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#51 Ninja-Vox
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Why wouldn't MS want people to know about all the sweet games they have coming out?... Do they actually want people to lose interest in their system?...

As for the PS3 we do know what's coming out in 2008 and beyond...

MGS4

KZ2

LBP

Haze

GT5

Heavy Rain

L.A. Noir

Rockstar Games next franchise

FFXIII

FFXIII Versus

Uncharted: Drakes Fortune 2

Resistance 2

Motorstorm 2

Heavenly Sword 2

God Of War 3

and I'm probably missing others...

jdt532

You expect us to get hyped for "uncharted 2" and "next rockstar franchise". :| Naming every game in development as upcoming awesomeness isn't the best logic to adopt.

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#52 Snowboarder99
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Don't forget other games that left the 360. Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto, and Assassins Creed............oh wait
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#54 jdt532
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[QUOTE="jdt532"]

Why wouldn't MS want people to know about all the sweet games they have coming out?... Do they actually want people to lose interest in their system?...

As for the PS3 we do know what's coming out in 2008 and beyond...

MGS4

KZ2

LBP

Haze

GT5

Heavy Rain

L.A. Noir

Rockstar Games next franchise

FFXIII

FFXIII Versus

Uncharted: Drakes Fortune 2

Resistance 2

Motorstorm 2

Heavenly Sword 2

God Of War 3

and I'm probably missing others...

Ninja-Vox

You expect us to get hyped for "uncharted 2" and "next rockstar franchise". :| Naming every game in development as upcoming awesomeness isn't the best logic to adopt.

Now your true colors are showing... You've probably never even played Uncharted if you think it wasn't a good game... and the next RS franchise IS big... Don't be one of those people who put down games just because they aren't on their console of choice...

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#55 dkhw
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

Why wouldn't MS want people to know about all the sweet games they have coming out?... Do they actually want people to lose interest in their system?...

As for the PS3 we do know what's coming out in 2008 and beyond...

MGS4

KZ2

LBP

Haze

GT5

Heavy Rain

L.A. Noir

Rockstar Games next franchise

FFXIII

FFXIII Versus

Uncharted: Drakes Fortune 2

Resistance 2

Motorstorm 2

Heavenly Sword 2

God Of War 3

and I'm probably missing others...

jdt532

You expect us to get hyped for "uncharted 2" and "next rockstar franchise". :| Naming every game in development as upcoming awesomeness isn't the best logic to adopt.

Now your true colors are showing... You've probably never even played Uncharted if you think it wasn't a good game... and the next RS franchise IS big... Don't be one of those people who put down games just because they aren't on their console of choice...

Actually, only thing I see is a Cow and a Cow mooing. Seriously, it's good to have a necessary hype for a game, but there has to be certain level of skepticism and reality as well. By the way, when was Uncharted 2 announced? Wait...it wasn't, but you assumed it?!?

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#56 Snowboarder99
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Now your true colors are showing... You've probably never even played Uncharted if you think it wasn't a good game... and the next RS franchise IS big... Don't be one of those people who put down games just because they aren't on their console of choice...

jdt532

Okay way to misinterpret his entire post. He didn't say Uncharted was a bad game. He's saying Uncharted 2 is so far off into the future, it is hard to get excited for it especially since we know NOTHING about it, like has it even been announced? Same with the Rockstar game.

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Now your true colors are showing... You've probably never even played Uncharted if you think it wasn't a good game... and the next RS franchise IS big... Don't be one of those people who put down games just because they aren't on their console of choice...

jdt532

Great logic there. If only you weren't talking to the guy who posted pictures of Uncharted on his new HDTV the day it came out and talked about how awesome it was. :roll:

You completely missed the point. At no point did i say any of the games were bad; obviously you're reading another post. My point was that you cannot simply name games in development and say "look, awesomeness is coming!" Uncharted just released late last year. As if Uncharted 2 is anywhere near release. And "next rockstar franchise" isn't a game i can look forward to because it isn't even a game yet. It's a plan on a piece of paper.

So like i said; hype upcoming games. Dont just list every title in development like every one is pure gold on the horizon.

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I'm glad they had a run, it reminds the others they have competition.
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#59 jdt532
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Actually, only thing I see is a Cow and a Cow mooing. Seriously, it's good to have a necessary hype for a game, but there has to be certain level of skepticism and reality as well. By the way, when was Uncharted 2 announced? Wait...it wasn't, but you assumedkhw

Naughty Dog interviews where they talk about Uncharted being a franchise so it's only a matter of time when they "officially" announce Uncharted 2....

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The same things being said about Uncharted 2 can be said about Gears of War 2. Both haven't been announced and we don't know squat on either except that they are indevelopment. Btw, let it be noted that once a company has its PS3 engine running smooth it is quite simple to make a PS3 game within a year (it took Insomniac using their PS3 engine 13 months to make Ratchet & Clank).
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The problem with these threads is that they are based upon revisionist history. Before this generation started did anyone seriously expect the 360 to win?

Or the Wii for that matter?

Of course not.

The 360 is not in decline per se....IMO that is a far too short term perspective. The 360 will exceed the Xbox by a minimum 50%.

The Wii is obliterating the competition and is a stunning success.

The PS3 is guaranteed to lose huge marketshare compared to the PS2.

Japan was Sonyland. Europe was Sonyland. America was Sonyland. Everywhere was Sonyland to the tune of 75% marketshare. Think about that. 3/4 units sold were PS2.

Sony should be hammering Nintendo...they should be hammering 360. Yet they aren't. This generation 3/4 units sold are not Sony's. That and the Wii success are the real stories.

The obsessive focus on the 360 is amusing, but nothing more than ignoring the big picture.

All hail Nintendo.

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#63 HeHateMe_basic
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360 is on track to top xbox sales.

and ms still hasnt hit the cheap mark yet. thats still an ace in thier sleeve

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The same things being said about Uncharted 2 can be said about Gears of War 2. Both haven't been announced and we don't know squat on either except that they are indevelopment. Btw, let it be noted that once a company has its PS3 engine running smooth it is quite simple to make a PS3 game within a year (it took Insomniac using their PS3 engine 13 months to make Ratchet & Clank).Shensolidus

Actually Gears of War 2 has been announced. I believe

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The same things being said about Uncharted 2 can be said about Gears of War 2. Both haven't been announced and we don't know squat on either except that they are indevelopment. Btw, let it be noted that once a company has its PS3 engine running smooth it is quite simple to make a PS3 game within a year (it took Insomniac using their PS3 engine 13 months to make Ratchet & Clank).Shensolidus

Uncharted 2 and Gears 2 are not comparable. One came out a year and four months ago, they other came out late last year. Epic aren't working on any PC games, and only had one team working on UT3; they've already said they've pulled from the PC to pursue their more successful console games, and even quoted Gears of War and it's sales. They also said it'll at least be a trilogy.

It's obviously in development. And it'll be here much sooner than any sequel to uncharted, or before the release of "next rockstar franchise game".

Of course it isn't official, but it's far more educated an assumption than the others.

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Oblivion was a Xbox 360 exclusive? :lol: What? Name one Bioware game that isn't on the PC.
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[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]The same things being said about Uncharted 2 can be said about Gears of War 2. Both haven't been announced and we don't know squat on either except that they are indevelopment. Btw, let it be noted that once a company has its PS3 engine running smooth it is quite simple to make a PS3 game within a year (it took Insomniac using their PS3 engine 13 months to make Ratchet & Clank).Ninja-Vox

Uncharted 2 and Gears 2 are not comparable. One came out a year and four months ago, they other came out late last year. Epic aren't working on any PC games, and only had one team working on UT3; they've already said they've pulled from the PC to pursue their more successful console games, and even quoted Gears of War and it's sales. They also said it'll at least be a trilogy.

It's obviously in development. And it'll be here much sooner than any sequel to uncharted, or before the release of "next rockstar franchise game".

Of course it isn't official, but it's far more educated an assumption than the others.

Oh it hasn't been announced? I don't know why I thought it was

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#68 Ninja-Vox
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Oh it hasn't been announced? I don't know why I thought it was

Snowboarder99

Mark Rein announced there would be a trilogy. Cliffy B announced that only one team was working on UT3. He also said that they were pulling support for the PC to work on their console franchises, and quoted Gears as the reason why.

Mark Rein also said people shouldn't buy whatever magazine was touting new info on Gears 2, saying "we haven't revealed anything about it yet", thus acknowledging it's existance.

None of that counts as "official" though, sadly. :P

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#69 Snowboarder99
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[QUOTE="Snowboarder99"]

Oh it hasn't been announced? I don't know why I thought it was

Ninja-Vox

Mark Rein announced there would be a trilogy. Cliffy B announced that only one team was working on UT3. He also said that they were pulling support for the PC to work on their console franchises, and quoted Gears as the reason why.

Mark Rein also said people shouldn't buy whatever magazine was touting new info on Gears 2, saying "we haven't revealed anything about it yet", thus acknowledging it's existance.

None of that counts as "official" though, sadly. :P

Lol yeah, that and Gamespot already has a page for it

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The problem with these threads is that they are based upon revisionist history. Before this generation started did anyone seriously expect the 360 to win?

Or the Wii for that matter?

Of course not.

The 360 is not in decline per se....IMO that is a far too short term perspective. The 360 will exceed the Xbox by a minimum 50%.

The Wii is obliterating the competition and is a stunning success.

The PS3 is guaranteed to lose huge marketshare compared to the PS2.

Japan was Sonyland. Europe was Sonyland. America was Sonyland. Everywhere was Sonyland to the tune of 75% marketshare. Think about that. 3/4 units sold were PS2.

Sony should be hammering Nintendo...they should be hammering 360. Yet they aren't. This generation 3/4 units sold are not Sony's. That and the Wii success are the real stories.

The obsessive focus on the 360 is amusing, but nothing more than ignoring the big picture.

All hail Nintendo.

SUD123456
Very true. This is blown out of proportion. Like when a lot of PS3 exclusives became multiplat. Oh well, at least the OP isn't claiming that the 360 was going to be dead soon.
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[QUOTE="jdt532"]

Now your true colors are showing... You've probably never even played Uncharted if you think it wasn't a good game... and the next RS franchise IS big... Don't be one of those people who put down games just because they aren't on their console of choice...

Ninja-Vox

Great logic there. If only you weren't talking to the guy who posted pictures of Uncharted on his new HDTV the day it came out and talked about how awesome it was. :roll:

You completely missed the point. At no point did i say any of the games were bad; obviously you're reading another post. My point was that you cannot simply name games in development and say "look, awesomeness is coming!" Uncharted just released late last year. As if Uncharted 2 is anywhere near release. And "next rockstar franchise" isn't a game i can look forward to because it isn't even a game yet. It's a plan on a piece of paper.

So like i said; hype upcoming games. Dont just list every title in development like every one is pure gold on the horizon.

I'm just using the same logic most people use in these debates.... By YOUR logic you can't point to any game that's not finished and played at least once as a game to look forword to... When did I say any of the games on that list are "gold"?...

The whole point to my lists is to point out games that most gamers will at least look at as POTENTIAL good games just like when 360 owners point to NG2, Too Human, Fable 2, Gears 2, etc., games that aren't out and nobody knows if they will be good or not.

As for Uncharted 2 I wouldn't say we know NOTHING about it... I believe ND is on record saying most of the charcters will be back and we pretty much know it will be an action platformer...

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#72 Ninja-Vox
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

Now your true colors are showing... You've probably never even played Uncharted if you think it wasn't a good game... and the next RS franchise IS big... Don't be one of those people who put down games just because they aren't on their console of choice...

jdt532

Great logic there. If only you weren't talking to the guy who posted pictures of Uncharted on his new HDTV the day it came out and talked about how awesome it was. :roll:

You completely missed the point. At no point did i say any of the games were bad; obviously you're reading another post. My point was that you cannot simply name games in development and say "look, awesomeness is coming!" Uncharted just released late last year. As if Uncharted 2 is anywhere near release. And "next rockstar franchise" isn't a game i can look forward to because it isn't even a game yet. It's a plan on a piece of paper.

So like i said; hype upcoming games. Dont just list every title in development like every one is pure gold on the horizon.

I'm just using the same logic most people use in these debates.... By YOUR logic you can't point to any game that's not finished and played at least once as a game to look forword to... When did I say any of the games on that list are "gold"?...

The whole point to my lists is to point out games that most gamers will at least look at as POTENTIAL good games just like when 360 owners point to NG2, Too Human, Fable 2, Gears 2, etc., games that aren't out and nobody knows if they will be good or not.

As for Uncharted 2 I wouldn't say we know NOTHING about it... I believe ND is on record saying most of the charcters will be back and we pretty much know it will be an action platformer...

So you're honestly going to say you didn't massively misinterpret my post and were completely incorrect to claim i was a fanboy who had never played Uncharted? If that's the case, shall we all just leave this thread? As if you cant accept fault in the face of beind undeniably wrong, that doesn't leave much room for discussion, does it?

By MY logic, we cant point to any game which isn't finished? Where did i say that? What posts are you reading? I said it twice, and somebody else even intervened and clarified it for you; alls i said was, you cant just list every game in development as upcoming greatness. I cannot believe you're comparing Ninja Gaiden 2 to "the next rockstar franchise". One is a tangible game we can see, and know things about, and know is coming out soon. The other is just an IDEA of something which will exist at some point in the future.

Again; "games which aren't out" - i'm not talking about the game being out. I was talking about games which at least exist; you were not. You were hyping games which dont even have titles or genres yet. THAT is wrong. THAT is all i've said. And i cant believe this was the third time i had to point it out.

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[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="leilamayhem"]

I'm a console gamer, so the fact that some 360 games are "not exclusive" because they are on the PC does NOT make me inclined to go towards a PS3.

PC gaming is, to me, REALLY different than consoles.

jdt532

Exactly. When the average consumer or casual sees a 360 game, they don't care or probably wouldn't even know if that game could be on the PC Gaming For Windows too.

Yes but there aren't allot of casual gamers with a 360 anyway, the 360 has more hardcore gamers and most casuals own a Wii. Those who own a 360 are pretty likely to own a decent PC as well.

Supposition FTL.

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It's looking like the 360 needs a price drop soon or else it will be trounced by the ps3 this year. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if the ps3 had a price drop of its own.

The wii will be sold out all year long. There will probably be no price drop.

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[QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

GT5 , Heavy Rain, L.A. Noir, Motorstorm 2 and possibly FFXIII. I would peg all of those games for 2009 release unless we hear otherwise. L.A.Noire is definitely not 2008 , we already got the news.

jdt532

You may be right about L.A. Noir but the rest of those are still possible for 2008. My main point anyway is that over 2008 and beyond there aren't allot of 360 exclusives coming out compared to other consoles.

It's weird that you know everything about the future. Microsoft has been mum about 2009 all these time and so has Sony....so what makes you think that M$ won't have quality games in 09 and beyond...wait you don't.

Why wouldn't MS want people to know about all the sweet games they have coming out?... Do they actually want people to lose interest in their system?...

As for the PS3 we do know what's coming out in 2008 and beyond...

MGS4

KZ2

LBP

Haze

GT5

Heavy Rain

L.A. Noir

Rockstar Games next franchise

FFXIII

FFXIII Versus

Uncharted: Drakes Fortune 2

Resistance 2

Motorstorm 2

Heavenly Sword 2

God Of War 3

and I'm probably missing others...

Probably because they want thier fanbase to have more concrete dates as to what is coming out instead of "vapor dates" and titles that MAY come out two years in the future.

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#76 jdt532
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[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

Now your true colors are showing... You've probably never even played Uncharted if you think it wasn't a good game... and the next RS franchise IS big... Don't be one of those people who put down games just because they aren't on their console of choice...

Ninja-Vox

Great logic there. If only you weren't talking to the guy who posted pictures of Uncharted on his new HDTV the day it came out and talked about how awesome it was. :roll:

You completely missed the point. At no point did i say any of the games were bad; obviously you're reading another post. My point was that you cannot simply name games in development and say "look, awesomeness is coming!" Uncharted just released late last year. As if Uncharted 2 is anywhere near release. And "next rockstar franchise" isn't a game i can look forward to because it isn't even a game yet. It's a plan on a piece of paper.

So like i said; hype upcoming games. Dont just list every title in development like every one is pure gold on the horizon.

I'm just using the same logic most people use in these debates.... By YOUR logic you can't point to any game that's not finished and played at least once as a game to look forword to... When did I say any of the games on that list are "gold"?...

The whole point to my lists is to point out games that most gamers will at least look at as POTENTIAL good games just like when 360 owners point to NG2, Too Human, Fable 2, Gears 2, etc., games that aren't out and nobody knows if they will be good or not.

As for Uncharted 2 I wouldn't say we know NOTHING about it... I believe ND is on record saying most of the charcters will be back and we pretty much know it will be an action platformer...

So you're honestly going to say you didn't massively misinterpret my post and were completely incorrect to claim i was a fanboy who had never played Uncharted? If that's the case, shall we all just leave this thread? As if you cant accept fault in the face of beind undeniably wrong, that doesn't leave much room for discussion, does it?

By MY logic, we cant point to any game which isn't finished? Where did i say that? What posts are you reading? I said it twice, and somebody else even intervened and clarified it for you; alls i said was, you cant just list every game in development as upcoming greatness. I cannot believe you're comparing Ninja Gaiden 2 to "the next rockstar franchise". One is a tangible game we can see, and know things about, and know is coming out soon. The other is just an IDEA of something which will exist at some point in the future.

Again; "games which aren't out" - i'm not talking about the game being out. I was talking about games which at least exist; you were not. You were hyping games which dont even have titles or genres yet. THAT is wrong. THAT is all i've said. And i cant believe this was the third time i had to point it out.

OK, I was wrong in insinuating that you are a fanboy... We cool on that issue now?...

Now can you admit that you were wrong for thinking that I thought that any game on my list would be a guaranteed hit? What guarantee is there that NG2 will be a hit? Have you played it yet? Can you guarantee this? I doubt it.. With that said there is little difference in me putting Uncharted 2 on a list of potentially good PS3 games and someone doing the same with NG2 on the 360...

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#77 Ninja-Vox
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OK, I was wrong in insinuating that you are a fanboy... We cool on that issue now?...

Now can you admit that you were wrong for thinking that I thought that any game on my list would be a guaranteed hit? What guarantee is there that NG2 will be a hit? Have you played it yet? Can you guarantee this? I doubt it.. With that said there is little difference in me putting Uncharted 2 on a list of potentially good PS3 games and someone doing the same with NG2 on the 360...

jdt532

I was not wrong at all. To list a series of games saying "hey look what's coming out for the PS3!" is to hype them. You wouldn't list the game if you thought it would be rubbish. And honestly, if you're going to say "hey i'm not saying they'll be good!" then your original point itself is blown wide apart as anybody could just go list all the 360 games in development because hey, according to you, we're not listing games we think will be good. Just... games.

And yes there is a massive difference between hyping Uncharted 2 and Ninja Gaiden 2. One is a game with screens and videos and previews which is releasing soon. The other is simply a plan to make a sequel some time soon. It's not the same at all. That's like saying comparing a house which is having the last few licks of paint applied to a drawing of a building on a napkin which might become something more solid one day is the same thing. It isn't. At all.

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#78 H3llstrike
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[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="jetpropilot"]

failed to capitalize when they had an edge

a shame

jetpropilot

Pretty much the truth. If they hadn't screwed up on the hardware design so much they probably could've walked away with this gen. And really this was probably their only chance to knock out Sony.... I doubt they'll ever let themselves get in the position they were at the PS3 launch again.

improved reliability

dropped cost of system

dropped cost of live

so many things they could've done to shut the door on sony

I agree 100% with everything you guys have said.
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#79 Snowboarder99
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Okay, let me show you an example of what you are doing so you can see it from our point of view.

"The Xbox 360s upcoming games own. Get hyped for Ninja Gaiden 2 yada yada yada and don't forget about Forza 3 because we all know that is going to come so lets throw that on the list"

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#80 Ninja-Vox
Member since 2006 • 16314 Posts

He's pretty much doing this:

Wowsers look at all the 360 games coming!

Ninja Gaiden 2

Gears of War 2

Banjo 3

Halo Wars

Splinter Cell Conviction

*starts to run out of games about here*

Halo 4

Dead or Alive 5

Two new racing franchises announced

GTA IV DLC

New Epic Franchise

In reality, as a PS3 owner, i'm looking forward to MGS4, Resistance 2 and GT5 if it makes it next year. THAT should have been the list. Awesome games coming out soon. The rest is just speculation, vaporware, or in some instances, games which dont even exist yet.

So like i said, stop trying to flesh out huge long lists, cut the nonsense, and just list the good games coming soon.

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#81 jdt532
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[QUOTE="jdt532"]

OK, I was wrong in insinuating that you are a fanboy... We cool on that issue now?...

Now can you admit that you were wrong for thinking that I thought that any game on my list would be a guaranteed hit? What guarantee is there that NG2 will be a hit? Have you played it yet? Can you guarantee this? I doubt it.. With that said there is little difference in me putting Uncharted 2 on a list of potentially good PS3 games and someone doing the same with NG2 on the 360...

Ninja-Vox

I was not wrong at all. To list a series of games saying "hey look what's coming out for the PS3!" is to hype them. You wouldn't list the game if you thought it would be rubbish. And honestly, if you're going to say "hey i'm not saying they'll be good!" then your original point itself is blown wide apart as anybody could just go list all the 360 games in development because hey, according to you, we're not listing games we think will be good. Just... games.

And yes there is a massive difference between hyping Uncharted 2 and Ninja Gaiden 2. One is a game with screens and videos and previews which is releasing soon. The other is simply a plan to make a sequel some time soon. It's not the same at all. That's like saying comparing a house which is having the last few licks of paint applied to a drawing of a building on a napkin which might become something more solid one day is the same thing. It isn't. At all.

I guess you're not big enough to admit you are wrong then... Talk about not getting what someone is trying to say despite me explaining it over and over again... Let me try this one last time... My list is only a list of future PS3 games that have POTENTIAL to be good... You with me so far? I NEVER said any of these games are guaranteed hits... This is no different when an Xbox 360 owner point to games like NG2, Too Human, Fable 2, Gears 2 etc. as POTENTIAL good games. Also looking at pictures and videos and reading previews is waaay different than actually playing a completed game... There is absolutely NO guarantee that NG2 will be a hit... And no I'm not just putting any game on a list and saying these games are games to keep your eye on... There are reasons why I chose those particular games, they are either sequels to hit games or they are being developed by a company who has a track record of making hit games...

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#82 SaintTheKing
Member since 2007 • 918 Posts

They say here that the 360 costs alot more in the long run.

Microsoft has consistently worked to set up false price competition to suggest that its products are cheaper when in reality they typically cost far more than rivals when configured as they would actually be used. Throughout 2007, Xbox fans couldn't stop talking about how much cheaper the 360 was compared to the new PS3, but after matching its basic features, the 360 was actually more expensive.

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#83 Snowboarder99
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In reality, as a PS3 owner, i'm looking forward to MGS4, Resistance 2 and GT5 if it makes it next year. THAT should have been the list. Awesome games coming out soon. The rest is just speculation, vaporware, or in some instances, games which dont even exist yet.

So like i said, stop trying to flesh out huge long lists, cut the nonsense, and just list the good games coming soon.

Ninja-Vox

Yeah those are some good games coming, I wished I owned a PS3 but I want my own car more so...darn. I could probably convince my parents to get it as a cheap Blu-ray player. Yes that is right everyone, I am 16 and I live with my parents lol

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#84 KAS3Y_JAM3Z
Member since 2006 • 1699 Posts

I love when people feel compelled to write things like these to make them feel better.

The 360 is still selling well, it has the highest attach rate of any console. And the 360 has a lot of good games coming out this year.

Just because the PS3 is finally starting to reach a decent level doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly failing. Although that logic does seem infallible :roll:

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#85 subrosian
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They're trying to make a little cash, when they should be increasing marketshare and delivering the killing blow. Not enough MS love for their console.

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#86 Verge_6
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It's not a true day in System Wars if you don't see at least one 'teh xflop 1.5/POS3/Lamecube 2 is doomed!!1' thread.
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#87 sirk1264
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There are a few games i am watching for the 360 but it does seem like sony has alot of games that cater to my tastes more ala killzone 2, resistance 2, Haze, etc. The games i'm watching for the 360 are Ninja Gaiden 2(probably going to be my action game of the year), Fable 2, Too Human(I know the previous trailers didn't look all that great but i still have high hopes for Silicon Knights)
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#88 Sonic_on_crack
Member since 2007 • 2428 Posts

in the real world exclusives mean a not a damn thing you think millions of gamers stopped buying Mass effect because there was probably 97% it was going to PC .

The 360 still has a stellar future lineup and the library makes the wii's and ps3's combined look bad

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#89 SeanBond
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in the real world exclusives mean a not a damn thing you think millions of gamers stopped buying Mass effect because there was probably 97% it was going to PC .

The 360 still has a stellar future lineup and the library makes the wii's and ps3's combined look bad

Sonic_on_crack

So true. By the time games like Gears of War make their way to the PC, they're already old news, and the gaming world has moved on to the next big thing. What are PS3 fanboys who want to play Mass Effect doing right now? Playing it on their PS3? Nope. How 'bout that gaming-quality PC they all seem to have? See previous. So even if MS only deals in timed exclusives after this, I think they'll be just fine. Hell, I even buy most multiplats (PS3/360) on the 360, and I'm clearly not the only one. Come back and talk about this "decline" when 3rd party developers stop giving the 360 so much love.

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#90 Marka1700
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Exclusive or not. Games still sell well on the 360.
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#91 club-sandwich
Member since 2007 • 8399 Posts

- resident evil 5=TPS

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): that really made me a sad sad panda

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#92 littlestreakier
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i think the 360 isn't going to decline. There are still a bunch of developers for the 360, capcom has been having good results on the 360 as well. Worldwide the PS3 and Wii are doing better than the 360, but honestly the 360 has got a huge foot in the door especially in north america. So developers would be crazy not to multiplatform games to maximize profits. Plus attachment rates for games have been higher on 360 if i remember correctly so it shows 360 gamers actually BUY games.
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#93 Firelore29
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It's all about the reliability. If they could have made a system that didn't break every month they would have sold a TON more systems. As it stands they are to late and the numbers are just going to get more and more bleak from here on out.
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#94 RKfromDownunder
Member since 2007 • 1463 Posts

Wall of text!

Wtb grammar teachers.

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#95 TMontana1004
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Wow people still think the 360 has no games in 08. Sad.

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#96 TMontana1004
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[QUOTE="jdt532"]

Why wouldn't MS want people to know about all the sweet games they have coming out?... Do they actually want people to lose interest in their system?...

As for the PS3 we do know what's coming out in 2008 and beyond...

MGS4

KZ2

LBP

Haze

GT5

Heavy Rain

L.A. Noir

Rockstar Games next franchise

FFXIII

FFXIII Versus

Uncharted: Drakes Fortune 2

Resistance 2

Motorstorm 2

Heavenly Sword 2

God Of War 3

and I'm probably missing others...

Ninja-Vox

You expect us to get hyped for "uncharted 2" and "next rockstar franchise". :| Naming every game in development as upcoming awesomeness isn't the best logic to adopt.

lol at heavy rain and heavenly flop 2 :P

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#97 mismajor99
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You have to look at system sellers. I really don't see any games that would warrant millions of people to buy a 360 this year. Even Gears 2 already has a big fanbase on the 360, but I doubt it would warrant a mass spike in 360 sales, just huge software sales. On the other hand, Sony has MGS and GT which will sell tons of systems, especially here in the US.

I still think GTA is going to sell more PS3's than 360's, by far. It will surely sell more on 360 in the States, but it won't move more systems. All the existing PS2 fans that haven't bought a new console in years, which there are plenty of them, will be buying a PS3 for GTA, not a 360.

I don't think FFXIII will be released this year, if it does I would be very surprised. It would be the perfect game along with Resistance 2 for a Holiday 08 lineup though, and I'm sure Sony is trying to figure out how to get it done.

If Sony is outselling MS now, and continues this trend, the rest of the year is going to get a whole lot more interesting. The big test is to see if Sony can replicate the success over MS for the next few months. There are plenty of 360's on shelves in my area, and I'm in a major metropolitan area.

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#98 nippon_gamer
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Wait. VG Charts? That part you failed. Also, what are we talking about here, sales? If you are I could care less. If you are talking about games, I beg to differ. There are a lot of 360 games I will be getting 2008 and I am actually more excited about the 2008 lineup than 2007. In your opinion, games on PS3 will be better, but many will disagree--it's called different tastes.dkhw

no actually its called better taste. MGS 4 > Halo wars, alan wake, or what ever game ur expecting.

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#99 nippon_gamer
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

Why wouldn't MS want people to know about all the sweet games they have coming out?... Do they actually want people to lose interest in their system?...

As for the PS3 we do know what's coming out in 2008 and beyond...

MGS4

KZ2

LBP

Haze

GT5

Heavy Rain

L.A. Noir

Rockstar Games next franchise

FFXIII

FFXIII Versus

Uncharted: Drakes Fortune 2

Resistance 2

Motorstorm 2

Heavenly Sword 2

God Of War 3

and I'm probably missing others...

TMontana1004

You expect us to get hyped for "uncharted 2" and "next rockstar franchise". :| Naming every game in development as upcoming awesomeness isn't the best logic to adopt.

lol at heavy rain and heavenly flop 2 :P

lol at only being able to list 3 games out of that list to make fun of. What you expect me to get excited about alan wake?

no? Oh i see ur waiting for Halo wars. Those will be so good that they might sell more than a thousand 360`s in japan.

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#100 agni_1
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Developers will continue to be focused on the 360 just because of the simple fact that it has the greateast attach rate of any console out there. So even though Microsoft seems destined for a last place finish this generation, 360 owners will continue to get games for it.