The Flood: The worst idea ever in a game?

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#1 HotStuff_2169
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It's like Bungie intentionally threw a monkey wrench into their own games.

The Flood are the most annoying, boring and all around least fun enemies ever in an FPS.

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#2 MyopicCanadian
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Very true, I don't really understand it. I cringe every time I know I'm going to fight the Flood. It's like they didn't playtest their own games to see if they were fun or not.
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#3 JiveT
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More like best idea ever in a game amirite?

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#4 -TheSecondSign-
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The Flood are one of the coolest races ever.

They were boring in Halo 2, but I haven't gotten bored of them in 3 yet.

They were pretty bad in 2 though. Extremely repetitive in that one above all other Halo games.

But the race itself is one of the most powerful I've ever seen. Just standing on an infected planet is enough to have billions of them come charging at you and even the rings didn't kill them all, it just sealed them away.

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#6 Stabby2486
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I don't even think there's such thing as playtesters.
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#7 sardonictrojan
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Totally agreed. The flood just aren't fun to fight :-/
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#8 robotech31
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the part i hate the most is snow map. when you are trying to get up top of the tower. with all them flood races drop froming the sky. i thought that was freaking stupid.

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#9 VinnWaran16
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in halo one they were a great twist|

...they only times i hate them is when your by yourself, and there is no covenant in the level

Levels like Two Betrayals,Keyes,Maw,Floodgate are good examples of wen the flood werent anoying
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#10 solidgamer
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i like the flood level
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#11 adastos
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I think I can agree with you on this. I can't think, off the top of my head, a worse enemy.
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#12 Bgrngod
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Yeah they kinda suck, but the worst? No.
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#13 ProductNumber49
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Its only fun when you are not in their environments...
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#14 ProductNumber49
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Yeah they kinda suck, but the worst? No.Bgrngod

Lmao the video review is hilarious..Best gameplay and AI i've seen yet

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#15 Cedmln
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I think so (at least for Halo).

Everytime they appeared in Halo they ALWAYS ruined the experience. Why were they in the game at all?

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#16 TheDarkDisciple
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I thought Halo 3 got good when the flood appeared...
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#17 Meu2k7
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They are terrible versions of headcrabs.

Headcrabs rock.

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#18 PBSnipes
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They were great in Halo CE, but poorly implemented in Halo 2 and Halo 3 (although the first level with the flood was outstanding). The problem with the flood is they simply aren't interesting. The other enemies are well done in Halo, they are all unique and carry out specific roles, but the flood generally look and act the same, and are simply bullet sponges.
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#19 istreakforfood
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I think so (at least for Halo).

Everytime they appeared in Halo they ALWAYS ruined the experience. Why were they in the game at all?

Cedmln

im guessing you either havent played all 3 halos or didnt pay attention to the scenes and dialogue. the flood are a big part for the existance of the halo rings.

i like fighting the flood. my favorite parts are when its one of those free for all fights when you fight the flood along with another group of race being the humans or covenent and they are fighting each other on the screen as well.

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#20 TheTerribleFish
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In a story aspect, they where great, but I hated The Library. No fun... AT ALL. Still, it was very cool seing the covenant and flood fight eachother, while you just blast around ruining stuff for both.
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#21 PBSnipes
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They are terrible versions of headcrabs.

Headcrabs rock.

Meu2k7
Headcrabs were cool in HL2, but a waste of time in HL1.
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#22 Meu2k7
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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

They are terrible versions of headcrabs.

Headcrabs rock.

PBSnipes

Headcrabs were cool in HL2, but a waste of time in HL1.

Agreed :P , they were alot more immersive than the flood imo .... flood were just either isnects that died from random bullet spray or hulking things which you just mowed into.

Headcrab's presence was more dangerous, especially the black ones, and the mutaed fast crawlers, or the giant mutated one that hurls off black headcrabs xD

HArder to hit aswell.

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#23 Cedmln
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[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

istreakforfood

im guessing you either havent played all 3 halos or didnt pay attention to the scenes and dialogue. the flood are a big part for the existance of the halo rings.

i like fighting the flood. my favorite parts are when its one of those free for all fights when you fight the flood along with another group of race being the humans or covenent and they are fighting each other on the screen as well.

No i have. They just didn't seem to be of any good use to the story. They just felt like an annoying hyper child that nags at your leg every once in a while with no real purpose.

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#24 istreakforfood
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

They are terrible versions of headcrabs.

Headcrabs rock.

Meu2k7

Headcrabs were cool in HL2, but a waste of time in HL1.

Agreed :P , they were alot more immersive than the flood imo .... flood were just either isnects that died from random bullet spray or hulking things which you just mowed into.

Headcrab's presence was more dangerous, especially the black ones, and the mutaed fast crawlers, or the giant mutated one that hurls off black headcrabs xD

HArder to hit aswell.

i found the headcrabs rather dull slow enemies (even the combine zombies) AIs expect for the fast crawlers that look like the aliens from Aliens. personally i like how the flood are faster than the headcrabs and how they jump around all over the place.

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#25 BambooBanger
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I didn't like the flood but theyre a good challenge.

They're annoying, but I can't believe people are complaining, games are ment to be a challenge aren't they ? :roll:

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#26 PBSnipes
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I didn't like the flood but theyre a good challenge.

They're annoying, but I can't believe people are complaining, games are ment to be a challenge aren't they ? :roll:

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Challenge doesn't necessarily equal fun.
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#27 black_awpN1
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I was kinda freaked out when I saw them for the first time. THat Librarey level was brutal. I kept yelling, "WHY WONT THEY DIE!!!!"

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#28 Pro_wrestler
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You need to play more games if you think thats the worst idea.
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#29 Chaos_Daro
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I didn't like the flood but theyre a good challenge.

They're annoying, but I can't believe people are complaining, games are ment to be a challenge aren't they ? :roll:

BambooBanger

I don't mind the challenge but killing the flood just wasn't very satisfying. The little parasite thingies were too hard to hit and the zombies took forever to kill.

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#30 Shadow_op
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They feel like they're the retarded cousins of the Zerg.
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They'd be a great enemy if bungie could come up with some way to have you fight them which isn't walking through a series of small corridors which all look identical while cutting through near never-ending swathes of them.

Like someone else said, the levels on Halo 1 where you'd be in the middle of a three-way Marines, Covenant and Flood battle where fantastic; but bungie seem to prefer having at least one horrible flood gauntlet level per game. They even acknowledge that they suck too, which is why "Cortana" in Halo 3 is such a confusing level; in every podcast they talk about how much they hated the Library and the Flood Levels in halo 2, then they make a level like cortana which is exactly the same?

Two weeks after the game's launch they even said "oh yeah totally cortana=fail" in the podcast. What gives?

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#33 Ninja-Vox
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Agreed :P , they were alot more immersive than the flood imo .... flood were just either isnects that died from random bullet spray or hulking things which you just mowed into.

Headcrab's presence was more dangerous, especially the black ones, and the mutaed fast crawlers, or the giant mutated one that hurls off black headcrabs xD

HArder to hit aswell.

Meu2k7

Reaction in Half Life 2: "ooooh, headcrabs! :o"

Reaction in Halo 3: "oh... the flood :|"

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#34 PBSnipes
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They'd be a great enemy if bungie could come up with some way to have you fight them which isn't walking through a series of small corridors which all look identical while cutting through near never-ending swathes of them.

Like someone else said, the levels on Halo 1 where you'd be in the middle of a three-way Marines, Covenant and Flood battle where fantastic; but bungie seem to prefer having at least one horrible flood gauntlet level per game. They even acknowledge that they suck too, which is why "Cortana" in Halo 3 is such a confusing level; in every podcast they talk about how much they hated the Library and the Flood Levels in halo 2, then they make a level like cortana which is exactly the same?

Two weeks after the game's launch they even said "oh yeah totally cortana=fail" in the podcast. What gives?

Ninja-Vox
All Cortana needed was a couple more flamethrowers (other than the semi-hidden one) and it would have been fine. I don't know how a developer screws that one up. Its a scientifically proven fact, flamethrowers in games=awesome.
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#35 tramp
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I was having so much fun with Halo CE, but when the flood appeared i almost stopped playing it.

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#36 Ninja-Vox
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

They'd be a great enemy if bungie could come up with some way to have you fight them which isn't walking through a series of small corridors which all look identical while cutting through near never-ending swathes of them.

Like someone else said, the levels on Halo 1 where you'd be in the middle of a three-way Marines, Covenant and Flood battle where fantastic; but bungie seem to prefer having at least one horrible flood gauntlet level per game. They even acknowledge that they suck too, which is why "Cortana" in Halo 3 is such a confusing level; in every podcast they talk about how much they hated the Library and the Flood Levels in halo 2, then they make a level like cortana which is exactly the same?

Two weeks after the game's launch they even said "oh yeah totally cortana=fail" in the podcast. What gives?

PBSnipes

All Cortana needed was a couple more flamethrowers (other than the semi-hidden one) and it would have been fine. I don't know how a developer screws that one up. Its a scientifically proven fact, flamethrowers in games=awesome.

That annoyed the hell out of me because i saw that it was a flood-gauntlet level, saw the flamethrower, thought "AWESOME!" and then was bitterly disappointed to find the flood simply keep running at you, only on fire. They should be instantly incinerated. What kind of crappy flame thrower sets the target on fire, allowing it to survive around 30 seconds before finally dying?

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#37 Decko5
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not as annoying as t hose zombie and crab things in half life.
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#38 istreakforfood
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[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

I didn't like the flood but theyre a good challenge.

They're annoying, but I can't believe people are complaining, games are ment to be a challenge aren't they ? :roll:

Chaos_Daro

I don't mind the challenge but killing the flood just wasn't very satisfying. The little parasite thingies were too hard to hit and the zombies took forever to kill.

i replayed halo 1 and 2 during christmas holiday and i found them easy to deal with. its weird cause i remember when i played halo 2 in the past i hated encountering them, but they were easy this time around. i just shoot them or melee them when they got to close. i even learned how to do single shot kills with the needler.

i think i read it somewhere or someone told me its more effective to kill the flood in halo 3 with covenent weapons or any weapons that uses fire. i remember they were able to withstand more damage when i used smg, assault rifle, battle rifle, and the pistol.

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#39 Ninja-Vox
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not as annoying as t hose zombie and crab things in half life.Decko5

Blasphemy! :P

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#40 InsaneBasura
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It's like Bungie intentionally threw a monkey wrench into their own games.

The Flood are the most annoying, boring and all around least fun enemies ever in an FPS.

HotStuff_2169

Indeed. Quite. The Flood is up there with the blunder that was the Trigens. Why do certain developers feel the urge to ruin their own games like this?

Developer A: "Oh noes, players are gonna get bored with the game, we needs variety!"
Developer B: "Hows about we throw a real ****ty segment in there? Compared to the otherwise mostly excellent game we've crafted that'll feel completely different!"
Developer A: " By my narrow moustache that doesn't look like Hitler's at all, that's some excellent logic B, let's do it!"

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#41 deactivated-59d151f079814
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The flood was at least more interesting to fight then the covenant.. I am sorry I don't find the Covenant really realistic with being able to talk in fluent english with american accents.. Not to mention the comedic things they say.. Which isn't very funny just stupid..
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#42 Legend_O_Dragon
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Alot of game do that, ruining with stupid enemies. Trigens in FarCry anyone?
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#43 Ilived
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The flood in Halo 3 weren't bad at all, but the the fist Halo game they were the worst. I guess part of the reason was the Library level.
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#44 67gt500
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Worst idea? No... Most irritating idea? Absolutely....
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Tell me a better enemy then chickens? :|

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#46 Blue-Sky
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I hated the Flood too....until I got shotty :P
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#47 krunkfu2
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More like best idea ever in a game amirite?

JiveT

no

The Flood are one of the coolest races ever.

They were boring in Halo 2, but I haven't gotten bored of them in 3 yet.

They were pretty bad in 2 though. Extremely repetitive in that one above all other Halo games.

But the race itself is one of the most powerful I've ever seen. Just standing on an infected planet is enough to have billions of them come charging at you and even the rings didn't kill them all, it just sealed them away.

-TheSecondSign-

all you did in H2 was get the sword, in H:CE you got the shotgun, in H3 the hammer.

it's the same formua in a different form.

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#48 xenos4
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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]Yeah they kinda suck, but the worst? No.ProductNumber49

Lmao the video review is hilarious..Best gameplay and AI i've seen yet

lol that vid was hilarious! I am SO recommending this game to all my friends!!!

but the flood was alright, I never had problems with it. It added a little more immersion, but there are way better shooters than HALO out there (not intended to start a flame war- just opinion)

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They'd be a great enemy if bungie could come up with some way to have you fight them which isn't walking through a series of small corridors which all look identical while cutting through near never-ending swathes of them.

Like someone else said, the levels on Halo 1 where you'd be in the middle of a three-way Marines, Covenant and Flood battle where fantastic; but bungie seem to prefer having at least one horrible flood gauntlet level per game. They even acknowledge that they suck too, which is why "Cortana" in Halo 3 is such a confusing level; in every podcast they talk about how much they hated the Library and the Flood Levels in halo 2, then they make a level like cortana which is exactly the same?

Two weeks after the game's launch they even said "oh yeah totally cortana=fail" in the podcast. What gives?

Ninja-Vox

Yeah, Cortana was just awful. It was actually easier to just run wildly through the level than slowly fight and plan like you would when fighting the Covenant.

And is it just me, or was it ridiculously easy to detonate High Charity? How much harder was the PoA in Halo 1.

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#50 XturnalS
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I agree with TC somewhat. The flood in 2 werent that bad but in 1 in the library it was horrible. Worst level ever in the entire history of levels. Its not the worst idea but it is pretty bad @ some points. Can't really say how they are in 3 cuz i havent played enough of it yet.