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GT series 1998-(2009/2010?)

GT: 8.6, released 1998

GT2: 8.5, released Nov 30th, 1999

GT3:9.4, released Jul 9th, 2001

GT4: 8.9, released Feb 22nd, 2005

Average Score: 8.85

Forza series 2005-(2009?)

Forza 1: 9.2, released May 3rd, 2005

Forza 2: 9.2, released May 29th, 2007

Average Score: 9.2

I don't think we can fairly compare Forza 1 to GT3, since GT3 was released 3 years before Forza. I think it would be better if just keep it Forza 1 v. GT4. We also can't compare Forza 2 to GT5: Pro, since GT5: Pro is a demo (wasn't this called a full game by cows?).

[QUOTE="Generalmojo"]

[QUOTE="Ambli"]

It' already common knowledge that Turn 10 isbetter the Polyphony.

But race sims still suck.

ronjon_09

Polyphony is one of the most succesfulls companys who worked for Sony, those guys are truly amazing. dont compare 360's ripoff to GT mate, just please dont:|

RIPOFF:roll: I'm sorry Forza is a REAL CIRCUIT. Oh I'm sorry Forza has scored better then GT. oh bu bu bu:?

cant understand you with all the fanboy talk

Forza has NEVER and NEVER will be better than Gran Turismo.

I'm not a huge fan of either racing game series that much, but Forza 3 outscoring GT5 will be very funny, though the chances of that happening are 50/50.

Forza has NEVER and NEVER will be better than Gran Turismo.

rikansem

[QUOTE="rikansem"]

Forza has NEVER and NEVER will be better than Gran Turismo.

PBSnipes

Gran turismo revolutionized the racing sim genre, .and if you will look on almost any game site you will see that gran turismo always gets a better score. That is because from Gran Turismo one all the way to Gran Turismo prologue the game just gets better and better and so does Forza but lets face it, which game are people really looking forward to? People grew up with gran turismo, its peoples racing game of choice

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="rikansem"]

Forza has NEVER and NEVER will be better than Gran Turismo.

rikansem

Gran turismo revolutionized the racing sim genre

Gran turismo revolutionized the racing sim genre, .and if you will look on almost any game site you will see that gran turismo always gets a better score. That is because from Gran Turismo one all the way to Gran Turismo prologue the game just gets better and better and so does Forza but lets face it, which game are people really looking forward to? People grew up with gran turismo, its peoples racing game of choice

rikansem

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="rikansem"]

Forza has NEVER and NEVER will be better than Gran Turismo.

rikansem

Gran turismo revolutionized the racing sim genre, .and if you will look on almost any game site you will see that gran turismo always gets a better score. That is because from Gran Turismo one all the way to Gran Turismo prologue the game just gets better and better and so does Forza but lets face it, which game are people really looking forward to? People grew up with gran turismo, its peoples racing game of choice

Like I aid, GT 3 sold most of it's copies from being bundled with the Ps2, the highest selling system ever.

When GT4 came out the switched it with GT3 as packaging.

Hell I didn't even want the game and it came inide the box with Sly Cooper.

With Ps3s selling alot slower then PS2s did, even if they do package it again I doubt it will sell half as many copies as GT 3.

GT series 1998-(2009/2010?)

GT: 8.6, released 1998

GT2: 8.5, released Nov 30th, 1999

GT3:9.4, released Jul 9th, 2001

GT4: 8.9, released Feb 22nd, 2005

Average Score: 8.85

Forza series 2005-(2009?)

Forza 1: 9.2, released May 3rd, 2005

Forza 2: 9.2, released May 29th, 2007

Average Score: 9.2

I don't think we can fairly compare Forza 1 to GT3, since GT3 was released 3 years before Forza. I think it would be better if just keep it Forza 1 v. GT4. We also can't compare Forza 2 to GT5: Pro, since GT5: Pro is a demo (wasn't this called a full game by cows?).

Gta3-fan334

[QUOTE="rikansem"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"] Please, for the love of all that is good and holy, explain how GT is better than Forza.mitu123

Gran turismo revolutionized the racing sim genre

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="rikansem"]

Forza has NEVER and NEVER will be better than Gran Turismo.

rikansem

Gran turismo revolutionized the racing sim genre, .and if you will look on almost any game site you will see that gran turismo always gets a better score. That is because from Gran Turismo one all the way to Gran Turismo prologue the game just gets better and better and so does Forza but lets face it, which game are people really looking forward to? People grew up with gran turismo, its peoples racing game of choice

It's a good series, however Forza has consistently outscored many of the GT titles.

How do you know the people's racing game of choice? It's your racing game of choice, and whilst the GT series has sold a TON, a lot of people still enjoy other games.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="rikansem"]

Forza has NEVER and NEVER will be better than Gran Turismo.

rikansem

Gran turismo revolutionized the racing sim genre, .and if you will look on almost any game site you will see that gran turismo always gets a better score. That is because from Gran Turismo one all the way to Gran Turismo prologue the game just gets better and better and so does Forza but lets face it, which game are people really looking forward to? People grew up with gran turismo, its peoples racing game of choice

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="rikansem"]

Gran turismo revolutionized the racing sim genreTREAL_Since

Agreed, I loved those games.

[QUOTE="Gta3-fan334"]

GT series 1998-(2009/2010?)

GT: 8.6, released 1998

GT2: 8.5, released Nov 30th, 1999

GT3:9.4, released Jul 9th, 2001

GT4: 8.9, released Feb 22nd, 2005

Average Score: 8.85

Forza series 2005-(2009?)

Forza 1: 9.2, released May 3rd, 2005

Forza 2: 9.2, released May 29th, 2007

Average Score: 9.2

I don't think we can fairly compare Forza 1 to GT3, since GT3 was released 3 years before Forza. I think it would be better if just keep it Forza 1 v. GT4. We also can't compare Forza 2 to GT5: Pro, since GT5: Pro is a demo (wasn't this called a full game by cows?).

TREAL_Since

[QUOTE="rikansem"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"] Please, for the love of all that is good and holy, explain how GT is better than Forza.-Traveller-

Gran turismo revolutionized the racing sim genre, .and if you will look on almost any game site you will see that gran turismo always gets a better score. That is because from Gran Turismo one all the way to Gran Turismo prologue the game just gets better and better and so does Forza but lets face it, which game are people really looking forward to? People grew up with gran turismo, its peoples racing game of choice

It's a good series, however Forza has consistently outscored many of the GT titles.

How do you know the people's racing game of choice? It's your racing game of choice, and whilst the GT series has sold a TON, a lot of people still enjoy other games.

Not only that... But Forza 1 MAINLYscored higher than Gran Turismo 4 due to good online play. GT4 had none. In the gameplay department neither game out shined the other. GT always provided more cars and better graphics though. Both have great engine customizations.

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="rikansem"]

Gran turismo revolutionized the racing sim genre, .and if you will look on almost any game site you will see that gran turismo always gets a better score. That is because from Gran Turismo one all the way to Gran Turismo prologue the game just gets better and better and so does Forza but lets face it, which game are people really looking forward to? People grew up with gran turismo, its peoples racing game of choice

TREAL_Since

It's a good series, however Forza has consistently outscored many of the GT titles.

How do you know the people's racing game of choice? It's your racing game of choice, and whilst the GT series has sold a TON, a lot of people still enjoy other games.

Not only that... But Forza 1 MAINLYscored higher than Gran Turismo 4 due to good online play. GT4 had none. In the gameplay department neither game out shined the other. GT always provided more cars and better graphics though. Both have great engine customizations.

Yup, I love both series. I just wanted to burst his bubble :P

Either way GT5 and Forza 3 are a day 1 buy for me.

Will this year I've been 3 for 3 with my predictions (with Ninja Blade, Resident evil 5, and MadWorld) so here is my official crystal ball predictions:

On Gamespot:

Forza 3: 9.0

Gran Turismo 5: 9.0

On Gamerankings:

Forza 3: 91-93%

Gran Turismo 5: 89-91%

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

It's a good series, however Forza has consistently outscored many of the GT titles.

How do you know the people's racing game of choice? It's your racing game of choice, and whilst the GT series has sold a TON, a lot of people still enjoy other games.

-Traveller-

Not only that... But Forza 1 MAINLYscored higher than Gran Turismo 4 due to good online play. GT4 had none. In the gameplay department neither game out shined the other. GT always provided more cars and better graphics though. Both have great engine customizations.

Yup, I love both series. I just wanted to burst his bubble :P

Either way GT5 and Forza 3 are a day 1 buy for me.

Will this year I've been 3 for 3 with my predictions (with Ninja Blade, Resident evil 5, and MadWorld) so here is my official crystal ball predictions:

On Gamespot:

Forza 3: 9.0

Gran Turismo 5: 9.0

On Gamerankings:

Forza 3: 91-93%

Gran Turismo 5: 89-91%

Lionheart08

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

Will this year I've been 3 for 3 with my predictions (with Ninja Blade, Resident evil 5, and MadWorld) so here is my official crystal ball predictions:

On Gamespot:

Forza 3: 9.0

Gran Turismo 5: 9.0

On Gamerankings:

Forza 3: 91-93%

Gran Turismo 5: 89-91%

TREAL_Since

I think the only thing I called wrong this year was 50 Cent. :P

[QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"][QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"] Wait a second , 'sales don't matter.' Oh snap, I forgot, that only comes in play when Sony is losing. So how come GT fanboys answer my challenge earlier? In Forza, if I hit another at 90 MPH , I take damage or spin out. In GT, I just bump the car off and continue to race without skipping a beat. How is that a sim? Steppy_76

Ahhh, i love Cows, especially those who pretend not be biased.

On-topic. I think Forza will be just as good, if not better then GT

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

My god...is it that bad that people are bringing up GT3....an 8 year old game to combat FM scores? That's pathetic...no wonder it's called the Al Bundy of Motorsports

GT5P....While it's not a full game.. It received a review (like a full game) it costs the consumer (like a full game) and you would have bet if it scored a 9+ it would be used as a leverage point. Stop with the damage control. It does not matter how many releases FM has..It's a AAA franchise...and GT5P will be used as a marker on how the franchise is developing..

Cows if you want somebody to blame.....blame Poly for releasing a half fast...nothing but a re-tooling of the past 10 years of GT gameplay...bringing next to nothing in innovation and growth into the genre..

masiisam

What does price have anything to do with what I just said?

IMO it should not have had a price in the first place....40$ dollars is still 40$ dollars....It does not change the fact Poly has done very little to add to the GT brand..

I don't want people to misunderstand what I am saying....I would love for Poly to step up their game..Give us a damn game that is not just a fresh coat of paint like the past two segments of the brand..Give the true fans of the genre a new take on the GT franchise...Give us what yea did 10 years ago...a groundbreaking experience that did define the console genre until FM hit the market...

Like it or not T10 did things Poly NEVER thought of in a console racer....I truly hope GT5 delivers...but given Polys pedigree on what they have done in the past..I expect to be let down AGAIN..

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Ambli"]

It' already common knowledge that Turn 10 isbetter the Polyphony.

But race sims still suck.

GANGSTASAN

I didn't know that. :?

When I see an actual car race where cars just bump each other around at 90MPH and magically never crash or get damaged , then I'll say what a great sim GT isAlphaGamer469

360 has the best shooter: Halo3 The best Third person shooter: Gears of war The best car racing games: Forza 2-3(coming soon) THe best RPGs: Fable 2, Mass Effect(I noe its also for PC but again can a 200$ PC run Mass Effect? Think again) The best platformer : Kameo, banjoo PS3 phailddddDonMarkito

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

umm i wanna count Prologue, but cows are dead set against it. I didnt make up that rule. The problem is that though because Forza 2 outscored it they will just say its a demo, and doesnt count. If it did outscore it then well it would be a completely different conversation.

Fizzman

everyone has been calling it a demo, but now since its not a full game its majically not a demo now?

everyone called it a demo after it got a 7.5, but before it was OMG GT IS GONNA ROXORS EVERYTHING FLOPZA II watchout.

everyone called it a demo after it got a 7.5, but before it was OMG GT IS GONNA ROXORS EVERYTHING FLOPZA II watchout.

NYrockinlegend

i called it a demo ever since i learned it was GT5 PROLOGUE, wtf does that mean...before, before what? THE FULL ******* GAME! your really intelectually challeneged if you think that its a full game with PROLOGUE (i think thats the spelling for it) in the name

The game was $40, how many demo's have you paid money for? You are just getting upset cause the cows were saying that a demo was gonna outscore Forza II, and be 100x better, but when it didnt......guess waht ITS ONLY A DEMO WAIT FOR THE WHOLE GAME BLAH BLA BLAH

Money is not an issue-- it featured more than a standard demo and they felt they could put a price on it and people willingly bought it. Putting a price doesn't change the fact that it was a demo, it was called a demo (Prologue) and it was understood as a demo.

[QUOTE="DonMarkito"]360 has the best shooter: Halo3 The best Third person shooter: Gears of war The best car racing games: Forza 2-3(coming soon) THe best RPGs: Fable 2, Mass Effect(I noe its also for PC but again can a 200$ PC run Mass Effect? Think again) The best platformer : Kameo, banjoo PS3 phailddddirish4eva

You cant be serious to think Forza 3 will be better than GT5 thats just ridiculous. djsifer01

[QUOTE="DonMarkito"]360 has the best shooter: Halo3 The best Third person shooter: Gears of war The best car racing games: Forza 2-3(coming soon) THe best RPGs: Fable 2, Mass Effect(I noe its also for PC but again can a 200$ PC run Mass Effect? Think again) The best platformer : Kameo, banjoo PS3 phailddddirish4eva

not sure if it's real or not but this may be the possible forza 3 boxart

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]You cant be serious to think Forza 3 will be better than GT5 thats just ridiculous. nervmeister

[QUOTE="irish4eva"][QUOTE="DonMarkito"]360 has the best shooter: Halo3 The best Third person shooter: Gears of war The best car racing games: Forza 2-3(coming soon) THe best RPGs: Fable 2, Mass Effect(I noe its also for PC but again can a 200$ PC run Mass Effect? Think again) The best platformer : Kameo, banjoo PS3 phailddddNedemis

If sales equal quality, GT destroys Forza, revives it, and destroys it again.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"] True, but there are some instances when sales do matter and others in which they're all talk. I think they're important, personally, but if a great game sells poorly or not as much as a game that's outdated or doesn't live up to the hype, it'll be because it was barely known, not really a critical flop. Sales do matter Why would GT5 sell better? Just because of how it connects to realism in terms of graphics. Well, for the first time we'll see how GT sells on a system that isn't the runaway sales leader. GT5 will not be on a system with a 60 million userbase advantage like the last GT had. Am I saying it's the best? No, but this is a "hype" thread, hence the title of the thread. Yet Forza is now on the system with alarger potential audience,a system which typically sells more games,and Forza has had more critical success in the past 5 years. Based on the hype, I can tell how high the sales will be of GT5. GT5p was one of the fastest-selling PS3 games to date, and I expect even better from GT5 as a COMPLETE game. Sales do matter, but they're not all that matter. This is a hype thread, so sales matter here. In a thread discussing quality, they don't matter as much. When people bring up KZ2 being a flop because of sales, I argue quality. Quality and sales are both things to take in, but when a great game sells poorly, it's because it was barely known or hyped like other games. KZ2 is the sequel to a mediocre game, and not everyone played the PSP game to know how much the series improved. This game also wasn't a sales flop, considering other exclusives for both systems didn't sell very highly during this period either, in fact, most sold less. Didn't Halo Wars outsell it? An RTS? What other high profile exclusive came out recently? It wasn't the best-selling game either, though it was the fastest-selling, according to Sony. Wouldn't that be like being the smartest kid in speical ed? The fastest-selling game during that period was RE5, but oh, look at the number of disappointed faces coming from that game. Sales rarely explain a game for me. LBP sold somewhat well despite not being an established franchise. I wouldn't know about your question, since I'm not a hardcore sim racer fan. But I can tell GT5 will be a success because of how the other GT games were such a great success, Once again, define "success". GT5 has nowhere near the platform userbase nor the lack of competition the prior versions had. and GT5p sold pretty well and very fast for a PS3 game(even exclusive). There is a difference between selling pretty well and very fast, and selling pretty well and very fast "for a PS3 game". GT5 has a huge amount of hype, anyway. GT is a successful series, I would say more that GT was a more successful series, but much of that success is front loaded on the games from 8 years ago or more. Forza is still kinda new to the game. NYrockinlegend

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="irish4eva"] The best shooter:Killzone 2+Resistance 2 The best car racing games:M:PR+GT4 The best RPgs:Demons souls,Folklore+Valkyria chronicles The Best platformer:R&C+LBP The best sports game:MLB 09 360 phailddddSilverbond

If sales equal quality, GT destroys Forza, revives it, and destroys it again.

BTW....Halo3 has been praised time and time again for the gameplay where as Killzone2's ONLY true praise has been for it's visuals. Are you telling me that visuals are more important then gameplay?

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"] Was GT5P charged full price?Alpha-Male22

What does price have anything to do with what I just said?

IMO it should not have had a price in the first place....40$ dollars is still 40$ dollars....It does not change the fact Poly has done very little to add to the GT brand..

I don't want people to misunderstand what I am saying....I would love for Poly to step up their game..Give us a damn game that is not just a fresh coat of paint like the past two segments of the brand..Give the true fans of the genre a new take on the GT franchise...Give us what yea did 10 years ago...a groundbreaking experience that did define the console genre until FM hit the market...

Like it or not T10 did things Poly NEVER thought of in a console racer....I truly hope GT5 delivers...but given Polys pedigree on what they have done in the past..I expect to be let down AGAIN..

"If it's not full price, it's not a full game which has already been established"

So if a game does not cost 60$ it's not the full release? You honestly believe that? Then RacePRO is just a demo? What about Banjo N&B another demo?..Or how about any PC game that's is released at the normal price of 30$..They are all demos buy that logic..

I am done with the price issue..and will move on to the idea of a "prologue".

On this issue..my problem with Poly and GT5P is not a very complex one. "IF" Ploy completely revamps the model in GT5 how accurate was the "Prologue"? How can you get an idea of how something is going to be if they completely changed the "core" game play dynamitic?

Conversely "IF" Poly leaves the model as we currently see it in GT5P but simply adds some more tracks/cars/features etc...That's accurate of the "prologue" but that falls right into my main belief that Poly has done very little to move the brand forward. As I said nothing more than a fresh coat of paint.

I don't want another GT with just a fresh coat of paint...I want a fresh game from developers that defined the console driving genre 10 years ago...If GT5P is a true prologue of what we should expect in GT5...I will pass on it.....and Poly...the Al Bundy of motor sports will continue to just rely on brand name and do nothing for the genre

My dollars will go to FM3 and by the looks of how things are shaping up ...Shift

Halo 3: ODST is also a demo going by the $40 logic.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]You cant be serious to think Forza 3 will be better than GT5 thats just ridiculous. Shin_Akuma01

[QUOTE="Shin_Akuma01"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]I wouldn't say that. It's certainly possible though not guaranteed.djsifer01

So, what DO cows think of Prologue? A full game, or a demo? I think it's a demo released as a full game. It sold like a full game, it's a bigger version of a demo, and it's actually worth money, but not $40. More like $20 from me and we have a deal.:)NYrockinlegend

Yes. Too expensive for a *sample* of the full product.

Halo 3: ODST is also a demo going by the $40 logic.

Ambli

The $40 price tag has little to do with what the game is. The game itself, and what it's name implies it is:

Prologue - a preliminary discourse; a preface or introductory part of a discourse, poem, novel, or in this case a video game. AKA a Demo. AKA a very expensive and glorified demo whose purpose was to generate money and test online servers at the same time.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="irish4eva"] The best shooter:Killzone 2+Resistance 2 The best car racing games:M:PR+GT4 The best RPgs:Demons souls,Folklore+Valkyria chronicles The Best platformer:R&C+LBP The best sports game:MLB 09 360 phailddddSilverbond

If sales equal quality, GT destroys Forza, revives it, and destroys it again.

I love both GT and Forza, but I think GT remains on the top in terms of quality and realism. Can't wait for GT5 and Forza 3! :D