft made Gears, Halo 2, probably Halo 3 multi-plat to make money.
Those ports can only run on Windows. Fancy that. Secondly, Gears and Halo 3 (when it comes to PC) need a gold Xbox Live subscription to work. Fancy that.

The 360 isn't declining -- it's been on the market for an extra year, so come this time next year Wii and PS3 sales will follow the 360's sales trend... just a year late.

It was actually quit brilliant of M$ -- taking advantage of people thinking the killer app is only for 360 to boost 360 sales, then release it later on PC so others have to buy Vista, possibly a gold subscription if they don't have an Xbox, and overall simply give M$ money.

And yes, M$ sure screwed up with the RROD (which isn't nearly as common as people here pretend), byt M$ has easily recovered the losses to extend the RROD warranty from Xbox Live. They are making approximately 200 million every two months from Xbox Live.
(10 million member x 10$ a month)

what other platform is gears of war 2 and bioshock going to be on? or mass effect?

i heard they were coming to ps3

Giant wall of text hurts my eyes.

But what a giant load of baloney. Seriously. Microsoft made Gears, Halo 2, probably Halo 3 multi-plat to make money.
Those ports can only run on Windows. Fancy that. Secondly, Gears and Halo 3 (when it comes to PC) need a gold Xbox Live subscription to work. Fancy that.

The 360 isn't declining -- it's been on the market for an extra year, so come this time next year Wii and PS3 sales will follow the 360's sales trend... just a year late.

It was actually quit brilliant of M$ -- taking advantage of people thinking the killer app is only for 360 to boost 360 sales, then release it later on PC so others have to buy Vista, possibly a gold subscription if they don't have an Xbox, and overall simply give M$ money.

awsss

I have a Vista and I'd rather use dog crap as my computer, I'd be a helluva lot more competent just because it would keep asking me "DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE THIS?" then ask that 20 more times and reboot my comp and get the res all f***ed up.

I'm a console gamer, so the fact that some 360 games are "not exclusive" because they are on the PC does NOT make me inclined to go towards a PS3.

PC gaming is, to me, REALLY different than consoles.

leilamayhem

Exactly. When the average consumer or casual sees a 360 game, they don't care or probably wouldn't even know if that game could be on the PC Gaming For Windows too.

GT5 , Heavy Rain, L.A. Noir, Motorstorm 2 and possibly FFXIII. I would peg all of those games for 2009 release unless we hear otherwise. L.A.Noire is definitely not 2008 , we already got the news.

Nike_Air

You may be right about L.A. Noir but the rest of those are still possible for 2008. My main point anyway is that over 2008 and beyond there aren't allot of 360 exclusives coming out compared to other consoles.

The "truth"? More like an opinion...

Last time I checked I can still play those games that are "jumping ship". Plus Oblivion and Bioshock were never exclusive. :|

So I guess the big ones are Mass Effect and Gears of War but I don't care whatsoever because my PC can't play those games. That's one reason why I have and like my 360.

I also am looking foward a lot more to the 360's 2008 line up than any other consoles'.

You know what the truth is, it has the best games and easily debatebly has the best games coming out.

my 08 buy list (for games this year, i still have to catch up on some from before though)-italics = exlusive

- lost odyssey=jrpg

- fable 2= action rph

- ninja gaiden 2= action

- resident evil 5=TPS

- too human= action rpg

- gta4= sandbox

- the last remnant= somewhat real time jrpg

- cry on= action jrpg

- devil may cry 4= action

- banjo 3= platformer

- fallout 3= rpg

- infinite undiscovery= somewhat real time jrpg

dude paragraphs are good...

But yea Im not sure if it really a decline in 360, but more of a rise of the PS3

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

GT5 , Heavy Rain, L.A. Noir, Motorstorm 2 and possibly FFXIII. I would peg all of those games for 2009 release unless we hear otherwise. L.A.Noire is definitely not 2008 , we already got the news.

jdt532

You may be right about L.A. Noir but the rest of those are still possible for 2008. My main point anyway is that over 2008 and beyond there aren't allot of 360 exclusives coming out compared to other consoles.

It's weird that you know everything about the future. Microsoft has been mum about 2009 all these time and so has Sony....so what makes you think that M$ won't have quality games in 09 and beyond...wait you don't.

Distant third? Last i heard it was getting owned in japan, like always, was selling very well in the USA and UK, as always, and was selling roughly the same as the PS3 elsewhere.

Also; VGcharts shaved 800,000 off the wii figures, and 150,000 off the PS3 last month. Never quote them again.

[QUOTE="awsss"]

Giant wall of text hurts my eyes.

But what a giant load of baloney. Seriously. Microsoft made Gears, Halo 2, probably Halo 3 multi-plat to make money.
Those ports can only run on Windows. Fancy that. Secondly, Gears and Halo 3 (when it comes to PC) need a gold Xbox Live subscription to work. Fancy that.

The 360 isn't declining -- it's been on the market for an extra year, so come this time next year Wii and PS3 sales will follow the 360's sales trend... just a year late.

It was actually quit brilliant of M$ -- taking advantage of people thinking the killer app is only for 360 to boost 360 sales, then release it later on PC so others have to buy Vista, possibly a gold subscription if they don't have an Xbox, and overall simply give M$ money.

Slashkice

Gears of War is also playable on Macs. And I need an Xbox Live Gold account to play PC games? oh lulz

All consoles follow the same sales trends? That's just horrid logic.

That's the problem: those "killer apps" didn't make much of a dent.

It's called Games for Windows Live. Not xbox live.

[QUOTE="leilamayhem"]

I'm a console gamer, so the fact that some 360 games are "not exclusive" because they are on the PC does NOT make me inclined to go towards a PS3.

PC gaming is, to me, REALLY different than consoles.

ReverseCycology

Exactly. When the average consumer or casual sees a 360 game, they don't care or probably wouldn't even know if that game could be on the PC Gaming For Windows too.

Yes but there aren't allot of casual gamers with a 360 anyway, the 360 has more hardcore gamers and most casuals own a Wii. Those who own a 360 are pretty likely to own a decent PC as well.

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

GT5 , Heavy Rain, L.A. Noir, Motorstorm 2 and possibly FFXIII. I would peg all of those games for 2009 release unless we hear otherwise. L.A.Noire is definitely not 2008 , we already got the news.

jdt532

You may be right about L.A. Noir but the rest of those are still possible for 2008. My main point anyway is that over 2008 and beyond there aren't allot of 360 exclusives coming out compared to other consoles.

PS3 has Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid on the way. 360 has Ninja Gaiden 2 and Gears 2 on the way. Granted i'll happily agree that i'll probably be buying more PS3 than 360 games this year, the idea that the 360 has a bad lineup compared to the PS3 this year is a myth.

My personal opinions (read that one carefully) on why I don't like the exclusive line up. (most of the games I am really looking forward to are multiplats that I can play on my 360)

MGS4- unless this game scores a perfect 10 I won't be getting it...I have never liked the MGS series and I probably will find myself bored of this one as well

KZ2- The first one was simply too average...nothing about the game really seperated it from every other shooter...compared the the shooters out on BOTH systems I doubt this will be a very worth while exclusive.

GT5 - Not a fan of racing games

Haze- refer to parts of KZ2

Heavy Rain- Don't care

L.A. Noir- don't care

Motorstorm 2 - Dont like racing games

Best game of 08 will be multiplat IMO...this is the year of the multiplats xP

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="leilamayhem"]

I'm a console gamer, so the fact that some 360 games are "not exclusive" because they are on the PC does NOT make me inclined to go towards a PS3.

PC gaming is, to me, REALLY different than consoles.

jdt532

Exactly. When the average consumer or casual sees a 360 game, they don't care or probably wouldn't even know if that game could be on the PC Gaming For Windows too.

Yes but there aren't allot of casual gamers with a 360 anyway, the 360 has more hardcore gamers and most casuals own a Wii. Those who own a 360 are pretty likely to own a decent PC as well.

I'm agreeing with you less and less with every post. People who have a 360 are more likely to own a high end PC? Nonsense. It's the opposite. If your PC blows, you get a 360. If you have an awesome PC, the 360 is the last thing you'd want. I should know. Most of it's games end up on the PC any way, so why on earth would you drop all that cash on something when most of the stuff you'll be buying for it will easily play on the PC you already have?

Stop making stuff up.

My personal opinions (read that one carefully) on why I don't like the exclusive line up. (most of the games I am really looking forward to are multiplats that I can play on my 360)

MGS4- unless this game scores a perfect 10 I won't be getting it...I have never liked the MGS series and I probably will find myself bored of this one as well

KZ2- The first one was simply too average...nothing about the game really seperated it from every other shooter...compared the the shooters out on BOTH systems I doubt this will be a very worth while exclusive.

GT5 - Not a fan of racing games

Haze- refer to parts of KZ2

Heavy Rain- Don't care

L.A. Noir- don't care

Motorstorm 2 - Dont like racing games

Best game of 08 will be multiplat IMO...this is the year of the multiplats xP

UnknownSniper65

Did you conveniently forget Resistance 2?

Also, your opinions =/= the rest of the gaming industry.

zomg lots of wordsArsenal325

omg...too many letters too.

Did you conveniently forget Resistance 2?

Also, your opinions =/= the rest of the gaming industry.

dgsag

I'm fairly sure that's why he bolded the word "opinion" and even wrote in brackets to make sure you're aware of the fact that it's only his opinion.

Wow. :|

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

My personal opinions (read that one carefully) on why I don't like the exclusive line up. (most of the games I am really looking forward to are multiplats that I can play on my 360)

MGS4- unless this game scores a perfect 10 I won't be getting it...I have never liked the MGS series and I probably will find myself bored of this one as well

KZ2- The first one was simply too average...nothing about the game really seperated it from every other shooter...compared the the shooters out on BOTH systems I doubt this will be a very worth while exclusive.

GT5 - Not a fan of racing games

Haze- refer to parts of KZ2

Heavy Rain- Don't care

L.A. Noir- don't care

Motorstorm 2 - Dont like racing games

Best game of 08 will be multiplat IMO...this is the year of the multiplats xP

dgsag

Did you conveniently forget Resistance 2?

Also, your opinions =/= the rest of the gaming industry.

LMAO. Wow. You must need some reading glasses or something. Isn't that why he said "opinions" all over his post. Now, you are going to tell what he should like and buy?

[QUOTE="awsss"]

Giant wall of text hurts my eyes.

But what a giant load of baloney. Seriously. Microsoft made Gears, Halo 2, probably Halo 3 multi-plat to make money.
Those ports can only run on Windows. Fancy that. Secondly, Gears and Halo 3 (when it comes to PC) need a gold Xbox Live subscription to work. Fancy that.

The 360 isn't declining -- it's been on the market for an extra year, so come this time next year Wii and PS3 sales will follow the 360's sales trend... just a year late.

It was actually quit brilliant of M$ -- taking advantage of people thinking the killer app is only for 360 to boost 360 sales, then release it later on PC so others have to buy Vista, possibly a gold subscription if they don't have an Xbox, and overall simply give M$ money.

Slashkice

Gears of War is also playable on Macs. And I need an Xbox Live Gold account to play PC games? oh lulz

All consoles follow the same sales trends? That's just horrid logic.

That's the problem: those "killer apps" didn't make much of a dent.

[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="leilamayhem"]

I'm a console gamer, so the fact that some 360 games are "not exclusive" because they are on the PC does NOT make me inclined to go towards a PS3.

PC gaming is, to me, REALLY different than consoles.

Ninja-Vox

Exactly. When the average consumer or casual sees a 360 game, they don't care or probably wouldn't even know if that game could be on the PC Gaming For Windows too.

Yes but there aren't allot of casual gamers with a 360 anyway, the 360 has more hardcore gamers and most casuals own a Wii. Those who own a 360 are pretty likely to own a decent PC as well.

I'm agreeing with you less and less with every post. People who have a 360 are more likely to own a high end PC? Nonsense. It's the opposite. If your PC blows, you get a 360. If you have an awesome PC, the 360 is the last thing you'd want. I should know. Most of it's games end up on the PC any way, so why on earth would you drop all that cash on something when most of the stuff you'll be buying for it will easily play on the PC you already have?

Stop making stuff up.

Exactly. The only thing I'm missing is a nice gaming PC but I doubt I'll ever get one because I'm not a PC gamer. I'm using a laptop right now and we only have laptops in this home.

[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

GT5 , Heavy Rain, L.A. Noir, Motorstorm 2 and possibly FFXIII. I would peg all of those games for 2009 release unless we hear otherwise. L.A.Noire is definitely not 2008 , we already got the news.

Ninja-Vox

You may be right about L.A. Noir but the rest of those are still possible for 2008. My main point anyway is that over 2008 and beyond there aren't allot of 360 exclusives coming out compared to other consoles.

PS3 has Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid on the way. 360 has Ninja Gaiden 2 and Gears 2 on the way. Granted i'll happily agree that i'll probably be buying more PS3 than 360 games this year, the idea that the 360 has a bad lineup compared to the PS3 this year is a myth.

Ninja Gaiden 2 would be awesome as a PS3 fan if I didn't already have Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Devil May Cry and Uncharted. As it is I've got a ton of great action games.

It is alright. Sony is off to a good start this year and in all honesty, they deserve it. They had to go through alot in all of '07 and they still managed to deliver their console a good holiday season. I can't help but think that 360 fans are slightly in denial by what is going on and the power of Sony's '08 lineup. It is all up to taste sure, but in all reality the 360 will not have a lineup nearly as good as the 360's in 07. Even if the PS3 can somewhat match it, your going to see people go out and start buying PS3's now. Shensolidus

I think slashing 100 dollars off did the trick for PS3, and looking at all consoles, sales slow down and with no imminent price cut for PS3, I don't think it's going to sell like super crazy as some Cows predicit, but definately more than 360 though, definately.

By the way, not everyone is into blockbuster titles... For example, ICO for PS2 was nowhere near a blockbuster game, but it was still really good...

Two things.

1) That's your opnion.

2) Not a credible website.

Nuff said.

[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

GT5 , Heavy Rain, L.A. Noir, Motorstorm 2 and possibly FFXIII. I would peg all of those games for 2009 release unless we hear otherwise. L.A.Noire is definitely not 2008 , we already got the news.

dkhw

You may be right about L.A. Noir but the rest of those are still possible for 2008. My main point anyway is that over 2008 and beyond there aren't allot of 360 exclusives coming out compared to other consoles.

It's weird that you know everything about the future. Microsoft has been mum about 2009 all these time and so has Sony....so what makes you think that M$ won't have quality games in 09 and beyond...wait you don't.

Why wouldn't MS want people to know about all the sweet games they have coming out?... Do they actually want people to lose interest in their system?...

As for the PS3 we do know what's coming out in 2008 and beyond...

MGS4

KZ2

LBP

Haze

GT5

Heavy Rain

L.A. Noir

Rockstar Games next franchise

FFXIII

FFXIII Versus

Uncharted: Drakes Fortune 2

Resistance 2

Motorstorm 2

Heavenly Sword 2

God Of War 3

and I'm probably missing others...

the biggest thing: the competition still has something in its chamber

sony has a large list of games coming up

as does the wii (plus the wii has actual shortages to contend with to further boost their sales)

microsoft fired off (arguably) its largest bullet in halo3 already. and it didn't do much.

jetpropilot

Yeah.. Halo 3 didn't do anything. It just pushed out about another 250K XBox 360 worldwide during the month of Sept. Just look at the chart in the article between Aug and Oct 07. See that LARGE BLUE INCREASE SPIKE. That's because of HALO 3. So yeah, Halo 3 had no impact on the XBox 360 sales. :lol: :roll:

Ninja Gaiden 2 would be awesome as a PS3 fan if I didn't already have Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Devil May Cry and Uncharted. As it is I've got a ton of great action games.

Gears 2 I'm excited about, but who knows with Microsofts current relationship with Epic if or when thats coming out.EmperorSupreme

Never compare Ninja Gaiden to Heavenly Sword and Uncharted. To do so is to yell "i dont know what i'm talking about" at the top of your lungs.

Devil May Cry is somewhat similar, especially the new one. You still dont have a point though. Ninja Gaiden 2 will be an amazing game if it's anything like the first one. Therefore, to say there are no good games coming out on the 360 this year is wrong, because there's one right there.

Also; microsoft's current relationship with Epic? The company which just dropped support of the PC in favour of consoles, citing the massive success of it's 360 shooter as the reason? Ok...