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#51  Edited By jg4xchamp
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@DarkLink77 said:

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The game can be half as good as Resident Evil 4 and it would be really good. I'm excited for it. Shinji going out guns blazing. Believe.

All I want is for it to be half as good as RE4, which will still make it the best game of the year it releases.

On the other hand, dude hasn't been as good lately. We shall see.

No one backs up greatness with more greatness. It's what makes their best work the best. And Shinji is due at this point. He's done his messing around with Vanquish, and he really didn't have much to do with Shadows of the Damned so I barely knock him for that. He's going to make something at worst really good. And a really good Mikami game>a shit load of videogames in 2014.

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#52 trollop_scat
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I personally like SH Homecoming much more than Downpour. The last hour or so of Homecoming was EPIC!

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#53  Edited By Puckhog04
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I can't wait for Outlast on the PS4 as well as Dying Light. The Evil Within is definitely on the top of my list as well though.

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#54 treedoor
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Given Bethesda is publishing it, I just hope it is on PC.

I don't have the money to game on consoles.

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#55 Gue1
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the game looks really archaic, generic and shit.

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#56 clone01
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@Gue1 said:

the game looks really archaic, generic and shit.

Be nice.

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#57 ShoTTyMcNaDeS
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The Evil Within looks old school scary. RE lost its way beginning with RE4. It went from Survival Horror to Survival action. RE Remake, RE2, Code Veronica and RE0 were the pinnacle of the franchise. I found 3, 4 and 5 to be lame! Complain all you want about the static cameras, but that was a huge part of what made RE scary! I think The Evil Within recaptures this and the game will turn into a series! RE is done unless Crapcom gets back to their roots!

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#58 blangenakker
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But will it have the "survival"? Only time will tell

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@Salt_The_Fries: Man you made me feel old, the memories of RotHs lightweight golf gloves made a dent into that game, still love the horror part of that game ^^ As for Bioforge's place I am unsure if it would really fit, it is the grandfarther of tech for ALOT of genres and games, it had alot of the trappings of a Survival Horror game I will admit, but I never considered it a horror game, a good point though. And a good game (although hard as heck -.-)

Can not say I ever heard nor playied firestart, so I can not comment on it sadly.

@timmy00: yeh first horror game would likely be "haunted house", predating anything on the NES, but you can not in any way dismiss that RE was more or less a carbon ripoff of Alone in the Dark in alot of its core functions.

so no sweet home is NOT the first survival horror game out there.

It is also very true that Alone in the dark served as the remplate what survival horror as we know it is, so the point of alone in the dark stands, afterall what people think of when they say "survival horror" is based off of that exact template.

As to "Survival Horror" a genre is often coined soley by the people reviwing it not the people creating it, so it is very much a moot point as to when people started dividing it into sub categories. Alone in the dark was never labeled a survival horror game when released, but in hindsight often claimed to be the forefarther of such.

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#60 Jag85
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My friend, the sad news is, consoles can't do survival horror. Only the pc is capable of this thanks to indie gaming. And even old titles like Resident Evil, they are laughable compared to System Shock 2.

Yeah that's why they call mikami the grandfather of survival horror..

Which is factually wrong. He just ripped off Alone in The Dark. A pc game for men and inventor of the genre.

I'm sick of having to be forced to educate console gamers, do your dam research.

Nonsense. Capcom's Sweet Home, a survival horror for the NES console, came out years before Alone in the Dark. And it was Sweet Home that Mikami originally intended to remake as Resident Evil, although I have no doubt he borrowed some ideas from Alone in the Dark along the way, some good and some bad...*cough* tank controls *cough*

Not a 3d survival horror title. And 2d games on older systems outdate the nes. Nice try though sonny.

Sweet Home is a survival horror, therefore your claim of Alone in the Dark being the "inventor" of the genre is pure nonsense. It improved the genre, but is far from its "inventor". Nice attempt at trolling though.

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#61 uninspiredcup
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@Jag85 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@Jag85 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

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@uninspiredcup said:

My friend, the sad news is, consoles can't do survival horror. Only the pc is capable of this thanks to indie gaming. And even old titles like Resident Evil, they are laughable compared to System Shock 2.

Yeah that's why they call mikami the grandfather of survival horror..

Which is factually wrong. He just ripped off Alone in The Dark. A pc game for men and inventor of the genre.

I'm sick of having to be forced to educate console gamers, do your dam research.

Nonsense. Capcom's Sweet Home, a survival horror for the NES console, came out years before Alone in the Dark. And it was Sweet Home that Mikami originally intended to remake as Resident Evil, although I have no doubt he borrowed some ideas from Alone in the Dark along the way, some good and some bad...*cough* tank controls *cough*

Not a 3d survival horror title. And 2d games on older systems outdate the nes. Nice try though sonny.

Sweet Home is a survival horror, therefore your claim of Alone in the Dark being the "inventor" of the genre is pure nonsense. It improved the genre, but is far from its "inventor". Nice attempt at trolling though.

Not 3d and thus moot. Keep trying.

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#62 Jag85
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@Salt_The_Fries said:

Actually Sweet Home is a game that only people that PRETEND to be KNOWLEDGEABLE bring up. There was a real masterpiece of a visionary groundbreaking survival horror released earlier the same year, on Commodore 64. It was published by Electronic Arts and its name was Project Firestart, which was heavily inspired by Alien / Aliens. It was so complex, visionary and full of groundbreaking cutscenes that it came on 4 disks / cassettes! The survival aspect of the game was amazing - there were multiple ways to kill the enemies, not necessarily using firearms, because when you breached the hull in certain parts, that was game over for you. The game was also non-linear with different endings and encounters in-between, and its narrative was unveiled through text logs just like in modern games like BioShock or Dead Space.

Project Firestart didn't "originate" the genre either. While it was a step forward for the genre, some of the elements you described for Project Firestart were also present in Sweet Home the same year (like the text/diary logs), and War of the Dead before that (emphasizing survival). There is no single "originator" of the genre, but it's a genre that gradually developed over the years, until Resident Evil eventually coined a name for it.

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#63  Edited By Jag85
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@uninspiredcup said:

@Jag85 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@Jag85 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@uninspiredcup said:

My friend, the sad news is, consoles can't do survival horror. Only the pc is capable of this thanks to indie gaming. And even old titles like Resident Evil, they are laughable compared to System Shock 2.

Yeah that's why they call mikami the grandfather of survival horror..

Which is factually wrong. He just ripped off Alone in The Dark. A pc game for men and inventor of the genre.

I'm sick of having to be forced to educate console gamers, do your dam research.

Nonsense. Capcom's Sweet Home, a survival horror for the NES console, came out years before Alone in the Dark. And it was Sweet Home that Mikami originally intended to remake as Resident Evil, although I have no doubt he borrowed some ideas from Alone in the Dark along the way, some good and some bad...*cough* tank controls *cough*

Not a 3d survival horror title. And 2d games on older systems outdate the nes. Nice try though sonny.

Sweet Home is a survival horror, therefore your claim of Alone in the Dark being the "inventor" of the genre is pure nonsense. It improved the genre, but is far from its "inventor". Nice attempt at trolling though.

Not 3d and thus moot. Keep trying.

Alone in the Dark is not the "originator". End of. But sure, keep trolling, mate.

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Project Firestart came out earlier than Sweet Home. Sweet Home didn't invent shit. Project Firestart was already set within action-adventure frame. And the amount of innovative stuff there is mind blowing. WHAT is my point, is Project Firestart wasn't just a bunch of survival elements together put in a game, IT WAS CENTERED AROUND THIS CONCEPT and put within appropriate gameplay frame. And Alone in the Dark surely put survival horror within particular 3d fixed camera angles frame that was so popular and widely copied. It was a blueprint of future games of this kind, not Sweet Home. Even if you could pinpoint certain common elements harking back to Sweet Home IN THEORY, it'd be still Alone In The Dark which would be immediate and direct source of inspiration IN PRACTICE. Look, I know how it works - I interviewed a couple of musicians who were unanimously thought to be inspired by this and that band, but sometimes it turned out they didn't even know that band at the time. Anyway, it'd be a lot more convenient to admit Sweet Home inspiration, an obscure Japanese game which wouldn't otherwise be known than an era defining smash hit that was a very obvious connection.

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#65  Edited By Jag85
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@Salt_The_Fries said:

Project Firestart came out earlier than Sweet Home. Sweet Home didn't invent shit. Project Firestart was already set within action-adventure frame. And the amount of innovative stuff there is mind blowing. WHAT is my point, is Project Firestart wasn't just a bunch of survival elements together put in a game, IT WAS CENTERED AROUND THIS CONCEPT and put within appropriate gameplay frame. And Alone in the Dark surely put survival horror within particular 3d fixed camera angles frame that was so popular and widely copied. It was a blueprint of future games of this kind, not Sweet Home. Even if you could pinpoint certain common elements harking back to Sweet Home IN THEORY, it'd be still Alone In The Dark which would be immediate and direct source of inspiration IN PRACTICE. Look, I know how it works - I interviewed a couple of musicians who were unanimously thought to be inspired by this and that band, but sometimes it turned out they didn't even know that band at the time. Anyway, it'd be a lot more convenient to admit Sweet Home inspiration, an obscure Japanese game which wouldn't otherwise be known than an era defining smash hit that was a very obvious connection.

...And War of the Dead came out before both Project Firestart and Sweet Home. War of the Dead was also an action-adventure centered around survival and horror. What you fail to understand is that there is no such thing as a single "originator" of the genre, but it's a gradual evolution.

Also, no one is claiming that Resident Evil wasn't influenced by Alone in the Dark. The point is that Resident Evil's primary inspiration was Sweet Home, since that's the Capcom IP that it was originally intended to remake/reboot. Alone in the Dark was a secondary influence, providing the 3D action-adventure format with which to update Sweet Home. And for the record, Sweet Home is only "obscure" in the West, but was pretty well known in Japan, where it had its own movie and where Resident Evil was later created by the same developer Capcom. It's nowhere near as obscure as Project Firestart or War of the Dead.