The gaming media is setting the medium back 10 years

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

 

Why?

_Judge_Gabranth

-longer

-the combat is more varied thanks to weapons, rails and vigors

-the enemies are more vared and more fun to fight against

-Has advancement system

-the story is both better written as well as better told

Columbia is more unique and much more varied setting

-The companion adds new unique mechanics into the game, can't say the same about Spec Ops' buddies

-longer

Both games have pacing issues so this is a weaknes

-the combat is more varied thanks to weapons, rails and vigors

Guns are generic and boring in both

Rails were a neat idea but you barely get to use them 

Vigors didnt really add much

-the enemies are more vared and more fun to fight against

This was a weakness for both games. Infinite had a few special enemies but they almost never show up Crow, Fire, Handyman

-Has advancement system

It doesnt significantly change anything

-the story is both better written as well as better told

Infinites story telling is crap. It has terrible pacing. Nothing happens like 70% of the game then there is a 20 minute cutsecene telling you everything that happened. Also a story as convuluted as Infinite is not well written. I felt like I was supposed to hate Comstock but I dont know why I should. Also Ifinite uses one of the most annoying tactics in games the old princess is in another castle trick. "He get the ship and we are free!" You get attacked. "Hey get the gun smith" He is dead so you have to jump through 10 dimensions. Spec Ops story is not great but it gets the job down.

-Columbia is more unique and much more varied setting

I think Columbia does have some bright spots but as a whole its kinda weak. Its supposed to be this great citybut you spend most the game walking in straight lines. Spec Ops doesnt have the highs Infinite does(Like the begining) but as a whole it is much more consisitant Also Vigors made no sense in that world

-The companion adds new unique mechanics into the game, can't say the same about Spec Ops' buddies

The companion wasnt that great

I am not saying Spec Ops should be called the greatest game ever cause Infinite is. The point is why is one rated so highly over another if they are so similar in what they do well and fail

texas alt confirmed, fuking long walls of texts telling you how your opinion is wrong and his right with some incredibly dumb arguments even after you took the time to explain it to this clown.

So is this the third Bioshock Infinite bash thread the TC has made, or are there others I've missed?PannicAtack

there are others, in his main acc he also did like 3 or 4 and derailed others.

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]It's:

-longer

-the combat is more varied thanks to weapons, rails and vigors

-the enemies are more vared and more fun to fight against

-Has advancement system

-the story is both better written as well as better told

Columbia is more unique and much more varied setting

-The companion adds new unique mechanics into the game, can't say the same about Spec Ops' buddies

Krelian-co

-longer

Both games have pacing issues so this is a weaknes

-the combat is more varied thanks to weapons, rails and vigors

Guns are generic and boring in both

Rails were a neat idea but you barely get to use them 

Vigors didnt really add much

-the enemies are more vared and more fun to fight against

This was a weakness for both games. Infinite had a few special enemies but they almost never show up Crow, Fire, Handyman

-Has advancement system

It doesnt significantly change anything

-the story is both better written as well as better told

Infinites story telling is crap. It has terrible pacing. Nothing happens like 70% of the game then there is a 20 minute cutsecene telling you everything that happened. Also a story as convuluted as Infinite is not well written. I felt like I was supposed to hate Comstock but I dont know why I should. Also Ifinite uses one of the most annoying tactics in games the old princess is in another castle trick. "He get the ship and we are free!" You get attacked. "Hey get the gun smith" He is dead so you have to jump through 10 dimensions. Spec Ops story is not great but it gets the job down.

-Columbia is more unique and much more varied setting

I think Columbia does have some bright spots but as a whole its kinda weak. Its supposed to be this great citybut you spend most the game walking in straight lines. Spec Ops doesnt have the highs Infinite does(Like the begining) but as a whole it is much more consisitant Also Vigors made no sense in that world

-The companion adds new unique mechanics into the game, can't say the same about Spec Ops' buddies

The companion wasnt that great

I am not saying Spec Ops should be called the greatest game ever cause Infinite is. The point is why is one rated so highly over another if they are so similar in what they do well and fail

texas alt confirmed, fuking long walls of texts telling you how your opinion is wrong and his right with some incredibly dumb arguments even after you took the time to explain it to this clown.

Well you have bad taste and have been brainwashed by hype and the paid off media. Thanks for killing the industry

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]So is this the third Bioshock Infinite bash thread the TC has made, or are there others I've missed?Krelian-co

there are others, in his main acc he also did like 3 or 4 and derailed others.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

-longer

Both games have pacing issues so this is a weaknes

 

-the combat is more varied thanks to weapons, rails and vigors

Guns are generic and boring in both

Rails were a neat idea but you barely get to use them 

Vigors didnt really add much

 

-the enemies are more vared and more fun to fight against

This was a weakness for both games. Infinite had a few special enemies but they almost never show up Crow, Fire, Handyman

 

-Has advancement system

It doesnt significantly change anything

 

-the story is both better written as well as better told

Infinites story telling is crap. It has terrible pacing. Nothing happens like 70% of the game then there is a 20 minute cutsecene telling you everything that happened. Also a story as convuluted as Infinite is not well written. I felt like I was supposed to hate Comstock but I dont know why I should. Also Ifinite uses one of the most annoying tactics in games the old princess is in another castle trick. "He get the ship and we are free!" You get attacked. "Hey get the gun smith" He is dead so you have to jump through 10 dimensions. Spec Ops story is not great but it gets the job down.

 

-Columbia is more unique and much more varied setting

I think Columbia does have some bright spots but as a whole its kinda weak. Its supposed to be this great citybut you spend most the game walking in straight lines. Spec Ops doesnt have the highs Infinite does(Like the begining) but as a whole it is much more consisitant Also Vigors made no sense in that world

 

-The companion adds new unique mechanics into the game, can't say the same about Spec Ops' buddies

The companion wasnt that great

 

 

I am not saying Spec Ops should be called the greatest game ever cause Infinite is. The point is why is one rated so highly over another if they are so similar in what they do well and fail

_Judge_Gabranth

texas alt confirmed, fuking long walls of texts telling you how your opinion is wrong and his right with some incredibly dumb arguments even after you took the time to explain it to this clown.

Well you have bad taste and have been brainwashed by hype and the paid off media. Thanks for killing the industry

Haha, what a moron

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Reports say it does, actually. However, if you lock the frame rate to 30 FPS or lower, the stuttering is far less apparent. But if you try to play the game at 60 FPS, it often drops down to 40 for a few seconds, causing the stuttering. There are lots of YT vids with FPS overlays showing the drops, look them up if interested.

Rocker6

For anyone else interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAjQlJPlpTY

Wow it drops from ~120 to 40, that is awful.

Indeed, it makes playing the game a mess... and you don't want a playthrough of a great game like Infinite to be a technical mess.

I use Adaptive VSync, so for me it goes from 60 to 40, and yeah, just as awful. The engine has some invisible loading walls that trigger the stuttering, and every time you walk through one, the shit happens. They're placed all over the levels, often in the middle of combat.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]So is this the third Bioshock Infinite bash thread the TC has made, or are there others I've missed?PannicAtack

there are others, in his main acc he also did like 3 or 4 and derailed others.

I'm not 100% sure but the couple of posts above where he basically is saying how his opinion is right and our opinions are wrong would have me believe the two may very well be tied together somehow.

Gaming "critics" have a big effect on peoples views on the industry wether you realize it or not. Their reviews are so blatantly paid off and driven by hype. Lets look at a couple of games that are very similar but due to hype one is regarded much higher than the other. These two games being Spec Ops: The LIne and Bioshock Infinite

 

Both have mediocre repetitive gamplay

Both focus on atmosphere and a fleshed out world

Both were praised for their challegning themes

Both noted for their story

Bioshock Infinite- 95 Metacitic and hailed as a game that trancseneds the medium and developers in teh future will look to this as a turning point for the medium

Spec Ops: The Line- 76 Metacritic and has almost no recognition

 

 

Why does one game get hailed as one of the best games ever made if a game that came out a year before and did every thing Infinite did and did them very well. Without even arguing too strongly about thequality of one of the other I wouldnt say one pulls away from the other in quality in any of the categorys I listed yet one is way higher regarded by everyone. Why is this? Its purely the greedy media who was payed off and hype. They influence consumers with this crap and it only hurts the industry.

_Judge_Gabranth

Don't type words you don't know how to spell please.  I also don't even know how you arrive at the conclusion that it "sets back the industry 10 years."  What does that even mean?  You write like a 12 year old and I really hope you are one because media hype/bias/whatever you want to call it doesn't set back anything.  It merely shapes public perception to those vulnerable to it's influence. 

Now if you stated developers are catering to consoles which is holding back the type of gaming experiences if they developed games with the PC in mind, then you would have a better point to argue.  As it stands, you just wrote one of the dumbest posts I have ever encountered.  Thank you. 

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

because infinite is actually a great game and altough spec ops deserved a bit more recognition is nowhere near.

_Judge_Gabranth

What makes Infinite better than Spec Ops?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

if it's in the engine, does it effect consoles as well?

Rocker6

Reports say it does, actually. However, if you lock the frame rate to 30 FPS or lower, the stuttering is far less apparent. But if you try to play the game at 60 FPS, it often drops down to 40 for a few seconds, causing the stuttering. There are lots of YT vids with FPS overlays showing the drops, look them up if interested.

Gamers have already done that by being stupid.

 It merely shapes public perception to those vulnerable to it's influence. 

Dave_NBF

Bingo

Now if you stated developers are catering to consoles which is holding back the type of gaming experiences if they developed games with the PC in mind, then you would have a better point to argue.  As it stands, you just wrote one of the dumbest posts I have ever encountered.  Thank you. Dave_NBF

Gaming would be dead without consoles

I agree with about everything you said OP accept I think Bioshock was still a better game by a good margain. Buioshock Infinite is not as good as the hype it got bit it still is a game I would rate in the high 80's.
Spec Ops deserves a high score as well but it still is a low 80's at best.
My problem is you said Infinte had repetitve gameplay. That isn't true. The fights are a bit boring after a while sure, but there are dozens of ways to take down down someone. Mix up your attacks if you get bored and don't use the same attacks over and over again.

Moar conspiracy theories plz

You want to know why people prefer Bioshock infinite over Spec Ops TC... it's because spec ops is a military shooter while Bioshock fits more in the fantasy relm. I don't care if the story is well written, I dislike millitary shooters and many many people do too. This right there is an automatic win for Bioshock Infinite.

Personally I though Bioshock Infinite was good, and yes, the gameplay of the first Bioshock is better than infinite, but I enjoyed infinites story more. Still resaulting in a good game. Now is the best ever... no it's not. But you shouldn't be suprised why tons of people like Bioshock Infinite more than Spec Ops.

You want to know why people prefer Bioshock infinite over Spec Ops TC... it's because spec ops is a military shooter while Bioshock fits more in the fantasy relm. I don't care if the story is well written, I dislike millitary shooters and many many people do too. This right there is an automatic win for Bioshock Infinite.

Personally I though Bioshock Infinite was good, and yes, the gameplay of the first Bioshock is better than infinite, but I enjoyed infinites story more. Still resaulting in a good game. Now is the best ever... no it's not. But you shouldn't be suprised why tons of people like Bioshock Infinite more than Spec Ops.

ryangcnx-2

Its not so much that people like Bioshock better than the fact people like it that much more. I feel they are very similar game yet one is treated like its gods gift to gaming

[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]

You want to know why people prefer Bioshock infinite over Spec Ops TC... it's because spec ops is a military shooter while Bioshock fits more in the fantasy relm. I don't care if the story is well written, I dislike millitary shooters and many many people do too. This right there is an automatic win for Bioshock Infinite.

Personally I though Bioshock Infinite was good, and yes, the gameplay of the first Bioshock is better than infinite, but I enjoyed infinites story more. Still resaulting in a good game. Now is the best ever... no it's not. But you shouldn't be suprised why tons of people like Bioshock Infinite more than Spec Ops.

_Judge_Gabranth

Its not so much that people like Bioshock better than the fact people like it that much more. I feel they are very similar game yet one is treated like its gods gift to gaming

and they are similar how...

[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]

You want to know why people prefer Bioshock infinite over Spec Ops TC... it's because spec ops is a military shooter while Bioshock fits more in the fantasy relm. I don't care if the story is well written, I dislike millitary shooters and many many people do too. This right there is an automatic win for Bioshock Infinite.

Personally I though Bioshock Infinite was good, and yes, the gameplay of the first Bioshock is better than infinite, but I enjoyed infinites story more. Still resaulting in a good game. Now is the best ever... no it's not. But you shouldn't be suprised why tons of people like Bioshock Infinite more than Spec Ops.

_Judge_Gabranth

Its not so much that people like Bioshock better than the fact people like it that much more. I feel they are very similar game yet one is treated like its gods gift to gaming

Yep,gaming journalism is a joke.They are all way too cosy with publishers so they can all get their exclusives.

What can be done..........nothing.Just take it all with a pinch of salt.

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]

You want to know why people prefer Bioshock infinite over Spec Ops TC... it's because spec ops is a military shooter while Bioshock fits more in the fantasy relm. I don't care if the story is well written, I dislike millitary shooters and many many people do too. This right there is an automatic win for Bioshock Infinite.

Personally I though Bioshock Infinite was good, and yes, the gameplay of the first Bioshock is better than infinite, but I enjoyed infinites story more. Still resaulting in a good game. Now is the best ever... no it's not. But you shouldn't be suprised why tons of people like Bioshock Infinite more than Spec Ops.

lostrib

Its not so much that people like Bioshock better than the fact people like it that much more. I feel they are very similar game yet one is treated like its gods gift to gaming

and they are similar how...

Story driven FPS games with mediocre gameplay and an emphisis on world building and atmosphere

:|

super600

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

 

Its not so much that people like Bioshock better than the fact people like it that much more. I feel they are very similar game yet one is treated like its gods gift to gaming

_Judge_Gabranth

and they are similar how...

Story driven FPS games with mediocre gameplay and an emphisis on world building and atmosphere

FPS games...did you even play Spec Ops?

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

and they are similar how...

lostrib

Story driven FPS games with mediocre gameplay and an emphisis on world building and atmosphere

FPS games...did you even play Spec Ops?

Shooters my bad

[QUOTE="super600"]

:|

parkurtommo

One could almost say the shock is just...

Infinte.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

 

Its not so much that people like Bioshock better than the fact people like it that much more. I feel they are very similar game yet one is treated like its gods gift to gaming

_Judge_Gabranth

and they are similar how...

Story driven FPS games with mediocre gameplay and an emphisis on world building and atmosphere

Except that one is a Fantasy game while the other is a Military/Army game. 2 completely different settings. 

For example, one of my favorite games this gen is Dragon Age Origins. Say they made, Spec Ops like Origins. Story Driven, a simlar RPG battle and leveling system but kept the whole military aspect of it and it's story. I would still be drawn way more to Dragon Age due to it's fantasy setting. 

I can't speak for all gamers as that is my opinion, but it's why I think Infinite is getting more attention.

There are people that exist who actually think Infinite had good gameplay.

Gamers have already done that by being stupid.

DarkLink77

Honestly I feel bad for a lot of my fellow gamers, specially the fanboys (who really aren't even gamers).

I just finsihed Spec Ops after I finished Infinite. I enjoyed Spec Ops a lot but I found I was just getting through the combat to get more of the story, but then I had the same experience with Infinite. Infinite was prettier, but the predictable plot could be seen a mile a way. Spec Ops had a moment that blew me away; if only it was a bit more polished. Both deserve a playthrough.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Gamers have already done that by being stupid.

Ballroompirate

Honestly I feel bad for a lot of my fellow gamers, specially the fanboys (who really aren't even gamers).

Why would you feel sorry for fanboys, exactly? I feel more sorry for myself and anyone else who has to intereact with fanboys.

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Gamers have already done that by being stupid.

DJ-Lafleur

Honestly I feel bad for a lot of my fellow gamers, specially the fanboys (who really aren't even gamers).

Why would you feel sorry for fanboys, exactly? I feel more sorry for myself and anyone else who has to intereact with fanboys.

Feel sorry for those people cause they actually think they are even gamers or the so called "master race", it's like ***** please. Being a gamer is about playing/enjoying games not trying to flex your internet epeen on how much you spent on a system.

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Honestly I feel bad for a lot of my fellow gamers, specially the fanboys (who really aren't even gamers).

Ballroompirate

Why would you feel sorry for fanboys, exactly? I feel more sorry for myself and anyone else who has to intereact with fanboys.

Feel sorry for those people cause they actually think they are even gamers or the so called "master race", it's like ***** please. Being a gamer is about playing/enjoying games not trying to flex your internet epeen on how much you spent on a system.

Well, if the fanboys play a decent amount of games on whatever system they have a hard-on for, then they are technically a gamer. They are just really stupid gamers.

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

and they are similar how...

ryangcnx-2

Story driven FPS games with mediocre gameplay and an emphisis on world building and atmosphere

Except that one is a Fantasy game while the other is a Military/Army game. 2 completely different settings. 

For example, one of my favorite games this gen is Dragon Age Origins. Say they made, Spec Ops like Origins. Story Driven, a simlar RPG battle and leveling system but kept the whole military aspect of it and it's story. I would still be drawn way more to Dragon Age due to it's fantasy setting. 

I can't speak for all gamers as that is my opinion, but it's why I think Infinite is getting more attention.

So your argument is fantasy is inherently better than non fantasy? Thats dumb

 

I am not saying Spec Ops should be called the greatest game ever cause Infinite is. The point is why is one rated so highly over another if they are so similar in what they do well and fail

_Judge_Gabranth

[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

 

Story driven FPS games with mediocre gameplay and an emphisis on world building and atmosphere

_Judge_Gabranth

Except that one is a Fantasy game while the other is a Military/Army game. 2 completely different settings. 

For example, one of my favorite games this gen is Dragon Age Origins. Say they made, Spec Ops like Origins. Story Driven, a simlar RPG battle and leveling system but kept the whole military aspect of it and it's story. I would still be drawn way more to Dragon Age due to it's fantasy setting. 

I can't speak for all gamers as that is my opinion, but it's why I think Infinite is getting more attention.

So your argument is fantasy is inherently better than non fantasy? Thats dumb

No it's not dumb, I hate anything Military like. It's an instant dislike for me if it has to do with Marines, Army, Navy and so forth. There are many other gamers out there who dislike the military setting too and possibly one of the many reasons why bioshock gets more attention. Fantasy and Sci-Fi are my thing, and instantly interest me way way more. 

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]

Except that one is a Fantasy game while the other is a Military/Army game. 2 completely different settings. 

For example, one of my favorite games this gen is Dragon Age Origins. Say they made, Spec Ops like Origins. Story Driven, a simlar RPG battle and leveling system but kept the whole military aspect of it and it's story. I would still be drawn way more to Dragon Age due to it's fantasy setting. 

I can't speak for all gamers as that is my opinion, but it's why I think Infinite is getting more attention.

ryangcnx-2

So your argument is fantasy is inherently better than non fantasy? Thats dumb

No it's not dumb, I hate anything Military like. It's an instant dislike for me if it has to do with Marines, Army, Navy and so forth. There are many other gamers out there who dislike the military setting too and possibly one of the many reasons why bioshock gets more attention. Fantasy and Sci-Fi are my thing, and instantly interest me way way more. 

This is probably the worst argument I have ever heard. I think you are indicative of the average Bioshock fans intelligence

[QUOTE="_Judge_Gabranth"]

 

I am not saying Spec Ops should be called the greatest game ever cause Infinite is. The point is why is one rated so highly over another if they are so similar in what they do well and fail

AdrianWerner

But that much better?