The full Playstation Move experience does NOT cost $100 - this is a FACT

The Move bundle sells for $100 but it does not contain everything you need to play games with the Move.

First of all if you play a hardcore game such as a first person shooter, then you will need a Navigation controller which is NOT included in the Move bundle.

If you want to play a FPS, you need a Move controller and a Nav for ONE PLAYER gaming. If you want to play split screen then you need 2 Move controllers and 2 Nav controllers.

What if you want to play a fighting game or dancing game for example? Well then you need 2 Move controllers for EACH PLAYER!

Considering the Move bundle only brings ONE Move controller and does not include even the Nav controller, this means if you only purchase that bundle then you are restricted to mini games with simplified controls. That's right, you can't even play the pack in game 'Sports Champions' correctly, you have to play it with dumbed down controls.

A lot of people here bragging about how you can play hardcore games with the Move but then turn their heads the other way when the conversation about cost comes up. It seems as if no one here will admit the real price of using move with 2 players and playing ALL GAMES with OPTIMIZED CONTROLS.

Here is the real price.

Move Bundle = $100

2 Nav Controllers = $60 (1 player only 1 Nav = $30)

3 additional Move Controllers = $150 (1 player only 1 additional Move controller = $50)

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Total for 2 player unrestricted Move gaming = $310

Total for 1 player unrestricted Move gaming = $180



Kinect by comparison, you have everything you need for $150($100 for bundles). You can play with full controlls, the way games are meant to be played and for 2+ players. In addition we now know that you will be able to play HARDCORE games with Kinect. That's right, you will use the regular 360 controller along side Kinect. The possibilities are really endless and they do create an amazing and unique gameplay experience that honestly can only be described as the future of gaming.

Ok if thats what you think.

Ok if thats what you think.

PSNLakers416

Kinect's on-rail games fails to demonstrate meaningful gameplay beyond the capability of 1 Move controller.mystervj

:P

once again, who would purchase Kinect?

you look like an idiot using it, and it feels awkward and lazy.

Kinect's on-rail games fails to demonstrate meaningful gameplay beyond the capability of 1 Move controller.mystervj

[QUOTE="mystervj"]Kinect's on-rail games fails to demonstrate meaningful gameplay beyond the capability of 1 Move controller.HelloMoto56

:P

once again, who would purchase Kinect?

you look like an idiot using it, and it feels awkward and lazy.

And the move feels like a wiimote with a giant glowing pink ball on the end. You look like an idiot using either one.ferret-gamer

except one actually feels like you're playing the game, and the other makes you feel remedial.

and who cares about the aesthetic design? the "pink glowing ball" at the end is the reason that 1:1 is so accurate :|.

[QUOTE="mystervj"]Kinect's on-rail games fails to demonstrate meaningful gameplay beyond the capability of 1 Move controller.alexfla

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] And the move feels like a wiimote with a giant glowing pink ball on the end. You look like an idiot using either one.HelloMoto56

except one actually feels like you're playing the game, and the other makes you feel remedial.

and who cares about the aesthetic design? the "pink glowing ball" at the end is the reason that 1:1 is so accurate :|.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] And the move feels like a wiimote with a giant glowing pink ball on the end. You look like an idiot using either one.HelloMoto56

except one actually feels like you're playing the game, and the other makes you feel remedial.

and who cares about the aesthetic design? the "pink glowing ball" at the end is the reason that 1:1 is so accurate :|.

Actually it's not 1:1, it lags just as bad or WORSE than Wii plus. Have you even been reading move reviews?

alexfla

what reviews? the ones that are giving it 8's and 9's?

sorry, i didn't notice.

and what do you think Kinect's launch score is going to be on those same websites, in comparison?

5's?

4's?

:lol:

[QUOTE="HelloMoto56"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"]Kinect's on-rail games fails to demonstrate meaningful gameplay beyond the capability of 1 Move controller.ferret-gamer

:P

once again, who would purchase Kinect?

you look like an idiot using it, and it feels awkward and lazy.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] yeah it isnt 1:1.HelloMoto56

...

:roll:

Ok, let me tell you as someone who as actually used the move, it isnt 1:1.ferret-gamer

yeah, because i'll take the word of an SW member over everyone else anyday.

:roll:

and you've "used the move"?

when?

E3 2010?

:lol:

Kinect is not the future. Hands-free gaming will never replace controllers, at least not for a very long time. Kinect isn't worth the money because there is a limit to what you can actually do without a controller. Move isn't worth the money because it's ridiculously expensive, as you just said.aFatDog

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

Actually it's not 1:1, it lags just as bad or WORSE than Wii plus. Have you even been reading move reviews?

HelloMoto56

what reviews? the ones that are giving it 8's and 9's?

sorry, i didn't notice.

and what do you think Kinect's launch score is going to be on those same websites, in comparison?

5's?

4's?

:lol:

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Ok, let me tell you as someone who as actually used the move, it isnt 1:1.HelloMoto56

yeah, because i'll take the word of an SW member over everyone else anyday.

:roll:

and you've "used the move"?

when?

E3 2010?

:lol:

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"]Kinect's on-rail games fails to demonstrate meaningful gameplay beyond the capability of 1 Move controller.mystervj

However, Kinect could be garbage for the core gamer.

I think the majority of people (even common consumers) know this. This is like someone figuring out that they have to buy a game in order to play a game on an XBOX 360 or PS3 (that do not include games). You start out cheap, not expensive.Anberlin_2004

[QUOTE="mystervj"]

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

On-rail linear games? This thread is not about PS3 exclusives. We're discussing playstation move in this thread.

alexfla

But if you buy Kinect you can't play FPS at all with it

What does it matter if Move ends up being a bit more if you get EVERYTHING you possibly can for two players. First of all, both players dont NEED a nav controller to play all the games, and some of these people could be buying it for singlepalyer stuff. Also, you discounting the fact that Kinect has a higher chance of being useless to the core or the hardcore gamer then Move does.

But if you buy Kinect you can't play FPS at all with it

BPoole96

[QUOTE="PSNLakers416"]

Ok if thats what you think.

alexfla

The Move bundle sells for $100 but it does not contain everything you need to play games with the Move.

First of all if you play a hardcore game such as a first person shooter, then you will need a Navigation controller which is NOT included in the Move bundle.

If you want to play a FPS, you need a Move controller and a Nav for ONE PLAYER gaming. If you want to play split screen then you need 2 Move controllers and 2 Nav controllers.

What if you want to play a fighting game or dancing game for example? Well then you need 2 Move controllers for EACH PLAYER!

Considering the Move bundle only brings ONE Move controller and does not include even the Nav controller, this means if you only purchase that bundle then you are restricted to mini games with simplified controls. That's right, you can't even play the pack in game 'Sports Champions' correctly, you have to play it with dumbed down controls.

A lot of people here bragging about how you can play hardcore games with the Move but then turn their heads the other way when the conversation about cost comes up. It seems as if no one here will admit the real price of using move with 2 players and playing ALL GAMES with OPTIMIZED CONTROLS.

Here is the real price.

Move Bundle = $100

2 Nav Controllers = $60 (1 player only 1 Nav = $30)

3 additional Move Controllers = $150 (1 player only 1 additional Move controller = $50)

______________________________________________

Total for 2 player unrestricted Move gaming = $310

Total for 1 player unrestricted Move gaming = $180



Kinect by comparison, you have everything you need for $150($100 for bundles). You can play with full controlls, the way games are meant to be played and for 2+ players. In addition we now know that you will be able to play HARDCORE games with Kinect. That's right, you will use the regular 360 controller along side Kinect. The possibilities are really endless and they do create an amazing and unique gameplay experience that honestly can only be described as the future of gaming.

alexfla

Using that logic, I could say that PCs cost upwards of $5000+ simply because they're able to be upgraded that much. I could understand a thread comparing Move at $130(w/ nav. controller) to $150 Kinect, but this is just ridiculous.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

But if you buy Kinect you can't play FPS at all with it

mystervj

Ooooohhhhhhh gotcha!

*starts pretending Kinect supports games that I would actually play*

Can't wait for Kinectimals!

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="PSNLakers416"]

Ok if thats what you think.

Chutebox

While I would agree, I think it's fair to include it because most people will probably buy one if they intend to play a game that uses the left analog stick. I don't expect many people to use the left side of the Dualshock 3, even though it isn't a bad alternative.

And Kinect will cost you two living rooms, two TVs, two 360s, two Kinects and three hookers to play four player, amirite?

Oh Alexfla you are a treat whenever i come on SW every night please continue with your hilarious comments.

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] You brought up Kinect your self. You also mentioned you can play hardcore games with Kinect, where exactly are you getting this information?

mystervj

But if you buy Kinect you can't play FPS at all with it

BPoole96

This is kinda funny actually. Didn't developer say some kinect games will include a normal controller as well? So for the full experience for that game = $210.. AMIRITE or AMIRITE?nintendo-4life

I thought the whole purpose of Kinect was to game without a controller...

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="PSNLakers416"]

Ok if thats what you think.

Chutebox

I'm considering on getting things separately. Eventually I'll be checking out Ebay and Amazon for the PsEye and controllers.

Using that logic, I could say that PCs cost upwards of $5000+ simply because they're able to be upgraded that much. I could understand a thread comparing Move at $130(w/ nav. controller) to $150 Kinect, but this is just ridiculous.

RogueShodown

Im not getting this thinga t launch until I get software that ill want. Wether thats Move centric games or games with Move support liek Killzoen 3 remains to be seen. However, if I did get it, i would personaly only need the bundle and the nav controller, atleast at the beginning. I dont plan on having it as a multiplayer kinda thing unless the folks wanna chip in for another set of controller stuff. So, for me personaly if I did get it, it would cost me 130 dollars, which is cheaper then a Kinect.

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"]

Using that logic, I could say that PCs cost upwards of $5000+ simply because they're able to be upgraded that much. I could understand a thread comparing Move at $130(w/ nav. controller) to $150 Kinect, but this is just ridiculous.

alexfla

Then use 2 move controllers, not 3. I'm pretty sure that all local multi-player games announced for Move only require 1 Move controller per person. Nearly all of them have players taking turns, so you'll only need enough controllers for one person in those instances.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

But if you buy Kinect you can't play FPS at all with it

alexfla

This analogy makes zero sense. You don't need a rumble pack to play an FPS. What you do need is a way to move around a 3D plane and Kinect does not allow that unless MS is planning to release Halo: On Rails

Kinect doesn't actually affect hardcore gaming in any way because they are on complete opposites ends of the spectrum. Why would I want to use a 360 controller along with Kinect? So I can take my hands off the controller and get owned because I don't have full control over my character because I'm only hold the controller with one hand? I'll pass on that.

And let me ask you this: Why would I buy a dance game or an exercise game when I could just go to a club (which probably leads to a better outcome) or just go to the gym and get an actual workout? You know who would want to play those kinds of games? Casual gamers

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

But if you buy Kinect you can't play FPS at all with it

BPoole96

This analogy makes zero sense. You don't need a rumble pack to play an FPS. What you do need is a way to move around a 3D plane and Kinect does not allow that unless MS is planning to release Halo: On Rails

Kinect actually affect hardcore gaming in any way because they are on complete opposites ends of the spectrum. Why would I want to use a 360 controller along with Kinect? So I can take my hands off the controller and get owned because I don't have full control over my character because I'm only hold the controller with one hand? I'll pass on that.

And let me ask you this: Why would I buy a dance game or an exercise game when I could just go to a club (which probably leads to a better outcome) or just go to the gym and get an actual workout? You know who would want to play those kinds of games? Casual gamers

Its convienance also.

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"]

Using that logic, I could say that PCs cost upwards of $5000+ simply because they're able to be upgraded that much. I could understand a thread comparing Move at $130(w/ nav. controller) to $150 Kinect, but this is just ridiculous.

RogueShodown

Then use 2 move controllers, not 3. I'm pretty sure that all local multi-player games announced for Move only require 1 Move controller per person. Nearly all of them have players taking turns, so you'll only need enough controllers for one person in those instances.

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"]

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

The problem is that some games require 2 move controllers for 1 player games. Even some of the mini games in 'Sports Champion' require 2 Move controllers for optimal controls. Then there are games such as the fighting game where one move controller is your left hand and the other is your right hand. How can you play a game like that with only one Move controller?

alexfla

Then use 2 move controllers, not 3. I'm pretty sure that all local multi-player games announced for Move only require 1 Move controller per person. Nearly all of them have players taking turns, so you'll only need enough controllers for one person in those instances.

What games are you talking about? The only game that I can think of that lets you play against the other person at the same time with 2 controllers per person is the gladiators game from Sports Champion. You have the option to use either 1 or 2 move controllers, so I don't see the problem. I don't see anyone getting 3-4 controllers just to be able to use them on 1 mini-game. Come back to me when there are more games that let you use multiple controllers and play against your friend at the same time.

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

But if you buy Kinect you can't play FPS at all with it

BPoole96

This analogy makes zero sense. You don't need a rumble pack to play an FPS. What you do need is a way to move around a 3D plane and Kinect does not allow that unless MS is planning to release Halo: On Rails

Kinect actually affect hardcore gaming in any way because they are on complete opposites ends of the spectrum. Why would I want to use a 360 controller along with Kinect? So I can take my hands off the controller and get owned because I don't have full control over my character because I'm only hold the controller with one hand? I'll pass on that.

And let me ask you this: Why would I buy a dance game or an exercise game when I could just go to a club (which probably leads to a better outcome) or just go to the gym and get an actual workout? You know who would want to play those kinds of games? Casual gamers

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]This is kinda funny actually. Didn't developer say some kinect games will include a normal controller as well? So for the full experience for that game = $210.. AMIRITE or AMIRITE?ImaPirate0202

I thought the whole purpose of Kinect was to game without a controller...

Well for most people they may only need to buy the $100 bundle to enjoy the game they want to enjoy. Sony isn't going to offer some kind of 4 controller/2 nav/ camera bundle because most people might not want that many.

No one is claiming the Move is only going to be $100. The start up kit for the move is $100.

Finally I thought Lems would be proud of Sony's strategy in this, because they have defended Microsoft's decisions to only sell optional accessories on the side such as Hard Drive, Rechargeable controller packs, and Wifi, the things the PS3 includes