The Future of XBL - A discussion on legitimizing XBL fees for next gen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] I've decided to dislike you no longer Kurimen... I find your lack of reasonable and objective thought to be disappointing in a forum that survives by an ability to discuss gaming. You can sling mud all you want, but I have no interest any longer. I consider the lack of Party/cross game chat and the unfortunate amount of constant updates to be aspects of the playstation experience that drag it down, but opinion is opinion.TheEroica

Evolve Kuri... Evolve.

I just set myself to the level of the thread as required.

XBL won't ever be free because people are dumb enough to pay for something that is free everywhere else. I would be surprised if they did a subscrption service on the system it's self, people would be dumb enough to pay for that too. There is nothing really better about XBL, you mention more features but this isn't true. PSN has features that XBL doesn't have such as PS Home, whether or not you like that service isn't the point, the argument is that a free service has features that the paid one doesn't have either.

And the population sizes are the same, and I think XBL could have been hacked as well if they were targeted. In the end FREE >>> $60 cross game chat. But I have no right to tell other people what to spend their money on.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

PSN+ sh1ts on Xbox Live Gold so hard it's a total joke.

Normal PSN sh1ts on Xbox Live Gold, but even if we compare paid service for paid service PSN+ is lightyears ahead of XBL.

TheEroica

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! we're discussing, not hating eachother on the sabbath...

Shabbat is on Saturday.

LOL

your thread is broken, Eroica.

LOL

your thread is broken, Eroica.

Cheleman

Yeah... been a while since I saw this mess!:P

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

LOL

your thread is broken, Eroica.

Rocker6

Yeah... been a while since I saw this mess!:P

Make a new thread, and ask the mods to lock this one.

Thread was already a mess from the start. Anyways, it's going to be fixed on the next page

This thread hurts.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]even if only slightly more than the competition, still has more featureskuraimen

I wonder what'll happen if I quote Piranha:roll::P

I wonder what'll happen if I quote Piranha:roll::P

Cheleman

Should be free, or a fraction of the price. XBL fees = license to print moneySaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

I wonder what'll happen if I quote Piranha:roll::P

TheEroica

lol, no problem man:P

Don't know how being locked out of the multiplayer content of a game you've already bought isn't listed as a negative?hoosier7

Because that isn't what happens, and you know it ;) I would say nice spin, but its not even original.

[QUOTE="hoosier7"]Don't know how being locked out of the multiplayer content of a game you've already bought isn't listed as a negative?RR360DD

Because that isn't what happens, and you know it ;) I would say nice spin, but its not even original.

I think MS will make online free next gen because the gap between PSN and Live is constantly getting smaller and smaller. The next Playstation will have cross game chat, just like the Vita. Sony most likely can't bring it to the PS3 due to their bad choice in RAM and their OS being more sizable then Microsofts. After that, what real advantage does Live bring? And if Nintendo steps up their game and actually make a decent online service, it's only going to futher pressure MS into making it free.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="hoosier7"]Don't know how being locked out of the multiplayer content of a game you've already bought isn't listed as a negative?2_Quiet_2_Riot

Because that isn't what happens, and you know it ;) I would say nice spin, but its not even original.

You're an idiot for even trying to spin it :lol:

You're saying being locked out of MP isn't what happens?

That's the worst part about XBL Gold. Players are simply being DENIED their basic rights to simply play the MP portion of the game they've spent their hard money on and that's pathetic.

I think MS will make online free next gen because the gap between PSN and Live is constantly getting smaller and smaller. The next Playstation will have cross game chat, just like the Vita. Sony most likely can't bring it to the PS3 due to their bad choice in RAM and their OS being more sizable then Microsofts. After that, what real advantage does Live bring? And if Nintendo steps up their game and actually make a decent online service, it's only going to futher pressure MS into making it free.

micky4889

The issue with Xbox Live is that it isn't feature-rich. Maybe if it were, it'd be worth the money. Otherwise, you're paying for what many people consider to be barebones internet service jam-packed with additional advertisements that could easily pay for the service without the subscription fee. Lemmings love to get abused by their master. :)KHAndAnime

I think it's more that lemmings have no other choice but to pay if they want to play their games, thats why they will defend live where ever possible to try to justify it (ads and all) and telling everyone what great features it has and hows it's totally worth the $60 a year. Going by that logic, if MS make online play free, then they won't lose any Live subscribers because of 'teh feature!' Right?:lol:

I'm going to laugh if MS does make online free for Sliver and sit back and watch the Gold subscriber count plummet.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="hoosier7"]Don't know how being locked out of the multiplayer content of a game you've already bought isn't listed as a negative?2_Quiet_2_Riot

Because that isn't what happens, and you know it ;) I would say nice spin, but its not even original.

You're an idiot for even trying to spin it :lol:

You're saying being locked out of MP isn't what happens?

That's the worst part about XBL Gold. Players are simply being DENIED their basic rights to simply play the MP portion of the game they've spent their hard money on and that's pathetic.

Basic rights? :lol: That drivel is gold, made me laugh

The MP content is all there on disc, its not missing nor is it "locked out" like you're saying. Whats simply happening is that you're being denied access to certain XBL servers that Microsoft foot the bill for funnily enough. I'm not trying to justify the XBL price, but what you're saying is just plain wrong.

[QUOTE="2_Quiet_2_Riot"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Because that isn't what happens, and you know it ;) I would say nice spin, but its not even original.

RR360DD

You're an idiot for even trying to spin it :lol:

You're saying being locked out of MP isn't what happens?

That's the worst part about XBL Gold. Players are simply being DENIED their basic rights to simply play the MP portion of the game they've spent their hard money on and that's pathetic.

Basic rights? :lol: That drivel is gold, made me laugh

The MP content is all there on disc, its not missing nor is it "locked out" like you're saying. Whats simply happening is that you're being denied access to certain XBL servers that Microsoft foot the bill for funnily enough. I'm not trying to justify the XBL price, but what you're saying is just plain wrong.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="2_Quiet_2_Riot"]

You're an idiot for even trying to spin it :lol:

You're saying being locked out of MP isn't what happens?

That's the worst part about XBL Gold. Players are simply being DENIED their basic rights to simply play the MP portion of the game they've spent their hard money on and that's pathetic.

kuraimen

Basic rights? :lol: That drivel is gold, made me laugh

The MP content is all there on disc, its not missing nor is it "locked out" like you're saying. Whats simply happening is that you're being denied access to certain XBL servers that Microsoft foot the bill for funnily enough. I'm not trying to justify the XBL price, but what you're saying is just plain wrong.

No damage to control buddy ;)

[QUOTE="micky4889"]

I think MS will make online free next gen because the gap between PSN and Live is constantly getting smaller and smaller. The next Playstation will have cross game chat, just like the Vita. Sony most likely can't bring it to the PS3 due to their bad choice in RAM and their OS being more sizable then Microsofts. After that, what real advantage does Live bring? And if Nintendo steps up their game and actually make a decent online service, it's only going to futher pressure MS into making it free.

TheEroica

I'm sure Xbox owners aren't going to pay $60 a year to getcrucified by PC players. Crossplatform play sounds like a cool feature but I don't care how skilled anyone says they are, a controller simply can't keep up with a mouse and keyboard. I think MS will just add more TV apps ( entertainment apps in general) to try to justify the price but will ultimately drop it for online play in order to stay competitive.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="micky4889"]

I think MS will make online free next gen because the gap between PSN and Live is constantly getting smaller and smaller. The next Playstation will have cross game chat, just like the Vita. Sony most likely can't bring it to the PS3 due to their bad choice in RAM and their OS being more sizable then Microsofts. After that, what real advantage does Live bring? And if Nintendo steps up their game and actually make a decent online service, it's only going to futher pressure MS into making it free.

micky4889

I'm sure Xbox owners aren't going to pay $60 a year to getcrucified by PC players. Crossplatform play sounds like a cool feature but I don't care how skilled anyone says they are, a controller simply can't keep up with a mouse and keyboard. I think MS will just add more TV apps ( entertainment apps in general) to try to justify the price but will ultimately drop it for online play in order to stay competitive.

Make it free with ads... and if a person pays a subscription then give them an ad free environment!

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

PSN+ sh1ts on Xbox Live Gold so hard it's a total joke.

Normal PSN sh1ts on Xbox Live Gold, but even if we compare paid service for paid service PSN+ is lightyears ahead of XBL.

ShadowMoses900

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! we're discussing, not hating eachother on the sabbath...

Shabbat is on Saturday.

I am a soldier of christ... so for me its sunday. Is shabbat judaism? we're practically related!

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! we're discussing, not hating eachother on the sabbath...

TheEroica

Shabbat is on Saturday.

I am a soldier of christ... so for me its sunday. Is shabbat judaism? we're practically related!

And I am a soldier of Satan and hate all the rest (including Jesus :twisted:)

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Shabbat is on Saturday.

V3rciS

I am a soldier of christ... so for me its sunday. Is shabbat judaism? we're practically related!

And I am a soldier of Satan and hate all the rest (including Jesus :twisted:)

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="2_Quiet_2_Riot"]

You're an idiot for even trying to spin it :lol:

You're saying being locked out of MP isn't what happens?

That's the worst part about XBL Gold. Players are simply being DENIED their basic rights to simply play the MP portion of the game they've spent their hard money on and that's pathetic.

2_Quiet_2_Riot

Basic rights? :lol: That drivel is gold, made me laugh

The MP content is all there on disc, its not missing nor is it "locked out" like you're saying. Whats simply happening is that you're being denied access to certain XBL servers that Microsoft foot the bill for funnily enough. I'm not trying to justify the XBL price, but what you're saying is just plain wrong.

OMG :lol:

Dude, you're making Lemmingland look bad. You're spinning and sputtering like a fool.

I never said it was missing, all I said in a nutshell, was that players (on XBox Live Free) are being DENIED (yes, the right) to play the MP portion of their games and in order to access the MP portion, a fee for XBOX Live Gold is required. Which is pathetic.

On the XBOX.COM website, it CLEARLY says, Players are required to subscribe to XBox Live Gold, in order to access the Mulitplayer portion of any games that have the MP feature.

And yes it is "Locked out" as in, in plain English, the player is being "LOCKED OUT" from playing the MP portion of the game. There's NO ACCESS, therefore players are being "locked out" from playing. Get it?

Okay, then to use your terminology, players are being "LOCKED OUT" from XBL servers that allow multiplayer gaming.

And yes, it CLEARLY does say that an XBL subscription is required, therefore anyone who buys a game and then complains they can't play online without a subscription is a MUG

And what you said was that it was a basic right to be able to play the MP portion of a game. Which is hilarious. You pay $60 for a game and you get that game with the exact same content that the PC version has, the PS3 version has etc. However in those instances, their online services are free and the bills are footed elsewhere. In Xbox's case, a subscription is required. So I repeat, it ain't "a right" buddy. Quit acting like a spoilt brat who thinks the world owes him everything :lol:

They should do something....

either drop the price significantly, ideally it would be free or add some PS+ like perks. reduced prices, early access and the occasional free stuff

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Okay, then to use your terminology, players are being "LOCKED OUT" from XBL servers that allow multiplayer gaming.

And yes, it CLEARLY does say that an XBL subscription is required, therefore anyone who buys a game and then complains they can't play online without a subscription is a MUG

And what you said was that it was a basic right to be able to play the MP portion of a game. Which is hilarious. You pay $60 for a game and you get that game with the exact same content that the PC version has, the PS3 version has etc. However in those instances, their online services are free and the bills are footed elsewhere. In Xbox's case, a subscription is required. So I repeat, it ain't "a right" buddy. Quit acting like a spoilt brat who thinks the world owes him everything :lol:

2_Quiet_2_Riot

OMG :lol:

Get over yourself, dude. How 'bout you quit being a spoiled brat, since your mom & dad won't be paying for your precious XBOX Live too long as you get older. And when you do get older, you'll learn about principles. Hopefully :(

I clearly made my point and was concise, but you decide to nitpick, over analyze, nitpick again (and probably over analyze again after my post) and at the same time beating around the bush, then crashing your head through a massive tree trunk over some trivial terminology I used.

It is "a right" since I'm paying $60 or so on a game and I can't even play the MP portion unless I fork out a subscription fee. My right to play that MP portion (which should be free, imo) is DENIED since I'm on XBL Free. Therefore, I have no other choice but forced to fork in that FEE, to access the MP. A player has "every right" to that game they just bought, both the SP and MP portions, because, get this....here's the real clincher.....they BOUGHT that game with their money and they OWN IT :shock:

Try to use a flash light next time before beating yourslf around the bush, you'll see much better :)

The old mom and dad routine. Thats cute.

You own the game knobhead, NOT 'the right' to Microsofts servers. I can play Halo 4 singler player AND multiplayer with XBL Silver. When is that going to sink in.

'Your rights' to play that MP portion (which is a hilarious concept) is NOT denied, you can play the MP portion all you want but you ain't doing it online bro until you pay the fee.

heres my idea

silver -free -access to dlc multiplayer , and certain aps, -like internet explorer netflix hulu plus and youtube

gold- 39.99 for 1 year everything silver plus discounts and premium apps party chat etc ,

platinum-59.99 all gold silver fearly tures plus free games and discounts more frequent then gold, and early demos /betas

/psn is better because its free and we get free games end of discussion in my eyes _SWAG_