The Fate of Too Human Hangs in the Balance

Too Human, the futuristic norse fanatasy RPG from Dennis Dyack and Silicon Knights, was supposed to be the first installment in a three-part trilogy. Now, due to the mediocre performance of the first game and deteriorating market conditions, the fate of the next Too Human sequel literally hangs in the balance, not to put too fine a point on it.

Why is the trilogy in danger? First of all, development costs on the first game far exceeded the revenues that were recuperated when the title finally shipped. The game was originally slated to release as a 4-disc compilation on the Playstation One, to give a sense of how long the title was in development (10 years). During this time, the game racked up development costs that approached those of some big-budget Hollywood movies. Some estimates place the development costs for the first game at around $80 million USD. The title was clearly conceived during a time when big egos and even bigger budgets prevailed, and games could push their way to the top of the sales charts based on hype alone. But when Too Human finally shipped in 2008, it found itself competing against a strong lineup of current-gen games that diluted the impact of this long-awaited release. Too Human ended up selling approximately 560,000 copies worldwide, not even close to enough to recoup its massive development costs.

http://www.xboxist.com/xbox-360/news/the-fate-of-too-human-sequel-hangs-in-the-balance-009788.php

Not too surprised after the development troubles that Too Human went through and the lawsuits and everything else. It's very likely that MS will not continue to support the other games in the series.

didn't microsoft say they were going to support the trilogy despite low sales and poor reviews from the fist game?st1ka

Didn't microsoft also say they didn't know about the red ring of death .......and that vista was a great operating system

>.>

didn't microsoft said they were going to support the trilogy despite low sales and poor reviews from the fist game?st1ka

Yes, they did. I mean it. I saw it being mentioned on official Too Human forums a while back.

My liking for Too Human aside...

This seems to be just some speculation from a blog, he doesn't even have a source from a PR saying anything about the status of the next games. This is why I hate blogs like this, report stuff without info just to gain a couple of hits.

didn't microsoft said they were going to support the trilogy despite low sales and poor reviews from the fist game?st1ka

I must be one of the few people who really enjoyed this game a heck of alot.

Yes it had some technical problems but i had alot of fun with the game on coop with friends and my dad.
Solid 8/10 for me

I must be one of the few people who really enjoyed this game a heck of alot.

Yes it had some technical problems but i had alot of fun with the game on coop with friends and my dad.

kozzy1234

You aren't the only one, I'm playing through it again right now. My 5th time through campaign :D

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I like Too Human. I think there will be a sequel.

Anyways, I'd like to see the level and variety improve in a sequel. 4 really long corridors didn't really make me very happy as a gamer. And they all seemed too similar. Also, they have to find a better difficulty balance between levels. The difficulty ramped up a bit too much when you hit the Ice Forest.

And this is exactly what developers get for releasing incomplete and/or crappy games.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="st1ka"]didn't microsoft say they were going to support the trilogy despite low sales and poor reviews from the fist game?All_that_is_Man

Didn't microsoft also say they didn't know about the red ring of death .......and that vista was a great operating system

>.>

still more credible then a blog though

Even if Too Human dies, I hope Silicon Knights get out of the situation alright. However, if that estimated budget is real, they is rediculous. That budget could fund like 30 DS games or 10 medium sized games. How can a dev eat that kind of money?ActicEdge

I must be one of the few people who really enjoyed this game a heck of alot.

Yes it had some technical problems but i had alot of fun with the game on coop with friends and my dad.
Solid 8/10 for me

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I must be one of the few people who really enjoyed this game a heck of alot.

Yes it had some technical problems but i had alot of fun with the game on coop with friends and my dad.

spinecaton

You aren't the only one, I'm playing through it again right now. My 5th time through campaign :D

I must be one of the few people who really enjoyed this game a heck of alot.

Yes it had some technical problems but i had alot of fun with the game on coop with friends and my dad.
Solid 8/10 for me

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]Even if Too Human dies, I hope Silicon Knights get out of the situation alright. However, if that estimated budget is real, they is rediculous. That budget could fund like 30 DS games or 10 medium sized games. How can a dev eat that kind of money?TheGrat1

Shows we shouldn't take your post serious.

Even if Too Human dies, I hope Silicon Knights get out of the situation alright. However, if that estimated budget is real, they is rediculous. That budget could fund like 30 DS games or 10 medium sized games. How can a dev eat that kind of money?ActicEdge

because ds games are lame, and have no production value

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I must be one of the few people who really enjoyed this game a heck of alot.

Yes it had some technical problems but i had alot of fun with the game on coop with friends and my dad.
Solid 8/10 for me

lawlessx

You'll regret the purchase after you have

80 million is too much for a video game. or they better make sure people will buy somehting like that. I wonder the highest budget for a videogame? But heres a movie budget site. 80 million isnt a blockbuster movie per say. Spiderman 3 at 258 million.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/budgets.php

(edit) On the same page shows biggest money losers. and number four is Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within with a 94 million dollar loss. :) ohh i have Stealth on dvd. lol

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]Even if Too Human dies, I hope Silicon Knights get out of the situation alright. However, if that estimated budget is real, they is rediculous. That budget could fund like 30 DS games or 10 medium sized games. How can a dev eat that kind of money?All_that_is_Man

because ds games are lame, and have no production value

What relevance does this have to my post? I wasn't commenting on quality or asking for some arguement in which you and some other person will inevitably derail the thread, I was commenting on the quantity of games that could be made with that budget.

Well, I hate to see it to be honest. At least their is still hope for a sequel. No way in hell is Lair going to get a sequel. :cry:carljohnson3456

lair was pretty good after the patch

That's why it is not worth it to make crapToriko42

Thats a real shame about Too Human

I like Norse Mythology and I thought the art style was cool

Norse Mythos and Cyber Tech = Win

Well maybe next time

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Too Human, the futuristic norse fanatasy RPG from Dennis Dyack and Silicon Knights, was supposed to be the first installment in a three-part trilogy. Now, due to the mediocre performance of the first game and deteriorating market conditions, the fate of the next Too Human sequel literally hangs in the balance, not to put too fine a point on it.

Why is the trilogy in danger? First of all, development costs on the first game far exceeded the revenues that were recuperated when the title finally shipped. The game was originally slated to release as a 4-disc compilation on the Playstation One, to give a sense of how long the title was in development (10 years). During this time, the game racked up development costs that approached those of some big-budget Hollywood movies. Some estimates place the development costs for the first game at around $80 million USD. The title was clearly conceived during a time when big egos and even bigger budgets prevailed, and games could push their way to the top of the sales charts based on hype alone. But when Too Human finally shipped in 2008, it found itself competing against a strong lineup of current-gen games that diluted the impact of this long-awaited release. Too Human ended up selling approximately 560,000 copies worldwide, not even close to enough to recoup its massive development costs.Zhengi

http://www.xboxist.com/xbox-360/news/the-fate-of-too-human-sequel-hangs-in-the-balance-009788.php

Not too surprised after the development troubles that Too Human went through and the lawsuits and everything else. It's very likely that MS will not continue to support the other games in the series.

kinda off topic but dont ppl usually say that if MS had a some company using as much as money as Killzone 2 ($50 million) that they game will look good as KZ 2 and now u tell me Too Human was 80 mill. :o man WOW i cant believe they spen that much money

Well, I hate to sound harsh, but...good.

Seriously, many devs are in trouble and its these kind of games and these kind fo crap decisions that SHUOLD be killing off franchises and companies. Let the strong survive, and the weak and stupid die.

I guess I was one of the few people who loved Too Human, and I believe Microsoft said that they were going to support it but whatever.

I hope they make a new one.

Damn. I mean, 560,000 is a pretty respectable sales number from a first-time IP, but damn, it's gonna take another 500,000 or so to at least meet the developing costs.

Well, I hate to sound harsh, but...good.

Seriously, many devs are in trouble and its these kind of games and these kind fo crap decisions that SHUOLD be killing off franchises and companies. Let the strong survive, and the weak and stupid die.

goblaa

...huh? This is Silicon Knights. I mean, what if Blizzard took one massive misstep and ****ed up their situation. Should we be saying "Yeah, go die. You made a big mistake". I wanna see SK get through this, because Too Human was one huge ego issue. Hopefully they'll get back on track with their heads screwed on tight and more Eternal Darkness quality titles.

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]That's why it is not worth it to make crapthepwninator

I must be one of the few people who really enjoyed this game a heck of alot.

Yes it had some technical problems but i had alot of fun with the game on coop with friends and my dad.
Solid 8/10 for me

kozzy1234

No your not the only one, i enjoyed it plenty but i still have to buy it lol. I wouldnt mind them making a sequel but with the economy as of now, who knows if microsoft wants to take the risk of losing money again.