The Definitive Counter-Argument to Bashers of Heavenly Sword (56k warning)

[QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"]

i gave it a 7.5 because of poor gameplay and the fact you dont get to see how much gold you earned like the 360 version and for the record i got suspended for something that has nothing to do with ps3.

i dont like it because:

1. poor game lineup.

2. overpriced console because of the blu-ray witch i dont want and/or need.

3. horrible online with few games that even support it.

4. the lack of a better GPU to make gameplay more smooth

5. bottlenecked bandwidth

before you say "oh you dont know anything about the ps3" blah blah your wrong. i own one.

Episode_Eve

1. Poor game lineup? Are you serious or are you just trying to get a reaction? I don't see how it's a bad lineup. To be honest I think it has the best out of the 3. I don't know about you but I don't wanna miss out on MGSIV, GT5, FFXIII, GTAIV, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, God of War III etc.

2. Only $120 more than the Elite, and while I agree the PS3 is expensive, it is certainly not overpriced for what you get.

3. You say you own a PS3? I know Resistance and a few other games have fantastic online. Why are you hating on a free online which will only get better?

4. .....wow.

5. Yeah, OK.

If you really believe all that just return the console. In my opinion your hate is unjustified though, maybe you should pick up a 360 or Wii instead.

1. thats all based on opinion and in my opinion i dont have an intrest in any of the games coming out

2. yes but i dont want what i get (blu-ray) they should get rid of it and replace it with a better gpu and drop the price $100 IMO

3. Resistance online is decent but it dosent even copare to gears of war or any other 360 online game for that matter

4. thats what i thought

5. :lol:

*edit* i have a 360 and a wii also im not a huge fan of the wii its definatly a gimmick system and 360 is great but they need to fix there damn hardware and d-pad.

I'll only respond to #4...

Resistance's online is on par to Gears' online. Resistance has waaay more options and better connection thanks to dedicated servers. You'd think that paying for Live would get you good connections, but nope :(. Gears is one of my favorite online games, but it's determined by the lag and not skills alot of the time.

Thank you for giving me a decent response, anyways thats one example, yet but theres so many other games that play on line better then gears of war and personally i would take gears over resistance online anyday ;D

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"]

i gave it a 7.5 because of poor gameplay and the fact you dont get to see how much gold you earned like the 360 version and for the record i got suspended for something that has nothing to do with ps3.

i dont like it because:

1. poor game lineup.

2. overpriced console because of the blu-ray witch i dont want and/or need.

3. horrible online with few games that even support it.

4. the lack of a better GPU to make gameplay more smooth

5. bottlenecked bandwidth

before you say "oh you dont know anything about the ps3" blah blah your wrong. i own one.

STABW0UND

1. Poor game lineup? Are you serious or are you just trying to get a reaction? I don't see how it's a bad lineup. To be honest I think it has the best out of the 3. I don't know about you but I don't wanna miss out on MGSIV, GT5, FFXIII, GTAIV, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, God of War III etc.

2. Only $120 more than the Elite, and while I agree the PS3 is expensive, it is certainly not overpriced for what you get.

3. You say you own a PS3? I know Resistance and a few other games have fantastic online. Why are you hating on a free online which will only get better?

4. .....wow.

5. Yeah, OK.

If you really believe all that just return the console. In my opinion your hate is unjustified though, maybe you should pick up a 360 or Wii instead.

1. thats all based on opinion and in my opinion i dont have an intrest in any of the games coming out

2. yes but i dont want what i get (blu-ray) they should get rid of it and replace it with a better gpu and drop the price $100 IMO

3. Resistance online is decent but it dosent even copare to gears of war or any other 360 online game for that matter

4. thats what i thought

5. :lol:

*edit* i have a 360 and a wii also im not a huge fan of the wii its definatly a gimmick system and 360 is great but they need to fix there damn hardware and d-pad.

I'll only respond to #4...

Resistance's online is on par to Gears' online. Resistance has waaay more options and better connection thanks to dedicated servers. You'd think that paying for Live would get you good connections, but nope :(. Gears is one of my favorite online games, but it's determined by the lag and not skills alot of the time.

Thank you for giving me a decent response, anyways thats one example, yet but theres so many other games that play on line better then gears of war and personally i would take gears over resistance online anyday ;D

Yeah, I'd prolly take Gears over Resistance if I absolutely had to. Still that's a hard choice! Hopefully, MS will create some dedicated servers for Halo 3. There should be no questions about it honestly.

Good point.

The same thing can be said about Bungie with Oni and Halo.

jsnepo

yeah

they made Halo

and then boom !!!  they are now hot developers

What was that one GIF I saw that showed her running along the chain with touch sensative actions for FMV sequences. I know it has been done before, but it reeked of GOW.Vandalvideo

Its similar, but thus far I haven't done anything like that in God of War, in GoW it tends to be FMVs for killing enemies, not moving around the environment (although there are some of doing that kind of thing for enemies, they are different as well) and the scale of the battles is incredibly larger than anything in either GoW title. 

Fuzzy. :3

 Great post, far too much logic and forethought for System Wars though. n__n

The God of War reference doesn't quite fit since David Jaffe, the creator of God of War, was responsible for Twisted Metal, a series many consider a classic. As far as I know, Ninja Theory hasn't made any classics before. Still, you've got a good point.TyrantDragon55

True, but the argument goes for Jaffe as well.

Prior to Twisted Metal, he'd only made one game, and it was called Mickey Mania: The Adventures of Mickey Mouse.

What if people had decided beforehand that Twisted Metal would be doomed to mediocrity because of Mickey Mania?

Truth is, everybody's got to start somewhere. And it's rarely the case that a developer comes out of the gate with a masterpiece. Kung Fu Chaos was Ninja Theory's (rather, Just Add Monsters' ) first game.

[QUOTE="STABW0UND"]

i gave it a 7.5 because of poor gameplay and the fact you dont get to see how much gold you earned like the 360 version and for the record i got suspended for something that has nothing to do with ps3.

i dont like it because:

1. poor game lineup.

2. overpriced console because of the blu-ray witch i dont want and/or need.

3. horrible online with few games that even support it.

4. the lack of a better GPU to make gameplay more smooth

5. bottlenecked bandwidth

before you say "oh you dont know anything about the ps3" blah blah your wrong. i own one.

the-very-best

1. Poor game lineup? Are you serious or are you just trying to get a reaction? I don't see how it's a bad lineup. To be honest I think it has the best out of the 3. I don't know about you but I don't wanna miss out on MGSIV, GT5, FFXIII, GTAIV, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, God of War III etc.

2. Only $120 more than the Elite, and while I agree the PS3 is expensive, it is certainly not overpriced for what you get.

3. You say you own a PS3? I know Resistance and a few other games have fantastic online. Why are you hating on a free online which will only get better?

4. .....wow.

5. Yeah, OK.

If you really believe all that just return the console. In my opinion your hate is unjustified though, maybe you should pick up a 360 or Wii instead.

All right TVB is on the offensive. I like that. Fuzzysquash great post btw. Addressing the haters is always fun. 

I'm not impressed by HS because everytime I see it, it seems to be using context actions (Big X flashes on screen to do a move) instead of the player actually doing something. It takes all of the skill out of the game and you wind up focusing more on being in the right position to press a button so that the move can be done automatically rather than just doing the move yourself from any angle. I HATE that style of gameplay...

Oh well, I wasn't a big fan of God of War either..I prefer an action game like Ninja Gaiden or even DMC where the player is completely in control of his actions.

You're really smart. That's a very good point you made.

Having said that, let the haters hate all they want. The game has been development for many years, it's looking to be a great title (at least AA on GS) so the shock value will be great for those expecting this game to suck.

the-very-best

I second that. All very good, logical points. The more I hear and see this game, the more blatantly obvious it becomes that it will be a hit. Sometimes, it is just obvious that a game is going to be great.....as was the case with God of War a few years ago. All the pieces were just there that made it obvious to any open, rationally thinking individual that it was going to be a winner. Heavenly Sword has all the pieces lined up in place to be a hit as well.

All i see are shiney graphics..... what about gameplay?tramp

I linked to gameplay.

Did you read my post? :? 

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

You're really smart. That's a very good point you made.

Having said that, let the haters hate all they want. The game has been development for many years, it's looking to be a great title (at least AA on GS) so the shock value will be great for those expecting this game to suck.

ironcreed

I second that. All very good, logical points. The more I hear and see this game, the more blatantly obvious it becomes that it will be a hit. Sometimes, it is just obvious that a game is going to be great.....as was the case with God of War a few years ago. All the pieces were just there that made it obvious to any open, rationally thinking individual that it was going to be a winner. Heavenly Sword has all the pieces lined up in place to be a hit as well.

appreciate that, guys.

And yeah, I agree with the GoW statement...from the outset, its potential was quite evident.

Two words: Sex sells.

Why would they bother to make a game? They have the sexy female character, she's on the cover, so the game will sell. It doesn't matter what kind of dog **** they put in the case.

Two words: Sex sells.

Why would they bother to make a game? They have the sexy female character, she's on the cover, so the game will sell. It doesn't matter what kind of dog **** they put in the case.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Right, cause I'm sure God of War would've sold 2.5 milliion even if the gameplay, graphics, and art style sucked...just because there was a sex minigame, right? :roll: 

Right, cause I'm sure God of War would've sold 2.5 milliion even if the gameplay, graphics, and art style sucked...just because there was a sex minigame, right? :roll: 

fuzzysquash

Probably no, but that's completely different.

If gameplay and art style sucked, but Kratos was female, and went around killing things and having sex, it would definitely still sell.

8.1m3Boarder32

You are a fanboy, why a rate a game that isnt out and that you will never play?

Two words: Sex sells.

Why would they bother to make a game? They have the sexy female character, she's on the cover, so the game will sell. It doesn't matter what kind of dog **** they put in the case.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Tell that to the last 3 Tomb Raider games... 

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

Right, cause I'm sure God of War would've sold 2.5 milliion even if the gameplay, graphics, and art style sucked...just because there was a sex minigame, right? :roll:

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Probably no, but that's completely different.

If gameplay and art style sucked, but Kratos was female, and went around killing things and having sex, it would definitely still sell.

It might sell a few copies to perv's, but would it sell 2.5 million and be critically acclaimed?

No. 

Great thread :). I also wanna add that this will end up being the fate of GG and Killzone. With the power of PS3 plus Sony's money and new talent...it's gonna be AAA.Episode_Eve

Please, for the love of god and all things holy.  DO NOT bring up the two companies finnicial abilities, sony is many classes lower then microsoft in actual profits(whole company wise) 

Tell that to the last 3 Tomb Raider games... 

shungokustasu

Well, the sexiness gimmick can't sell a series. The character becomes boring, and people move on to whoever else is putting half-naked chicks on the covers of their games.

I always thought Lara was rather ugly, myself. Until they redid her look.

It might sell a few copies to perv's, but would it sell 2.5 million and be critically acclaimed?

No. 

fuzzysquash

No, but that requires effort. Why put effort into the game when you can make a quick buck off of your sexpot character?

What was the movie game that ripped off of GoW recently? I see HS as that game, but with prettier graphics and a female main character.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

Tell that to the last 3 Tomb Raider games...

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Well, the sexiness gimmick can't sell a series. The character becomes boring, and people move on to whoever else is putting half-naked chicks on the covers of their games.

I always thought Lara was rather ugly, myself. Until they redid her look.

okay, what about Kameo, Parasite Eve, PDZ, Fatal Frame, or Bloodrayne? None of this game sells lon the calibur of GOW or Halo. 

okay, what about Kameo, Parasite Eve, PDZ, Fatal Frame, or Bloodrayne? None of this game sells lon the calibur of GOW or Halo. 

shungokustasu

Of course not, and that isn't their goal. You don't have to have GoW or Halo sales to make money.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

It might sell a few copies to perv's, but would it sell 2.5 million and be critically acclaimed?

No.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

No, but that requires effort. Why put effort into the game when you can make a quick buck off of your sexpot character?

What was the movie game that ripped off of GoW recently? I see HS as that game, but with prettier graphics and a female main character.

Ghost Rider.

This game destroys Ghost Rider and will give God of War a run for its money. 

Ghost Rider.

This game destroys Ghost Rider and will give God of War a run for its money. 

Redfingers

Could be, but I don't see that happening.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

It might sell a few copies to perv's, but would it sell 2.5 million and be critically acclaimed?

No.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

No, but that requires effort. Why put effort into the game when you can make a quick buck off of your sexpot character?

Maybe because a developer cares about his project, and wants to make something great?

Do you think Itagaki or Sony Santa Monica put all their effort into their games to make a quick buck? 

What a pessimistic point of view. 

I'm obligated to admit ownage for hyping this title.

Guess the developers' work didn't live up to my hopes.

*bows head*

I'm obligated to admit ownage for hyping this title.

Guess the developers' work didn't live up to my hopes.

*bows head*

fuzzysquash

8/10 is an improvement from 6.5/10 and your argument was that the devs can't be bashed because of their past efforts. It's clear that they've improved judging by HS.

Sure, it isn't the GOW we all hoped for, but GS seems to think it's a "great" game. Maybe the next one will be "superb".

I'm obligated to admit ownage for hyping this title.

Guess the developers' work didn't live up to my hopes.

*bows head*

fuzzysquash

How are you owned? If anything, you proved your point in a logical and "level-headed" manner.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

It might sell a few copies to perv's, but would it sell 2.5 million and be critically acclaimed?

No.

Redfingers

No, but that requires effort. Why put effort into the game when you can make a quick buck off of your sexpot character?

What was the movie game that ripped off of GoW recently? I see HS as that game, but with prettier graphics and a female main character.

Ghost Rider.

This game destroys Ghost Rider and will give God of War a run for its money.

I hope so, I disliked God of War. What was the story line in this? The story in GoW butchered that game for me.

I'm obligated to admit ownage for hyping this title.

Guess the developers' work didn't live up to my hopes.

*bows head*

fuzzysquash

I wouldn't say you were owned. You didn't guarantee a AAA score, just said that this game would likely be good - and scoring 8.0 at GS means it is so.

BTW, kudos to mehboarder for predicting 8.1. That was spot on.

8/10 is an improvement from 6.5/10 and your argument was that the devs can't be bashed because of their past efforts. It's clear that they've improved judging by HS.

Sure, it isn't the GOW we all hoped for, but GS seems to think it's a "great" game. Maybe the next one will be "superb".

the-very-best

Yeah, I hope so too. I'm going to write a constructive criticism post at the Ninja Theory boards after I finish the game. The dev's are all very nice and they listen and respond to our posts, so hopefully they'll receive it well.

The two things that hurt them, I think, are game length and enemy variety. If they had as many types of enemies as God of War, I think the game would have turned out much better.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

I'm obligated to admit ownage for hyping this title.

Guess the developers' work didn't live up to my hopes.

*bows head*

TkLive

How are you owned? If anything, you proved your point in a logical and "level-headed" manner.

Well, thanks the comment, but I've hyped this game AAA ever since I saw the gameplay at E3 2006, and I've been excited for it ever since E3 2005. I really did think the team was going to deliver a God of War-caliber title, so I have to acknowledge that I was wrong.

I'm obligated to admit ownage for hyping this title.

Guess the developers' work didn't live up to my hopes.

*bows head*

fuzzysquash

hey, don't beat yourself up about it. it's a great game, the only issue is that it's short.

Yeah, I hope so too. I'm going to write a constructive criticism post at the Ninja Theory boards after I finish the game. The dev's are all very nice and they listen and respond to our posts, so hopefully they'll receive it well.

The two things that hurt them, I think, are game length and enemy variety. If they had as many types of enemies as God of War, I think the game would have turned out much better.

fuzzysquash

Are they sticking with Sony btw? Have they announced what they're doing next? I expect HS to sell extremely well, so it'd be good to see them make a sequel.

I think it's a good effort. I was hyping AAA too and am disappointed with the AA, but it looks like it will be a fun title to play (when you can get it for a cheaper price).

Are they sticking with Sony btw? Have they announced what they're doing next? I expect HS to sell extremely well, so it'd be good to see them make a sequel.

I think it's a good effort. I was hyping AAA too and am disappointed with the AA, but it looks like it will be a fun title to play (when you can get it for a cheaper price).

the-very-best

Yeah, I'm thinking of renting it when I get my PS3. Although it looks like it would make a great showpiece for the system when friends come over.

I'm not sure if they're sticking with Sony, but from what I've read, Ninja Theory and Sony have a great working relationship. So maybe Sony will buy them or maybe they'll become very close partners like Insomniac.

I agree, the game is a good effort, but I hope they will flesh out the gameplay for the (hopefully upcoming) sequel.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

Are they sticking with Sony btw? Have they announced what they're doing next? I expect HS to sell extremely well, so it'd be good to see them make a sequel.

I think it's a good effort. I was hyping AAA too and am disappointed with the AA, but it looks like it will be a fun title to play (when you can get it for a cheaper price).

fuzzysquash

Yeah, I'm thinking of renting it when I get my PS3. Although it looks like it would make a great showpiece for the system when friends come over.

I'm not sure if they're sticking with Sony, but from what I've read, Ninja Theory and Sony have a great working relationship. So maybe Sony will buy them or maybe they'll become very close partners like Insomniac.

I agree, the game is a good effort, but I hope they will flesh out the gameplay for the (hopefully upcoming) sequel.

You probably will be able to buy it as budget gamebythen.. If anything, whenever (if stand to be) get my PS3, I might buy it in at that mark or rent it.

Why should length even be an issue? Games can be replayed, it's not like the disk will self-destruct when you beat it.

for example: Half-Life 2: Episode 2 was really short, yet it's easily one of the best games ever made. It's only an episode, but the sheer quality sets it up alongside the longest, most epic titles. I don't think length should have much influence on the final score. games by their interactive and non-linear/dynamic nature make length kind of irrelevent, don't you think?

Great thread :). I also wanna add that this will end up being the fate of GG and Killzone. With the power of PS3 plus Sony's money and new talent...it's gonna be AAA.Episode_Eve

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